Forest fire is one of the best descriptions of how a beer can smell. Thanks Brad :D It always amazes me how some people can make the spot on metafors of how beer/vine etc smell and taste.
One of my favorite beers ever was a black IPA from Firestone Walker: Wookey Jack. Very complex, dark coffee, roasted malt, significantly (but not overwhelmingly) bitter.
Black IPA has always been my favorite style bu definitely saw the disappearance of the last 3 years. Just picked up the last two 6 packs of Stone Sublimely Righteous from my local grocery store bc I was so excited to see it back! But my first memory of a Black IPA was Firestone Walkers Wooky Jack which is still my favorite of all beers to drink! Great roasty pine flavors throughout! Thanks for the great watch Guys! BIPA to the Moon!
I had the Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous in Florida about ten years ago. I have looked for it on all my travels since. I buy it whenever I see it. I love that beer.
Love a good black IPA. Should be piney, grapefruit citrus, with a roasted note. Used to be probably 5-10 local breweries that made them maybe 3-5 yrs ago, now down to 1 that does one year round as a core beer, and 1 that does one as a seasonal. There was one from a brewery a province over that we used to get here, that was the best, but no longer brews it. Thankfully they have shared the recipe so us home brewers can try it on our own. Black Banks Cascadian Ale 5Gal/19l 6.3%, 54IBU, SRM 27 81.6% 2 Row 6.1% Carafa Special III 6.1% Crystal 40 6.1% Vienna 14.25 grams of Simcoe @60 (0.5oz for the metrically impared) 28.5 grams of Simcoe @10 28.5 grams of Amarillo @0 42.75grams of Simcoe dry hop 3 days 42.75grams of Amarillo dry hop 3 days Water profile like you would a west coast IPA If you want a little more smoke to it, add a handful of smoked malt, or to add a bit of sweetness and smoke, a handful of Cherry Smoked malt. More coffee character, just add some coffee to the end of the boil
Had a lovely Black IPA last night on the Beer Fridge Podcast. A collab from new brewery Trinity and Green Duck. Definitely give it a try. Keep up the good work
For me the first Black IPA that deserved its name and wasn't either predominantly malty or predominantly hoppy is Black Malts & Body Salts 2.0 by To Øl out of To Øl City. How you can have such a mix of different tastes within a single sip I have only experienced before in barrel aged stouts/porters, while sour beers / IPAs are usually more straightforward and unidimensional (which isn't bad necessarily).
You're reading my mind with these videos! Just brewed a black IPA last month. Had midnight wheat in the malt bill with magnum, centennial, citra and chinook hops. Turns out perfect every year. Pine and grapefruit fighting for attention on the nose. They're there with a pinch of roast on the back half of the taste. Nice medium to full mouth feel. Cheers!
Great hop choices for this style! We like them a little lighter than full mouthfeel - like the classic west coasters that often used sugar to bump the ABV without the extra body.
I absolutely love BIPA. Blacks of Kinsale brewery here in Ireland have one in their core range and whenever I see it I buy. I'm that guy that would happily drink a BIPA everyday
One of my local brewers has a black IPA going year round, slight malt and coffee notes, but still strongly an IPA with loaw carbonation and really velvety mouthfeel
I agree - to me a Black IPA is a West Coast with a hint of the characteristics of darker malts. A brewery in Cleveland, OH called The Brew Kettle has been making their White Rajah west coast IPA for a long time and then started making a black version called Black Rajah. Alll the same hops - to me it is one of the perfect examples of the style.
Not my favourite style of beer but the kernel export India is one of my favourite beers. Kernel can't really do much wrong in all honesty! I would love for you guys to do some work with them at some point. A great brewery who have definately stayed grounded and know how to please the people.
♥️BIPA. Was lucky enough to try Society & Solitude #2 and El Jefe back to back for my first experience and I've been a fan of the style ever since. Enjoying a TRVE Black Cascade right now!
Enjoying a “Dante fiero” an Italian style lager from my local brewery, the brickyard brewing company, here in Lewiston New York. Enjoying the latest craft beer channel episode
Enlightening episode guys. Speaking of Mitch Steele, he is right here in Atlanta where he co-founded New Realm Brewing Co. where they are pumping out some outstanding IPAs. When you guys start traveling again, come check out the craft beer scene in Atlanta and visit New Realm!
Damn we would love to come to Atlanta! I (Jonny) spoke to Mitch for an article about Black IPA and will definitely be visiting one day, sounds like he's built a great brewery there.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel And we'd love to have you! I'll be happy to give you some ideas of breweries to visit. We have a nice mix of older breweries and new.
I thought it was Sabro that was the new "coconutty" hop. I think Talus is more grapefruit/citrusy? I may be wrong. Anyway, great video as always fellas.
I'd agree with that. The Siren and Deya single hopped Talus IPAs were really heavy tangerine and grapefruit. I didn't get any coconut in those (yep, Sabro is the big coconut thing for me).
