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As a Chinese-American from Texas, I can confirm that referring to other nations as more backwards than us is just about the most Chinese thing we can do outside speaking Chinese.
As another Chinese American, I agree. Not sure if its akin to modern nationalism, but there is a huge amount of pride engrained in Chinese culture atleadt when talking about others. One of the things that came out of taling with some of my other ABC friends is "you dont call everyone around you a barbarian unless you have very tall towers and very thick walls". A favorite ancedote is that when the British first tried to negotiate with the Qing, the Qing ambassador spoke to him in Latin.
As a Chinese, I drew the opposite conclusion to your Chinese friend. Indeed, attempts to unify Europe failed but that of China succeeded explained the stark contrast between these societies. However, I think it is the the constant pressure of war that gave Europe its strength. From the middle ages through to WW2, the pressure of war necessitated technological development in order for European powers to stay relevant. In contrast, a united China gave rise to a group of decadent and corrupt aristocracy, undergoing cycles of internal conflicts over and over again, until they exhausted themselves only for an external power to take advantage of the situation and conquer them (e.g. Mongol and Manchurian), not unlike the late Roman history.
I personally think the best time for a singluar "civilisation state" to develop would have been the Napoleonic era. After industrialisation global spaning imperial empires simply couldn't coexist on the continent.
I view their is philosophical differences especially militarily between Europe, and China even during the Roman rule. Which is that generals in Europe only get respect by waging war and securing the loyalty of their soldiers with war loot aka winning wars constantly. Meanwhile the most respected generals in China are the strategic masterminds able to use the vast resources of the empire to perform impossible feats. Essentially Europeans know war by doing it, where as China strategizes to contain/ Control war.
I agree with your views to the letter, the constant pressure in europe motivated constant progress and advancement which led to europe advancing its technology and helped it catch up eventually, while china instead got all cozy and aristocratic resulting in it stagnating dispite initially being at the forefront in technological advancement.
@@neroatlas9121 It's honestly not that simple imo. There are any number of reasons why dynasties fall and they're not all interrelated. For instance, the Song dynasty, which fell to the Mongols, was economically and culturally powerful but militarily weaker than most Chinese dynasties that came before it. This was because the founder of the dynasty explicitly suppressed the military because he himself was a general who overthrew his emperor and was afraid of the same thing happening to him. Then in referring to the Ming, they were the ones who overthrew Mongol rule but were inspired by the Mongols to be more despotic and autocratic than traditional Chinese dynasties would've been. There's also the fact that significant technological knowledge was lost during the collapse of the Han dynasty which set China back who knows how long. And then there's the Qing who actually were complacent, but they also set China back in a lot of other ways, mostly in the way they pitted ethnicities within China against each other to maintain Manchu rule over the majority Han population. Some civilizational characteristic of "complacency" or whatever is simply way too simplistic to explain historical events and trends and honestly it reeks of orientalism imo.
I also subscribe to the theory that the constant pressure of war in Europe was what drove a lot of its technological development. For much of history in that part of the world, you'd quickly be conquered by some neighbouring kingdom if you didn't keep up. Parts of Asia didn't have this and China often dominated the entire region to the point everyone was basically a subsidiary of China, so war was a bit less constant. Japan even has periods of history where basically nothing happens for a couple centuries because of isolationism and the fact that it isn't exactly easy to invade since it's an island and much further from the main continent than Britain. Nothing happening and being left alone for even a single century is just something you'd never see in much of European history. Japan only caught up technologically because they didn't want to fall behind the growing European powers as well as the fact some European powers actually helped them catch up.
Nobody asks that question as if they did, it would lead to asking further questions that would dismantle their presuppositions and force them re-evaluate their beliefs. This is something people don't tend to do willingly.
@@raxit1337 No. Not in that extent and not in such pervasive manner. Spaniards or French don't say they are roman. Heck, even the arabs didn't go that far.
@@Kaiyanwang82 The roman empire collapsed ages ago, of course Spaniards or French don't say they are roman. those areas were latinised by the romans though, they had completely distinct cultures before.
As an American, I found it really funny that the Chinese guy thought of the United States as a European mistake. I wouldn't say that he is wrong in that the US was definitely a failed British colonial policy, but I love the imagery of the rest of the world shaking their heads at the US and looking askance at the UK and the UK is like "I did my best..."
