I would never spend more than 300$ on a gpu. You just throw your money away If a game can't be played on a 300$ gpu, then it's not worth playing Imo, you should try and build a PC for the same price as a console, otherwise you're just blowing money I'm rocking a 1060 6gb and r5 2600 with 16gb ram. Max power system draw... 250watt!! You can build this for under 300$
@@Sofi-gz9uo LOL Consoles have been sold at a loss since the NES. Right now you can pay $600 for a console and get more than $800 worth of hardware. Do you mean to build a PC based on the price you'd pay or the actual price it costs the manufacturer to build it? The latter would be around a grand at launch, and then a few million units later it's about equal to the MSRP. For $1000 USD you can build a very capable PC, $600 is going to be tough to get more than medium settings at 120 FPS in new titles.
You never needed his help, you just had to watch the Verge's How to Build a PC video. If you can screw with confidence, you can screw just about anything! (humor)
F that. The range is 1-9, 1-3 is low end, 4-6 is mid range, and 7-9 is high end. 3050 is mid, 4070 Super is high end. That is what the 50 and 70 stand for.
Clams, eh? I'll have to find a monetary vendor to see the what the exchange rate from smackaronies to clams is. I have 75 smakaronies, and an odd button, but I don't think that would be enough...
@@marvinmallette6795That's not even close to how it works. Nvidia almost never goes below 5, so 5 is entry level for their product stack. The 40 series doesn't even have a 5, so that makes 6 "budget", 7 "mainstream", 8 "enthusiast", and 9 rich parents.
In 2018 a midrange card would cost you maybe $250-$300 and budget cards like the RX 480 4GB were at $110. Now midrange which should be the 4060-4070 cards are priced way too high for what they are. Needless to say I decided on a 4090 as the best value for what I do so that's what I got. Granted $2K is a hell of a lot to spend on a graphics card just to game and do some light content creation but the plus side is you don't have to waste weeks of time every year messing with game settings trying to squeeze out some more performance.
@@drunkhusband6257 Man my time frame was off by a few years. Where did all the time go :( It felt like just yesterday when I paid $700 for a used 1080ti at the height of the mining craze.
You can always buy last gen used, and you can save a lot. Both my current and previous GPUs were used, and they've been fine. Hell, I even resold the GPU for like 10% of what I paid (RIP). Sold off my old CPU too for like 25% of the price, and I was glad to give it a new home.
@@Brent_P It's a US thing. Here in Europe now is a great time to build. Intel Gen 14's are cheaper than Gen 13, and GPU's are at or below MSRP. Hate to say this, but you guys are doing it to yourselves. You buy despite the retailers raising the prices.
Love to see you still teaching people how to build computers. I remember your 1st gen i7 build for Newegg TV way back in the day, soon followed by the double build video with the 2nd gen i7 and i5 PCs. I think a retro retake of those videos would be really fun.
What a shame that the bottom end of the budget is above the cost of a console. When I got into PC mid range was $500 and it absolutely crushed console performance.
I mean Sony and Microsoft both lose money on their consoles. They make it back with the yearly subscription you need to play online and the fact that console games are usually 20-40% more expensive than pc. My brother and me did the math over 3 years and found a midranges custom pc setup (includes monitor, keyboard, mouse and headphones) breaks even with a ps5 or the newest Xbox. People forget to factor in the cost of their tv, their entertainment center, couch/chair, and most people buy decent gaming headset and accessories like a spare controller and the dual controller charger. Don’t get me wrong I am never for “pc master race” and have a gaming pc, a switch, and a ps5 and so does my wife and we love gaming across the board BUT we are starting to get annoyed at paying about 140 usd a year for us to both play our ps5s together.
Yeah $500 isn't mid range, even back 7 to 8 years ago, a mid range GPU such as the 2070 super cost me $450, so my overall system was probably in the $700-$800 range for a mid range build.....
Paul. I have been a sub since 2016. I have commented on your videos several times. I wanted you to know that your PC builds have been informative and entertaining. I have learned a lot from your videos. Good luck and keep up the good work.
I bought a new pc specifically because spending almost $1000 on a console paid for most of the computer and I can upgrade it down the road for less than replacing a console. PLUS now you have to install content on consoles, Online requirements, lack of game ownership BS, mod limitations... Plus the PC is more utilitarian for work an content.
