I think if this could be regulated correctly this would be the safest and best choice. Actual pain management and infection management for healing. Insurance if something goes wrong. Appropriate monitoring during the procedure. It would be a huge step for safety.
@@Lynn_Loheide Not saying its the best way doing it, just that there are some trained plastic surgons that do in fact offer what she wished for. The video in question is 7 years old, so im sure they have more modern equipment by now. I believe the channel was named Rosie C, video has been uploaded on multiple channels in later years, so not sure on who is the original owner
Absolutely. I think it would also ensure that only people who are completely committed are obtaining the procedures due to cost alone. Might help reduce mod regret especially for younger people.
I actually tried to find a plastic surgeon for my tongue split. I found one but she was wayyy more sketchy and seems very ill informed about body modification so I turned to a body mod artist. I’m really happy you brought up how most surgeons see these procedures as mutilation. It’s very disappointing and I hope to see it change
as a travelling tattoo artist, and someone who’s recently gotten my tongue split i definitely agree with you on this. i cannot tell you how many people i have seen been botched (unfortunately myself included) as soon as they got up from the table no matter the extensive amount of research they had done. i know i had looked up SO MANY articles, instagram posts, and even word of mouth of so many people and still got the short end of the stick. i feel like there is absolutely nothing to fully prepare someone for a heavy mod like this (as far as personal pain level and healing) but there’s even less information on the risks of it all. as someone in the industry i fully understood what i was getting myself into and the gamble i took, but for people outside of it just wanting to be modified it truly is such a dangerous game.
For those looking to get work done, a good place to start asking is APP piercers who you know are very focused on safety. They may be able to recommend someone or give information. Just know that there is a high likelihood that you will have to travel to get the work done
I learned about mods recently and was a bit horrified to learn that there was no medical training involved. Stitches are not easy to do, pain med administration can be really dangerous. This also means that there is NO regulation. Not surprised that its illegal. Very unfortunate though that its not something that can be done by specialized actual surgeons.
Thank you for this very grounded video on body modding, I'm interested in getting my tongue split in the future but I'm taking my time to consider if the pain and permanency are worth it, I now have something else I have to consider before deciding to get it done. I really wish more countries would understand people will get this done whether or not it's legal, I'm on the body mod sub and I've seen many posts "where can I go to get x mod? It's illegal in my country" and people telling them good artists in their area or overseas. It also makes a lot of people scared to go to the hospital or doctors when something goes wrong because there's this stigma around it too. It's much like drugs, legalizing and providing safe places to do these things will 200% help reduce harm rather than banning and punishing people who take part in these things.
I’ve always wondered what your thoughts were on the subject. Thank you for your stance. I’ve been looking at a tongue split but this really puts things into perspective and makes me rethink it. Thank you again. 💛💛
I mean, don’t get me wrong I love my split! But I’m so fortunate to be in this industry and also know safe practitioners and artists and trust who I get work from. I see way to many others get bad work- and I’ve seen more then enough really bad splits to make me stressed for folks who don’t have the connections and don’t know who is safe.
Also, how do you go about researching the artist you’re looking at for a heavy mod? There’s a particular one I follow but I’m iffy because of everything you’ve said in the video.
@@lifehatesjess unfortunately these days research is difficult. Old forums don’t exist or are heavily monitored. Some artists threaten clients who have bad experiences and try to tell their stories. You gotta read LOTS of reviews, look at lots of examples of work. Pay attention to healed and ork as well as fresh photos. Talk to people whose opinion you trust. Really talk to the artist about their practices, education, and background. And trust your gut if something seems off.
This one is so timely; I work at a studio in California and the number of people in their late teens and early twenties seeking out heavy mods has had an uptick, and I was recently talking to a co-worker who was also a weird little teenager who read modblog about the recent number of posts on mod reddits (I do not have tiktok, lol) that appear to be from people who received virtually no aftercare guidelines for their tongue splits and seem very frightened and confused by how intensive recovery is. As always, I super appreciate your focus on harm reduction and informed consent; I've been able to refer clients to a number of your videos if they seem uncomfortable having an in-depth conversation about sensitive or potentially triggering topics at the counter.🖤
as someone who has been working to become a piercer, and hopefully some day be a heavy mod artist as well, thank you *so much*. it's quite sad, seeing people advocate for such risky things without advertising the risks as well. when my mom got her coinslot, the artist let us take pictures of him working under the promise that we would never share them with anyone outside our family, and if anyone asked about it that we would tell them the artist and give no other details whatsoever. it healed great, but his sutures weren't separated, he didn't know to put on sterile gloves, he didn't have a handle for his scalpel, his sutures were uneven and shaky, etc etc. im currently a medical student, and those suture lines made me cringe. and he's the first mod artist i had ever heard of, back in 2015 or so. one of the biggest names too. glad that you're able to talk about it now!! (: it's extremely important that people understand the risks of these procedures, and hopefully anyone who sees this might think again ps: for anyone wanting to get extreme mods, my word of advice is to only let someone work on you if they tell you the risks and try to talk you out of it. bonus points if they give you a period of time to make sure you're informed before they agree to work on you
I realize you may not want to share the name of the artist here, but would you be willing to DM me elsewhere? I’m currently circling the drain a bit on a few of what seem to be the main big artists for coin slots
@@rhodayackez9570 it's a hole in the ear that has an elongated shape, basically the shape of a coinslot in machines. Basically someone cuts out a slip of tissue in your ear and sews the skin of front and back of the ear together inside of that slit. Once it's healed, people usually put stacks of rings in there
I didn’t even know they didn’t have professional medical training and licensure until recently. I asked a piercer in Oregon and they told me I can’t go to them and I need to go to a dermatologist or other medical professional instead. I was so confused at their stiff reaction. Then I started to talking to other ppl who are heavily modified and started learning about how it’s illegal in Oregon and some other states as well along with all the dangers of the business. I was so shocked… but I’m glad I found out before I just went and booked with someone. Tbh I only see cis men practitioners and it makes me uncomfortable because I’m so afraid of SA (with my history of being SA’d). I know a dermatologist will stitch up my ears for me but I feel like I will be judged in that type of environment. Idk, the whole thing is messy
It’s super messy. And they do a good job of hiding that they don’t have training and that is is illegal. Which. I mean for good reason. But it leads to a lot of people who really shouldnt be doing this doing it anyway and hurting folks.