I knew he imagined Poland as a Federation in which Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine etc. are part of, with very high level of autonomy. But I didn't really know there was more to it.
the last time i heard the concept of intermarium (3 seas) mentioned was in a caspian report geopolitics video no idea it was formulated by pilsudski though
It's is very good video and very informative, but I want to point out 2 small mistakes. 1. When you mention boder co conflict between Poland and Czechosloviakia. The region - Cieszyn Silesia was majority Polish, exept the most western parts, which is shown in every population census at that time, even the Czech ones. Also this co conflict was not about taking the whole area, but about where to put the border. 2. Józef Piłsudski was not leader of First Polish Republic, but the second one. It's because in polish oficial name of our country lack the term republic (pl. republika) but we use term Rzeczpospolita - direct translation of Latin respublica into polish. Because oficial name of Polish-Lithanian Commonwealth was Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów, we refer to interwar Polish state as Second Rzeczpospolita.
Yeah, for 1. I can add that the contested area contained an important railroad junction connecting Prague and Moravia to Slovakia (one of the two existing at the time afaik), so it was an important strategic land for Czechoslovakia to obtain aside of the resource question. The capture of this junction was also given as a reason of the Polish annexation of the region in 1938 as it would, besides settling old disputes, improve Polish security in case of an invasion from the West.
@@xenamorphwinner7931 No, the direct translation of Rzeczpospolita is Republic, or Commonwealth. That's why the First Polish Republic is often referred to, as Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or the Commonwealth of the Two Nations. The second one is commonly used in Poland (Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów)
As an American in Switzerland (it happens) I would like to share a story. When I first came for my job interview the HR lady asked me why I wanted to move out there. My response was that I have wanted to live in Europe for a very long time. Her follow-up: "Then why do you want to come to Switzerland?" At the time I laughed it off, but after 4 years of living there and watching this video, I see her point. EDIT: Looking back, probably the best response would have been, "Well, it's a lot closer!" 😂
@@arturodiazcoca7408 Yes, but it's painfully neutral. Switzerland isn't in the Union, so it doesn't quite have the same benefits people would get from living in a country that is part of the EU. Pretty sure they also developed their culture completely differently from their neighbors, but that could be wrong
@@RiverRina what do you mean painfully lmao. They are the only sane ones who practice neutrality instead of warmongering because muh demucracy and europoor values are under threat lol.
@@RiverRina I would not call it completely different by any means, though by a quirk of history they managed to build a state and fierce national identity without basing it on language or really anything more than their security interests having pulled them together into a confederation. This has made Switzerland an inspiration for European Federalists in the past.
I find the Chinese perspective on Europe fascinating, mostly on the view of Rome. That it was a stabilizing force that tragically failed rather than an imperial Empire of its time that had great achievements but also caused much suffering. "They made a desert, and called it peace." comes to mind. I think it shows reading history from another culture it's not necessarily correct to read it like your own history, history rhymes but it's not the same.
As a Chinese, the way I interpret such infatuations we have for Rome stem from this: a powerful centralized state with a well maintained governing apparatus, strong army, influential high culture and language, evokes parallels to our first golden age, the Qin-Han dynasties. This lionized imagery of a strong dynasty ruled over by wise emperors is praised and alluded to not only in political pieces of later dynasties, but also ingrained into our historical and literary traditions, the Chinese utopia, in a sense.
@@TheLivetuner There was that feeling of nostalgia for the Roman Empire as well but as time has gone on sympathy for it has lowered, as historians have been more critical of them. Particularly how their empire conquering mirrors European imperialism. Rome as a society is looked back on more critically as the years go on.
@@khanhnguyen-tt3ff “The Mandate of Heaven” is a misleading English translation, as it was largely a secular idea represented using mystic language. It all comes down to honouring morality and political justification, there is really nothing religious about it in practice, thus the CCP isn't doing away with it entirely, just further eliminating whatever remains of the mysticism and the characteristic tied with dynastic structure.
As an American, you’re spot on the money about the European Union existing to prevent war. It’s one of the reasons that the US government has been fairly consistently pro-EU. Because WWI and WWII taught us that if Europe starts having a major war, the US will inevitably get dragged into it eventually. So anything that helps prevent another massive European land war is good for us too.
