For Rees Mogg to say they should bring back Boris Johnson conclusively demonstrates that he's learnt nothing - absolutely nothing at all. Shameless and grasping to the last, like some hideous Dickensian caricature. He, Johnson and the rest of them have done immense harm to this country.
Then they would ask for more income/salary, politics were never intended to be a career path but for those that truly wanted better community administration, business owners are perfect candidates because they have experience in administration. When you incentivise career politicians all you will get are career politicians
@@EzraMerr That's a curious position to take! Business leaders may well be experienced in "Administration", but politics is a lot more than that. And Business men are driven by the "Profit" mindset. What about social justice, and the need for a stable society. 👍
Local business owner who are not related or resent the finance system are good candidate, but far from perfect. Let alone MNC business owners who can travel and live in a different county easily @@EzraMerr
WE need to stop expecting that the electorate needs to love parliamentary parties. We aren't marrying them. Their job is to govern us, to think about us and what we need to live our best lives and to flourish. There's been too much time spent where the people are stagnating while the govt fights with itself and leaves the country drifting into decline. Get your focus correct. And stop continuing to focus on the tories with/without farage. They are fish n chip paper and irrelevant for the next 5 yrs at least.
I agree with this. It also leads to a feeble mindset among politicians. For example with Sunak and his Rwanda plan, trying to do something completely impractical purely for appearances without any real impact on people's lives, and because he thought it would be what his voter base would want. You don't have to be loved by the people just better at the job than the other option.
To all who disagree that we need governing and want representation instead. Frankly none of these mps are representative of me, and most likely not of the voting majority. 'Representation' is appropriate but governing is what is needed, people who take decisions for all, not simply those they represent. It's a different and subtle concept distinction, the absence of which is what has led to drift. And yes I do believe in representative government emphasis on the last word. society
Great point by Campbell about Farage. The only way to beat him is by solving problems so he has no leg to stand on. He’s a problem creator not a problem solver.
He’s created problems for sections of the political establishment by raising issues most of them didn’t consider or never understood were issues with the public in the first place
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 yes true I agree,but the dangerous thing about him and my secondary point is that he doesn’t solve problems,if you cannot legitimately provide policy solutions then you shouldn’t be able to lead a country. The danger is people won’t see that and they’ll elect him just to stand and shout and create no solutions but instead just bring division to the parliament and wider constituencies
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Farrage knows that immigration is beneficial to the ruling class of Britain because it is used simultaneously as a way of cheap labour to destroy unions and a perfect scapegoat like the Nazis used the jewish and roma people alike Farrage is like Oswald Mosely
@@georgeheaton Absolutely, he stands outside the arena and just throws grenades in. He is an agitator tapping into people's insecurities and fears, many of them irrational. But offers no practical solutions. And he has been rewarded, he has got himself elected into a nice paying job, but he won't do anything, he can't. He has no power to either make or influence policy. Can't deny, he is a success at looking after himself. I find it sad that his followers can't see this. The consumat Grifter. 👍😊
@@Dreyno You didn't have Reform splitting the tory vote for one. Not to mention a Tory Party that wasn't on the complete decine with voters at that time
Very good point. Keirs “move to the centre” had basically no effect. What happened on election night has almost nothing to do with Labour. It was an anti-Tory vote more than anything
It's really quite simple. Labour have got 5 years before they have to worry about another election. In that time, they have to make people believe that things that they care about are improving. If the cost-of-living crisis has ceased, NHS waiting lists have significantly shortened and the public sector strikes have ended, then they will have a very good chance of being re-elected. If not, then they are going to face a populist backlash.
Maybe not in the actual figures, but the swing from the last election to this, is quite telling. Right-wing infighting and political jockeying between Tories and Reform means, as in France, conservatives are travelling a dangerous path courting extremists in the search for power. Pandering to radicals, whether left OR right, turns off voters and saps energy which would be better used implementing policies which help the general population, not just fringe crazies...and everybody suffers.
It means that 57% of the vote controls almost the entire parliament (Labour and the Tories) while the other 43% of votes is almost not represented at all.
Yes terrible system....just like the Tories ran the country despite gaining a minority of national vote share. The UK is centre left. Labour plus Lib Dem, Greens, Scottish & Welsh Nat's, SDLP, Sinn Fein....beats Tories plus Reform every time...
@@MsZeeZed How are they easily removeable? Some of them win their seats on less than 25% of the vote! try getting rid of that in a world where the opposition is split among several different parties. Or in a world where the constituency boundaries are deliberately drawn to create safe seats for major parties. Terrible system, get rid of it now.
They had a lot of "viable" alternatives, Alister. They had Reform, they had Greens, they had Lib Dems and in the end Labour captured less total votes than in 2019. So your argument that you were more viable this time round goes where exactly?
