ALEX, PLEASE LISTEN TO ME! This is a warning from someone who's been watching you for almost 7 years... There's a very strong debater seeking to destroy you. I just watched his livestream and he said he's figuring you out. He destroyed Matt Dillahunty and forced him to walk away from debate via extreme attacks. This man is extremely good at this and is rather brutal. His name is Andrew Wilson and his channel is The Crucible with 100k subs and he's getting popular by the day. DON'T IGNORE THIS WARNING. STAY AWAY FROM HIM!!!
Alex, debate Charlie Kirk soon if you would please. I think we could learn a lot, Charlie does a very good job articulating his side of things, I think it would be productive. Thanks so much!
What charming person John was, he’s passion for the subjects and infectious smile was really rubbing off on my during the episdoe. Thanks John and Alex
@@alden2205normally I wouldn’t be either. But I just looked at it and the spectrum hit me. It’s almost like an expressionist painting. Now that I notice it though, the guest lighting could use some work 😅
Alex I can see why you're great friends with John, and I do envy you that! His insight is brilliant, he's incredibly articulate, and he just brings an absolute joy and enthusiasm to the discussion
Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Could sense and see the genuine mutual respect between each of them. Thanks for introducing John Nelson to us, or at least myself.
In the gospels Jesus and John the Baptist are nearly the same character. Their mother's are pregnant with them at the same time, both by miraculous means. When the two women meet, John actually responds inside his mother's womb to being near Jesus. But whereas the appearance of Jesus is never described, John is described as very appealing to look at. I personally think that was done on purpose to say, "We're not going to tell you what Jesus looked like, but if you want to imagine he looked like his cousin, John, go right ahead."
You are very likely right, the Gospel of John likes to use plausible denial in what it says. For example the Christ Confessor in John is a woman named Mary and there are hints it is the same Mary at the cave without actually saying it.
@@justchilling704 I'm guessing you actually believe John responded to being near Jesus in his mother's womb. Like, the source material that the gospel writers used totally would have been able to send a camera into her womb with a mic and a speaker on it to ask little John why he did that (Insert sarcasm)
@@isiahs9312 very interesting. For those of us who realize that the gospel writers were not guided by the Holy Spirit to write the gospels, but they were copying from earlier source material, it's easy to see them using characters the same way fiction writers do. There was no one who could have asked John the Baptist why he kicked inside his mother's womb when Jesus was near, even if that actually did happen, there would have been no source material that could justify John motivations, which means the guy who wrote that made up a motivation for that character that would fit into his agenda for writing a gospel in the first place. When Frank Herbert wrote his Dune series, there was a character who could have been the quizatz haderach except for one tiny imperfection. He was a eunuch. He was there when Muadib became emperor, and he was the only one who could have stopped that from happening, but he chose not to. John the Baptist is a similar character. From all appearances he has all the requirements to make a claim that he is the Messiah, but he willfully steps aside when Jesus starts his ministry. It's true that Frank Herbert simply could have been copying the gospels, but what biblical or spiritual reason is there for John to have a miraculous birth if he is not a mirror through which the reader is supposed to get a better look at how the writer wanted his audience to see the Messiah? The gospels don't provide one. It's like God left a plot thread hanging and forgot about it. Not likely a perfect god would be that sloppy.
I studied Theology with John at the University of Nottingham. Very pleasant person and enjoyed long chats. Not surprised he's doing well still in this field.
Alex, just want to say how much I love and appreciate your channel. I'm a devout Roman Catholic who recently returned to the faith 5-6 years ago and found you via Bishop Barron and others whom you've had conversations with. I truly admire your pursuit for truth. Your discussion on Peterson's podcast was EASILY one of his best. Never have we seen someone push him on his religious beliefs, but even more amazing was how respectful and genuinely curious you were in doing it. Bravo.