Ha its questonable. Until Nixon US were for EU, after him they realize EU could be a competitor to their economy and also an ally with its own will. Many problems exist in relationships between us. Look at the videos history of eu american ralations by TEPSA I think and another why are eu us relations broken
America was never "forced" into any war. In the first world war, america wasn't willing to deal with the compromises that were imposed by a major european land war. They didn't want to limit trade and civilian movement between continents. The second world war was mainly a self-fulfilling prophecy imposed by US management of the situation in Asia. Both wars also had major anglophile factions that were very influential in the entry of America, especially in the first world war.
This reminds me of an essay by George Orwell called "Towards European Unity." Written after WW2 he says that now that the nuclear bomb was invented, there are only three paths forward: 1) Total nuclear war, end of civilisation, return to the stone age. 2) Emergence of three or four nuclear imperialistic superpowers that will divide the whole world between them and devolve into all-encompassing bureaucratic dictatorships (basically the premise of 1984) 3) Foundation of the European Union. It's an incredibly prescient piece of text. The biggest threats for this plan, he writes in 1947, will be: - The UK, who will always prefer it's cross-Atlantic ties and boycott any European plans that don't involve the USA. - Russia who will never let go of its imperialistic tendencies...
@@tefky7964 Yeah, incredibly accurate. Well except for the third threat: he predicted that Vatican will oppose EU as well. But as far as I see, Vatican doesn't give a crap. To be fair, Orwell wrote it before the 2nd Vatican council, which modernized the church and made it less political.
@@Posiman Because what we got as European Union, is not the European Union born out of the wish to have stabile peace. It uses its name, but it is the second option: 1984!
This was very good! It's actually the best liberal response to realism from the European point of view - the fact that you can create what in our language is a Great Power which's rational self interest is internal cooperation. Now, it remains to be seen if countries will actually move in this direction (and there are reasons to doubt it, mainly that individual members would need to surrender various form of self interest), but if successful, a cooperative model could pretty much, as you put it, be the "death of Empire." It's a very ambitious project but if it succeeds it would be a very good thing.
It would only be the death of sovereign empire. Capital is very much an empire in its own right, but of a much different and ultimately more powerful kind.
In many ways the EU represents the best attempt, so far, at bringing about the "Death of Empire" and it is interesting to note that the two countries most struggling with this in the past two decades, Hungary and the UK, are either (Hungary) shouting a lot but never really putting their money where their mouth is, or (UK) putting their money where their mouth was and finding out within the last few years what a stupidity that was while now facing a situation they'd prefer to undo but that can't be undone (internally or externally) as easily as it was to leave the EU. The UK experiencing that a modern-day Ireland backed by its EU siblings is in many ways more influential, and more ... 'sovereign', than a post-imperial UK on its own was very educational.
@@frankwitte1022 Leaving the sinking ship that is the EU was certainly the right choice. The problem is, the political and financial elite who control the UK do not agree, and made sure to sabotage the exit process. This can be seen from the flailing ineffectiveness of every administration, post-Cameron, in actually implementing Brexit. Leaving was not a mistake, entrusting the process to those who have all the incentive to stay was.
@@zerologic7912 I think it's best to not confuse and confound matters by mixing them, it only makes finding solutions harder in the end. What I mean in this is, is that the argument that the EU seems like one of current best efforts against one of the elements of empire. That other elements exist should not stand against this, if one can't take step forwards then how would one ever reach the goal after all? Beyond that it's probably important to always keep in mind what capital really is and is really about. It's not about empire in the end after all, instead it is about the gathering of resources so one can do larger projects with it, be these factories, canals, railways, social services, etc. All of these require more 'capital' in the most abstract real meaning of the word then any single person can gather. But in the end this just means you need to be able to gather resources for larger projects as well, it says nothing about how such should be gathered, used or controlled. There's no rule a single individual must control it after all, many alternate forms exist like quite large non-profit organizations that say run a theme park quite successfully. I suspect it is examples like these that might help in your apparent goals to escape what happens when enormous amounts of capital are controlled by but a single person. Though I'll admit I'm guessing at your goals and all there, so I can but hope it is of some help for you.