I typed my comment before watching the video, this is the build that I have literally just completed in the last couple of days (just need a keyboard and a monitor to get me gaming on it) Ryzen 5 7600 - £189.98 ASRock B650m Pro RS (non WiFi) - £134.99 Corsair Vengeance 32Gb DDR5 6000Mts at CL30 - £114.98 Stock cooler for now GPU: Sapphire Pulse 7800XT - £479.99 Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 512Gb (for now) - £43.99 Case: Chillblast (Gamemax) Fnatic Commando - £19.99 Power Supply: Corsair CX750 non modular 80Plus Bronze - £69.98 Fans: 6 EZDIY ARGB fans from Amazon (the case had a single fan) - £46.99
@@aeroflopper Not needed at all. Gaming will almost never put a full load on your cpu and they're designed to handle that for many many years. This CPU won't get that hot given its low power requirement.
@musicforlifemc1006 while gaming my cpu is only around 5% utilised but still gets up to 60'C a stock cooler on my cpu will thermol throttle and thats not good at all.
This is the Gaming PC that i am planning to build for a friend: CPU: Ryzen 7 7700 (i know it's a bit overkill, but with this he can also upgrade his GPU in the future) CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 Digital (cheaper than zero dark in my country) Motherboard: MSI B650 Gaming Plus WiFi RAM: Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan 32 GB DDR5-6000 CL38 SSD: Kingston NV2 1 TB SSD: Random 2 TB HDD SSD: Random 512GB NVMe GPU: Gigabyte 7800 XT Gaming OC Case: Montech AIR 903 BASE black Power Supply: be quiet! pure power 11 700W Cable Extensions: Cablemod classic modmesh 8+8 black
Nice one. If your friend plays several new and old games, now he can decide where to install it. Old ones usually will be fine on the HDD! With that he can save space on the SSD and Nvme drives. And also, you never want to fill up an SSD or Nvme more than around 66%! It might cause performance issues filling up more than that. But better check a knowledge base for why is that. Needless to say, having a HDD in a today's build is not shameful at all. Trustworthy drives for casual data storage. Good luck for your friend with that build. His upgrade path would be first the SSD and Nvme drives to upgrade to 2 TB ones on both! The HDD will be just fine. Have fun boys.
Nice. What about the rest? Does he/she already have the monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse, mousepad, headset, gamepad, and webcam? Those will easily double the budget.
I think that's pretty reasonable for all new parts. I watched a video on another channel that tried to do a $550 build and ended up with something that wasn't too bad until the pulled out a 6500 XT. Worse yet, they were putting it in an A530 with a Gen3 slot. Had they spent $50 more, they could have had an RX 6600.
@@b0n3ZzZGR I'm not seeing a low profile option, and just like the 3050 6GB, it makes not sense to buy a full height model at that price when you can buy a full fat RX 6600 for $10 more.
I remember when decent midrange pc used to be $500-$700 😢 crazy that todays midrange price range used to be the price you would pay for a high end setup just years ago
i remember times that courrent pricves looks like free. Fuck me buying 1gb drive for like 200 euro or monitors STARTING from 400. Shits cheap even now so dont moan.
Building my first PC, here's my plan for 1440p gaming: CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Cooler: Deepcool AK500 ZERO DARK Motherboard: MSI MAG B650M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL32 Storage: Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 GPU: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB (Also considering the 7800 XT but I feel nostalgic for Nvidia, the GPU of my childhood lol) Case: Asus Prime AP201 Power: Corsair RM850x
having just completed a build: know your build from case to components, make sure as much as you can that they jive. Stay away from anything largely in terms of cpu air cooling unless it's noctua. If you don't have a specialized pc warehouse nearby you're likely going to have to order online for storage devices and memory. Oh, and even in a mid-pc look for cases with ample room for the power supply unit for cable traffic. It' will get congested, especially if you are gonna run a mid to mid-high gpu.
Thx for the update Paul. Did you guys ever find out why Joe's SFF travel editing pc had issues on your trip? That might make for an interesting video, the troubleshooting, and fixing.
If you're within driving distance (I consider that about an hour) of a MicroCenter, they have a bundle deal with the 7800x3d, 32gb 6000mhz 32cl Gskill ram, and a well equipped Gigabyte mobo for $470. It's an incredible deal and I just recently purchased it.