As a devout Christian, I just have to say be careful. Watch the video he did two weeks ago with Dinesh D'Souza, William Lane Craig earlier this year, and his Oxford Union Speech - God is a Delusion. I've been watching Alex for two to three years. There are many ex-Christians on his site, and I think the way he twists Scripture, he, and those like him are reasons why they leave. In his debate with Dinesh, Alex painted God as a genocidal monster. He also talks about slavery a lot in an attempt to disprove God's morality. He plays on the emotional, and unfortunately, most people these days have a higher emotional IQ than an intellectual IQ. As an ex-Catholic, he is a heretic. He chooses these hard sayings in the Old Testament because these can't be conquered with an audience who knows little about God in a debate. You can only understand some of the actions in the Old Testament by connecting them with the whole of the Bible and not in isolation. I used to like him a lot until I started watching what he was doing. He is shrewd, clever, and more devious than Hitchens because he comes as a sheep in wolf's clothing. You will see what I mean if you watch more of his videos. But I recommend spending more time with Bishop Barron, Fr Mike Schmitz, Trent Horn, and many others rather than watching someone who brain-washes those who don't know their Bible well.
As a devout Christian, I just have to say be careful. Watch the video he did two weeks ago with Dinesh D'Souza, William Lane Craig earlier this year, and his Oxford Union Speech - God is a Delusion. I've been watching Alex for two to three years. There are many ex-Christians on his site, and I think the way he twists Scripture, he, and those like him are reasons why they leave. In his debate with Dinesh, Alex painted God as a genocidal monster. He also talks about slavery a lot in an attempt to disprove God's morality. He plays on the emotional, and unfortunately, most people these days have a higher emotional IQ than an intellectual IQ. As an ex-Catholic, he is a heretic. He chooses these hard sayings in the Old Testament because these can't be conquered with an audience who knows little about God in a debate. You can only understand some of the actions in the Old Testament by connecting them with the whole of the Bible and not in isolation. I used to like him a lot until I started watching what he was doing. He is shrewd, clever, and more devious than Hitchens because he comes as a sheep in wolf's clothing. You will see what I mean if you watch more of his videos. But I recommend spending more time with Bishop Barron, Fr Mike Schmitz, Trent Horn, and many others rather than watching someone who brain-washes those who don't know their Bible well.
As a devout Christian, I just have to say be careful. Watch the video he did two weeks ago with Dinesh D'Souza, William Lane Craig earlier this year, and his Oxford Union Speech - God is a Delusion. I've been watching Alex for two to three years. There are many ex-Christians on his site, and I think the way he twists Scripture, he, and those like him are reasons why they leave. In his debate with Dinesh, Alex painted God as a genocidal monster. He also talks about slavery a lot in an attempt to disprove God's morality. He plays on the emotional, and unfortunately, most people these days have a higher emotional IQ than an intellectual IQ. As an ex-Catholic, he is a heretic. He chooses these hard sayings in the Old Testament because these can't be conquered with an audience who knows little about God in a debate. You can only understand some of the actions in the Old Testament by connecting them with the whole of the Bible and not in isolation. I used to like him a lot until I started watching what he was doing. He is shrewd, clever, and more devious than Hitchens because he comes as a sheep in wolf's clothing. You will see what I mean if you watch more of his videos. But I recommend spending more time with Bishop Barron, Fr Mike Schmitz, Trent Horn, and many others rather than watching someone who brain-washes those who don't know their Bible well.
As a devout Christian, I just have to say be careful. Watch the video he did two weeks ago with Dinesh D'Souza, William Lane Craig earlier this year, and his Oxford Union Speech - God is a Delusion. I've been watching Alex for two to three years. There are many ex-Christians on his site, and I think the way he twists Scripture, he, and those like him are reasons why they leave. In his debate with Dinesh, Alex painted God as a genocidal monster. He also talks about slavery a lot in an attempt to disprove God's morality. He plays on the emotional, and unfortunately, most people these days have a higher emotional IQ than an intellectual IQ. As an ex-Catholic, he is a heretic. He chooses these hard sayings in the Old Testament because these can't be conquered with an audience who knows little about God in a debate. You can only understand some of the actions in the Old Testament by connecting them with the whole of the Bible and not in isolation. I used to like him a lot until I started watching what he was doing. He is shrewd, clever, and more devious than Hitchens because he comes as a sheep in wolf's clothing. You will see what I mean if you watch more of his videos. But I recommend spending more time with Barron, Schmitz, Horn, and many others rather than watching someone who brain-washes those who don't know their Bible well.