Basically what the Chinese guy was saying is: China did ethnic cleansing better than any other empire, so they became a successful empire for thousands of years. Meanwhile, facts are ignored such as the various subversive of the imperial rules and cultural domination by various outside forces that make China of thousands of years ago not the same China today. There has never been a proper Chinese Empire that lasted for thousands of years. I have met someone who is a doctoral candidate from China completing her thesis in Australia, and she doesn’t know Vietnam exists, and she kept insisting that Vietnam is a province of China. Like what kind of medieval propaganda they teach over in China? Also on that topic Vietnam is an example of Imperial China’s methods and the failure of said methods. They attempted to assimilate Vietnam by immigration and cultural conversion in ancient time. But the reverse happened and the Chinese immigrants became the major force of resistance against further Chinese subjugation. That is why in modern time you often hear about the Chinese government spying on their young students oversea. China’s superiority complex toward its neighbors is also a historic issue that resulted in even further division within the Sinosphere. In modern time Japan, Korea and Vietnam have this thing going where they examine their culture and emphasise, exaggerate and export the parts that make them unique, especially if those parts distinguish them from China, and one another. Because China’s method has always been “I see Chinese culture there, so it is my land.” It created a reaction from its neighbours to establish themselves as unique culture, even though said countries were heavily influenced by Chinese culture. It’s obviously easier to subvert a country’s government when they share the same language and custom, much harder when your target countries use different alphabets, speak different tongue.
@@feastguy101 It's probably because Turkey before Ataturk and now after Ataturk is just another middle eastern (culturally) authoritarian theocracy, so the genius that was Ataturk often gets forgotten sandwiched between those periods.
@@viysnjor4811 Middle Eastern Theocracy... Erdoğan uses religion for politics. But Turkey is still a secular country. And trust me when I say this, the removal of secularism from the constitution would create a popular uprising. Same with the Kemalist ideology, Atatürk is pretty much still respected in Turkey (Even in the majority of Erdoğan supporters for some reason). What Turkey is experiencing is the possible future for Poland and Hungary. And they are not middle eastern last time I checked. Erdoğan's advantage is that he started earlier to corrupt the supreme court and military and has a much tighter grip to those than PiS or Orban currently has. You can say that we don't have an European culture. Sure. But we are not Arabs as well. The inclusion of Turkey to the Middle Eastern countries does not have any valid reason.
Ah man the ataturk/turkey videos on this channel are so good. Literally "what if all the american founding fathers were fused into ONE PERSON" and BAM you have Ataturk
@@Devillunar I understand the difference between Turks and Arabs, but Middle Eastern does not default to "Arab" either, anymore than saying a country has a "European" culture means they are Germanic. The issue is that modern Turkey has nothing in common with European nations, and instead far more in common with Middle Eastern ones (or Belorus/Russia) since Erdogan is an increasingly religious presidente-for-life type of figure.
First day of my Western History class in college, the teacher asked us "What is Europe", and proceeded to spend the next semester trying to give a good answer to that question
And this is why the EU is doomed to failure. There is no unifying "European Identity". The only undeniably true definition of Europe is a geographic one.
As a Czech allow me to point out a few things: 1. The Slovak language would only fully form in the 19th century while there was an ongoing debate whether it was a dialect of Czech or its own separate language. But it had been deemed that the Slovaks are in fact a distinct nation with a distinct language decades before the Austro-Hungarian empire's collapse. 2. There were Slovaks such as Ján Kollár who saw unity with Czechs as a bridge towards a pan-Slavic solidarity which in turn was a bridge towards global humanism. 3. Slovaks were deemed to be unable to defend their own independence from Hungary, making Czechoslovakia itself a practical necessity more than anything else. 4. The idea of "Czechoslovakism" was then put forward for a specific purpose which was to outnumber the more than 3 million Germans living on the Czech territory. That's why it never appeared again after WWII, since almost all of the Germans got deported as part of the post-war settlement.