Before the 2070... Lol I will admit prices have been steadily rising and people are never gonna be happy as long as they remember the times when the prices stayed the same but the performance went up@@drunkhusband6257
This is the video editing PC that i am planning to build for myself: CPU: Ryzen 5 7500F CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK400 DIGITAL WH Motherboard: Asrock A620M-HDV/M.2 (or cheapest matx AM5) RAM: Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan 32 GB DDR5-6000 CL38 SSD: Kingston NV2 1 TB GPU: Asrock Challenger Arc A580 OC Case: Deepcool CH370 WH PSU: be quiet! System Power 10 450W Fans: 2x Arctic P12 PWM PST Cable Extensions: Cablemod classic modmesh 8+8 white
That'll be $5,000 outside of the US, Canada especially. It's crazy that manufacturers have just abandoned the 80% of buyers to chase benchmark charts, especially those outside of the US. It's a sad state of affairs.
This is the ITX Gaming PC that i am planning to build for a friend: CPU: Ryzen 7 7700 (i know it's a bit overkill, but with this he can also upgrade his GPU in the future) CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT520 Motherboard: Asrock A620I Lightning WiFi (or cheapest ITX AM5 motherboard) RAM: Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan 32 GB DDR5-6000 CL38 SSD: Kingston NV2 2 TB (cheapest PCIe 4.0 2TB NVME) GPU: Asrock Challenger RX 7800 XT OC (cheapest 7800 xt) Case: Cooler Master NR200P (Black) Power Supply: FSP Dagger Pro 650W
That feel when that GPU is still relevant now basically, and worse still it's AMD that's keeping it more relevant because the one and only damn reason I'd accept upscaling is because if I wanted to play newer games on my pos laptop but only FSR works, if I had a RTX GPU I'd have enough power that I didn't need the upscaling to begin with. DLSS is so fing stupid I swear to God. And all the GPUs are getting so much worse these days but at the same time other than Hairworks or RT or whatever the games aren't necessarily so super better looking now except for textures, the texturework is indeed beautiful now in a way mid 2010s games are not (they did look pretty rough tbh mid 2010s was like late 2000s textures even on Deus Ex HR) but other than needing more VRAM it just seems to me that you'd only need a brand new GPU for going to 4k or high refresh 1440p. I can still get away with low tier GPUs at 1080p. Even Far Cry 5 is playable on 750ti tier hardware.
@@buckstrucks4476 Oh no it'd literally be worse, I know this because the alleged RTX 3050 in laptop is around a GTX 980ti at best, which the GTX 980 roughly equals the RX 580 or 1060, which roughly equals the 1650 Super or 5500XT. It's at least in that range, I think the 5600XT was loosely like a 1660ti or 2060, the 5700XT was at least a 2070 if not on the same level as a 2070S or 1080ti. So for a 2050 mobile to be even at 1060 performance would be impressive, I highly doubt it's anywhere like that. Man. Imagine basically spending $1200 in 2022 to basically just a GTX 980ti. You can buy that GPU for like $100 right now.
How so? It is all about needs. It might be overlooked if your only plan is for gaming. I have to balance a bunch of less than ideal things. Gaming, color accuracy, 4k resolution (32") and mid tier gpu. It isn't ideal in many respects, but the compromises I was ok with.
@@alpsalish The best GPU on the market is not going to magically give you 1440 x 2160 144hz or 3840 x 2160 120hz if it only supports 1080p 60hz, the quality of GPU you buy should match what your willing to spend on your display, I run a 7800X3D with a 7900XT on a 55" LG C1 OLED, at 3840 x 2160 120hz HDMI 2.1 Freesync Premium with SAM enabled, its magnificent! I started my build with my display and worked up to its full capabilities with my GPU as my budget got healthier.
Monitor prices have come down tremendously in the past few years. Sure you can spend a few thousand for a 4k OLED, but you can also find decent enough 1440p/4k monitors for a couple hundred dollars. I just bought a 32" LG Ultragear 165hz 1440p monitor for $200. The days of having to spend big bucks for higher resolution, high refresh rate monitors are long past. There is a lot of value to be had in mid range monitors. And I just bought a 55" 4k TV for $200. Neither are the nicest panels by any stretch but they still look very nice and left a lot of money left over for other things.
Micro center has bundles for CPU/MB/RAM. Yesterday I got a AMD 7800X3D, B650, and 32GB G skill DDR5 6000 (the ram in your video actually) bundle for $470. Matched it with a ASUS TUF 7800Xt with OC, 2TB WD Black NVME gen 4. G skill 750w 80+ gold. And a deep cool LS720 liquid cooler. Two additional 140mm fans. Bought a used case off a friend for $50. My full build cost $1450 with tax.
You can easily. The key is with their software solutions like dlss 3 and FSR frame gen. If you want all settings maxed, with path tracing, then it gets a bit more complicated.