Sabro is indeed THE coconut hop but we get it off Talus and Sorachi too. Talus is a really unusual hop, bred from a wild Mexican variety. Seems to present differently in every beer (again like Sorachi!)
@@TheCraftBeerChannel how many have you had yet? I've only had those two from the first wave so far but I really enjoyed the flavour profile and I'm keen to try more.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel that's probably because Talus is the sister of Sabro. I personally didn't get much coconut from Talus but that's why hops are amazing. The recent Cloudwater Black TIPA with Sabro was an immense brew!
Hi! Just found your channel and I'm loving it! I got to be a patriot and ask if you could try beers from Swedish breweries? I can recommend some of my favorites: Stigberget Brewery, Apex Brewing Company, Fermenterarnas, O/O Brewing and Duckpond Brewing. Most of them are located in Gothenburg. Cheers!
Friends of mine own a micro brew here in Iowa do one and I really like. But one friend who loves stouts says it isn't black enough and another who likes IPAs says it isn't hoppy enough. I love stouts and don't care for IPAs that seem to be a contest of how much hops can you put in a glass at the sacrifice of flavor. Oh look what I just found in my fridge..🍺 (need dark beer emoji)
Well it is a lot better than the label I misread stating coco stout and it was actually coconut. Second worst beer I have ever had. No idea who drinking alcoholic sun tan lotion appeals to. But losing taste and smell from covid did have one bright side.
Cool video. I have never really got black ipa. Have tried a bunch of them and only found one that I liked. For me, it takes 2 styles of beer that I love separately and fails to marry them in a way that I find pleasing. Give me an American stout or cascadian dark ale for hoppy dark, or straight ipa, wcipa or neipa for hoppy.
Yeah that's kind of where we landed with this video! In my head there were some great examples back in 2012-15 but not had one that's blown me away with the recent glut of them
Just brewed with talus hops, i did not get any coconut aroma as more of pink grapefruit and the pith of grapefruit. Will have to revisit my beer again. Cheers!
Well the same hops can present it lots of different ways depending on their age, use, dosage etc as well as the yeast, water and malt recipes so if you got grapefruit out of it that's awesome!
such a tricky style, I have tried many but so few have hit the spot of combining my love for IPA and PORTER/STOUT. I think the best one I have ever had is "Hophorn" from HORNBEER brewery in denmark. it is 9,3% so more an I(mperial)BIPA but pretty damn good.
I think that Ruse Brewing out of Portland, OR has a black IPA that may fit the profile you are speaking about. it's called Dark Beyond the Stars. I enjoyed it for the same reasons why you had mentioned. There may be some cans flowing around. I recommend checking that out. /shrug
I tried my 1st Black IPA when I started my craft beer journey back in 2015 I think. Anyway, I tried "Firestorm" by Big Storm Brewing in Odessa, FL and I loved it! If I'm out at a craft brewery I'll get one if there is one on the menu, but for some reason I won't buy it when I see it in the stores in cans or bottles.
Totally get this - there are quite a few styles I rarely buy in can or bottle but always grab on draft. I think at home I like the pale sipping beers, and when out at a craft beer place I mix it up more.
Fun Fact. Greg Noonan, from Burlington, Vermont was the creator of this style of beer. I've been to his brewpub "The Vermont Pub & Brew" on College St. and had the original black IPA. Skal!
Sounds tasty, I'll have to try one! Maybe a cool video idea would be to discuss/battle of the Belgian strong ales? Beers like Kwak, Duvel, Delerium etc. It would be interesting to see what the non-trappist belgian beer has to offer.
I like the name "cascadian dark ale" because it doesn't give expectation of IPA hops character, and it's less nonsense than BLACK India PALE ale lol. Talus, Sabro and other coconut aroma hops are great in this style if you don't have IPA aroma expectations :)
In our minds Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style - it originated in Oregon a few years after the BIPA and is generally lower ABV and much less hoppy.
Don't really care what it's called but The Kernel Export India Porter really nailed it for me recently, The Siren/Elusive Zombies was pretty neat as well.
What do you change to make dark lagers vs regular ones? I feel like applying that to an IPA is the most natural fit as to what a black ipa should be... Or just take a dark lager recipe, swap to an ale yeast, throw in a few more hops. Boom! Black IPA Can you tell I'm not a brewer?!
Erm... Jonny you COULD be a brewer because this is EXACTLY what the original BIPA brewers did. They used carafa Special 3 - a german roasted malt with the husk removed to reduce the roasted astringency. That malt is used in schwarzbier.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel That is mostly a problem for our friends at the Stone Brewing Company. Maybe they will start shipping more variety of their beer in cans around the world. In Finland right now and I see only Stone IPA here.
For me, being old school and after falling in love with El Jefe ( Alchemist ) and Shaun Hill's Darkside Black, I think any black IPA needs, absolutely must, be loaded with Simcoe ... piney, resine, and a good underlying bitterness. It should not be astringent ( Carafa III ), and definitely not juicy.