You know... I wonder about this. Slovak language was pretty much unified due to Štúr in the 19th century when he Used the central Slovak dialect as the bench mark. However even to this day you can see a gradient from west of Cz to its east... And then from west of SK to its east. Where the regions between the two seem to overlap a little. Thus my idea here is this... If Slovak were not have been reformed by Štúr and the 3 Slovak dialects had remained intact... Would this gradient from Czech Republic to Slovakia be more obvious? After all Moravian Czech is easier and more akin to Slovak than bohemian one, and the region of Moravia called Slovacko is even more similar... Almost like a true blend sometimes. So.. in Theory... If this reform didn't happen and if Slovak dialects weren't diminished the Hungarian influence (which was part of the alarm for Štúr) .... Would czechoslovakia and the idea of Czechoslovak national unity be stronger and more possible? After all a level unity or at least strong Kinship/brotherhood was always there since Great Moravia really.
I have no idea about slovak/czech relations so I will not spew nonsense, but I do know enough that his comparison with serbia/montenegro is so off, it cannot even be taken seriously. there are so many issues with this video and obvious as well as not so obvious reasons how everything happened the way it happened, a lot of things simplified, biased/ignorant perspective, people really should put their noses in some history books instead of watching frauds like Kraut. there are many like him, I guess it's an overall internet phenomenon.. no wonder people don't know sh1t about history and claim a lot of things that could not be further from the truth. cheers
Czech an Slovak sound very distinct to me as a Pole. I understand Slovaks fairly well, and Czech not so much. So for me it feels like those are clearly separate languages. As for your pint 2. Piłsudski wished Czechoslovakia as a part of his pan-Slavic federation so those seems to be convergent views between him and Kollár
Man, this video is amazing. As a Ukrainian, I would definitely say, that the post-colonial future where Ukraine (and our bro Poland in no lesser sense) stop being the PVP zone for European/worldwide conflicts would be a nice change
I think that for a long time now, generally all slavic people have been the pvp zone for european/world wide conflitcs, the “europeans” have never likad us, we were always lower people, exploitable and living on land that was good for food, had its good resources and most importantly we have always been a border to Asia. Guarding Europe from Ottomans, Mongols and other invaders, and also preventing other europeans going to Asia. Also a unified tight connection between all slavic tribes was a big threat to them, as we are great in numbers and surface area, even before Russia expanded so far east. Sadly i don’t think we will ever get our peace
With Poland though I'm more worried about it taking over Russia's role as the imperial power of the region and starts to compete with Russia to dominate Ukraine. Democracy in Poland is starting to break down and the EU is not doing very well to correct it. I think Poland represents the modern EU better than any other member so integrating them is critical.
You - Ukrainians - have made it absolutely clear where you want to belong. No other nations paid with many lives for the wish to join the EU. It's shame on us that we didn't notice this, and act fast enough.
As a Georgian, I want to thank you for your wonderful channel and encourage you to continue portraying Georgia as a European nation (and a part of European history), which is critical for Georgians' self-perception.
From Portugal, I can tell you that I’ve always seen Georgians to be Europeans as a matter of course. Our maps show the Caucasus countries as being in Europe, and what I’ve seen of Georgia points to it being an European nation in all aspects. Can’t say the same of Russia. My opinion of Russia was never very positive, but it completely nosedived after their invasion of Georgia. Further history as only confirmed that negative view. My best wishes for Georgia, and my hope that you will eventually be able to liberate the unredeemed portions of your territory that were cut of you at gunpoint by the machinations of an evil imperial power.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Georgia should be considered European. But I guess when one is out near the edges of what is politically considered the European continent one might at times feel a bit less certain if everyone further towards the center actually agrees. Best of luck to Georgia though, it's certainly not in the easiest of positions right now, hopefully it can handle it all with out to much trouble.
@@feastguy101 I agree that Georgians are Europeans and while I'm not a fan of Russian aggression, that does not make their people non-European. Also let's not pretend that Georgia was some pure innocent victim, Abkhazians have a right to self-determination, their people have gone through enough suffering by Russian and Turkish empires, they don't need Georgian colonisation. Though I will say I am mixed on South Ossetia, Not trying to start a fight, just saying that too many rush to hate Russia blindly and anyone associated with them, but it's far more common that Russia uses people in difficult situation. Look at Armenians, Russia has them trapped, with Turkey and Azerbaijan constantly lobbying the EU and US if Armenia leaves the Russian sphere they will be isolated and possibly annihilated by an increasingly aggressive Aliyev regime. So yes Russia is an imperial power that cut that land away from Georgia, but blindly giving it back to Georgia in a heartbeat would not make the conflict that Abkhazians and Ossetians have with the central Georgian government go away, and Tbilisi to this day has shown no interest in any dialogue or appeasement. Important to remember that Stalin, who was a Georgian, ended the Abkhazian Soviet Socialist Republic and forced it to be a part of Georgia as an "autonomous" republic.
