What are Tanks supposed to do against THIS!? | Overwatch 2 Spectating 

It hurts my soul to see you stare at the mercy rezzing Mauga repetitively In your face... YOU HAVE A ROCK 😔

Healing isn't strong enough to keep a tank up through all the damage that is put out now so tanks are having to learn to play more carefully. HAAA! I never got healed enough to stand in the open for more than 2-3 seconds anyway so... I remember playing Rein a while ago and my support was like "Rein what are you doing? Go in there and swing. I'm pocketing you, you'll be fine. Quit playing scared." And so I swung my hammer roughly 1.25 times and fell over. One of my dps goes "Well, it's a good thing he SWANG!"

3 problems with counterwatch: 3 heroes counter 30, if the whole team doesnt swap it doesnt matter, if youre bad at the counter you might aswell not have swapped at all

Their entire team was letting that Mercy do whatever she wanted for half the match😭

Its amazing to me people still dont understand the jiggle (strafing) mechanic behind cover. Coming from COD myself it comes very natural. What I mean by Jiggle, is when you're hiding behind cover just jiggle your character back and forth around the corner to get info. Or in a game like OW, its an easy way to stay behind cover and mitigate poke dmg, get info about the enemy teams position, and bait out their ammo and cooldowns etc. You can even take shots yourself each time you jiggle and peak. A lot of the time this is better than taking insane amounts of damage, and then just sitting behind a wall and healing up to full HP and then peaking again.

5:15 100% agree, when ever ive watched flats or emongg play it inspires me to pick the game back up, then i actually play overwatch and remember that it makes me miserable and put it back down

As a support main, Im convinced that a lot of the tanks who bitch about the tank role are like this dude. Just stand in LOS of the entire enemy team, zero cover usage, and then are absolutely shocked when their supps cant keep them alive.

Biggest tip to anyone in low ranks, especially tank players: don't run at the enemy in a straight line, and don't gravitate towards the middle of the open. Try to hug corners more, move from cover to cover, and spend those 2-5 seconds extra by taking a slightly longer but safer and less predictable route to where you wanna go, rather than just mashing W/forward stick and seeing your health implode faster than a 3rd world economy hit by sanctions. You tank not by physically occupying space and soaking enemy damage, but rather by being a threat to anyone who dare enter the space that is within your convenience to reach. Wether you're in the open or hiding behind cover, doesn't change what space you control. It only changes how much pressure the enemy can conveniently apply to you without having to enter the space you control. If you can change these two simple factors, you never have to ever switch tanks again until probably plat/diamond - because right now your tank choice maybe affect 15% of your gameplay, however the WAY you play tanks is affecting your gameplay by 85%. Go for the low hanging fruit, the big number, high return on investment. Don't learn to counterswap, learn how to play without constantly feeding your way to the fight.

I actually despise Mauga and Bastion comps. I'm literally just a victim.

Tank player experience unimaginable torture of having to rely on teammates switching. No joke this has been biggest problem for tank for the past 8 years. Used to be your flanking hog and now its your mercy+reaper. Its a bit better now than before but tank feel too reliant on team synergy. No easy solutions without causing lots of ripple effects on other roles. Maybe more tank choices will help alleviate it a bit Emogg gives good advice on dealing with it though. Sometimes you gotta be more passive and focus on aspects that bring wins but the game doesn't track like getting cooldowns out, controlling sight lines, etc. Sometimes you just cant make big plays on tanks outside of ult

i love that bit in the beginning when the chatter said they watch and then want to play tank but for me i wanted to play but definitly not tank

Just from the thumbnail. It looks like a nightmare in a nutshell💀

*mauga fills 75% of the screen* "Rock the supports" like bruh. chat. you're the guy in the meme.

Biggest thing is positioning and using your shield at the right range. He repeatedly threw his shield instead of placing it in front of himself

I think too many lower ELO players haven't adjusted to the changes since the DPS passive. They all play in the open like they can be a bullet sponge. So when they try it and die they don't understand how they are getting melted. Then they commence to blaming support for not healing enough lol

I genuinely thinking about quitting overwatch bc all my comp games are so one sided, win or loss. It's not fun anymore

As an offensive DVA and defensive Ramattra, I’ve never struggled once against a bastion. I’m fact I get excited when I see one because they’re free kills lol

I played open q last noght for the first time in like a year and i always picked a tank that worked with another tank on my team and oh man do i miss tank duos it was so much fun, i was loving ram zarya comps and open q zarya is just old zarya and it feels good

yk whats even more painful than playing tank ink bastion and mauga? playing support into bastion, mauga, pharmercy and kiri/ana. like tf r u supposed to do against that? as support you need to keep the team alive, but how when you get 2 shot by a flanking dmg boosted phara that no one shoots cus they get shredded by bastion/mauga, you also cannot focus pharmercy, cus your whole team will by dead by the time you kill them, so you are in a 3v1 and just die

3:33 Damn, didn't knew

The way you described ppl wanting tank aggression and then you get smacked from the dps passive. Its been out for a good while and lower ranks still underestimate it so much

2 healers have to heal 4 players and stay alive themselves and I see this tank Hogging up a pocket mercy. So the other healer has to actually manage to heal 4 people and himself... I hope you dps players see how much work it is being a support player. And I say support, because it's on you to keep yourself alive too. Just standing in the open absorbing all the dmg and you expect to be healed, when the support has to keep himself alive and probably fighting a dps flanker too.

