What are "Nested Tuplets?" | Q+A 

You adding " I love you" in the end just made my day - needed to hear that. Thank you for your positive contribution to our education, entertainment and mental stability :)

Hey adam! What do you think about poly tempos! Tempos inside tempos. Or nested tempos! I have an example about this but not sure how to show you

Hey Adam! Why bass?

So basically what you said is that jacob collier was just making harmony worse with "you and i" :Ъ that's a... that's... aaah... you know :Ъ

Hey Neely, I know you arent a singer, but I am a pianist (classical/jazz) who would like to learn how to sing so I could eventually accompany myself while I sing the melody of my favorite jazz/pop tunes. Do you or Madam Neely have anything to say? I'm just not sure where to start.

Classic Brian!

i watched your video : " Fractals in the Music of Carla Bley | s c o r e s t u d y 0 3 " because it/she appears on the right when i was watching the video about fractal music of Adam Neely ^^

Heyyy ur right here. Might as well check it out now uk 😉

pitchforks at the ready

@Dalmo Mendonça can you explain reference...for a friend of course...

@@Bisquick Another of Adam's videos. The video about playing as a State Department music ambassador. It's a great video. Ironically, he mentions that video in this question about "universal language".

I did not expect to see you here lol. Also wow you like Meshuggah?

o hey x!

I'm sorry,,, wut

This was a welcome surprise...I knew you were a pretty musical dude but I never really made the connection in my head lol

3:56 doubly nested tuplet djent

Repetition legitimizes

Repetition legitimizes

Lepitition Regitimizes

@@MeatBunFul h

So what you're saying is if he repeats it, it will become legitimized?

oh my god 🤣

😂😂😂

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn lmao

That should be the motto of 2020. People are doing some really crazy and stupid things.

where

The Capitalist's Guide to Matroshka Dolls. Personally I have the Tchaikovsky ones.

@@GhostHax0r omegalul own the capitalists, oh wait

Love nested tuppers.

@@GhostHax0r isn't it Matryoshka?

@@Unit_With_Legs probably. I don't mind either way since I know people will misspell and mispronounce it anyways. Compared to all the "Cyka Blyat" jokes I hear when someone finds out I'm Russian, its harmless.

B A G P I P E S

@@dankmemesdeaddreams2309 the hurdy-gurdy says hi too

... mayonnaise?

More like "NO!...But actually, yes!"

“Someone one day was playing Minecraft and heard a Minecraft villager go hmm and went yo that could be an instrument” Kmac, circa 2020

A terrible army of raw power and _jazz._

At least it isn’t lazy lofi?

Imagine all the djent

Kerrmunism lofi is fine you’re just a music snob, I bet you dunk on pop musicians too, simple doesn’t equal bad

Captain kiwi well I mean lazy lofi is uncreative and strictly derivative, I don’t think that type of music should be respected - but obviously the preface of “lazy” excludes lofi that is inspired in such a way that it must respected artistically and it doesn’t single out simplicity

He's really trying to push this whole "repetition legitimizes" thing.

Hah, Hah, Hah,

This whole thing of "repetition legitimizes" is really being pushed by him.

He's He's He's

Adam with delay

that was exactly the second thing he said lol

I was about to comment the same thing

definitely a shot at Jacob haha

Jacob would probably say, “hold my teabag.” lol

Badam Tss

Bucketofish

even that will differ from language to language, sadly

well said mate

you know the chess player TARRASSSSHHHHHHH?

dyslexia legitimises

@@findlayhamilton-jones3863 trying saying that five times fast

What about nested Strumpets? Same applies!

John Verne 😂😂

Found the brass nerd. (we can smell our own)

Why do (Jazz musicians like Stevie) wonder (so much)

@@melwugon3687 Why do wonder

@@Wind-nj5xz Why

​@@melwugon3687 A Musician's Sentence

Adam Neely took my wife and kids.

*steals money in quintuplets in 4/20 time signature*

Nested quintuplets in 4/20 time signatures in the polytonal keys of C and A#m

It would appear theneedledrop commenters have migrated....

Borgwardd I was about to say the same thing lmao

No kidding! Same goes with our fellow trombones and euphonists (?)

And cellists too! Seriously, just stick with bass and treble.

Don't forget the violas

Joe Adcock tenor clef is actually great for cello, they just shift everything up a string and then voila tenor clef

God I hate tenor clef

As a bass player who plays a bit of classical stuff for fun, I too see tenor clef often enough to have made it worth learning. It was surprisingly easy, I think the key was really wanting to play that piece...

euphoniums very rarely use tenor clef because we can already read treble, which is what most euphoniums use playing higher registers

​@@arizonagreenbeeI started off playing trumpet before learning euphonium, so naturally, treble clef is where I started. After struggling to adapt to bass clef, I was introduced to tenor clef as trombone music will sometimes be written in it to avoid excess ledger lines. I was initially hesitant to learn ANOTHER new clef, but then so relieved to realize that it read the same as treble clef (as long as you rememberef to add two sharps.)

as a bass player i can tell you it would be much much easier to read treble clef, or the high ledger lines.