@@Lynn_Loheide when I was growing up in Texas I remember it being so common in the tattoo/piercing community to go to a traveling heavy body mod artist. And no one thought anything of it, it was just what it was. I never went personally cause I was too young and was afraid of not being able to get jobs. But I’m so glad I didn’t, I was incredibly naive and would’ve prob ended up being in a really compromising situation. That is what worries me about heavy body mods and even body suspension, I just feel like for ppl who are naive, young, or don’t have any true connection to the community and know the deets on who to trust/ not to trust, it just makes so many ppl vulnerable.
Don't know how this vid popped up in my recommendations, but I'm glad. Congrats on a full year of being you and hope many many more to come :) May you be whole forever
Love this video so much!! I’m wanting to get my split tongue, and been researching it many years and it’s intimidating tbh. And know it’s hell for the first two weeks.
I have wanted to get a scarification piece for almost 4 years now, but I don't even know where to start to find someone. I know I eventually want to work done, but I don't even know how to dip my toes into the scene enough to even know someone who knows someone.
It’s limbo of doctor needs insurance for payment and just that that surgery paid under the table is illegal it’s a conversation im wanting to talk about and discuss once im accepted into med school!! You’ve changed my mind on what I wanted to get done later regarding this issue. Thank you 🙏🏼 😊
This is something I never new. So things like BBL's are breast inplants are performed by legal plastic surgions, but others that you mentioned are not? Mind you, that is one of the highest calamity rate surgeries. There are plenty of exercises for anyone who wants to achieve that goal.
Thank you for talking about this! Back when I had my ear scalpeled there was no information about it literally anywhere that I could find. I do plan on getting a coin slot with in the next year as my artist just opened a shop. Disclaimer I cannot find any information on if it is legal or illegal in Ontario, Canada
Hey Lynn! I know this is quite the video idea, but I think it would be sweet to have you go through all your piercings and experiences with them. A piercing tour if you will
I’ve wanted a tongue split forever, and now I’m super curious who these bad artists who are seen everywhere are. I’ve done my research and narrowed it down to 3 but now I’m scared one of those 3 could be really not as good as I think.
Ive wanted a tongue split for years. Honestly a lot of the body mods I want are considered very extreme and I’ve even seen tattoo artists be very judgmental of them (cough tattooed sclera cough). I live in a state where tongue splits are legal and even considered constitutionally protected free speech, luckily for me, but finding a practitioner is difficult. I want to get a new piercing soon, and my previous piercer had been in the industry a long time and was very up on safety, so I was heavily considering asking him if he would do one or if he knew anyone who did. I’m surprised that many people don’t know that body mod artists aren’t medical practitioners. After all, if they were medically trained they would probably be working in some form of medical practice, not a studio.
We had a man here who is now in jail for 10 years after a silicon implant went wrong. He was also accused of some more severe stuff that's a bit heavy to just dump in a RU-vid comment section
You talk about "keeping it underground" to circumvent investigation &further persecution, so then how do we go about not putting the artist in a bad spot when seeking this work? Is private messaging ok on say, insta, Reddit, etc, or is that frowned upon bc it can be screenshot? Would you ask verbally at a piercing shop, or is that a bad environment to ask? Is there anything specific to look out for that's like a flag, like pineapples with swingers (bad example but all I could think of lol). I want to find someone safe, but also don't want to put them in a rough spot where they have to either lie and turn down work, or say yes and take a risk of someone finding out.
Can I ask what made you choose to have this kind of work done? I'm only curious because I've always been interested but the whole thing seems intense especially with the pain added on. (You are the coolest person on the planet) And no worries if you cant answer this! I understand- Thank you so much for putting this video together, I really appreciate it
This was so informative! Do you happen to know anything about that one plastic surgery practice that claims to offer tongue splitting? The practice is called Loftus but I for the life of me cannot find a single thing about them besides their actual website.
