What Did the Early Church Believe About the Rapture? // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS 

I was taught the pre-trib rapture in every church I went to. Most churches I'm aware of teach it. When I realized the truth, I felt very sad. The church has been deceived on this topic, as well as the "once saved, always saved". Most of my friends are pre-trib and will not even listen to FAI. They are in for a rude Awakening when they ultimately learn the truth. I am so thankful God opened my eyes to this truth. Thank you for your teaching!

People tend to listen to "authorities" for what they believe. Researching is hard work, and not everyone knows how to do it. I think this is why it's important to go to the Best Teacher - The Holy Spirit. We don't have to be learned, scholarly people to know. Thank you for all you do Joel!

I can't imagine the time it took to compile these proofs. Thank you, Joel, for your dedication to preaching the truth. You are right...the truth matters!

I was taught pre-trib in the 80's but my own reading of the Scriptures led me to think otherwise. Thank you for doing the hard work of researching what the Early Church writers believed. God bless you.

Your approach is sober and in sound doctrine. Amen

Jesus said " will I find faith when I return." What a better way to errode faith than to pollute the Church with a false hope. How many will fall away when it doesn't come true.

Plain reading of the Scriptures gives plain truth. Read the Word, test the spirits, and be vigilant until Yeshua returns.

This is not boring at all. God bless

I gave a very loving church a second chance recently after a year and a half. They had some funky teachings and entertained some questions I wasn't willing but the church is fruitful and a have the love of God truly in them. Unfortunately I showed up this last Sunday and they were playing FAI studios clips like this and many others as an example of false teachings on tribulation and rapture. They never said structurally how they were wrong but just showed them to shock the congregation into discomfort over possibly having to endure tribulation. I mentioned to the pastor after the service that fai studios had pre challenged him by saying they would debate anyone who disagreed with he content of the videos and I would let them know he'd be in touch. He got very mad and said to not bother and stormed off. The looks I got from that loving church questioning they're safety of being to special to endure persecution was very telling and very revealing of how the church will turn against their own in the last days.

Expose the lies in the church my brother 🙏 Shine light in the darkness

Thus a good reason to question everything that is taught or promoted by pretribulation rapture scholars/ teachers.

Wow. What a marvellous study. I am looking forward to the series. I feel this is what true Bible study is all about. (And no, it’s not boring at all).

So encouraging to see someone covering this topic. Especially in the days, we are now living in. It saddens me so much to see how many believe in the false doctrine of a pre-trib Rapture. Father God May your will be to open their eyes so that they may truly SEE. ♡♡♡

Watching from Shillong, Meghalaya, India.

Thank you for this teaching. Looking forward to the series.

We had to learn English first before we could "grasp" the pre-trib theory People who read, left to right, top to bottom (unless it's hebrew;) will never "deduct" pre-trib May His Spirit of Truth continue to be upon your awesome ministry!!!!

good job Joel. Keep up the great work that the Lord is doing through you

John Darby and Scofield started all this

Howdy folks, hopefully is having a great day. MARANATHA

Praise God for you Joel. Keep up tge good work.

I heard Robert Jefferies this morning on radio say the first resurrection as referred to in Rev 20 would happen in stages, how absurd this is.

Thank you.

My man, I love your boldness!

Awesome lecture ty!

Please debate with Jack Hibbs, as he is leading a huge number of the church, down the wrong path and will not be in readiness for the great tribulation. HE IS TEACHING FALSELY, AGAINST GODS WORD.

Always enjoy your teachings

Many think there's a difference between the church and the people of Israel (Gods people). But as we are grafted in, we are also Israel. Jacobs trouble is also for us. Rejoice in tribulation 🙏

Thank you Joel for all your hard work and dedication to teaching truth. God bless you and your family. Maranatha ❤️

Hey Joel...if you haven't already, try eating some Durian! It stinks too but tastes great. I thank GOD for you, your ministry, for all of the FAI team and their hard and dangerous work for the Lord. I was taught, and believed, in the pre-trib. almost all of my Christian upbringing. Thanks for clearing my vision, sir! Will be praying for your ministry's continued success.

I love these lessons.

Pretrib is how so many will be deceived and explains, in part, the falling away. I pray for those that are waiting and saying “any day now”….every day. It will be sad for them and the church when they realize they in fact are still here. God said endure til the end. By believing that one will be just taken away for no reason leads me to believe that God is allowing these people to be deceived. He wants his true and faithful children that are willing to die for him. I would in Jesus name for the Glory of God amen ✝️ Isaiah 44:18 They do not know, nor do they understand, for He has smeared over their eyes so that they cannot see and their hearts so that they cannot comprehend.