@@feastguy101 "Caucasus countries" were either part of Iran, Turkey or Russia for more than a thousand years. To say they are a part of Europe is to tacitly claim Iran and Turkey are European countries, which is a laughable claim.
Props to you for putting Atatürk in an objective light, and not be heavily skewed like how generally people see him. If Turkey has any differences from other Middle Eastern nations, it's all thanks to his work be it 20% economic growth rates or dramatically increasing the literacy rate of the country by introducing Latin letters. Granting workers and women rights as well.
@@RandomGuy-df1oy Ottoman Empire itself was not the most heavy handed with religion because it was a multiethnic empire with several religious groups and practitioners. Modern day Turkey being the centre of power under the Ottomas, and the direct offspring of the empire, it also inherited this relatively liberal temperament.
As an American, I have always had a very vague understanding of the European Union, but always wondered at (and got confused when trying to learn) anything more about it. As per usual, Kraut has managed to make a detailed and yet comprehensive video that has established a basic premise of the topic without shoehorning in too much personal opinion, and in turn, has made it significantly easier to understand. More excellent work from an excellent creator.
Completely agree with you. I also really liked that @Kraut explained the historical development of the EU, I was very important (and necessary) for a silly American like myself.
@@monkeyseatcatfood He negates to mention the fact that unfettered immigration has led to brexit also, due to massive increases in terrorism, grape and murder on our streets not to mention the pushing of Islamic culture across our nation.
Basically a gang. theres big China over here, and big USA over there. and some big powerful corporations creeping around. and russia is drunk again. im small, youre small, we're all small, so lets form up into one big force. so nobody can fck with us. and thats the eu. then suddenly .... ' yes but i deserve two slices of cake 🍰 because im Britain and im better than everyone and if you don't give me my two slices ill leave, theres probably more, and better cake outside anyway' - CLUNK. Adios. and that was brexit.
"Europeans can meet the challenges of the coming century only by pooling their efforts. We are convinced that what they need is one Europe - peaceful and democratic, a Europe that maintains all its diversity and common humanistic ideas, a prosperous Europe that extends its hand to the rest of the world. A Europe that confidently advances into the future." ---Mikhail Gorbachev
Indeed and I think what we need to do above all is avoid nihilism. Europe is not perfect and has many, many problems to work out that won't be easy to resolve. However we need to keep our trust in the EU and that if we all work hard we can resolve these conflicts. That for every problem there is a solution and if there isn't we can find a way to work around it or deal with it. The biggest threat to Europe is actually internal far right policies that threaten to tear the culture of cooperation apart. We shouldn't have delusions that it will be an easy thing or that no sacrifices will be needed. However we should keep the faith that we are all strong enough and wise enough to make it happen. Far right politics feed off of nihilism and that the only way to improve ourselves is to tear others down.
As an American dealing with a nationalist right wing refusing to acknowledge that America has become a backwards place. And in order to remedy that backwardness we must embrace European social democracy.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 here is the problem they refuse to acknowledge why it is declining. I.e allowing a massive rich poor divide that concentrates the vast majority of the wealth in the top 10 percent. Leading to an erosion of the power of the people to influence politics.
@@khai96x >Be Chinese > Open an English video >Write a comment in Chinese even though I speak English because otherwise why would I watch an English video >Provide no translation >Leave
Is it common in European education to overlook the bloodshed of the Interwar Period? The California educational system of the mid-2000s that I learned modern history in very strongly emphasized that the Interwar conflicts were nothing less than a run-up to World War II. It was an explosion of nation-states but was never characterized as a golden age of anything. Except maybe silent expressionism.