Just play a different game would be my suggestion.

He had rock and watched the mercy rez the tank he was complaining abt smh

I haven’t played tank since season 8 , And Tbh I felt good , I played JQ in qp and was doing good , The last time I was a sig,Ram,JQ main (Tanks Im good at) and I got to silver 2 , This is the reason I decided to come back

I’ve been playing this game since 2016, can we just admit this game is no longer fun. This is coming from a tank/support player, so you know I’ve been through it. Overwatch used to be so much more only to be reduced to this hot garbage.

But like... HIT YOUR SHOTS MAN

I played 13 games as a tank and they were all losses. Never again. They turned them into damn paper.

I like at 1:50 when she says “my hand needs some lightning in it”, instead of “my hand needs a knife in it.” I need that skin.

i saw the thumbnail and got ptsd as a ramattra player

I am always super careful about hugging corners and playing around cooldowns. And there are still plenty of games where the enemy tank can just stand wherever and not get punished. It happens more often when the enemy plays Hog, but still. I'm sure there are plenty of games where they are getting ounished, and I don't notice. It feels extra bad when you are playing carefully and decisively and using cover, and you still lose to the enemy with the tank who's just chilling in the open.

12:38 that was day light robbery this man should’ve had at least 1 person in it

whenever i see a mauga, im reminded of the players that spam their damage stat off the enemy tanks. mauga is a tank for players who dont play tank. they have released a character where no other tank can contest his space at all, if hes on point, you cant be. if he chases you down like a pitbull, run like a mole. im not complaining at the stategy used to combat him, i just think hes a badly desgined tank.

bro i thought mauga did a backflip but he just fell twice 23:12

Mauga would feel so much better to play against if he could only fire one gun at a time, never mind the fact that there is no way he is actually strong enough to fire a minigun one handed with any kind of accuracy is totally dumb to begin with.

Just wanted to say that even if you do have burst healing from Ana, ideally you want your Ana to use her nade to purple enemies not to heal you. Also, just remember that whenever you require lots of healing it forces your supports to heal you rather than doing damage themselves. You really want your flex supports (Ana/Bap/Kiri etc) doing as much damage as possible and using their cooldowns to enable aggressive plays. It's always better to take as little damage as you can while still doing your job. You can get a whole extra dps hero worth of damage on your team just by playing cover and not forcing support cooldowns which allows your supports to focus damage. It's the easiest way to rank up on tank right now, learn to avoid taking unnecessary damage.

Tanks also need to learn to hide for 2 seconds when they are discorded. So easy to avoid most of the time. Makes your tanking easier.

Funny enough the best option is junkerqueen because your he hitbox, but all it does it make you die slower

I knew it was gonna be a skill issue when within the first 30 seconds she pushed in hard while she was discorded

actually watching your vids started me on my very determined tank grind edit: 8:29 it’s always tanks fault, never anyone else’s 😔😔

Blizzard: .....I don't see a problem with any of this.

It triggers me that they never get rid of discord by hiding for a couple of seconds

2:15 well not hugging corners and also stop jumping while your aiming and shooting. I think the jumping gives away your aim while you shoot🤷🏼‍♂️ that's my thought. Thoughts?

playing tank in overwatch for me is just watching my hp shields and once they get low get heals it works

You know fear when you play against a Mauga, echo-Mauga and a bastion. I have seen it too many times.

The fact different ranks need different playstyles hurts sometimes Certain high level skills fail to apply in earlier ranks, like in silver you playing corners as a tank isnt nearly as useful as just holding the W key and killing shit but it becomes the opposite later on Certain characters too, like Mauga and Lifeweaver. Both FANTASTIC early on, but they fall off very quickly around platinum Vice versa too, like Lucio becomes a lot more useful later on in ranks because people understand spacing and capturing advantages

I flip-flop between support and tank and I'll admit I'm sometimes guilty of just holding forward as tank sometimes, especially as mauga. However, when I make the switch to support, I notice a lot of my tanks do that as well, regardless of who they are and for practically the entire match.

21:00 I once did a Sigma ult like that on the cart and actually won because it got the whole enemy team up high enought where they couldn't contest the overtime

Does Ashe dynamite trigger Mauga's weapons?