I love studying the Ante Nicene Church

Just finished it on the app. Good info to just learn and know.

I really enjoyed this video!!! It was very well covered and explained.

Good stuff, Joel

God bless you brother. Thank you🙏🏽❤️

I thank you for spending this time teaching on this. I am constantly meeting believers who believe in a pre trib rapture. I see them falling away when persecution comes as they will be spiritually unprepared to endure. We need this arrow of truth in our day now to sharpen up our walk with God !! Keep teaching it :)

I can relate to what Joel ate. We black folks eat chitterlings(pig intestines). It smells horrible, but I like it. I don’t eat it much anymore, but I can relate! My children & grandchildren thinks it’s disgusting, accept one of my children like it. Between my children and grandchildren, which there are 17 of them, only 1 like it. 😂

How how how how could you have come to Stockholm, Sweden and I didn’t know about this?!? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 How did this happen?!? Really sad about this.

Thank you Joel. Gid bless you

One thing I’ve found that my pre-trib brothers and sisters often say is “Come Lord Jesus” when implying the rapture, though Scripture says His return will be post-trib. It had me thinking that a pre-trib view is dogmatic because it’s a Me-centered doctrine. Save me is held higher than Christ’s 2nd coming, though I don’t think that’s their intent. It they truly meant “Come Lord Jesus” based on Scripture they would know that comes with enduring. Just something I’ve observed. Bless you all and Joel, for your study and unapologetic stance.

Just a heads-up... the last video before this is episode 15, and the description says that but it says 14 again in the thumbnail/title screen of the video. Can be confusing.

The Question should really be "What did the Early Church believe about the Harpazo! Remember that the Early Church was not English! Remember the Early Church spoke Greek! Remember the Early Church were told by Paul that when the Parousia / Coming of Jesus takes place, then we will Partake in the Resurrection and then we will be Together "Harpazo" up into the Clouds so as to Meet Church! The Early Church that spoke Greek, knew exactly what the Greek Word "Harpazo" meant and they all knew how it was always used in the Greek Language! Lets all Learn what Harpazo means and then Repeat as Paul did Prophesy about our Lords Coming and the Resurrection and the our being Together Harpazo up into the Clouds so as to Meet Jesus! Too many today have changed what Harpazo means and they have also changed what Rapiemur and Rapture means as well. Paul certainly never ever Taught a Pre Trib Coming of Jesus nor a Pre Trib Harpazo that will as we all know only ever take place after the Resurrection!

I used to take the position that we should stop trying to figure out the man of sin, and learn to put to death of the sinful man staring through the mirror. Solomon says he that controls his own faculties is mightier then one who takes a city

Scripture tells us the rapture is after persecution and the great tribulation: In Revelation 20:4,5, John sees the souls of those who were beheaded for refusing to take the mark of the beast or worshipping his image during the great tribulation, and he says they are part of the first resurrection: KJV Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. "This is the first resurrection" is pertaining to verse 4. How do we know that? Because the 2nd resurrection is at the end of the 1000 years: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". Now, what happens AFTER the first resurrection, which includes people beheaded for not worshipping the beast during the reign of the antichrist in the great tribulation (Rev 20:4)? Let's look at scripture: KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. It says the Lord descends from Heaven first ("For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven"), then the first resurrection ("and the dead in Christ shall rise first"), which involves those who were beheaded for refusing the antichrist during the great tribulation (Rev 20:4), and THEN the rapture at the end ("Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds") Scripture is clear.

This is gonna make some angry.. pre tribbers insist that pre trib goes back to early church and its not relatively new

Very well explained. Thank You!

I have always been pre trib rapture but this year I have felt led to challenge that and read the Bible for my self and ask God to teach me what His word says. Can I ask, how close to the tribulation do you think we are?

Tertullian also discusses the church's persecution in 'Prescription Against Heretics', chapter 4. I believe there is a Tertullian quote of, "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church."