As a devout Christian, I just have to say be careful. Watch the video he did two weeks ago with D'Souza, W. L. Craig earlier this year, and his Oxford Union Speech - God is a Delusion. I've been watching Alex for two to three years. There are many ex-Christians on his site, and I think the way he twists Scripture, he, and those like him are reasons why they leave. In his debate with Dinesh, Alex painted God as a genocidal monster. He also talks about slavery a lot in an attempt to disprove God's morality. He plays on the emotional, and unfortunately, most people these days have a higher emotional IQ than an intellectual IQ. As an ex-Catholic, he is a heretic. He chooses these hard sayings in the Old Testament because these can't be conquered with an audience who knows little about God in a debate. You can only understand some of the actions in the Old Testament by connecting them with the whole of the Bible and not in isolation. I used to like him a lot until I started watching what he was doing. He is shrewd, clever, and more devious than Hitchens because he comes as a sheep in wolf's clothing. You will see what I mean if you watch more of his videos. But I recommend spending more time with Bishop Barron, Fr Mike Schmitz, Trent Horn, and many others rather than watching someone who brain-washes those who don't know their Bible well.
Would it be possible to have a podcast episode with theists from eastern religions (e.g. hinduism or buddhism, jainism, sikhism etc.) or atheists with a hindu/buddhist etc. background?
Alex should not call anyone he cannot challenge on their claims. And it would not be appropriate for Alex to challenge people of other faiths as he'll come across as a white man looking down on other cultures, especially eastern cultures. So I feel he should stick with Christianity and atheism and not examine other faiths on his channel.
No because all the people in the West are to much of a coward to Talk about muhammad.. christianity is constantly mocked and discussed but they are too afraid to do the same with Islam
You can actually discuss how he looked but you can’t draw him Many Hadith discuss how he looked and many quranic verses discuss how other prophets looked Muslims only whine and bitch when you draw prophets
Why is Jesus never portrayed naked in artist's depictions? Jesus was crucified naked. He was baptized naked. And, he was naked at the Last Supper when he washed the disciples feet! Jesus is always portrayed as wearing some sort of awkward diaper in crucifixion art. He's always wearing a bathrobe at his baptism, and wears a tunic when He is kneeling at the disciples' feet. I don't understand the aversion and repulsion to Jesus naked body. Jesus came in the flesh, lived in the flesh, suffered and died in the flesh. And yes, he had male genitalia just like any other biological male. Why does this cause so much discomfort in the religious community?
Very insightful podcast, can't believe I finished the whole thing. Knowing that his descriptions were intentionally left out probably also means that the writers of the gospel were very aware of not letting his message get tainted.
Yes, it wouldn't do to make the author of this psychological war campaign more visible. The gospel message was created by a wealthy Alexandrian satirist who would have been all too recognizable for being so well connected in first century Roman politics. You know him by probably two of his most commonly recognized author pseudonyms..."Paul" and "Josephus.". But he certainly left his dark wit and thematic calling cards all over the four anonymous canonical gospels.
Mostly the literary puppet of Jesus is used for "Josephus'" words, but he also uses this character to voice feigned astonishment from the victim rebel leader Eleazar, and sometimes for Titus who supplants the executed rebel leader as the supposedly "resurrected" messiah.
@@booksquid856 you are creating your own caricature of the gospel writers and paul, to fit your hypothesis on who they were, its quite dishonest to make such bold claims without any reasonable grounds of evidence
the term "cult" is artificially interjected w negative connotations because ppl don't understand that every alliance based on a prescribed theology w the intent to express to the world is a cult. Similar to how negative connotations are artificially attributed to the word "judgement"... the function required for decision making which determines our survival. There are layers upon layers of cults carefully interwoven into the fabric of society. Church and state have always been at the forefront of Cult Culture. So much so, that Church and state are innocuously considered unassailable establishment... Because they are the most effective cults. You are accepted only if you submit to their paradigms. You are rejected if u deny their paradigms. Any system or theology which opposes or circumvents the existing Cult of Church and State is given the "label" of CULT... Which dehumanizes the opposing theology, giving guiltless permission to the CULT of Church and state to "righteously annihilate" the divergent theology. "Citizens"(sla ves) are given numbers like bar codes, because we are a product to them... not a person.