They seem to not know they can lose discord if they break LOS

Ive mained tank since 2016... now i play damg. I didnt even realize how bad tank had gotten til i played a different role.

Typically against these comps I get a Mercy and LW who claim "tank diff" bc their healing is so high when in reality, I needed less healing and more utility such as a Zen and an Ana. OW2 is in a state of expecting your tank to do everything!!

I love counterwatch as a tank, I instant switch when I see the opportunity.

From just the thumbnail suggestion, I'd say Sigma to block and eat as much of that as possible but if he's using everything to not get melted by the entire enemy arsenal then it feels like you just have to get a good or lucky pick to help break through.

I guess the supports pumped all their cooldowns into him 😅

The lack of cover use, is killing me rn.

What if Rien applies a slow effect when he hits targets with hammer?prolly not “fix” the game but fun maybe?

Sigma and venture got the same dental plan 😭😂

Sp ive recently come back to the game and discovered this... Maui wannabe character and yeah it does seem a bit... um... Screwy with him. Sorta. Theres timings. Bith Bastion and Mauga have a specific timing with the bastion Tank mode and Mauga's Cardiac (E) skill. Mauga basically heals himself which puts less pressure on the healers in tow and allows the support roles to pick more agressive support types like Moira or something. Bastion + Mauga DPS will melt face if youre right up against it and theres certain toons for Tank that seem rather... hard countered... Monke is turned to mincemeat at the worst possible level. Its unbelievably bad for Winston. If he jumps in on Mauga or close to him, i will hit E and use both guns and melt his bum so fast that he looks like smooshed banana. And theres nothing Monke can do because even if he drop sheild, done matter, i charge/stun him, and im healing while blast him, so the barrier block heals from ym supports means little when im juicing up 270dps and a healthy chunk of that being converted to HP generation for me. Add bastion to the mix and even Angry Monke is nothing but a damage sponge thats turns to primate soup. Hog is not as bad but for me, is an ult feeder, as i do the same thing to him. Pulling me in is a mistake unless hos team is coordinated with him and they displace me from my group and into theirs. If theyre not coordinated, Hog heals, so do I, i get ult charge and so does he, but im better and melting face and distrupting others while at it, making me far more flexible when fighting on point. Dva is easy to. Once D Matrix is burned up, press E and blast away with bastion backing, its just not stoppable. The tanks that rely on being up close and personal to be a threat tend to melt the fastest. The exception is Rein, whos tough enough to actually outlast the E press on Mauga, but if youve got a bastion also bursting the Rein down with tank mode, its GG no RE for the Tin Can. It forces tanks to not be careless, but it is pretty odd. Mauga's heal is a big issue IMO. I dont think the dmg is an issue if it was possible to hurt him back but the fact i can continue tanking face while blasting and the bastion has no worry be because im covering for him so well with my big pectorals ... see thats the issue. Doom is hard countered. Monke os hard countered. Ball is hard counters. It aint good. But vs Orisa or something? I mean even Sig does ok for me to fight because when fought right, Sig has a way way way better tool kit to mitigate my E press + double minigun jizz. He can stun, barrier AND absorb, all of which will out last my E press and make me very vulnerable. Mauga is also really strong at poking. I ignite twerps all the time for them juicy crits and it will melt just as well at a distance. I sense a possible nerf might be needed there as well. Im just playing randoms, but to some one whos been off-line sincd OW2 came out? Mauga was easy as hell to play. A quick 1 point cap game and i still get a measely 20k+ dmg and 28 kills for a fast sweep. He's good. Maybe a bit... too good.

i usually go jr spams if they got bastion/mauga. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. works better than most other stuff tho. i can usually give us breathing space at least.

The key to playing tank is pick your moments I play almost all the roles *except junkerqueen which is basically a dps with high health* ethier way I STAY ON THE DAMN PAYLOAD unlike all tanks I DONT 1v4*unless reinhieardt because everybody knows you just charge in to get the sneaky pin kill*

As someone who plays Jq, Rein, and Sigma, on Gold 3 (plat 5 was my highest) make sure you use the suc when bastion is espcially using turret. If mauga pushes in then use your shield bc his bullets dont do much against them if he is tryna hit u. You can also disrupt his flow by using good ol R O C K Another important note. USE THE MAP! Playing against the two heroes its best to use your map for cover if ur shield or suck isnt doing much. Also make sure your team knows how to stay behind cover as well. Feel free to use rock on bastion as well if you dont have suc and need a way out without death. As for queen, Use knife especially in bastion for an easy pull for a kill. If ur team knows, they will help kill that mf. Mauga struggles to kill queen bc she isnt built like a freakin wall. Just make sure you strafe and disengage when you can. USE CART! this lil mf is like the saving grace, its such a good way to get cover or to train the enemy around for an easy solo pickin or at the very least a great way to contest. Also see if ur support will go ana.