Thanks Paul! I needed the update. Things seem to be moving fast this year and I don't get many breaks. Looking decent so far! 🎉 Let's keep it going. 🍺 Cheers.
BTW, Micro Center has lowered its 5800X3D/B550M/DDR4 3200 RAM bundle from $349 to $299 with even a $269 price if signing up for their credit card so, that and either an RX 6800 or 7800 XT GPU would give you a Mid to High range performance rig but, at more of a low range price :)
I will say the recommendation about the rx 6800 xt is decent. Picked one up on sale last year for 439 and it’s about the equal of the 7800xt. No regrets for the money.
This is literally the BEST video on the subject right now. Right to the point , interesting , and you talk fast so I really like that. Also you’re an expert on the subject. Respect from Switzerland bro 😊
I have a unique build list because it is all parts that I acquired for very cheap prices (some were damaged, returned items, auctions, ect). I was able to scrap together a mid range AM4 platform and now I'm working on an AM5 build. I have been trying to find the best gpu to pair with this system as that is one thing I cant get very often with my methods. Any advice on this matter would be appreciated! The AM4 build is as follows: Component: I paid: Original Price (+7% tax): Asus TUF B550m $62.75 $211.53 AMD Ryzen 5 5600x $109.23 $168.48 T-force TUF 32GB DDR4 RAM $46.76 $80.25 Enermax Liquimax 3 AIO $23.38 $85.64 NO GPU YET Be quiet! Pure Bass 500 DX case $22.90 $106.90 Samsung 870 EVO 500gb SSD $28.30 $42.80 Thermaltake 600w PSU $64.20 $64.20 Total: $357.52 $759.75 Total Discount: 53% Off.
Every PC I had to buy/build is because of the CPU! I am 57 years old started with 486k then P-III, 3200+ Sempron. My advice is: GET THE BEST CPU YOU CAN AFFORD, and build around that. The more cores, threads, L3 cache with the highest cycle rate (GHz) the better, unless you like buying a new processor every other or few years. My first build was an FX-8350 that ran over 10 years, still working, just now ran into high end games It can't run (got me pass not having to buy AM4). Now I got a 7950X that should carry for another 10 years.
@@godmode4708 you don't have to follow my advice, go ahead and buy core components or a new PC every 2 years. you also sound like the kind of guy that would put a 4090 RTX on a quad core.
@@TigerGreene I just bought a 32" LG Ultragear 165hz 1440p monitor for $200 brand new. Sure you could spend thousands on a 4k OLED, but there is now some value to be had in gaming monitors. Its by no means the nicest monitor available, but looks nice and saves money, two things I have no problem with.
@@stephenhood2948It's probably low quality for that price. And you must have gotten it on huge discount. Or the prices have plummeted. There were almost no 1440p high refresh monitors at that price in 2019 when I got mine. Mine was $500 then.
$600 for a GPU for a mid-range build? Whew. I'd have cut that down to a 7700XT. Couple hundred bucks saved there. Same VRAM. Definitely a more balanced choice with the 7600 CPU. 4070 Super seems overkill, and too little VRAM for the price.
Putting together a new home server: * Intel i5 12600k (will under volt, possibly under clock) * ASUS Pro W680 ACE * 32 GB NEMIX DDR5 4800MHz ECC (2x16GB UDIMMS) * Noctua NH-U12A * Noctua NF-A14 * Crucial P3 Plus 1TB x2 (RAID 1, for the OS) * Seasonic PRIME PX-750 * Fractal Design Define 7 * LG Bluray burner (WH16NS60) * WD Red Pro 4 TB x8 (RAID 10, for the ZFS pool) At some point I may add a discrete graphics card (possibly Intel Arc) to play with acceleration.
Then why don't you just buy a 12600 non k model. Undervolting is never good despite what people say, it creates both stability issues and damages the cpu long term.
If you're doing a server, why not use a motherboard with embedded Epyc processor? Much more suited and cheaper. Also instead of running eight 4tb WD Red drives, run four Seagate Exos 7E10's. More capacity, better drives and cheaper.
@@drunkhusband6257 Messing with volts and clock speed on a server is dumb. Just leave well enough alone, and as you said, use a non-K. Under volting and under clocking can also cause a bunch of stability issues.
@@drunkhusband6257 I chose the K model because you can't change clocks/voltages on a non-K model for starters... To be clear, undervolting does _not_ in any way shape or form damage the CPU - think about how that works. Overvolting is another story. Yes you can run into stability issues, that is why you test your configuration before you deploy.