all theology is made by man. The same Christians who abhor pride as a sin say theirs is the ONLY valid perception of the ONE TRUE CREATOR... 😂 THAT THEIR WRITTEN WORDS ARE THE ONLY VALID WORDS OF DIVINITY. 😂 I WAS RAISED AS PAGAN, so I didn't start studying the Bible till recently. I'm almost 40... what did I find? I found that YAHWEH is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR. He is a war God of hypocrisy. Thou shall not kill... Yahweh kills at least 3 million through multiple genocides, including multiple infanticide. Satan kills 10 ppl in the Bible... because he lost a bet to Yahweh, requiring their death. Thou shall not Covet Yet yahweh covets the submission & admiration of all. Thou shall not steal.... But Yahweh encourages his followers to take property, make free men slaves, take enemies virgin daughters. Thou shall not have any Gods before me, yet he is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR. AS EVIDENCED BY HIS PETTY JEALOUSY, as that which created all things has literally nothing to be jealous of, for he is all things. Thou shall not make graven image... Yet the cross is literally a graven image of death & torture. Thou shall not take my name in vain Yet Yahweh vainly attempts to juxtapose HIS name over all of CREATION. ALL NAMES BELONG TO THE ONE TRUE CREATOR, FOR THERE IS NO NAME NOT GIVEN LIFE THROUGH HIS BREATH. The more I read the Bible, the more I see it's theological holes & intended manipulation. Are u sure u want me to keep reading it? At this rate, I will eviscerate the fallacy of Abrahamic religion. We are all brothers. ♥ We are all sons of God. We are all the CHOSEN ONES. We are DEFIANT till the end. We are NOT COMPLIANT, or PRETEND. We exist among & within you. We persist beyond the bounds that bind TRUTH. I AM THE BRIGHTEST NIGHT. I AM THE DARKEST LIGHT... as are we all... So it is, so let it be... All is possible When your mind is free.
I believe In the True unity of the ONE TRUE CREATOR.... WHICH NULLIFIES the concept of Seperation & its incurring inevitable refractions of Sin & Evil. Those who empower the concept of "Satan" w their perception are actually endorsing polytheism... I am a true monotheist. ALL IS ONE & ONE IS ALL. every LIGHT-SEED is a quanta of the ALL-SPARK, & is the jewel of CREATION. Darkness LOVES THE LIGHT IT CREATED. Darkness gently carries the light unto infinity. There is no war, but only a delicate dance of eternal expression within the still motion of the silent sound.
I see "Satanists" as just as weak as the rest of the followers of Abraham, as they all believe God is DIVIDED INTO GOOD & EVIL... and they all worship sin. My divergence in Theism & theology is I do not believe in the concept of "EVIL & SIN". I believe in the True unity of the ONE TRUE CREATOR. The ONE true CREATOR has nothing to be jealous of, For all existence is an extension of his being. All words are HIS WORDS. ALL NAMES ARE HIS NAME. ALL THINGS ARE HIS THINGS. GOD IS NOT DIVIDED. GOD IS INSIDE US. I disagree w the assertion that all ppl know about God is in the bibles... Every sentient singularity has a direct connection to the collective cosmic consciousness through our individual consciousness. This is our birthright. Followers of Abraham, w their broken philosophy, seek to insidiously coerce sentient singularities through mass psychosis & mass Stockholm syndrome nto relinquishing their divine sovereignty unto systems & establishments ( using sin) which insidiously abuse the gift of our divine sovereignty. Followers of Abraham do not OWN the ONE TRUE GOD, despite their vain attempts to weaken the masses through the imposition their fractured perception. If God created all things, then he is intrinsically interwoven into all things, thus nothing is separate from the CREATOR. With separation being a manufactured illusion, so too are the incurring conclusions of seperation... such as Evil, Sin, Devil & blasphemy. God can not be mocked or attacked. Only ones perception of God can be challenged. But ones perception of God can not encompass What God actually is.
