What Do Builders REALLY Think of Ryobi? 

same lol

Imagine if a Mafell or Festool track saw caught Gaston with a Ryobi!

Gaston sells quality tools only

Literally, every chippy will do this

Here In Australia , the distributor does not display this tool. I have never seen it in the plastic so I cannot comment. In the review it seemed to have a better cut than the makita 40v. Was this because of the age of the blade and its geometry? Were both tracks clamped down for the test between the makita and ryobi and were the saws tuned to the splinter guards? If not then why not, and how would the straitness and cleanness of the cuts be? Certainly, when I first thought of a saw which fully enclosed the blade when the cut was complete, 60 years ago, I was using a black and decker drill with a b and d saw bolted on and the results were horrific and I never used the saw accessory again. From your test, one man said that the rail cut out in the base would wear as the base was made of plastic. I doubt if I would outlay the ryobi price if I knew that would happen. Would it happen? How solid is the plastic base? Does it twist under pressures involved with making a cut on its rail? COME ON SCOTT AND CO! FAIR CRACK OF THE WIP! GIVE US A FAIR GO! Let us have this test again with all these questions answered.

gently abused..

@@runejakobsen7046 Massively verbally abused.

So...one that has ONLY been thrown across the work site once?

Maybe autographed.

Just no.

We can hide in the corner together

​@blackhellebore89 do i have to hide in a seperate corner because I have a shed full of mostly ozito tools?

i feel like ozito is a better choice than ryobi (and i have a lot of ryobi tools, because I wasnt paid enough to buy anything decent when i had a tool allowance, ha!) @@myopinion69420

I COULD NOT stop laughing!!🤣😂

@@myopinion69420 Years ago Ozito were the budget brand where you used it for one or two projects and tossed them out when they inevitably broke. However, their tool quality has improved a lot. I have Ozito sanders which I bought with the intention of replacing once I broke them. I have been using them for ages, hooked up to a dust vac and done things like sanding plaster, which is supposed to kill sanders prematurely, but the darned things just keep going. Dust extraction is decent enough, only criticisms are that they are rather noisey and vibrate a lot, but all sanders do to some extent. I have Bosh 12v and Makita 18v tools for my everyday use, and whatever brand is cheap and works for stuff that I use only occasionally.

There is a theory that you should buy a whole kit of cheap power tools. Whichever ones break first get replaced with higher-quality tools, because those are the ones where you need the power and durability.

Durability and reliability.👍🏝️🇨🇦

@@hartleymartin Theres also that saying " buy cheap, buy twice"

​@cmelft2463 I've always heard "buy once, cry once"

@@iplaydums started with Craftsman, then went Dewalt and then I went Festool. 👍🏝️🇨🇦

A good blade makes a huge difference.

@@rinzler9775 Yes it does. People often forget that what matters the most in a saw is the blade. However good your Hilti/Festool/Mafell is, it's going to suck if the blade is dull. On the contrary, a cheap tool can be surprizingly good with a great blade. I bought CMT Orange Tool blades for my Parkside (Lidl brand) plunge saw, and the cuts's quality always amaze me.

@@Kelvallontan "what is the sword compared to the hand that wields it"

Your argument seems reasonable that this Ryobi track saw is for the DIYer while the other more expensive brands are more for professionals. However, $600 isn't exactly cheap, and if the $1000 ones are that much more reliable and better, then they seem to be a better purchase even for the DIYer. I mean, someone on a budget might be more likely to stick with a $20 circular saw for breaking down sheet goods. As a side note, I see Festool actually sells a track saw for $699. Or $599 without the 55" rail.

Although I agree with your conclusion, however I only paid $169.00 for my Ryobi tracksaw, no battery ( already invested in platform) so that is a reasonable price for a diyer.

I've talked with contractors who buy Ryobi for their workers because they abuse their tools so they did not want to buy a more expensive brand.

Eh festool, expensive price and cheap construction. It's track guides glue can't last a day in the aus heat. Thing delaminates near instantly. Festool want 30 bucks everytime it does. Not what you expect from 2k of kit.

Kind of agree with you. When I bought my Festool track saw 20 years ago, there were no alternatives. Well maybe Mafell had one at the time. But no Makita back then. Or any of the cordless brand ones to come later. I wish I could have bought the Makita back then. Not sure I would have even looked at Ryobi though. I would have just done without a track saw. But I am glad there are different price levels of tools to choose from. I have bottom barrel cheap cordless drills that work just fine. No need for $300 Festool.

Long live Parkside!

Gaston's like the raw unfiltered truth guy. Every YT'er needs a Gaston. Love it anytime he pops in.

If you've never seen a second hand Makita or Festool track saw for sale, that should tell you a lot about how respected/reliable those tools are...

It's hard to come by a used Festool. Especially considering they can give you a lifetime warranty in some cases.

