Ben I want you to know you got me back in again. Today I took no less than 5 good slams doing tricks I would usually never fall on in the past but I don't regret it. Your technical mindset and measurement analysis videos should be more well known. I know more spec data about boards than I ever knew 10 years ago. Love from WA.
I really love the sharp turn on Aces, and their re-threading axle nuts are great, but they don't seem to last too long. Will be trying Indys next. Great video.
Indy 149 standard with a swapped forged base plate so they have the hollow kingpin making them 376g per truck. I also just got a set of thunder standard 149 and actually really like how they turn. They were 366g new.
Ive started with 144 hollows, and it was the best for a long time. Then my gear madness pushed me to try thunder hollow 147, never liked, you have to choose no turn or wheelbite. I even bent them learning flatground ollie (im 150lbs). After ive tried 149 hollow and ace 44. Both are cool, ace are heavy (i dont like this) but turn was amazing initially. Bushings stiffened after initial brake in, and they became another indy. I hope they will be soft again. Indy 149 are great, its like more stable 144. Ive even tried 149 titanium, but felt no difference with hollow (but checked 20g weight diff on scales). All above from the beginner viewpoint. I’ve landed kickflip once )
kinda doesn't matter at beginner level.. you can honestly skate anything but if it gives you confidence, by all means. save your $ keep a consistent setup if you like but focus more on technique & form: jumping on top of board, lifting back feet up after you snap, & a good ollie....and getting hurt.
At your current level of skating, differences in gear don’t matter much. But I will say, it’s unlikely that an axle would bend from a flat ground ollie. I weigh more than you and regularly skate gaps (with thunders) around 5 ft high or taller with no issues. In fact I’ve never bent an axle from any brand come to think of it. If this was caused by a manufacturer defect, DLX customer service and warranty is excellent. They stand firmly behind their product.
Ace is my favorite truck. I love the way they turn and how responsive they feel. They grind really nice too and they are by far the best looking truck imo
Same here bro I love the indy 144s. Just bought some Ventures to try. I've always skated independent 139s stage 8s when I was in my teens through in to 20s
I’ve always skated Independent trucks. I don’t know any different. I’ve always skated them. When they released the stage 11/hollow trucks that eliminate speed wobble I became a customer for life.
My favorite trucks are the Indy 149 standards. I gotta say the turn and pop feel is out of this world. The weight does not matter to me based on the geometry.
YOU KNOW ALL THE SLOGANS TO THE BEST TRUCKS! Been riding them for at least 30 of the 33 years I've been skating. Forged hollows are my current jam. Also, NHS customer service is the best!!!!
I 2nd this ! At my age I mostly cruise haha . I have been able to understand board dimensions vs trucks and how they relate , thanks to Ben . My 2 favorite trucks are Thunder Teams and , oddly , Tracker Darts (swapped in stock Thunder Blacklight bushings for the really hard Tracker bushings) .
I was on thunders for several years; I ordered some indie 159 hollows and have been skating those for about a month. Still stock bushings without any adjustment to the trucks. May tighten them up in a bit; not sure if it's a myth, but I heard it's best not to tighten brand new bushings before they're broken in.
I knew it lol! Indy basher lolol! I started on indy's in the early 90's then switched to venture as they were lighter. I still love indy's though fo sho xx
My FAVORITE are 169 indy titanium lights. but for my smaller boards i have 149 indy standards and 149 thunder team lights and i just love them both. If i HAD to pick id go Indy but thunders are so good for pinch.
would love to see you try a symmetrical board witb fresh trucks , with the board having the same nose and tail makes it so you wouldnt need to have a designated front and back truck , and i think seeing the wear on trucks used as both front and back would be interesting
Conor Judge Dude I cant find it now either!!?? Swear I saw a vid of them testing the trucks and they said not on the market but coming soon. Hmmmm? Maybe they were told to take it down for some weird reason. Pretty sure they are gonna be 53mm with inverted kingpin. Might be daydreaming but my memory also sucks.
This is off topic but I would really like to see your opinion on these Impact Madness decks I've seen. Looks like a normal deck except for a 15" wheel base! Just curious to see you skate it and why in the world a 15 inch wheel base
my new fav truck is Mini Logo Trucks. they pop like a theeve, pinch like a venture, turn like an ace low, and are light as a thunder hollow. They're also inexpensive and have a design where it tapers in the middle so you lock in easier from the jump. People think "oh those are cheap and Mini Logo is just a barely decent generic brand" but what a lot of people dont realize is that they are basically Powell Peralta trucks.