Low brass instruments and low woodwinds also use tenor clef. For Bb trombone and euphonium in particular, tenor clef puts all the notes in the same positions as transposed treble clef (since we transpose a major ninth down when reading treble). Third space in tenor is Bb, the same note as the third space C in treble, making life somewhat easier. Most of us probably only learn to read one or the other, then adjust key signatures and accidentals when reading the other clef.

but if we replaced the c clef with a treble clef it would become 1000% easier

*Jacob Collier has entered the chat*

Felix Castellanos he’s good but he can’t compare to Stevie.

@@felixcastellanos5960 That's what I thought.

I liked that statement so much I watched it twice :)

Stevie Wonder’s songs don’t need Collier’s reharm though, is the point. Wonder already found the perfect harmony.

I was thinking Charles Cornell

@@edvid5626 lol same

Uh Mononeon lol

Yeah, Adam Cornell

@@edvid5626 same

Bro what channel don’t you watch

From music channels to sora the troll hmm

^^

@@mosqski3106 and games.. and memes.. and films.. maybe motorsport as well?

found you again

2.718 beats per measure, and the pi notes get the beat.

that's just 3:3 tho, what's so hard about that : ^)

@@Andy_ARBS reported

Engineering logic

@@Andy_ARBS hello mr Engineer

I actually wonder what he thinks about Messugah or djent metal. He mentions it in memes, but does he actually like the genre, or metal in general? I can't imagine him being into that.

I need to hear that, but it would have to be someone else making it. Cause I can't play that shit.

he's been using two cameras for awhile now lol

@@samus88 I can't imagine him not liking Meshuggah. Probably not his favorite band by a long shot, but if you know as much about music as he does (and still manage to enjoy it...), you will enjoy Meshuggah.

@@Bizarro_Bry never noticed, my bad!

That, and the classical bassists and the cellists... (as a bass player who tinkers with the cello and the trombone too, I'd say it's been worth learning tenor clef at least..!).

Also, bassoon... I’ve heard for cello, but never for bass before?

@ yeah what piece for bass use alto? That bass must be screeching

We're always forgotten. What I've learned-tenor clef is common for higher parts and alto clef means the composer hates you.

@@zewensenpai Check, for example, Fr. Cerny's Nocturne and Intermezzo (in F major) and Danse des Satyres (in A major).

I would cry if I played trombone too

C Clef is pretty versatile for low brass and strings.

dies in viola

@@nicholasneyhart396 I love tenor clef personally. Consistent notes above 2 or 3 ledger lines is hard to read IMO. I don't understand how flute players do it

I heard this comment

You need a medal of some sort, why is this a hidden feature? I've been using the "add one" method for years! Have a medal 🏅

Thanks!!

Hey man! Would you happen to know how to do the same thing in pro tools?

@John Verne I feel like the kinds of high school band directors who would make you sight sing in C-clef are people who teach at schools with advanced band programs where you don't need to change people around for instrumentation.

@John Verne Most instruments are either treble or bass clef. If you play piano, you're already covered. Especially for the simple music that they play in a high-school band. I switched between various instruments in middle school and high school and never had a problem, and I didn't need C-clef training for that. Playing piano was most helpful.

It's not like the average person in music college will have to spend a significant on C clefs anyways. A lot of people in colleges/universities complain that they have to learn about obscure things (not just in music), but that's the whole reason you're in higher education. You should at least be exposed to things like that, maybe dip your feet into them so you have a bit of experience in case you run into it in real life.

I've only ever sight sung on alto and tenor clef, which is fine for me as an orchestrator/composer. I also had the advantage of viola being my primary instrument, though.

Being fluent in other clefs is so liberating and... satisfying. After filling in on viola in my orchestra and becoming fluent in alto clef, I've found so many devious little uses for it. Buy a copy of the cello suites transcribed for viola? Ended up using that edition later on bass clarinet, recorder, and eventually cello itself without having to buy or print off different versions. Reading concert pitch treble music on a Bb instrument? Pretend it's alto clef and it's only a few accidentals to keep track of. Other way around? Pretend it's tenor clef and bob's yer uncle. And not everybody can just read bass clef music on flute/recorder, or treble music on tuba/bassoon. It really comes in handy. I've even casually written out bits of piano music in alto clef because that's just where all the notes were and I was too lazy to draw out the ledger lines by hand. If nobody else but me is gonna read it, I'm going to take the easy way out. Is it a useless skill? I would say... yes. Even score study as a conductor you don't really need to be able to read the viola/cello/bone/bassoon parts note by note fluently. But it's so nice to just... be able to without thinking about it. Plus you can make sense of early music without having to pull your hair out. That's gotta be worth something.

The octave-shifted treble clef is nearly identical to the tenor clef and is a simpler solution for voices.