@@RU-vidmessedupmyhandle erm... no. less people perceived labour as being a viable alternative this time around than in 2019 - evidenced by the drop in both turnout and total votes cast for Starmer's 'changed' (read austerity-lite and NHS privateer) Labour party. That's my point.
@@benstclair6427 you could also say fewer people saw Labour as unelectable this time than last. An actual analysis would be that it’s a different election with different candidates and different issues so comparing isn’t of much value.
@@paulmessenger9836 by raising minimum wages and average wages??? and making sure to combat inflation for everyone??? is that what you call dropping off a cliff???
71 percent turnout in 1997 versus 60 today. Competing with the LibDems in 1997 versus coordinating with them in this election and effectively withdrawing from seats where the LibDem candidate was more competitive. Both those things reduce the vote count, by a lot. Probably more instructive to add up centre-left and right votes and see how they tot up percentage wise, and in the coming days to analyze opening polling on things like policy issues, not just party preference. To me it looks like a very strong performance for the centre left compared to 2005 through 2019, but not as much of one as 1997 or 2001.
@@danielbliss1988If this were an AV based voting system these snarky comments that punish Labour for winning would disappear; someone not voting Labour doesn’t mean they don’t want them in power, and I think as you say that the Labour vote would benefit under AV for this reason.
Starmer got less votes then Corbyn got in either of his elections. It completely shows what a total scam UK democracy is and how complicit the media is in that scam. Starmer is going to do nothing except make sure the rich get richer and eventually you guys will get the reform party you deserve. The system works.
The value of the £ has gone up already, we'll never get back any of the 100's of billions we've lost since brexit but at least it's going in the right direction again now.
@@neilw.3012 it really wasn't the continuation, it was a stark change. Brown had a growth plan which was starting to work, the coalition came in and canned the plan, opting for maximum austerity. Nothing like what New Labour offered. We went from growth of 2% to negligible growth under the conservatives
Must Be, a Reason why British TV keep asking WMD CAMPBELL for his Politicial Opinion. When you would think He would be the Last Person a Civil Society would wish to Speak 2. They don't ask his Boss Ant Blair for comment & why 700.000 died in Iraq because of their Minuplitation.
I truly don't understand how politicians can lose sight so starkly of the complaints of its people ... serving its people and maintaining sovereign security is the primary responsibility of leaders ...ALL democratic countries have lost sight of this in the last two decades ..
The Labour party in the UK reached out to the Labor party in Australia and their advisors for directions they should take in the run-up to the election. And a very good piece in the SMH [Sydney Morning Herald] was it was said to go easy on using the words 'Left' and 'Nationalize' , as it might scare the mainstream British voter too much and be seen as too radical. It looks like the 'Gently, Gently' plan did work.
Ukraine, waiting list, immigration, labour shortage, interest rate, living cost, energy prices, EU deal, knife crimes, mental health, Gaza war, tuition fees - they have the mandate but time will tell.
They don't have a mandate, they have a majority in parliament so will be able to do whatever they want however. An actual mandate would be a majority of votes.
Johnson won his last election with 43.6% of the popular vote, while Corbyn lost it with a 32.1%, on a voter a 67.3% turnout of the electorate. Starmer’s Labour have won the 2024 election with 34% of the popular vote on a voter turnout of 60%, the lowest turnout since 2001. There’s been no great shift left and things will change little, because the global economy dictates the limits of what any government can do and the UK’s monumental civil service, will dictate the rest…Keep Calm and Carry On. You’ll hardly notice the difference.
Extremely well put and will act as a restraint whether AC agrees or not because they will know that if they try to do things that the British don't want, then they can also go the way of the Tories in 5 years time.
Correct. We are governed by neo-liberal globalists. They aren't interested in listening to their electorate and their concerns. It's not a conspiracy, it's just group think. Technocratic elitism.
This was the result of an intentional strategy though, Labour intentionally did next to no campaigning for safe seats and spent all their time campaigning for seats that they were close to taking. This resulted in low voter turnout in many constituencies where they could've gotten a lot of extra Labour votes, but they were not trying to win the popular vote they were trying to win the election. In the end it is impossible to discount the effects of the first-past-the-post system from the popular vote, it is influenced by both campaign strategy and by tactical voting.
@@raiden24lowest voter share of any incoming majority winning government since 1918. Labour’s overall voters barely moved an inch since 2019. `Labour only won seats because people were so sick of the conservatives they swung back to Labour or other parties. But Labour absolutely bled voters out the back as well.