@@AB-80X I looked at embedded Epyc but availability was an issue in my area. Regarding the disks, I'm not buying new, I am repurposing some old disks I already own. I have found 4 spindles to be a challenge for some of the I/O I want to do - I don't want to shell out for something crazy like PCIe flash.
@@AtomicAJ74 Finally recently replaced my GTX 1080. That GPU just did not want to go. The Pascal gen of GPUs were absolute unicorns. There will never be a generational leap like we saw with Pascal. I wanted to move up in resolution or else Id still be using the 1080. Im gonna pass the old PC down to my friends children, its still very capable of running Fortnite and Roblox very well.
@@stephenhood2948 I listed my GTX 1070 since I have no need for it, but it’s a shame to give it up. And the price I see these cards going for in the used market seems way lower than their value. I listed mine at $120 and so far I have no bites.
Instead of buying a midrange for 1500$, go look for top end second hand full system deals. Bought a system with a 13900k and 4090 for 2600$. Will sell my old rig + extra ssd's I don't need for about 800-900 which will get the net cost to 1500-1600$. If I wanted an upgrade for my old r5 3600 and 5700xt I would have still paid around to 1600-1800$ for a new 13900k, mobo ram and 7900 xtx while my old components would be either unsellable or hard to sell. Best kind of deal you can get is replacing a sellable low/midrange system for a second hand top end system.
A brand new build might be labeled mid-range, but compared to what most people in the world are using right now, it is probably a high-end build. Just take a look at the steam stats to see what GPU people are using and that notion is backed up. So don't feel bad about your new build!
Entire Mid-Range PC: $1000-1500 RTX 4090: $1800 I love my 4090, but when I bought my computer last month, even though I specifically saved up for over a year just to be able to buy a really nice gaming PC that I would not have to upgrade for a good while (HP Omen 45L 13900K/4090 config,) I still cried just a little at the amount of money I spent. 🤣 😂😭😭 (But my God is this machine a BEAST tho! And this is literally the first gaming desktop I've ever owned; it was only consoles and a Steam Deck before this.)
Paul, I'm a fan from many years, but I think your first analysis is wrong. Core components are: CPU, Motherboard and Power Supply. The main thing would be the power supply, this actually guarantees the longevity of your system since the power supply has to be the most reliable component. and Secondly, changing Power Supply or Motherboard would normally require a "rebuild" (at least a rewire) and the CPU (also the MoBo) pretty much set the capacities needed/achievable for RAM, GPU and other add-ons/peripherals. For those reasons, these are the 3 more critical components.
You can also look to spread out the cost by acquiring parts over time, especially parts that can be tested independently if needed. I am doing this for mini itx build for my son to take to college with him this fall.
Easy. Erying cpu/mobo/ram combo. Used 6700xt. 1tb nvme. 500w psu. Cheap matx case. 3-120mm fans. Done. Mid range under 500usd. Or used dell precision with i7 9700 and a used gpu you'd want. Can cheap out on gpu with an aliexpress 6600m for 200usd. Decent 1080p card.
I realized last night, I’ve been living my PC life the wrong way. Because my new condo is super small, I haven’t had a proper desk to build a PC with a high resolution. So I’ve been gaming on 1080p. Not sure why I’ve been buying top end components, when I should be building systems geared for 1080. Also I can start building SFF.
I recently got a brand new EVGA 2080super XC ULTRA for $260, which was a great deal. Picked it up from a friend who never bothered to use it and decided to sell, though sucks the Warranty is long gone for it.
remember that the tower isnt the full story, I tried to compile everything there is in a PC build as I possibly could, here are the 20 parts of a full gaming setup The Tower: CPU - $XXX CPU Cooler - $XXX Memory - $XXX Motherboard - $XXX GPU - $XXX Case - $XXX Storage - $XXX Power Supply - $XXX The Core Peripherals: Monitor - $XXX Mouse - $XXX Keyboard - $XXX The Extra Peripherals: Chair - $XXX Desk - $XXX Speakers - $XXX Mousepad - $XXX Webcam - $XXX The Miscellaneous: Windows Key - $XXX Wifi Antenna - $XXX Install USB - $XXX Screwdriver - $XXX Case Fans - $XXX Total: $XXXX I probably forgot some things so who knows, but I think this is it. This doesn't even include shipping costs by the way so this implies you're able to get all of the parts in store like at microcenter
Built a Mini Itx system for my GF at the begining of the year. Niether of us play crazy modern ganes and we both use 1080p so i got away pretty cheap at $400. A big saving was using my old 1080ti, but the old card still creaks along for her.