@@johncart59 I get that, but saying it in the video makes it seem like it should be a viable alternative.

​@@lisabraun6036Facebook marketplace if you're in the states

@@lisabraun6036 Used higher end tools, like track saws, are available. Just not too common. The guy saying it in the video is probably in a clique of highly paid and sought after carpenters. Or woodworkers. Who all use high end tools. Professional level tools. And frequently trade or sell those tools to buy the latest and greatest high end tool. So for him, it is somewhat common to have the opportunity to buy older high end used tools. But not for the average Joe who works in his garage on the weekend.

I think you would have saved money by buying Lidl parkside tools.

@@gavinhay6627I've done the same as the comment you replied to, but I have to say that you actually have a point when it comes to one off jobs. I think the dude from Mythbusters once said that you should buy the cheapest version available and if you use it so much that you break it then you invest in proper stuff. However, compared to product lines like parkside, Ryobis are widely available and actually have a really cool library of products that you can choose from. Also they're on sale regularly. Still, you have a point but I'm actually not minding the money spent compared to an even cheaper alternative.

same, they will never serve you the same as the big boys, but for DIY, especially outside, the garage etc Ryobi are a real option

@@gavinhay6627 If you actually want to get something done, you stay far away from Parkside tools.

@@gavinhay6627 A Lidl opened near me recently, and so far I've only visited once to check it out. They obviously sold groceries; I had no idea they sold tools too. Is Parkside the name of the brand? Are they similar price/quality as brands like Ryobi or Black and Decker?

100% especially with a track saw.

Good comment , I have the same experience

Makita LXT system overtook Ryobi last year for the most tools compatible with one battery. They even have a coffee maker that runs on LXT batteries 😂

@@jbbresers I did not know that! Thanks for the info. Once you are invested in a system though it's easier to just make another purchase in the same line. Having said that, I have many Ryobi tools, but not the tracksaw. Mine is a cheap corded model. It was enough for what I needed it for.

Yeah, the battery platform certainty has definitely been a factor for peace of mind with Ryobi purchases.

haha I got a Ski ad ;D

Ozito ad.

I got the Milwaukee add to…and an ad to visit Canada

Milwaukee and Ryobi are the same company :)

i got skill saw ad

So you’re a table maker not a DIYer 😂

In fairness I'd like to see the Makita with a brand new blade

The same logic applies when buying laptops. Buy the best spec available that is in your budget. The higher the spec, the longer it will last before you need to replace it

And much cheaper in Europe. In the UK the (corded) Lidl can often be found for around 200 NZD equivalent.

Pretty sure you can buy adapters anyway

Exceeept.. that’s not the efficient way to make batteries anymore. I also can’t use ryobi tools because my hand joints can’t squeeze in on both sides at the same time. I mean, I use ozito/Einhell stuff.. aside from the occasional Festool, so no judgement 😅

This is so true. Other brands constantly change the battery design for seemingly no other reason then to force you to buy new batteries to suit whatever new range they bring out.

Yeah except it's an outdated design now and any batteries people have from the old ryobi stuff are trash at this point. Lots of other brands have moved to that open source design and Ryobi should have done the same.

​@@TheducksOrg what is not "the efficient way to make batteries anymore"?

Exactly. I wanted to return a faulty track. Tried to show the store manager the fault. He just said: nah, here is a new one.

why would you want a brand new one.

To be honest, as nice as this is for the customer, it shows that they don't value the tool very high. The time they would spend on evaluating and repairing the failure is to expensive. And that means, they probably just throw the returned stuff away, no matter how easy the fix would be. Don't know if wasteful procedures should be supported. Also, if they don't evaluate the failure, how will they improve the product? Why should the new product work better than the faulty device?

In North America they have a similar deal with Home Depot. Rigid is the "store brand" but Ryobi is a close second.

Ryobi, AEG (Rigid in the US), and Milwaukee are all owned by the same company.

Disagree, the machine matters greatly. Material quality , in this case the Ryobi base is plastic I went with Ridgid track saw(also a budget saw) because the base was metal which is way more durable than the Ryobi. As you already stated " It is the sum of the parts and not depending on one thing." so a good blade doesnt negate a bad tool or a good tool doesnt negate a bad blade.

@@TheTacoking1 When you know what you are doing, you can even achieve an accaptable result with a not so good tool. Not a perfect result, but not a bad result. When you not know what you are doing, the best tool won't guarantee an accaptable result. Both goes hand in hand. Of course, a professional will use the best and most reliable tool if possible.

Some are on par. Problem is that not all so its a bit shit if you need loads of pro level stuff. You cant beat the 150€ price of hp+ impact drill with a battery. Its so close to highest end pro-level stuff that the other prices seem like a huge scam.

Same here. A contractor can't make money professionally using these tools on jobs but a DIYer can save money by buying these tools instead of getting in a contractor.