Damn right, sir. C-clefs are so very important to any musician. Trebel and bad clefs have been in common practice for 300 years. C-clefs were in practice for centiries beforehand. If you have an interest in music, you have you have an appreciation for how they work. Good show

Honestly this.

Should try early 2000's standards (or update someone's "legacy"), where you have a table in a td in a tr in a tbody in a table. Fun stuff!

@@danpremo6958 oh... I just died a little inside with that one

nested columns

@@danpremo6958 Not only that but you have to deal with a bunch of deprecated elements and inline styling. *Shivers*

this is epic

Actually, i'm not. He seems to have a pretty catholic taste in music, and seems to have his finger on many pulses. No doubt nested.

@@timbeaton5045 but are the tuplets?

I was but wasn’t

Why he has shown to have very in depth knowledge of theory at this point I’m not surprised by anything he knows.

As a cellist, tenor clef is extremely convenient, because it's the bass clef one string higher. Engravers and composers take note, cellists love tenor cleff.

I thought so, too, although I think meshuggah is doing something different. There's this distinction between polyrhythm and polymeter and I'm not sure which one was which but Meshuggah is doing the other one ;) With tuplets you break up same-lengths bars into different-lengths sub-divisions and I think that's polyrhythm. But Meshuggah mostly plays different-length bars with same-length subdivisions, which would be polymeter iirc.

Bernhard Krickl Meshuggah definitely does both poly rhythm and poly meter. They do quite a good bit of 4:3 and 4:6 patterns, odd time signatures, beat displacement and subdivisions all mixed together. Not to mention those atonal, chromatic guitar solos lol

Collier's the only musician who has ever inspired hate in me. Reharmonizing Hallelujah was a risk that might have paid off, but he did it with no consideration of the source material, the subject matter, he was just flexing. He should be in music jail, if there were such a thing...

@@martinmaguire-music6692 Such a strong reaction is a compliment to both you and Jacob Collier.

Joe Romano what did you work on to get your pitch recognition to that level?

Damn that's more and less what they do to us too I guess, more about stepping out of the comfort zone, but it does get out of hand at times

I wasn't in choir, but my music theory teacher's way of pushing me was coming up with more and more ridiculous intervals and chord voicings to have me identify in the pitch recognition exercises he made everyone do. Eventually he busted out a timer for my portion. When the timer thing happened I finally started fucking up. We did have a bit about C-clef practice, but it was more of a single day throwaway lesson that we weren't really expected to follow up on, mostly because the only one in the class who would ever use it already knew it because violist.

@@evanwilliamsguitar it was more or less familiarizing myself with a bunch of songs in different keys and using my ability to audiate to find the tonic. If I looked at the music and saw the song was in let’s say F, I would think of a song with F as the tonic (my go to for that pitch is The Root of all Evil by Dream Theater) and then once I had the tonic, my relative pitch could take over from there. As an adult with a full time job outside of music who therefore doesn’t have as much time to work on my craft I’ve lost some of that ability (I can still audiate to find the key of a song but can’t do it as fast as I could in high school) but my relative pitch still remains mostly intact.

well in German that would make sense...

@@wandtpag but the t come first

Its spelled PANZERBALLET. Thank me later

no, they are german, you should pronounce it pun-tsah-bah-let

​@@ashoka9306 you don't pronounce it as pun-tsah in german wtf

Thank you for this comment

I think you're thinking of Crested Tuplets. By the way, the phenomenon of telling a worse joke straight after a good one is known as 'shitting on the joke.' It is my only skill

i thought it was a small, nest-shaped toupee

@@Richard_Jones I guess it works sometimes.

He’s made a video about them on his second channel. I didn’t get the idea that he particulary likes them.

He's just a trained musician..

@@MrHestichs What's the video called? Can't find anything similar there

@@qsafex i heard that one got deleted, something about a hip hop cover they did

@@qsafex its unlisted, google adam neely twoset unlisted. he goes off pretty hard on them

Damn the thirst

this is one of the most interesting comments I've ever seen and I agree

@@drftr6073 Nothing bad with that.

@@Koettnylle What about when a guy expresses it to a girl?

@@sanny8716 happens way more often so girls are more likely to be tired of it. yes, there is a huge double standard here and you might call it ridiculous or even sexist, but at least part of it is deeply rooted in biological differences between genders, due to the fact that mating historically represented a much greater investment for the girl.

No, music has different languages within it (e.g. jazz, mongolian throat singing, dubstep, etc.) and you may understand one, feel something by hearing it, but not the others as each has its own gestures, context, history, etc.

Polyrhythm*

@@beardedglowsquid *Polyriddim

@@beardedglowsquid stoopid

Same for me my guy

MonoNeon and Bill Wurtz

I think he's mentioned them before

HOW

i love riddim

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@@phononmusic The absolute crackhead himself, what's good my dude

@@phononmusic you cracked me up a lot 😂 Loved your music my guy