How interesting that the 1830's is the origin date of the 'rapture' teaching. So many false doctrines originate from this time frame. Joseph Smith, Ellen White just to mention a few. Just as a new Christian reading the Bible as a child the scriptures make the truth of the false teaching of pre trib so clear. ❤

✟ But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him. Habakkuk 2:20 (KJV)

Thankyou for all the content and info presented in your video - i can't say that i agree with everything but only because i haven't done my research fully and I'm still working through my pre-conceived ideas 👍🤝🙏

My husband lost his sense of taste after having Covid. Maybe I can get my hands on a can of the rotten fish and see if that revives the taste buds from the dead 🤔

I had a dream one night that nations were rising against Israel, and they were surrounding it's borders. I ran to my Mom's house and found them watching the news, and we all just knew.... this was the battle of Armageddon. We were taught that was the sign of the rapture being near. We went to church that night, and we were surprised to find that the church was open 24/7, and everyone was waiting patiently to be raptured. I found it odd that people were sitting there with suitcases and worldly treasures because after all, weren't we leaving this world soon? I stepped into the next room over, and there was a guy sitting alone in the corner of the room all by himself at a white folding table. As I walked over, people were scoffing him and telling me not to talk to him. I debated it for a second and decided to walk over anyway and see what he had for sale on his table. He said take one of these books, you'll need it. I said what is the book and how much is it. He said it's free. I picked it up and opened it and it was a plastic, bubble style book that you see babies teething with, and when I opened it... it lit up on the inside of the pages so you could read them in the dark. I said what is this and kind of laughed thinking, okay, this is why people told me to not talk to you.... he said it's a manual of all of the signs, trumpets and bowls of judgment so you'll know when Jesus' return is near. I said he's returning any minute, what do you mean?.... that's when I read the cover of the book and it said The Rapture, The Great Deception. It's like I went through a time warp because I took the book, turned around and it was after the mark of the beast and everyone refusing the mark was starving. Some were humble but sad, watching their children share a single plate while they starved. Some men and women were crying at the sorrow of watching their families starving. But some were scoffing God and mad because they were lied to and now faced trials and tribulations that they were told they could escape. This caused a falling away of people from the church and God. Needless to say, I woke up and was pretty irritated that I had that dream. It didn't match anything that I had known about Revelations. It wasn't until I heard a guy on coast to coast years later that was explaining post trib and why pre trib was a Great Deception. I'm thankful that I was given that dream. That was about 15 years ago. Just sharing my dream with you all. Sorry it's so long.

Thanks Joel! Used to be a Pre Tribber but have been a Post Tribber for about 30 years now. Heard Jack Hibbs make a distinction between The Day of The Lord and The Day of Christ meaning the former is a time of wrath and suffering vs the latter meaning a day of deliverance in his latest Sunday sermon. Do you feel there is the distinction proposed by him??

I was taught the pretrib doctrine in the Assembly of God growing up however as a child it never fit or made sense when I read it for myself. Can’t wait to meet you this summer! Let God arise and his enemies be scattered!

Its amazingly SAD that so many so called "christians" believe anything they hear. They are too lazy to search the bible for answers and whatever tickles their ears they believe. Very Sad!! Esp. now when their worlds will come crashing down very soon. Yes I was duped into the thought of a pre trib escape, but then I began to search and question that using scriptures like 2 Thes 2:1-4, Mt 24:29-32. etc. I began to study the greek difference between wrath and tribulation/trials. In Rev. and Mt.24 we are told several times that he who endures will be saved. Why would we be told to endure....if we are already gone.

You’ve got way too many commercials going on on here. I tried to watch,….but it’s nearly impossible due to the amount of interruptions.

I had a hard time holding on to the pre-trib rapture belief when I was first born again. I once asked a minister I was studying with this question, "Is it ungodly to donate organs" She asked me why I would even think that, I said, "When the rapture takes place you wouldn't want some unsaved person who received a Christian's heart to drop dead when the heart was reclaimed." She said, "leave it to you to come up with something like that."

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥::: It’s AMAZING how so many people have taken the WORD OF GOD and make MILLIONS ! What did Jesus do ? Just curious !

Didn't yhe 1st century church think the rapture/ harpazo would be in their lifetime?

At the last trumpet.

Joel, you go around the mountain just to get to the other side and go down too many rabbit trails and holes!