Right on

Buy your own then

@@Zarooney you should see what he borrows of mine I think he gets a far better deal

DIY’ers who think they are professionals buy the overly priced Yankee junk called “ Milwaukee”

@@dereckhasken9055The irony that so called "Yankee junk" comes from the exact same Hong Kong company that owns Ryobi. Milwaukee is just the premium brand of said company.

​@Zarooney chill dude he's not complaining he's stating facts and the reason why we can't have lower end tools! We are rough with them that's the nature of the game! There work horses

Yeah feels like a new series being born. I also really enjoyed the bloopers/more candid stuff at the end

Definitely had a nice light vibe to it, the great people you are surrounded with help heaps you are so blessed to have great people around you!

That's that kiwi vibe. More chill, laid back. I feel it too.

Chinese company is the more important detail.

They're not made to the same standard or using identical parts. That 'gotcha!' is old and tired, and should be put to rest.

and both shit

Ryobi is actually better than Milwaukee

@@TheRealGOTdurrrred Yeah i'm happy with my Ryobi stuff. I'm not a tradie and it all works fine. Only drill i have killed is a Bosch...

Parkside is lowkey one of the best tool brands there is. I've had a few of their tools I've pushed HARD and they work well to this day. I think my hammer/chipping hammer drill is maybe on the way out after 12 years of serious abuse. I've used it way harder than one should to break concrete. Just picked up the drywall vacuum sander for €50 on black friday sale, it's been great. I still usually buy Makita when I am in the US and bring it to Europe back with me, but I just got a Ryobi nail gun (and a Makita batter adapter) as the braid nail gun is like half the price!. I

Parkside is surprisingly really okay for the price

And spend £25 on a branded blade. It's a game changer on a cheap saw.

It's the legend of the crafstman's tools. See, he has this apprentice who is squirming to become a master, and he IS very talented. And as he grew his knowledge, his master's tool selection puzzled him all the more. Many of his master's tools are old and appear quite worn. Some of them he recognizes as tools that aren't made anymore, while others simply lack in amenities ubiquitous in the current generation of tools. But none of them appear 'ideal' to the apprentice, in his vast knowledge of tools. Objectively speaking, the masters tools are inferior. Yet, when the master works with them, he creates miracles! This frustrates the apprentice greatly, he simply MUST know the secret in the tools. So one night, he slips into the master's shop and makes a cabinet with them, and it's the worst he's ever made. It takes him twice as long, and he can't get the precision he needs. The master see's it and just laughs, "Sonny, you'll know when you know. This is one thing I cannot teach to you." So what makes the master's tools so good? They're HIS tools! A true master knows what he needs in a tool, and knows that if a certain tool feels right, that's the one he needs to use. He doesn't need aggregate opinions, but the tool that does his job and has something they can't know - the feel the tool needs to have for him specifically to feel a physical connection to it when he uses it. It's sort of like how a good guitar player sounds good on any guitar, but his best playing is only gonna happen when it's a guitar he can lock-in on and stop thinking about the maneuvering. Same with tools. Bad-feeling tools make you work more just to use the tool - because you aren't fully comfortable, you are doing the equivalent of driving a stickshift with your mind fully on it, but no feeling of the gearbox under the shift knob, or clutch status underfoot. It's hard to do fancy driving when your mind is dedicating power to the basic movements of operating the car, just because they don't feel right! Or more because somewhere in your brain, the feedback isn't matching expectations, keeping intuition from taking over the shift process. I don't know if people appreciate how deep our visual-spacial runs. That "locked-in" comfort you feel when manipulating a good physical tool, to me, speaks to better interfacing with that deeper processing. That's your brain telling you "Yeah, we know what to do with this, so focus only on your goal with it, I'mma be down here in intuition-land handling all of the geometry." The reason some things feel bad to use is because those more abstract spacial senses can't fully grok the placement or movements, making you use conscious brain energy to do it, which is orders of magnitude more calorie-expensive. That's why the best tools are the ones you almost forget are in your hands when using them.

They are NOT basically the same. Having a magnesium or even aluminum base vs a plastic base will be more precise and durable. If you're just drilling into wood and doing DIY then any drill is going to be fine. If you need to drill into concrete or other masonry then you really want a pro-grade hammer drill or a rotary hammer rather than a cheap Ryobi hammer drill. In that case the difference is huge. But for drilling some holes in pine, the ryobi drill will be OK if you're just doing occasional work.

@@clutteredchicagogarage2720 I've got an 18v Ryobi SDS drill thats drilled thousands of 6mm holes for ankascrews, and plenty of 10mm+ holes as well that would like a word with you...

@@Etacovda63 Maybe. But I'll stick with my proven Makita SDS rotary hammer drill.

Not even close. They may have the same parent company, but the tools themselves are very different.