For real, tanking is a miserable experience right now - all you do is take heat while the rest of the team fk around. As tank, I am literally getting hosed by 3-4 opposing players, so WHY is my team not getting picks? Add to that, if the opposing tank has a Mercy pocket that DPS don't deal with you might as well type "gg" and leave. Nothing worse that *finally* taking out the tank and she gets of a rez off RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR WHOLE TEAM. Opposing Mercy is the carry in so many games that playing becomes an unbalanced war of attrition. 80% of the time you take out Mercy, they will fold. Mauga+Bastion for me would be Zarya - get charge, hose them down, go after the rest of the team. When I have good games as a tank it's always when DPS are actually doing their job. Shitty DPS means tanking will suck for the whole match. I wish the devs ad stuck to the promise of no CC for DPS. That would balance the game out way better.

The funny thing is both Sombra and Sojourn could be REALLY useful against Mauga, if played correctly. I just don't think if most players can play these heroes correctly. Reaper can be really useful against Mauga, that's his niche (busting fat tanks), use him!

Not so bad for ball FINALLY

Lmao this dude standing in front of 5 enemies by himself and wonders why he is having a hard time

its such a shame they went from such a cool / well designed non oppressive tank release in ramattra straight to mauga. its always 1 step forward 2 steps back with blizzard

It's also worth trying to BAIT turret and mauga's E. They are nearly impossible to kill with them, and _really_ squishy without them.

this guy is permanently aiming at feet

Bastion is a hard counter to any tank. Especially mauga.

This is another thing I hate about this game. You're basically not allowed to play the hero you like if you want to also win the match.

I’d be curious to hear through on him not getting rid of discord while playing 3rd point offense. I usually hide behind a corner for a second to get rid of it so you start taking less damage. Is that the right move?

I’m 80% through watching this, and I’ve seen the Mauga being killed…only for then the opposing Mercy then being allowed to Rez the Mauga…think I’ve seen it happen on at least 3 occasions… Why oh why are they allowing the Mercy to do the Rez???…on 3 separate occasions…right at the epicentre of the battle… The tank and DPS should be diving in, to do everything to stop the Rez…

18:44 no one talking about the ana sleep on the valking mercy? also ignoring the mercy when she resurrects in front of you...

what if we gave tanks a scaling health bar depending on how many teammates are alive. I feel like the Tank health bar needs a different mechanic altogether, idk.

That Mercy heal botting upset me more than anything in this video. Not a single blue beam on anyone.

Would I also try to use my damage to create space with someone like Ramattra? I usually poke with him a lot and pop nemesis if I'm getting pushed too much or need extra health, but it'd be nice to know the best way to approach Ramattra since he's my main, and I'd like to improve. Anyone can answer this if they'd like.

he focus only dmg the tank which is healed, he need more focus the stuff behind the tank. he could often killedthe healer behind

5:22 It's both for me.

The sigma face lol love it

Funny. I normally use Sigma to counter mouga and bastion. Didn't know it was wrong. xD Probably works for me because Sigma is one of my best tanks lol Oh, and tank is 100% the worst right now. I hate the dps passive, but I hate even more counterwatch. I stoped playing tank. Just not fun anymore.

Holy shit how many times are you NOT gonna stop the Mercy rez?

I think regardless of the rank if on circuit Royale the enemy team has a sig and you don't you basically kinda just lose, especially on defense. Unless the sig is a lobotomite feeder that doesn't know how the character works.

If they have mauga and bastion, you better be grateful that they dont also have a third tank buster that uses ray damage.

It's painful watching tanks complain that tanking sucks meanwhile they are standing in the open and playing the wrong tank

I think the dps passive SHOULD NOT BE applied to tanks. That's why tank is unplayable right now

i main brawler tanks, its just what im best at so open maps like this i hate until we get in closer

The answer is Ball. Ball is always the answer.

If he had used the accretion on the mercy they would have had a chance.

one thing I nottice is this guy doesn't manage his sheild and chooses to use it as sparing as possible

i feel like i would have a better time playing wrecking ball in mid-high metal comp than unranked and masters+ but its complicated

Man these games are annoying when the enemy team had mauga bastion and reaper

Zen Mauga Pharah combo = easy win

0:16 AND DEY SAY

It seems likes they’re struggling to move and aim at the same time?

He’s just running middle a lot like you said but he’s not paying attention to the discord

Gotta deny rez or kill the mercy, single intersction swings results

Damn, overwatch on console vs pc is like natural vs roided bodybuilding

In their defense tank players have a right to bitch. I mean your whole roll is to just get shot and try not to let your team get steamrolled.

Tank meta has been insufferable since around ana's release, Shield tanks need to vary more - overwatch 2 made it only worse not having a second tank (5v5 wtf blizzard)