You need to stick it to jack hibbs he is now really going full core pre trib

Just out of curiosity because I am new to this channel, does FAI associate itself with a particular denomination or doctrine of faith. For example, does FAI lean toward an Arminian, Calvinist, or some other theology system, and does FAI affiliate as Baptist, Methodist, etc? I am just wondering so I can get an idea of what you believe Biblically. I just want to get to know this channel and its statement of faith. I read a lot of books by different denominations and watch videos from different denominations so long as they are true to Scripture. The areas where they diverge from the Bible I just pay that stuff no mind but realize I can learn from many sources so long as like I said what they are teaching is in agreement with the Holy written Word of God. I am trying to learn. As for me, I personally identify as a Reformed Faith similar to guys like R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, C.H. Spurgeon, A.W. Pink, etc.

How do you get this information about the early church fathers?

We get to face our captor with our Redeemer!

This is the same excellent detailed open approach used by mike winger

WOW! THAT IS AMAZING! In your very introduction you said something very profound to me.... Long story short, I was really struggling with some things( not sins) and it took a deep study into the doctrine of Righteousness by Faith in order for me to come out of it and be released from a RELIGIOUS spirit! It didn't come easy! I searched the Scriptures and let the Holy Spirit show me the truth...I fought between what I had heard and say under, and what I was finding in the Word. When I was completely convinced BY THE SCRIPTURES, and settled it in my heart that THE WORD was right..and what I had been told was wrong..I said to God...ok. Then I said " Well, if this is right...then what about the Rapture? Do you know what the response was from the Holy Spirit? Plain as day..he said to me- "WHEN DID THE PRE- TRIBULATION RAPTURE BEGIN TO BE PREACHED?" ( almost exactly what you said in the into!) This was such a profound question to me, and one that I had NEVER thought to ask myself! ( I was a pre-trib rapture believer myself at the time..but I did have questions, obviously). This question from the Spirit set me on a journey...and after much study, I have not believed in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory since...that was like 17 years ago or more. I thank God that you guys are being bold, but kind, and trying to help others to see the truth. I do not have many friends now in the church community because of my view on this. But my concern is that THE BELIEF IN THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY WILL HELP LEAD SOME, A GREAT DEAL MAYBE...FURTHER INTO APOSTASY. Let's pray that those who have ears to hear will hear... before it's too late. Blessings.

That was soooo awesome! Do you think this pre trib is the Great Delusion?

Very good brother. Enjoyed the teaching.

I just found this channel. Within the last year, after years of reading my Bible all the way through every year starting in 2010 I have stopped believing in the pretrib rapture due to I noticed I saw no mention of it anywhere in Scripture. The other clincher for me is Christ's words when He stated He would return after the tribulation of those days in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. I also began questioning the pretrib rapture when I began to question why preachers were interpreting certain passages in favor of the pretrib rapture when the Scripture they were referring to gave no clear or obvious reference to a pretrib rapture. I have heard for years that Revelation 4 teaches the pretrib rapture. When I read that chapter, there is no reference or reason to think that chapter is speaking of a rapture of the church, let alone a pretrib rapture. I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say on this subject. I will check out your other videos in this series as well. I learned a while back that the pretrib rapture theory did not come about until around 1830 or so. J.N. Darby, I learned was the one that really got the pretrib rapture teaching started and made it popular through preachers like Moody and Scofield, etc.

Hopefully the pre-trib believers won't lose their faith when they find themselves in the Great Tribulation... also, hopefully they won't take the Mark of the Beast because they won't recognize that they have entered the Great Tribulation period, wrongly thinking they will be raptured "out of here" before that period begins!

I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep! At least three or four of us will make it through and be changed in the twinkle of an eye! Comfort each other with this blessed hope..., or something like that.

I’m not a staunch pre Tribber. But I can’t imagine Jesus would allow His Bride to face the rest of the Trib… last 3 1/2 years.. what an unimaginable test for Believers. I do believe we will face the AC who is currently on the scene.

Can someone explain revelation 2:22 please? The Lord says that people will be able to escape the tribulation to come if they repent.

Keep teaching Truth! It's irresponsible and dangerous to teach pretrib especially right now. ❤

Read John 11 1 thru 25 martha makes it very clear here Saying I know Ill see my brother Lazarus again in the resurrection on the last DAY revelation 20 verse 6 says blessed and holy is he who takes part in the first resurrection no pre trib its post my brothers and sisters

I have a book by David Bercot I think every Christian should have, 700 topics of what the Early Christians believed.

How about writing a book that refutes the book "Dispensationalism before Darby"?

You were very thorough in looking at the church fathers in the assertion of a post tribulation rapture. Based on that assertion, how then do you interpret 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9, which speaks specifically about the day of the Lord?