From my own experience (French public education), we are mainly taught about the post WW1 trauma and the rise of totalitarian nations, not much else. In general Eastern Europe history is barely touched upon. I'm assuming nationalists took their vision of a golden age of sovereign state from their own bottom, altough I'm far from knowlegable on their rethoric.
It would be hard to generalise about "European education" because every European country has a completely separate education system. For me personally as a Brit, it wasn't discussed much if at all even though I studied history, but that's only because my history course didn't cover that period. Also your channel is incredibly good, easily one of the best history channels on the website especially given how little attention the topics you cover get elsewhere.
In the Netherlands, we tend to focus on our own history and those of our close neighbours. It's mostly about being scared shitless about what was happening during WWI and to mostly zoom in on all the factors that led to the NSDAP claiming power post-WWI and then WWII, the occupation and a few other events. We were taught nothing about the Interwar Period in Eastern Europe.
В России мы это проходим просто потому что это настолько нас касалось что это невозможно упускать. Жаль только что все больше и больше в наших учебниках оправдывают белогвардейцев.
Really like this video. How the European project evolves is going to be rather interesting. Hopefully it is something that adapts & becomes a framework for other regions to consider.
I love that someone is finally addressing that the French Empire still exists. With all the racism, abuse, exploitation and military intervention that French West Africa has suffered.
Nothing says colonialism like sending an expeditionnary force to Mali to save the country from falling apart and being overtaken by jihadis, loosing dozens of good frenchmen in the process, investing millions to rebuild the Malian army, permanently setting up bases in the desert to make sure that they'll never come back, only to be booted out of the country a few years later because the local junta decided they were going to use the evil white soldier as a scapegoat for anything going sour, and just leaving without sending any kind of bill whatsoever. Meanwhile our soldiers were fighting for their country, their youth obviously kept running away from it and illegaly immigrating en masse to France. And they just never thanked us for anything whatsoever. Damn, I guess we really are a shit empire.
Fantastically clever and well-written video. One note at 18:30 : Piłsudzki was the leader of the Second Polish republic, not the first. The first would be what English speakers refer to as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The words "Commonwealth" and "Republic" are one and the same in Polish
I usually like your content but there are things bugging me here : - UK not being a nation state but an empire is a weird take. What made France a nation state and not an empire then ? - the position you have on France is kind of demonising. In what way is France nei colonising Africa? I don't mean to say they aren't but there are things to discuss : - the argument about the entry of Urkaine in the EU is irrelevant. First because other countries also are reluctant to let them enter, Germany for example. Second, yes policies on agriculture would be turned on their head with Ukraine entry. Saying that France should accept cheap uranium for the end of its agricultural sector is ignoring the lives of the farmers that would lose their jobs (lives that are already difficult). If you think in term of military presence in Africa, it was required in 2013 by Mali but was extended to several countries in the subsaharan region. It should be noted to say that a military presence in this region contribute to European security. France and Britain being the only two countries with expeditionary forces in Europe, it's no wonder why it's France there considering the special relation it has with its former colonies. May I had France left Mali after their demand but the few troops of Germany there will stay until 2024 despote what is wanted by Mali. About Uranium, some number on uranium origins for various uranium importées around the world would have been nice to make a point of comparison. If Niger Uranium is that cheap and only needs to travel half the distance of Canada to France, why France buy 50% from Canada ? I could mention other countries that slow European integrations : - Ireland and Netherlands act as tax heaven in the EU, sucking tax revenues from other countries - Doesn't spain have a special relationship with South American countries ? In what way does it not slow the EU to advance then ? - didn't Germany slow EU progression by being thus dependent to Russian gas ? Didn't it help them stay ahead in term of industry/economy and helped them leverage their power in the EU ? Is Germany afraid to lose its leadership to France in the EU now that there is no Russian gas anymore and that UK left ? I have never heard that argument about the relation between France and Africa slowing down EU integration, but it makes not a lot of sense to me as I can point a lot of other reasons about other countries that seem more reasonable and grounded
I agree totally on the France issue, I think it’s a red herring when many other EU states are drags on greater integration. But I have to differ on the UK which is still an Empire. Ask an English person and they won’t see one but go to Wales and especially Scotland and Northern Ireland and you’ll probably find a large minority/majority who consider themselves attached to an empire against their democratic will. To have separatism in such close proximity to the seat of power is quite destabilizing and the English will have to find a way to peacefully deal with this before their empire disintegrates entirely. The EU was a good sticking plaster on that separatism but now it’s gone the pull will only get greater. This is simply not an issue in France where separatism is a very minor issue in most of mainland France and one defeated by economic necessity in its colonies and Corsica.