Tell us you don't know much about manufacturing without explicitly saying it. Stanley Black and Decker/De Walt are a part of a different group. You gonna claim that those brands are exactly the same too?

Why would you go to Makita you would just buy a Milwaukee the same company that makes Ryobi...

the makita tracksaw is pretty much the benchmark tracksaw, has been for years. @@JamesYale1977

I wouldn't be too sad about that. 😅

Ryobi might step up and still sponsor tools for review. Any tool manufacturer knows that their products will be scrutinized - even the expensive tool makers are going have their products looked at and critiqued. Sometimes there will be negative points about a tool, and that's good for them to learn where to improve. Ryobi tools have come a long way since the early days.

Not really and it cut better than the one that cost double

Look I don't think Ryobi would be too unhappy with that, it was a fair review, and let's be honest, the person buying a Ryobi tracksaw probably isn't thinking about a Makita/Milwaukee/Festool at a considerably higher price point. Honestly, it was only the professionals having an aversion to the Ryobi - and they admitted to their own snobbery.

Integrity man

This comment is concerning 🫣🤣🙏

True. All the quality tools I bought 30 years ago are still as good today as back then. But, I treat my tools well. And I would always be worrying about whether the used tool I am buying was abused by its previous owner. Having a peaceful mind is worth something for new tools. It would be nice to buy used tools from someone I knew cared for them very well.

@S-cottBrownCarpentry This episode? Or going way back to Aukland when Jess was an enigma?

Over time they will use the same moulds, same components, etc. It's just natural cost cutting that happens with corps with several brands.

@@cartoonhead9222 That's not the way "good, better, best" operates. You (TTI) need features, visual and tactile cues to distinguish between. Look at Horrid Fate's Warrior, Bauer & Hercules lines.....

lol I feel exactly the same about the color. Some of their tools are solid, but just the color and an image of ryobi makes me uncomfortable. I bought a ryobi snow shovel just because noone else makes it, and I try to avoid my neighbors when I use it lol. still use my makita batteries with an adapter

I am the same I went blue as a DIYer with the Bosch. Not colour based but with the price of materials you may as well go pro as a few mistakes and or errors means big bucks

​@@UncleIvan1 If buying a Ryobi snow shovel is best for you, and it works, why care about what your neighbors think? I suspect you're being largely tongue-in-cheek so I don't mean that to sound confrontational to you personally, but generally speaking - isn't it strange that we alter our behavior based on our self-generated perception of what other people might be thinking? I'm guilty of this too - I just think there are deeper aspects of psychology, marketing, ego or whatever going on! Speaks more about us than Ryobi IMO 🤔

Why did Ryobi change their product to vomit lime green. In the early 2000s. Im with you I buy Makita LXT for everything. Just for woodworking and DIY around the house. I have the XGT range for work.

@@youtubechannel12371 yes, I was exaggerating about caring what neighbors think. I have no issues with ryobi and I said " they make some solid tools ." I just mostly have a bias against the color scheme and the overall image. I have used couple of them and wasn't a big fan, not only for the color. That being said I'm not a fan of some of the other brands either. This is why we have opinions and buy what we like.

@S-cottBrownCarpentry dude you are an obvious fake account, what content could you provide 😂

Yep, they win just for the garden tools.

Totally agree, I'm heavily invested in the Ryobi cordless platform (drill, impact driver, lawnmower, leaf blower, belt sander, orbital sander, brad nailer, etc.). I've recently started on the Festool platform with my purchase of my first track saw - and the thing genuinely is a delight to use. But there's no way I'm going to buy a Festool inflator (if they even make one) at three times the price just to blow up the kids pool toys.

Have an ambulance on standby, but yes, I would love to see that.

The same problem i have with cheap tools. I started with Ryobi, and that's tools, make me frustrated. I sell to my brother and buy Dewalt, the best choice i make. So far so good. I am a DIY guy, but love pro grade tools.

The Ryobi nailers are amazing. For price and performance, those are #1.

Milwaukee is made by the same company that makes Ryobi, the housing differs (mw typically have an alloy jacket somewhere to 'feel' more premium) but the internals are the same. I always find it hilarious when people try to compare them.

"but for those who need to make a straight cut on a handful of projects each year it will be fine." But that is the question with cheaper quality tools. Can it even do the job you want a handful of times? Durability is always expected with high end tools. But a tool has to be able to do its main function correctly too. And sometimes, not always, but sometimes, with cheap tools, it cannot even do the basic job once. Forget the durability aspect.

Yep, it's weird, I'd expect tracksaw to a have solid cast base. But this Ryobi does not have even stamped steel but plastic base. I'm from Estonia, here Ryobi is sold but batteries are so expensive that it does not make any sense to buy Ryobi.

I’ve also watched Peter’s videos. The prices for low end tracksaws in NZ seem to be more than double the UK prices.