@Conor Judge ahh, see i just really like the stability of a low truck and i also like short wheelbases because they turn more sharp and i like popping with a more narrow stance. they pair perfectly with steep kicks. they are perfect with an Almost deck. on a "standard" deck i just put risers and 54mm wheels on em. i also put bones medium bushings
I tried mini logo 8.38 trucks on a 8.38 deck and I really liked them for a low truck. I just changed the pivots for riptides but that wasn't really required. They grind down pretty quickly though. On some Thunder 148 team hollows at the moment and they are great.
I tried mini logo 8.38 trucks on a 8.38 deck and I really liked them for a low truck. I just changed the pivots for riptides but that wasn't really required. They grind down pretty quickly though. On some Thunder 148 team hollows at the moment and they are great.
I like to stay loyal to my Grind King Disruptors, but damn they're noisy. I switch back & forth from them to the Indy Hollows. And I'm done with the regular Reds bearings, Lucky Abec 7's are very underrated.
@@colossalfart I did, it worked for awhile, but they're back to making noise. It doesn't bother me to the point not to skate them though. The noise was Ben's biggest issue with them, that's why I mentioned it.
@@Juggatarian Hmmm, I know it's a hassle, but I'd consider taking them apart and putting some more wax in there, pivot cups and anywhere rubber meets metal. I did it to my trucks when they were new, over 6 months ago, and they've remained absolutely silent. Kept the original bushings too. I love not getting wheelbite!
@@colossalfart Well, I just got a full cornea transplant surgery 2 days ago. So I can't skate for at least 3 months, and can't go back to work for 1 month. So I'll have a lot of extra time on my hands coming up, so I might do that.
@@Juggatarian Damn, bro! I hope you get better and back on your board asap! In the meant time, wax those bushings, clean your bearings, and most important of all, get those eyes back to 100%! Everything else can wait!
I got some Mini Logo when I first started skating again after years. Ran into immediate wheel bite issues after coming from Indy. I don't like them. I think they are too low. Not sure about the bushings either. I had to crank them down to prevent wheel bite and at that point the turning sucked. Maybe with a riser they would have been all right. Otherwise, with 53mm wheels on an 8" deck, wheel bite was an issue.
@@idmhead0160 Grab is the same. Melon (or "sad") tweaked forward, the front leg is boned. Method is tweaked upward, behind the back. Method was way more popular in vert -- very difficult to do on flat -- especially in "highest air" contests, where the measure was the skateboard. The ollie melon was also called "melanchollie" given that "sad" was another way of calling a melon. (Sad plants should be mentioned here, but it's confusing.... same tweak as a melon but the grab was usually "mute"). By the end of 80s and very early 90s, I can't recall a single skate video part without a melon... It was really an art.... the tech fever and narrow boards wiped it out.
I have Reynolds 139 hollows that I desperately wish I had gotten in 144, my 8.25 trucks are thunder teams and they ride ok but squeak SOOO loud all the time and I hate that they’re painted but it’s all the shop had. I have 149 standards that started off as a cruiser setup, but I’m trying to burn through my last few 8” decks I have before moving up to 8.25 and might roll the 149s since I tend to ride a truck one size over my deck.
@@palleh7742 just the soap. One drop in each pivot cup. Then put some soap in your hand and give the bushings and kingpin s thin coating of soap too. Just a little bit will do the trick.
I like my 150hrs old 149 forget hollows but I feel they turn (on my F4 conical 54, SPF V5 56) the opposite as your experience: more/faster than my new ACE 55 (but 5hrs old only) on my roll around board with chrome clouds 57. 149s feels sometimes a tiny bit wobbly, ACEes not. AND on my 149 one of my wheels touches like 60% only of the riding surface (from axle to outside) on SPF/F4s, 2 wheels like 90%, 1 wheel 100% - is it maybe from falling down a mini ramp or whatever? hollow axle = way more sensitive/weak?
Standard 139 mm independent trucks on a 8.0 WKND deck, also on 8.3 WKND deck. With spitfire lock ins 53 mm 101a. Ride them medium loose, standard white Independent bushings, still get wheelbite.
I've been riding royal trucks for a while now and I know they're a little cheaper compared to Indies etc but I've loved mine. I've found with royals too that they always feel broken in as soon as you get a new pair. Never really found that with any other truck. You should review some Ben
Was an Indy fanboy for YEARS until I tried thunders on a board that had lost its pop and they basically revitalized the deck for another 2 weeks. They don't have the same heft as indys, but I find them more reliable for a boards longevity (i.e. no ghost pop). I still have like 5 sets of indys but these thunders have been going strong for a year now and I haven't felt like returning anytime soon.