@@RU-vidmessedupmyhandle It's not really a meaningful comparison, only superficially so. There are a finite number of points a team can win in a season and all teams must play each other twice, therefore all teams will face the same relative challenge and "first past the post" actually works as a fair system in determing a winner. The other teams in the league may be relatively stronger or weaker in any given season, therefore the points needed to win the league may be higher or lower, however all teams will still play each other twice and thus face at least on paper the same challenge. Politics is not Party A vs Party B fixtures every week and add up the points, it is a simple measure of how much support a party has and therefore popular vote is a more relevant measure of performance than points in football. For example in politics different parties do deals with each other, such as Brexit/Tories in 2019 and Labour/Lib Dems in 2024, to influence the seat outcomes; they cannot however influence popular vote as much in this way. That kind of deal would never or almost never happen in football and definitely not in a league system, only maybe in some tournament competitions. So your comparison is not actually very meaningful.
@@roberthudson3386 you do realise that you’ve just given an example why the original post comparison wasn’t meaningful, and my point was that these comparisons aren’t meaningful?
The usual spin from Campbell, Labours share of the vote increased by only 1.5% compared to 2019, despite all the disdain shown for the Tories. Without Reform splitting the Conservative vote this time, Labour would have gained little in England. Starmer has overseen Labour party membership fall by over 200,000. Little love shown for Labour by the electorate.
The country sees a viable alternative. The same country that voted for Brexit. Are they right now? 2017 and 2019 were also viable alternatives,except in the eyes of the Labour right. Why did Harriet Harmon not condemn the vote thief in Chingford or the NHS privatisation guy in Islington North? The Labour right seems to be afraid of democracy.
Yes lots of the votes that elected Lib Dem MPs were Labour supporters voting tactically. But it worked both ways, lots of Labour MPs were elected by Lib Dems voting Labour tactically. Take SW Norfolk as an example, the Lib Dem vote fell by more than the Labour majority over Truss. The difficulty is going to be next time, unless Labour can shift tack on Gaza, and the Greens can be brought more into the anti Tory tactical voting bloc.
Starmers majority looks big but it is on extremely shallow ground. Very low vote share. Majorities in "safe seats" slashed to 3 digits in many cases and now he has to clash with reality. He has hidden over the last 4 years from actually saying what he will do but has promised change. But no change indicated by his actions. Now he has to actually do something and the public clearly don't like him so he better get it right straight away as he has no honeymoon period to hade from the voters in.
@@marrrtin Just look at the figures supporting him. About a third of voters on total voted Labour and of those 2% said it was for starmer the overwhelming majority voted that way to remove the Tories. Starmer was never an asset and if it had been a popular (or even just disliked) Labour leader the votes would have been different. So yes he is hated (as will be seen by the total lack of a honeymoon period) and unless he actually does something cue the many bi-elections that he will lose coming his way.
Crazy how Johnson is the bad guy for eating a birthday cake during COVID yet war criminals like Campbell and Blair are still darlings of the MSM. It's almost as if Globalist media supports globalist politicians.
Doesn’t mean anything for labour other than people are sick and tired of the incumbent bunch of clowns, and labour is the only alternative in a duopoly.
@@Jessjoe1956 i spoiled my ballot, as I said the electoral system is broken. When 33% of 59% of voters grant a massive majority, you have a government with no popular mandate. If you don't see a problem with that, then you simply don't agree with the principles of democracy
@@jn4126 The requirement for ID, which was designed to reduce turnout is no doubt a factor. Voter apathy with politics no doubt as well. The amount of divisive shite thrown about online is off putting to many people. Very difficult to inspire anyone when all that comes out is negativity irrespective of what political party it might be. The guy above, perfect example. Doom and gloom seldom convinces anyone about a political view, it just puts people off all politics completely. The time of year when lots of people are on holiday - deliberate choice of timing again to limit turnout.
@@jn4126 if you expect me to feel bad about my party winning within the only voting system that is currently available to them, I don’t, it may not be the best system, and probably should be changed to PR, but everyone new the rules before polling began.
CH.4 I hope love is not blind and you will hold Labour accountable for what they do and not keep going on about what Farage is doing, he is not PM. Packages about the disintegration of the Tories may give some people pleasure but they are not running the country now, and we need to know what the government is doing.
the will to build a better society does exist. We must use it to secure the Great Reset that we so badly need. That will require stronger and more effective governments, though this does not imply an ideological push for bigger ones. And it will demand private-sector engagement every step of the way.
Remember that Corbyn got 6% more of the vote(about 3 million more votes) in 2017 than Starmer just did. Labour and Starmer didn't win at all by being appealing. They just won by default
Lots of tactical voting from the left shifted votes across the UK towards LD and Greens from the left. I think the voter numbers are deceptive this election due to the sheer amount of tactical voting employed
You’re not reading how this campaign went. Labour trusted its safe seats to be adults and turn out to vote for them on their own, while they hit the betrayed Tory constituencies with everything they had. Meanwhile the Tories kept taking big expensive swings at Labour on a national level and hitting thin air. Labour (and Reform) hit the Tories at a mainly local level, they didn’t recognise this until about half-way into the campaign and their panicked response was to abandon the marginal seats to protect the Cabinet. Labour took about 200 more seats in this way. The UK does not have PR voting, % vote share (and vote volume) is a trend indicator and it never conveys a real political mandate.