Paul, I have been watching your videos since your Newegg Days. I am glad that you have moved onward and upward since you left there. I am currently running a 3900X/RX5700XT combo on an ASUS X570 TUF WIFI motherboard. I do a lot transcoding work. I plan to upgrade in 2 years and I believe that my PC will hang in there for that long. I assembled it 5 years ago and I have replaced the motherboard and the 😮 RAM . The ASUS Prime mobo ran for a year before I tossed it because I couldn't wait for a turnaround . I am thinking of switching to the nearest equivalent of the ASRock B650 Taichi Lite if AM 6 doesn't land in 2025!
Hey Paul, and anyone reading. I appreciate your channel and totally rate you! My perspective is, however, from a poor guy, buying and playing not in the US. I have been building my own PC's since 2003. I mostly built AMD at that time because of the CPU upgrade options I remember spending 50$ on a CPU and 50$ on a gpu. 30$ on a motherboard and 20$ on ram Then the Intel domination era, until ryzen Atm, I only buy second hand, with some exceptions. Atm, the PC market is a ripoff! I would never spend more than 300$ on a gpu. You just throw your money away If a game can't be played on a 300$ gpu, then it's not worth playing Imo, you should try and build a PC for the same price as a console, otherwise you're just blowing money I'm rocking a 1060 6gb and r5 2600 with 16gb ram. Max power system draw... 250watt!! You can build this for 300$
Here's my planned build: CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L12S 55.44 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: ASRock B650E PG-ITX WIFI Mini ITX AM5 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card Case: Fractal Design Ridge PCIe 4.0 Mini ITX Tower Case Power Supply: Corsair SF750 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply Case Fan: Noctua A4x20 PWM 5.53 CFM 40 mm Fan Case Fan: Noctua A4x20 PWM 5.53 CFM 40 mm Fan Case Fan: Noctua A4x20 PWM 5.53 CFM 40 mm Fan Case Fan: Noctua NF-A6x25-PWM 17.19 CFM 60 mm Fan Case Accessory: Fractal Ridge 60mm Fan Bracket Case Accessory: Fractal Ridge GPU Anti Sag Support Case Accessory: Fractal Design Ridge Side Panel Fan Bracket
Just got the 7600 @ $199. I literally kept refreshing my Amazon window over a 20 minute period and the lowest price bounced between $240 and $199. It's so odd. At one point the 7600X was cheaper than the non X.
What about the peripherals? And the operating system? At the bare minimum: a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, plus a copy of Windows (most gamers won't be on Linux). You literally can't use it without them. You can't hear without speakers or a headset. Add in a gamepad, charging dock for it, and webcam, (optional but very common) and the budget has just skyrocketed an extra $800 - plus tax. For mid-range gear. Many viewers are new to building a PC and not already have everything they need. Obviously, this oversight is obviously not unique to this channel. Every video, article, or PC ad from the past 50 years quotes the price of the PC alone, with none of the peripherals you need to budget in, to get up and running. But it's something I believe should at least be mentioned briefly - with example prices - so viewers can plan a realistic budget.
Paul, I love that you do these but I would love to see a "content creator" or whatever you want to call it. There are ton of new people that are getting into streaming and such and I think it would help them a lot. Even those that are tech savvy could also benefit from this. Same format video but just add content creators or replace gaming with it.
"mid-range" with a B-whatever-fifty that is PCIe v4 only, just feels disappointing in a way. I recall when A-whatever was reserved for OEM office cubical dumbterminals incapable of doing more than notepad tasks, B-whatever was super small reduced to the minimum connectivity ITX like things and super low end ATX boards (4 or less USB plugs, 2 or less fan headers, single hard drive connector, etc), Then there was X-whatever for mid-range and up to the boundary of Threadripper workstations. And "they say" prices are going back to normal, remember when a 70-tier GPU cost 380usd, lol. 1300 bucks with a brand new CPU and it don't have PCIe v5.0 is so much of a let down, makes keeping the AM4 system more tempting if you already have one. I'm sorry Paul, I appreciate the list, it's just the sticker price is ouch for what you get.