So I recently got my tongue split towards the end of February. I got into a car accident the day that I got my stitches taken out. I was fasting that week that I had my stitches in because I didn’t want to eat something that would accidentally take the stitches out. Plus it was very difficult to eat any type of foods. I told the police about my procedure and they unlawfully arrested me with a DUI when I was sober. I hired a lawyer and told him about my procedure but am afraid to give my lawyer any more information on my piercer because it is an illegal procedure and I the last thing I want is to get my piercer in trouble. Should I tell my lawyer anyway?
Oooof. That is a conversation to have with your artist. They could easily end up in jail along with you if that goes to court though. Unfortunately depending on the state you are in that’s an illegal procedure and you could be in a lot of trouble.
Lawyer client conversations are privileged. Obviously in a court room that is different but you should never hide stuff from your lawyer. They are on your side
I hate how much safer heavy body mods would be only if there wasn't that much stigma against them. Giving body mod artists the proper training and medical tools/equipment to perform the same mods but in a safer setting would be way better not only for the artist themselves but for the client. I see the concerns for the safety of the client brought up a lot by the same people who later don't want body mod artist to get proper training that would help with creating safer conditions.
Anything using a scalpel legally becomes considered a heavy modification. I think this is lower risk then say a tongue split or an ear point but the law would view it the same. Using a scalpel without a medical license can be a felony in some areas.
For me, imo, lower wage/ service jobs tend to be more discriminatory against body mods, I work in a lab and my mods are completely fine (septum stack, philtrum, cheek piercing ect) but the local acme didn’t want to hire me with them ect. I thankfully have never gotten harassed for my piercings, or anything serious, I’ve gotten side ways glances from the older folk but thankfully nothing to bad. I also feel like the area you live heavily reflect how “tolerable” people are to mods.
I understand that the artists doing the work are legally at risk and could potentially be prosecuted, but could someone be arrested just for having a heavy modification? I can't personally see what they could be charged with since they themselves didn't do the procedure and in my eyes weren't the one breaking the law(s), that I know of.
do you have any opinions on sampa von cyborg and the elf ear tipping surgery? i understand that if you do you might not want to say because each person should be responsible for choosing to get extreme body mods or not : ) so no pressure to answering!
So most the people who perform these aren't licensed professionals but their are some ? Like if you go to a surgeon looking to get a tongue split they don't do it? Or they deny you ? Or like it's illegal to even talk/look into getting one ? Like I knew some people go to anyone who will do it. But I didn't know it's not a lot of other options.
Are there still some of those old websites left? I would love to know how to do proper research. I want to get a coinslot done. So far everything i could do to research an artist are there instagram page and to chat via reddit with people who got a modification done by them. And of course google and their website but its really hard to get any good informations.. Could you tell me how to research properly?
I don't see why a plastic surgeon will do all kinds of things for "normal" people such as breast enlargment that is dangerous and abnormal looking. That I've heard of ribs being removed...all kinds of things such as fake calf muscles and other things. I don't know why they'll do those things, helping women look like walking barbie/blow up dolls but someone wants elf ears and they think it's insane and won't do it. Someone wants a forked tongue and they won't do it. But someone asks to have their breasts the size of soccer balls and they're willing to do that. It's just as abnormal if you ask me. It's also what the person wants. I think plastic surgeons should be willing to do this sort of work and perhaps there be a way for body modification artists to become licensed and properly trained - to learn from plastic surgeons and such. A way to...become legit.
If it's possible I would like to run some things by you and see if you think it's a safe environment I've been doing some research I'm in Ohio and I found a place that says they do it in Cincinnati.
Do you think as one with big say in the topic and know the community well, you should try and convince doctors in the plastic surgeon field to accept as plastic procedure? Looking to see the next body mode video you will have, will tell more of your experience ? How about talking about NFC / magnetic implants?
@@Lynn_Loheide thank you!! i went to a piercer near my college (not my local one) to get a piercing looked at and he told me to put aspirin paste on the irritation bumps (and he just had pierced my friend's lobes right before)! couldnt be more thankful for the immediate red flag to get the hell out
Absolutely. Also so many people have gone blind or lost vision or had neurological issues from sclera tattooing. I wouldn’t even consider it a safe mod.
they honestly should be illegal if medical professionals arent willing to do it. If the money isnt there for someone with that training to bother to do it then it shouldnt be done. at least not legally.
I think part of the issue is the money -is- there- but societal beauty standards look at this stuff as “undesirable” and so medical professionals- even those who are open to and willing to do these procedures- will loose their licenses for doing them.
@@Lynn_Loheide I agree. I mean why else do you get plastic surgeons who will give chest implants that are so massive to some people...but they won't do thhese other modifications. The money is there from the modification community. It's just who considers a tongue split, elf ears, and horn implants to be "pretty" or "sexy" ? But the big breasts of course are...somehow.