I never believed in a pre-trib rapture. I always felt like it was a cop out. But then again, I don’t expect every Christian to have tough skin.

It’s also awesome how all the early Church fathers agreed about everything being nations apart writing same teachings up until around 400 A.D. once the Church started merging with the world’s government in the west things started getting fouled up. While the eastern Church even to this day pretty much stayed the same, they even still use the Septuagint. Which the Apostles quote 90% from the Septuagint.

Interesting to know Christians had head covering tradition taught by the Apostles way before Islam.

Is there anything to consider as to the traditional marriage in the Jewish (Hebrew)faith about snatching away or kidnapping the bride in relation to the Rapture. I think it does relate. I have friends who believe it is for 7 years and personally believe that perhaps 3.5 years into the tribulation timingwise for a Rapture to occur

There’s no passage in the Bible stating a pre-tribulation rapture. However, there are many passages stating a post-tribulation rapture. The pre-tribulation camp gets lost in semantic even saying that what Jesus said in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 is for the Jews not the Church. But Jesus himself told us in Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭& Mark‬ ‭16‬:‭15 that everything is for the Church!

Revelation 20:4-6 was the final selling point for me on a post tribulation rapture. If this is the 1st resurrection, what was the resurrection 7 years earlier.

I’ve always understood that the ApostleJohn was saying the anti Christ would have a like spirit of Nero Caesar.

Hi Joel, thankU for Ur work ..so, at Rom11:25 ..Israel is in blindness until the number of Gentiles is full ..and the subtext send to Rev7:9 ..a great multitude of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues etc. For me this is about the number of gentiles, the fullness of the gentiles ( belivers& martyrs) and also at Rev6:9,10,11....but some say its about the jews from among all nations, tongues etc. So, which is it? ThankU.

Read 'Recent pre-trib findings in the early church fathers' by Lee Brainard.

Where is the full teaching on this. There must in some order, such as lesson one, two, ect: Thank you.

How can two agree unless they both are walking in the straight and narrow path?

Listen to sermons by Pastor Sam Adams from Independence Baptist Church (Ocala, FL) on this issue. Many good sermons on this issue plus covers other things happening in the world.

Who are your sources for the "early church?" Ante-Nicene fathers? Please state your sources.

'But it appears that Irenaeus of Lyon (120-202) was a pre-tribulationist. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John) and articulated his eschatological views in Against Heresies, Book 5. First, he referred to Enoch’s translation and Elijah’s being “caught up” as previews of the Rapture. “For Enoch, when he pleased God, was translated in the same body in which he did please Him, thus pointing out by anticipation the translation of the just. Elijah, too, was caught up [when he was yet] in the substance of the [natural] form; thus exhibiting in prophecy the assumption of those who are spiritual, and that nothing stood in the way of their body being translated and caught up.”[4] Second, Irenaeus refers to the Church’s being “caught up” before the tribulation. “And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be’ (Mat 24:21). For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”[5] The italicized “this” in his quotation is clearly a reference to the tribulation, which he then introduces.' truthandtidings . com/2020/07/the-rapture-a-pre-darby-rapture/

The first part of the tribulation is peace right?

Mr Richardson says that we must rely on scripture foremost for understanding. I agree! Well, to fit his presupposition, with the problem of 7 bowls of wrath yet not outpoured, Mr Richardson speculated in a previous 'session' that it could be Jesus whom pours the bowls out. Well, scripture plainly states that 7 angels hold and then pour out those 7 bowls. That's crystal clear! (Rev 15:7; 16:1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12, 17) So Mr Richardson's previous statement that it may be Jesus whom pours out these bowls clearly and directly contradicts scripture! That this is so should alert true Christians whom are indwelt by the holy spirit and study scripture! Do true teachers of the Way contradict scripture? Do false teachers contradict scripture?

'Concluding Analysis Critics of rapture history who have argued that belief in the pretribulational rapture was not embraced before John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) deny the clear testimony of theologians and commentators of earlier periods. The clear statements of Pseudo-Ephraem, John Gill, and others now make clear that pretribulationism has had a long and credible history of people who understood it,, taught it, and who lived their lives in light of it.' THE RAPTURE IN TWENTY CENTURIES OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION James F. Stitzinger Associate Professor of Historical Theology

What churches do not teach the rapture beliefs??? We can't find a church!!! Super frustrating when most churches push the rapture theory.

Ezekiel chapter 13 god said do not teach my followers to fly