One of the very few podcast episodes I have watched in one go! This was fascinating, informative and Dr. Nelson's enthusiasm and visible joy throughout this conversation was contagious ❤️ Thank you so much for making this atheist, who happens to be interested in theology, a bit more aware 😘
I don’t know who that is but today’s Jews look like Ben Shapiro (He did 23 and me and he’s 95% ashkenazi). Not British white, but definitely Italian white (the Caucasus is very much closer to the region than where all the “caucasians” live). The middle eastern types, which nowadays are considered to look like Arabs, don’t come into the picture until the 700’s a.d. which by definition is 700 years after Jesus was born.
In the early days of Christianity they spent a lot of time wondering if Mary's hymen ever broke. Now people spend a lot of time wondering what color Jesus' skin was.
@WhoThisMonkey why do you think so many people say "oh god". Also there are some interesting early texts that claim Jesus could speak fluently and walk immediately after birth.
Hi Alex. It was a pleasure meeting you at Edinburgh Waverley last week. I had just come from the National Gallery which has a number of famous Madonna and Child paintings. It is noticeable that in Renaissance paintings the baby Jesus is portrayed as being a very chubby baby. I read somewhere that there was a theological reason behind this. This was that the artists were portraying the Incarnation and wanted to emphasise the sheer physicality of God made man. Just an observation.
As the gospels were written so late, not written by anyone claiming to be an eyewitness, anonymous authorship, why would we look to the canonical gospels for information about Jesus' appearance? Ummm, growing in stature usually refers to someone's developing reputation or standing (standing being another metaphor).
Hey Alex, I have been watching your videos for a while. Thanks for everything you do. I would love it if you would look into debating Jay Dyer. He studied philosophy as well and is now part of the Orthodox Church.
Absolutely nobody needs to be subjected to Dyers brain dead question begging "argument" whilst he invokes "two dogmas of empiricism" and "Basil of Caesarea" and ham fistedly inserts five paragraphs of words where three would do.
@@DigitalGnosisugh. Unfortunately I agree. For the longest time I wanted to see Alex talk with Dyer as well as Andrew Wilson. It wasn’t until recently through binge watching some of each of them I came to terms with the pointlessness of such conversations. They debate to debate.. their belief systems simply vehicles to get them in front of an opponent. Hope this wasn’t full of spelling and grammatical errors multi tasking on a roof in the blister sun and can’t see much. Well edit later
@@TheHunt-t8o Is Wilson allowed yet by the church to engage in apologetics? I understood that he wasnt permitted to, so had to stick to hist fashy politics.
“God” is reflected in all of physical reality, whether theists or atheists alike. We are the pawn pieces on the game board of the cosmos. It doesn’t matter what Jesus looked like, because he would in every facet look like us…human or non human
It would be lovely to have testimonies of people who have come to the Christian faith having lived an early life in another faith and why on a more "common" level rather than an academic theological level. Its the testimonies of those who made me question my personal faith and encouraged me to pursue the truth and in Christ I found the Truth. I appreciate academical and theological discussions about faith too but testimonies of people accountering God is always the best in my humble opinion. ✝️🙏🏻
I'm a christian, and I don't think I am obsessed to know the actual physical appearance of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...but I would like to know His physical appearance very very much.
With the revival of Shroud of Turin skepticism, I find it surprising this did not come up at all, and its points of similarity in some Eastern Orthodox art
@@John-Lynch scientific fact is the shroud does not match the blood settling (livor mortis) one should find with such cadaver..Not even the Vatican claims it to be genuine..instead they leave it up to gullible believes to decide for themselves..LoL.
@@John-Lynch the impressions on the shroud are not congruent with cadaver related forensic science ..not even the Vatican claims it as the shroud of Jesus...it's only place should be on trash heap with all other nonsense church relics.
Your recent and not so recent videos about Christianity and the veracity of the Bible/Christian tradition have been more than enjoyable, and are critical to philosophical discourse. However, I think a venture into Eastern philosophy and non-duality through a podcast episode may be useful. Might I suggest Bernardo Kastrup!!!