No they won because they were the best party on offer. At least we know reform isn’t the silent majority, it’s a very loud minority the same size as the Green Party
@@MsZeeZed if reform hadn't split the vote, the wouldn't have a this landslide. If the Tories weren't incompetent at every level they wouldn't have had the landslide. If the Tories could've not had another huge scandal every week of the campaign, they wouldn't have had the same huge landslide. Labour literally didn't win over anyone.
Tories need a clean slate if they want to come back, the old guard need to go, no one is voting for them again. They need a fresh faced new roster of leading Tories, they run the same known names and they'll be unelectable for the coming decades.
What does Labour’s landslide win mean for UK’s political future? Pre-civil war pre pre ww3 if Starmer continues his marxism. Not a single person would fight for Starmer though, I mean not a single person would give him time of day really.
Hres a thought the labour party received less votes than when corbyn was leader, now please explain,when the next parliament and government party,make the people mad, ,,,,,the vote in the last election went all over the place,,, what does the future hold,,chaos
Hi, We keep hearing about change, but it's not always clear what we're changing from or to. And public service? Service for what? At least building houses is specific, though it will cost money and mean tax rises-we need to be upfront about that. We also need to make sure these new houses are sustainable-flood-proof, environmentally sound, and affordable. This means reforming the market as well as building more. Let's be clear and honest about our goals and the steps needed to achieve them.
If Starmer is true to his word and works for the whole nation with honesty and integrity, then he will remain in power for at least 2 terms and hopefully bring respect back to politics and condemn Farage and his gaggle of racists to the dustbin of protest party
A labour land slide is brilliant the people have spoken labour will care about us working people and get rid of the nondom tax dodgers big company’s not tax payers labour will be fair not just for the rich and billion airs
I hope that Big Nigel hangs around for the next 10 years to split the right wing vote .The centre left vote was split in the 80's between Labour and the Alliance parties to give the conservatives an electoral advantage and what goes round comes round .
@Channel 4 the economic future is more important than the political future. A good economy makes people's lives better not politics, However a Channel as shallow as yourselves??? Saving Britain is as simple as stopping the boats. Lord Nelson and Churchill would only but agree. 🇿🇦👍
@@ryanf6530 Well Labour only polled 34% of the vote and that won’t win them an election in five years time. Pro-EU Labour supporters are drifting away to the Greens and Lib Dems that’s why Thangham Debbonair lost Bristol Central. The TCA with the EU is up for renegotiation and renewal in 2025 Starmer needs to be bold. He doesn’t need a debate, he can do whatever he wants if he’s bold enough. Brexit is stifling growth and reducing our GDP, if you want to fix this country’s problems you have to wake up to that reality
It looks very much like LP have an opportunity but have to get it right looks like CP need to reset and work out how to fix what's broken moving further right might absorb some RP votes but ultimately the centrist vote that deserted them is where it's at and as it stands the leading figures are a big turn off.
@@FRM101 i hate to be the do your own research guy, but.....That isn't exactly a wildly controversial opinion..Hundreds of thousands of deaths based on a lie.
@@zivkovicable I don't mean to know it's a a fringe opinion, it's not. And I don't mind the research comment. I'd wager you would find episodes 111 and 112 of the podcast 'The Rest is Politics' fascinating. In those episodes, Rory Stewart uses long format questioning, complete with follow up, to take Alastair Campbell to task on Iraq. I've done detailed research on the topic and yet there were details I've never before heard (and even some contrition, though it comes at the end). I don't mean to imply it will absolve AC, or change your mind, but it is a fascinating account of the lead up to the war that only an insider can provide. In the interest of full disclosure, Rory Stewart is AC's podcast co-host. However, Stewart was also a young coalition governor of an Iraqi province in 2003, and he emerged from that experience wholly opposed to the war in Iraq, and furious with those who chose invasion over further sanctions. As an aside, you'll hear Stewart repeatedly refer to himself as a young diplomat at the time of the invasion. But a careful listener might read it (and his various other postings, each one a conflict zone) as the career path of a young MI6 officer. Then again, Stewart's father was a one time deputy head of MI6, so perhaps I'm reading too much into his professional bio. In any event, I think you'll enjoy AC being pressed with long format questioning by an opposition inquisitor posessing both first hand experience, and first rate expertise.
i eneded up on this channel by accident good interview BUT I CANNOT GET OUT OF MY HEAD THE DIRTY TRICK YOU TRIED TO PLAY ON Reform I nevber what c4 News now i wwatch 5 NEWS