Back at the end of November I went with a 7700X and a 7800 XT, and I've been super happy with it. MicroCenter had a really solid deal on the 7700X with a motherboard and RAM bundled for 400, otherwise I was planning on the 7600 or 7700 myself. I am surprised you're suggesting sticking with the Wraith Stealth on the 7600 though. When I built my 2600X build I stuck with the stock cooler at the time given what reviews said, and I never felt like it was adequate -- I wound up locking my cores to stock speed to keep things at what I felt was a reasonable temp and noise range. Kinda disappointed me.
Nice episode and so so so timely. I just got Enshrouded off Steam and my system crashes all the time when I try playing. I decided this is a good time to get a new system. The bad news 😢, I need to wait a few months to save up the cash. Hopefully, the Radion RX 7800 XT and the Ryzen 5 7600X I have my eye on will go down in price by June.😊
Let's see, compare to just before the pandemic: Ram and SSD cost are not bad, actually could be cheaper but the cost of motherboard, coolers are abhorrent. GPU prices. nuff said. Just stupid when a gpu alone cost more than a PS5. It's very interesting that both AMD and Intel maintain high CPU prices now. AMD only comes out ahead because of their cheaper Mobo. In 2018, 2019, 2020 it was not hard to find Z series mobo that cost less than $200, $150 even. And non-OC mobo were just $100 with good features. $120 if you add wifi. Now even the stupid AMD mobo cost so much.
I want to upgrade Hopefully this could be part of the #build fix My current build very entry level back then: CPU: i3-12100f GPU: Rx 6700(non xt) Motherboard: B760m ds3h AX DDR4 Storage: WD SN570 1tb Power Supply: Thermaltake smart BM2 550w 80+ bronze FANS: ID-Cooling XF- 12025 ARGB- Trio 120mm Case: Deepcool Matrix 40 PC build I want to upgrade to: CPU: Ryzen 5 7600x GPU: 4070 super Motherboard: B650m ds3h DDR5 Storage: Same as previous build but might add another 2TB Power supply: Thermaltake smart BX1 750w bronze Fans: They come with the new case I want Case: MONTECH King 95 PRO Dual chamber ATX Mid Tower.
Haven't been getting your videos in my feed. Funny enough I saw you last week at where I work. You were with your family I wasn't going to bother you. I hope you guys enjoyed your breakfast? And you guys had a fun trip? Started too watch your channel again after a huge life change that took me to the town I'm in now.
If your concern is money, I would go for an air cooler, save 50$ there, and go for a cheaper mainboard in the 120 - 150$ range. Use the saved money to get a better gpu.
@@dashawnsantiago660 No, what GPU you need, depends on your target resolution and FPS. For 1080p 120/144 the 6700XT is more than adequate. In that case, save your money for something else. The mainboard you selected is solid choice, I have it too. If money is not a problem and you want a gaming pc, I went for the 7800X3D. That cpu will get you a long way. The AIO should be able to handle that heat-load too. Normally the cpu will stay far longer in a build than the gpu, as cpu performance advancements between generations are quite small.
Hi Paul! Been following your channel since my son recommended it to help in my first ever pc build. I’m 61 and am going out on a limb with this build 😉. I’m doing budget and have already selected my cpu, motherboard and GPU. I need help with a case. I don’t want lights but want good cooling, preferably with fans supplied, but layout and easy to build with are key. Thanks for my help. I’m Canadian btw 👍
My PC is in this picture and I like it. Eerily enough even down to the GF3 PSU (although I went with the 850w). I saved a bit keeping old SSDs and the case from my last rig.
Patient gamer here. A used 4070 for around 250$ will be in my build in 2027. No way I am chasing this nonsense wrt the price of the latest. Let the fomo chumps take the high price hit.
Hi Paul, I have to say what a wonderful inspiration you have been. I have followed your build guides and recommendations which have taught me so much. I love your speech delivery and easy style that you have and as a "teacher" there are none better on RU-vid. I am now confident of PC building myself. Thank you so much from a big fan in the UK. p.s. STOP STEALING OUR BEER MUGS!!!!...LOL JK.
Great stuff as always Paul. In addition to your new Build/Fix series, I think it would be cool to do a "Upgrade" series. I scan over the forums on reddit, etc. and I see a ton of questions from folks asking about "I have this mobo/cpu/ram/gpu" combo, it runs fine but I'm thinking about upgrading it. Which part would give my system the best bang for the buck upgrade? And there's almost never a consistent answer for the person so it turns into the usual reddit back and forth.
That's not mid-range. That's a low-range piece of garbage PC. It makes me sad and angry that this is the reality of PC building today. Everything is driven by corporate greed and the people are stupid enough to pay those prices. Not realizing that the power is with the consumer. Everything could change for the better if people would just boycott all these trash companies' products.