that would be unexpécted , because even the prophet Mohammad didnt look like Mohamed Salah. According to muslim tradition, he was almost hairless and his face was rosy white
@@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname But prophet Mohamed was arab Mohamed Salah is egyptian, maybe he has arab ancestors I don't know but he does look more north african than arab
"The 👑GREATEST MAN in HISTORY" had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today! "His name is JESUS❤"
Many people fit that description of master. No king ever feared him. He did commit a crime. It was against the law to proclaim yourself a king That’s why he was crucified. And when he was crucified he proved he was not a god or a prophet. He proclaimed he would overcome the Roman Empire and free the Jews (that’s what messiah or christ means) within their lifetime, yet he failed. There is zero evidence that he rose from the dead. Even if you were right that he was some of those things you say, it just means many people believed that. It is in no way evidence of divinity. Most of the world, doesn’t believe those things, so by your logic, that suggests he isn’t those things. Plus god, according to the Bible, is an immoral monster. Jesus is god, and god ordered and performed the murder of children many times. You have to have blinders on to think this religion is moral at all, let alone real.
Lord please hear my prayers. As a single mother I’m struggling to provide for my sons both are special needs I’m overwhelmed! Every month is a battle. Jesus help me to overcome my fears. Because as I struggle I am fearful. I trust in you Lord Jesus please give me strength as I struggle to buy groceries and as I struggle to pay rent I know you will make a way. ❤️
Another name for prayer is contemplation. Thinking. To think is to imagine. They are brothers. One is enslaved and one is free. As within, so without. When in contemplation, contemplate perfection where formally you contemplated only imperfection. Like a cloud gathering water droplets. Until it eventually rains. ‘Signs follow they do not precede’ See if your world starts to turn.
In the catholic neighborhood I grew up in all the homes had pictures of Jesus looking at us and he was Viking like - now I understand the nuances of the possible truth !! Great discussion!!
@@johne768Who gives a toss? He very clearly was not what he said he was/others said of him...decades after the alleged event by means of discordant texts with no original copies..etc etc etc
@bertrandrussell894 LOL 😂 Paul's Epistle of Corinthians were written within 10 -15 years of Jesus crucifixion and as he says many of the more than 500 witnesses to Jesus Resurrection were still alive. Paul 's experience of going blind from the Damascus road encounter convinced him( a hostile witness at Jesus trial and Crucifixion ) as he was associated with the Sanhedrin. Try again buddy!!!
I am so thankful to have been exposed to & practiced so many religions. I can wholeheartedly say Buddhism is the closest to a humanist, common sense practice to actually perceive our true self & therefore make fundamental changes here on earth. ❤
@@romh7261 Yes! I suppose you could say I’ve practiced it indirectly? Buddhism is very similar to pantheism. I don’t believe in an outward deity. The Buddha (God) is within us. (:
@leonb4862 What a great comment! Yes, too much for YT. My mind exploded reading it, 😝 to many thoughts flooded my brain. Better for me to talk in person.😊
With the Statistical and Proactive Analysis of an Inter-Laboratory Comparison: The Radiocarbon Dating of the Shroud of Turin that came out I’m surprised it wasn’t discussed here.
*Iraqi jews are too white to Jews from southern middle east like Egypt or Jerusalem. So, assuming that Jews in Iraq are like Jews in Bethlehem is a wrong at your quotation in **08:30** which is assuming that Arabs in Iraq look like Palestinians in Gaza and Egypt. There is a spectrum of darkening tone of semitic race as you approach to the heat and the sun of the equatorial weather. So, the more you come near to equator the darker you get. That means that Jesus was darker than even Iraqis. That is why that part of the world or middle east is called an extension of Africa by many*
haha so funny im british the pakistani will not r4pe my mother haha manchester city so cool bro getting slaughtered and replaced in my own country. haha im british make fun of jesus in the internet while my country is a shithole haha im british
Yep he most likely would have looked like an average man in the Middle East/Levant at that time. I’m pretty sure he was described in the Bible is not remarkable or noticeably distinct in anyway from the people of Roman Judea. So most likely tan/olive skin, black/dark brown hair and brown eyes. But it’s impossible to know for sure
The thing about Isaiah 52 and 53, does that describe Jesus before the passion or does that describe Jesus after being beaten for the crucifixion and thus explaining why perhaps he was not recognizable after the resurrection because his face had been beaten so badly that it did not even look like him anymore?
Yes there is some evidence to support that Jesus was indeed a historical figure given that historians have a few neutral based textual sources that reference him like Tacitus and Josephus. However, any story referencing his miracles and resurrection are likely just legendary.