I'm at the point now where I really can't definitively say if I prefer Indys or Thunders... they're both great trucks so you honestly can't go wrong with either
Aces be´cause it gives the most play out of your truck. Best turn, best lean. Indys feel like I can turn one truck at a time and it screws me up, Aces turn more symmetrically or are more coordinated if that's the right word
I bought krux earlier this year and found that they somehow manage to be completely unstable AND still not able to turn well while ridden loose. Lots of lean, no turn
Ben you rock 🤘😎🤘. Truly an inspiration to some of us older guys to get back into it. Wish I’d never stopped now, but only thing to do now is...Go skate👍
I bought a pair of Tensor all terrain mag lights after your video, absolutely love them. If you can shake the fact that the core skate industry thinks they are "wack". Haha. Best for a slappy board set up.
When I first started out, I started with the regular all terrain Tensors and I really like them. I was worried that they aren't going to hold up because I'm on the heavier side but they still work fine.
i swear they’re by far the best for slappys I have em on my slappy setup. I wish they’d make a heavier mag truck I really love the grind but I’ve been really enjoying the Heft of my 149 Indys lately. gotta have 2 setups now haha a not hollow tensor mag would be so fire or an Indy mag truck hahaha
I settled on Indy 139 standards. Tried aces, too twitchy, tried thunders, a tad low for me. There's something about the Indy turn being a tad delayed then getting sharp when you dig in that I really like. Also the 55mm works with the decks I like to ride.
147 Thunder lights on A 8.25 board , the amount of pinch action I’ve gotten with this accidental setup is amazing””” then I found out Ishod Wair rides big boards with 147 Thunder stamp the seal of approval
I’m thinking about trying Grind King again. I haven’t had a pair since the 90’s. They grinded down so quick but I liked how they performed over all. Indy’s were too heavy fr
I'm on indy 144 hollows right now, they're great! But I do tricks easier on krux trucks especially manuals and grinds, but I had to swap out the pivot cups so they could turn better and I had to remove like 3mm from the kingpin so I could tighten it more coz it hits the board when I tighten it. INDY and KRUX!
I have the titaniums. Indy's definitely rule. In the 90's I rode Thunder. When I came back to skating in 2013 I tried Tensor, but I couldn't stick with them. Switching to Indy's was one of the best things I did to update my setup.
Me 5.6 high and 5.8 venture from standard to v-hollow, im so used to the stability of the wheel base and the pop. For me they turn just fine, now i skate them just with the stock bushing. I love indy (149)and thunder too but not as much as venture. Indy too turny on 14.25 and down and thunder too low for my weigh(190).
Vince amir how are the 5.6 ventures on a 14.25 wheelbase? ive only used them w short wheelbases im afraid with a 14.25 itd feel too long and i cant treflip anymore:(
@@gabrieltrujillo8016 for sure that turn à little bit less than à 14 inch wheel base. I love my venture on a DGK board 8.25 x 14.375 and i can do tre flip with no problem. But im probably not the best exemple for this because i can do tre flip with almost every kind of setup, like 8" To 10.34" board with 15" wheel base and 60 mm wheels.
@@rizz184 well who knows if the titanium axle vibrates differently resulting in a softer feel even if it does not touch the ledge. I doubt that and titanium being softer? I'd say more likely its the mind playing a trick on people who think the hanger is titanium.
Ride them till they are in useable that will be a really sick vid “I broke my indys!!” It will also be interesting if you skate a decks it it’s un rideable
I always snap my axles from landing primo or wobble out the mounting holes which is my fault hahha. I wish I could keep a pair long enough to get grooves but it hasn't happened in 18 years of skating
I work at a skateshop and pretty much everyday someone comes in asking for new pivot cups for their independents. This could be caused by the change to china manufactoring. I ride Ace 44s. They are best truck for me, they are nice and turny with bones soft bushings and grinds feel really smooth and manuals feel nice and stable with steep kicked boards. They also look the best imo. My current setup is Thames 8.5 deck, Ace 44 trucks with bones soft bushings, Bones reds bearings and spitfire 54mm 99a conicals.
@@InfinityGamerHDx too risky right now I'd say. Madrid and Spain is getting infected again, and you are forced to wear a mask at any place. Maybe you get lucky though
@@recession81 ventures turn fine once they brake in.(I really never got the comments on this channel of them tightening up after they brake in, that is just not the case). I like them because they are more stable and they grind just fine for me. I tried indys and went right back to Venture. 2 each their own!
kris b. Its all what you're use to and for me indys work better than any other truck because they are the only trucks that don't snap on me when stomping tricks down gaps like thunders and venture and tensors have for me in the past
@@recession81 I def have snapped the baseplates years ago but have not had any issues for a long time,but I'm not jumping down big gaps anymore so...But Venture was always for the tech street/ledge skaters anyway.......