@@lucasremnope I’m not since I live in Switzerland and have a very high income compared to the rest of Europe and world! 5 digits a month yet there are many who refuse to pay for tech that used to be by faaaar cheaper for mid range rig! by the way I have a 78003xd 4070ti Super 48gb 8000mhz ram and 3x4tb 990pro All of that on a Rog x670e gene cost me around 3000 bucks!😅 And I did spend another 2k for desk chair soundsytem so on and forth… 4K is useless even a 4090 does bottleneck it dsnt make any sense to spend 2k for a gpu that won’t do 4K properly on ultra settings!
Feels good to have recommended basically this exact build to three friends in the past week. One very fun money-saving note though for people in the US, Microcenter has some FANTASTIC CPU + mobo + RAM combos right now. Two of the three friends were able to get a 7800X3D combo for only $450, which is of course LESS than a 7600 combo without the deal. There are cheaper Ryzen 7000 combos available too.
I bought 7800x3d with cheapest asrock m/b. I paid less at the time, but now the price is 490 $ at newegg for the combo. And there is 17$ cooler there. It's 100$ more expensive, and You can't overclock it (probably, I am not gonna try) and I don't have wifi on my PC (wired network). But my combo makes more sense for me. I really think 7800x3d is the only amd cpu worth considering.
If you're within driving distance (I consider that about an hour) of a MicroCenter, they have a bundle deal with the 7800x3d, 32gb 6000mhz 32cl Gskill ram, and a well equipped Gigabyte mobo for $470. It's an incredible deal and I just recently purchased it.
“Comparison is the thief of joy” - Teddy Roosevelt I reckon almost everyone would be happy with a 1080p 144hz gaming PC. That kind of PC is literally budget these days. Most people are only disappointed with the prices because the goalposts have been moved, not because they aren’t happy with their PCs
Goal post should definitely move. That’s how pc gaming has always been. Look at all the advancement in monitors in the last year. We should get graphics cards that have higher vram and can handle higher resolutions for similar price tiers to the last gen. However because of Inflation, Covid, and machine learning the pc building market took a huge hit. Personally, I have a need for midrange cards in terms of cores and frequency with a higher amount of vram like 20-24gb. The only options I have now are the 4090 which is bonkers expensive or a used 3090. So for me it’s going to be a 3090 or 3090ti for a build soon. That puts me at about 1500-1700 price range for last gen parts. I build a pc 6 years ago with all new parts and the most recent gen components for less than 1800.
@@jamesnorona1345 I get that, but imo once you go above 1080p on a monitor is not that different imo. I've played in 1440p for a year + and it is better without a doubt, but fundamental things like 60+ hz and system responsivness are far more fundamental than resolution. I guarantee if most people wanted to have fun playing games, they enjoy them almost identically with the fundamentals covered. Subtle improvements like 4k and raytracking are more immersive, but they wont stop you from enjoying the game. My point is playing cyberpunk at 1080p 90fps vs 4k 90fps ray tracing will look noticeably better, but youll still enjoy the game similarly. Is the 3/4x price worth it for most? Probably not.
If I was recommending a budget build it would be something like a i7 8700 which is a 6 core cpu that has the best value for the cost over any cpu on the market and then a 2080. You can build a great pc for around $600. There's not a single game you couldn't play on medium to high settings at 1080p. All these channels only recommend new components because companies don't make any money when you buy older stuff from someone else.
This is what I keep saying but a 2080 is a weird choice tbh. I'd need to see the price comparison, I think 5700XT used and 1080ti used also offer really compelling prices next to a 2080, or a RX 6600XT if you wanted newer, or you can go older and get a $100 GTX 980ti or even a $80 RX 580 8gb and play most stuff at 1080p. I can't remember, DLSS 3 at least was useable on older hardware right? Because the only thing is upscaling and I can use FSR on a 580 or 980ti or 1060. But you really don't need it, and a used CPU, actually it's too old now imo but like there's $100 z77 board with a 3770 and cooler and RAM I've seen floating on ebay. You can play games with a couple hundred dollars, and with $600 you can play new games at high detail levels at 1080p.
@@drek9k2 yeah i'm biased in favor of nvidia evga cards that's why I said 2080. my point is people don't realize when you get up into the latest gen in CPU's or gpu's you're paying twice or three times as much for like 30% better performance. and most people wouldn't notice the differences anyway in the majority of applications. especially at 1080p like you were saying.