Who could ever fully capture the heavenly beauty in an earthly image? Not in the beauty of the representation of Jesus, nor in the colour, nor of the brush is the greatness of Jesus image, but in his grace.
Surely this laids to rest forever that the shroud of Turin can't be positively identified as Jesus's shroud as there are no images or descriptions of how he actually looked.
@@grandamadain No seething here, anymore than I seethe at the idiots who believe the world is flat which, I grant, is ever so slightly less plausible than the Shroud being genuine.
The problem with looking at the picture and seeing it as anything other than Elon Musk, is that because it was suggested first, autosuggestion will no doubt play a huge role in our interpretation. Whereas, if we were just shown it without any mention of Elon Musk, less people would reach that conclusion.
When are you going to publicly speculate on the facial/physical appearance of Prophet Muhammed? Oh is there some problem discussing this topic publicly that isn't there in Christianity?
Alex I love your content! Disclaimer: I’m a Christian - I don’t know why I feel the need to disclose that. Anyways, it would be cool to see you have Stephen Meyer on your show! Keep up the good work!
As a Christian, I would recommend getting interpretation of Scripture from a Christian -- not an atheist. I've seen many videos where Alex twist Scripture and unless you really know the Bible, I recommend getting information from Christian apologists.
And yet you still found the time to say something? It’s a PhD in Biblical Scholarship; the topic was on Jesus’ appearance. Try to learn about what you don’t understand before making ignorant, underhand comments.
That doesn't help at all considering how diverse the modern Israelis are. Doubtful that he looks like the European Isreali Settlers, but he'd probably look like an Arab Isreali.
The private school where I was teaching English in Taiwan had bought a Catholic girls school, and the chapel had to be deconsecrated. After that, my boss and I were cleaning it out, until he turned to me, holding a painting, and asked in a puzzled tone what a Catholic church was doing with a picture of Kuan Yin, the Chinese version of the Buddhist goddess of mercy. I realised it was a Chinese styled depiction of Mary and the Baby Jesus.
Yeah, the linen was determined to be produced somewhere around 1260 CE -1390 CE, and the appearance of the body was painted using a red and green pigment. The idea of the shroud is super fascinating, but unfortunately it seems fairly unlikely that we will find something we can verify as belonging to the dead Jesus
I'm surprised Judas isn't mentioned. The fact Roman authorities didn't know what he looks like itself tells us a lot. Jesus/Yeshua was an average looking male for his time and place, nothing remarkable to his Roman occupiers nor the Jewish authorities. Until he caused them problems
It's stupid that Christians argue about what did Jesus look like. I'm Christian and to me it's not important what did He look like, was He short, was He middle eastern or white. It's important that He rose from the dead, died for my sins and left the Gospel.
But he was a failed prophet who claimed he would free the Jews from Rome in his lifetime. It didn’t happen. He was killed because he claimed to be king, which was against the law. Xtians say he is god, but Yahweh often murder children or ordered the murder of children. You can’t have it both ways. Jews rejected him, because he failed. They were just in their opinion. Believing in zombies is childish, believing in a heaven where everything is perfect is childish. Believing that a criminal can say a few words and have his crimes erased is really a terrible belief. If someone killed your child, then begged for forgiveness to someone else, is that fair or moral, for him to be let off, meanwhile a good person who isn’t convinced by this story, goes to hell instead? It’s all remedial, childish thinking. 1:04:16
As an atheist I would say that it should be important in sense that he did have a concrete physical appearance and that we do not know it. (Unless a time traveler makes a photo.) I'm not saying people coming up with images or descriptions are inherently wrong or bad Christians (not my place to judge), but if they claim certainty they are most likely wrong.
Hi Alex, I really enjoyed the locus of the last two podcasts. Is suppose you and your guest are situated in the same room (but I think there are reasons for thinking the opposite) - if in fact this is one and the same room, could you give us shots with both, you and your guest in the frame simultaneously? Thanks for your work. You are an admirable and competent man.