Great video, great style. I can highly recommend the Jopen Maria Magdalena series of Black IPA's from Haarlem in the Netherlands. Each featured a prominent hop combination... latest was Citra/Mosaic. And from the South-west, St Austell Proper Black IPA is also very solid. #BlackIPAsMatter
Really surprised about the mention of the "sorachi coconut" thing. I've always thought of it as being all lemon-citrus. Haven't used it much, but if it also gives coconut, then perhaps I should give it another go!
TBH Sorachi is a weird-ass hop and I've got lemon, coconut, dill, strawberry and all manner of other things from it. To me Talus is similarly weird and wild. If you're after coconut, best go for Sabro.
Think Eclipse (one of the newer hops from down under) would go really well in a BIPA - mandarin, citrus peel, and pine. I have now tried it in a few styles, and it definitely seemed to suit darker styles well.
Real sad that the brewery went under, they made great beer. But Cascadian Dark Ale is a different style to Black IPA - it's lower ABV, drier and less hoppy too. It comes from Oregon, while the BIPA is from New England.
Correct on the name. Beer&Wine Hobby in Danver MA make a kit they call Dirty Water Cascadian Dark. I've made it a couple of times. Has always come our well.
Question, I want to make a Black IPA but I've heard some don't add the dark malt the same time as the rest of the grain bill, I was going to add it all in at the same time, what's better?
Sign of the southern cross by Weird Beard. Dark side of the moob by northern monk, The darkness within by Leviathan and rattlesnake chalice by Neon Raptor have been great. The Malt Miller's Stone Self richeous IPA also brews nicely at home 👍🍻
I’m surprised you never addressed the most obvious question of how can a thing be black and pale at the same time? Haha. Anyway, I’m loving the expert tasting, as usual, and the wonderful flavor descriptors Brad comes up with. “Forest fire” and “The shade of a mango tree.” The latter was a collabo, I guess, and Jonny tweaked the former into “burnt forest.” What a treat to watch. Btw, I’m inspired by Brad’s shirt to share a short obit from last summer I’m sure you haven’t seen. It’s from a local Hudson Valley magazine that had the photo as the cover last August. www.chronogram.com/hudsonvalley/on-the-cover-portrait-of-milton-glaser-by-franco-vogt-august-2020/Content?oid=11026008 Enjoy!
Thanks for the link! And for the kind words. We didn't worry too much about the Black and Pale thing - beer names are littered with contradictions and always have been. Barley Wine isn't a wine etc!
It did! I think it wasn't heavily dry hopped so added more grapefruit pith than the juicier quality it has as a dry hop, which complemented the beer perfectly.
Maybe it's that whole thing of tasting with your eyes but I can't get on board with it. When I chuck down a pint of the black I want porter or stout anything slightly hoppy in there is gonna throw me off kilter. That said have never had a truly hoppy BIPA. Only sudsy, toasty ones.
Best two I've had (and by some distance) are: Tool - Black Malts and Body Salts Weird Beard x Time & Tide - Call Your Friends That collab was out of this world good. Wish it wasn't a one off. 😪 Not counting export India porters though as if I was then Kernel would be top of that list. The double is maybe my favourite beer of all time.
Hey, been watching a lot of your videos, and I´m wishing to ask an odd question. Would it be possible to brew a sort of dark malt liquor that can not be classified as a form of imperial stout or extra stout?
"burn't forest"...lol. I fell hard for Sierra Nevada Stout decades ago for it's evergreen spin on what a spicy stout should be. But it is definitely a stout. Now I'm more confused than ever after watching this as to what a black IPA actually is. But that's ok. Emphasizing any creation that isn't loaded down with Citra and juicy juice hops is refreshing in itself! I still can't understand our current world in which beer drinkers are so fixated on their favorite imbibement tasting like a morning glass of grapefruit juice. Gwyuck!🤮
Sounds like the beer's fault, not yours! There should have been bags of hop aroma and decent of malt depth too - beyond the roast there needs to be some cara-like character.
This is one of those beer styles I'm just indifferent to, I find them pretty inoffensive and will happily drink them if they come in a beer subscription package or something but won't go out of my way to buy them nor do they exactly blow my hair back!
@@TheCraftBeerChannel yeh so many competing flavours. Have you ever had a beer that is pretty much 100% on all flavour fronts? (Triple dry hopped Sour pastry imperial stout with a bourbon vanilla saison chaser?!)
All answers given are all wrong but also are all right.....black IPA is a oxymoron and should be brewed as such....I think the aroma should be all IPA with no dark elements but the taste should have the hint of coffee and dark caramel. I can say categorically that the cloudwater 6th birthday "black imperial ipas" were definitely not black IPAs in anyway shape or form...
We didn't have the Cloudwater ones (a triple Black IPA is a terrifying thought) but I agree on your definition and the Siren came closest. Just needed for hoppy character.
@@TheCraftBeerChannel had all three, Mr. Derbyshire informed me that he heard the base was the same base as persistence is Utile....which is a impy stout....so were really hoppy impy stouts, the Sabro one was nice though....but not a triple black IPA...