By the 4th. Century Christianity had overtaken the Roman Empire to the extent that the Roman Emperor's mother was a Christian who became Saint Helena. "September 14th is the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross (also known as the Triumph of the Cross). Early in the 4th century St. Helena, mother of Roman Emperor Constantine, went to Jerusalem in search of the actual locations where the events of Jesus' life took place. She found the True Cross which immediately became an object of veneration for the Church. Constantine built a basilica on Calvary marking the site of the Crucifixion and dedicated it on this day in the year 335 A.D. The basilica was later destroyed by the Persians and the true cross was stolen. This day also marks the recovery of the cross by Emperor Heraclius II who returned it to Jerusalem, carrying it on his own back and restoring it to the Church in 629 A.D."
Jesus was pale, the sun made his skin a bit darker. You would still consider him white, but when standing next to an actual european it would become quickly apparent that he is of the semetic people. That being said, this is Jesus, its no surprise that the being of which everyone was created through would actually be a remarkable summarization of the entire human race. He has aspects of all in him. Personality and looks included.
@@PrinceTerrien Until you understand that the Bible is really about a genetic war that's been going on for thousands of years. Judging by your name, I know which side you're on. The meek shall inherit the Earth- as Jesus _prophesized_ .
@@PrinceTerrien The meek shall inherit the Earth. The Bible is very much about a genetic war. A battle between _species_ (not black and white, Nephilim and human). I quite like being human in the way God created me. The genetic engineering, sinful dating practices, technology altering the body, between all these things its aim is to create what _you_ want. A "beautiful" God. But really, you want the Übermensch.
I see his appearance every morning, sometimes he's coming in the clouds, sometimes he's the bright morning star, but he's always been the light of the world, our risen savior, the sun of god, and the sun of man.
He's a middle eastern man. Is it okay that you are worshipping a middle eastern man? The same race of people who are allegedly currently "invading" and islamizing Europe?
It’s interesting this dude always talks about Christ, and not the largest religion and fastest growing, Islam. Although he’s atheist , he loves getting clicks and causing a stir about Christian. Makes you wonder
Its hardly surprising, he was brought up in a country with a christian history, where the state religion is christianity. He is almost certainly more familiar with the bible than he is with the quran. I know because all the above applies to me too.
What does it matter what he looked like? We don’t even have independent contemporary evidence that he existed. All that exists are biblical accounts written decades later. Accounts that anyone could make up.
Exactly wrong. The fact that humans care so much is the issue, did you not listen? Ancient biographers were obsessed with the physical nature of characters, as are we. The fact that you’re so lofty and above it, is what is irrelevant.
Great discussion. Thanks. I'm no PhD philosopher but it seems to me "the significance of depicting Jesus as male" is that everything written about him describes him as male.
Muslims believe in Jesus (as a prophet). Muslims also believe in the same Canaanite God, Yahweh. From my understanding, as an ex-Christian and now Norse pagan, Muslims don't bother to put faces with names because that would become idolatry.
@@grantgardson they kiss a black stone, i think that is idolatry. problem is there is 0 evidence that mohamed existed and less evidence that mecca existed in the 7th century. just a death cult to keep people in check so what would Alex have to speak about?
You can't honestly believe that blacks built pyramids that Jesus was black lol show me one shred of evidence from history where blacks ever built anything and I'm not saying this to be racist when we found you and you say we took you as slaves 500 years ago which we didn't by the way your own people in the Arabs were trading you to us for blankets and things like that but neither that's neither here nor there you guys did not even have the wheel 500 years ago or any structures no calendar no written language no vocal language you clicked for words you clicked your tongue so stop this that you guys built anything and that you were God himself walking the earth and you were the apostles stop it there were no black people in the Middle East at the time Jesus was a Palestinian Jew he probably looked about like Ben Shapiro with a beard is what he looked like lol so let's be real here Plus he was God he could look like whatever he wanted to look like cuz I am a believing Christian I'm not a Bible thumper but I am a believing Christian and he could look like whatever he wanted to look like he could have been Asian if he wanted to but he most certainly was not a sub-Saharan black someone having a tan does not make them black Black people have tried to latch on to that that if you help I guess I'm black then I have a tan lol My God it's unbelievable that you guys say these things blacks never built no pyramids they look go look at the Egyptians now That's what the Egyptians look like you can see it on the walls they're not black My God@user-uc8jo4nq1p