His numbers about Uranium furnishers for France are completely false. Canada accounts for only a small fraction of france's uranium, Niger is at 17 %, and Khazakstan is the n1 furnisher, a bit a ahead of Niger and Uzbekistan.
A game theory observation; the importance of the rituals that kraut talks about is that they build trust and thereby make reciprocity possible. This makes it possible for national cooperation to become a positive sum game, which it seems the influence sphere/ imperialist view fails to recognise and consequently missed out on
I have the impression that France is not only using its African sphere of influence to increase its power in the EU, but is also using the EU to strengthen its African sphere of influence. The EU also has increasing centralist tendencies. If centralism in the EU prevails, the EU will become an instrument of imperial politics. For example, 40% of EU citizens could outvote the remianing 60% (this is how elections typically look) and send the future EU army to Africa.
You hit on something that I cut out of the video to finish it faster. It is in fact a valid political concern in modern Europe. Spanish, German, Dutch, and Belgian troops, assisted France in its military mission in Mali. An assistance that was granted due to French influence over both Africa and political influence in the E.U. And it raises an issue that should be discussed: Should European troops fight the wars of a singular European state? In particular, if these wars are not even defensive?
Could you explain how 40% of eu citizens could out vote 60%, from my understanding that could only happen under the electoral system like first past the post which i think the uk is the only one in europe to use.
@@Kraut_the_Parrot well, it was also because intervention in Mali had overwhelming public and political support in both Europe and across West Africa. The immediate success of the intervention was undermined by Mali overthrowing her own government (with the benefit of hindsight it's clear that Wagner were involved earlier than previously thought), but the fact remains that all of France's African allies, including the Malian government, and European participants in the intervention, had popular support across the board.
@@Victorvondoom9159 It doesnt quite elect proportionally. Smaller countries generally have more representatives pr. voter as a way to keep the EUP from becoming dominated by the countries with the largest populations in Europe. I assume this is what is being refered to.
I love Europe as a romanian. Its a way for us to understand that we can win a lot more if we can cooperate instead of fighting one another as it has been the case for thousands of years. The EU isnt perfect however it has shown that it can still keep going despite the obstacles and crises.
Certainly isn't perfect, but it seems like a good idea and ideal to try and work on for now. Can't say I see much hope in the alternatives at least, none of those I've heard of seem to have nearly as much prospects to keep things peaceful and prosperous. If world peace could be achieved eventually via a method like this in time as well, one can but try at least I think.
@@schtreg9140 No hard feelings, it's just politics, and you don't need to apologize. We retaliated and OMV profits were smashed by a tax introduced last week(Some billions) and Austrian banks are losing big. Austria did not win anything by doing this and lost a lot and it will continue to lose.. I mean, we have the biggest untapped oil and gas resources in the area, and until December you guys were the main partners in this win-win situation, and when I say win-win I am also speaking about bilateral high-level corruption.
i love how portugal is having this back to back appearance at the very ends of the videos with their international ideas that i really hope aren't somehow linked to lusotropicalism
No I think it’s much more to do with geography. Like kraut pointed out in the Danube video there ought to be an EU cooperative block aiming to promote Atlantic trade with Portugal, Ireland, Iceland and the UK as they are separated from the Rhine, Danube, Baltic and Mediterranean regions.
Portugal is a periferic country in the European settings so we tend to look to the oceans and trade there. Sure it's easy with the Portuguese speaking countries but we tend to keep past trade partners (India, Indonesia, Japan, etc) to promote peace and trade. Lusotropicalismo was a last effort to make the Portuguese empire survive past the ww2 and cold war
@@avet4952 it's discontent with the politics and a lack of connection between the general public and political parties. Check partys like Volt Portugal IL or Livre more modern than the tradicional and not so extreme
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As a Brazilian, i really hope Mercosul can properly develop.
no, these unions between Hispanic-Americans and Portuguese-Americans always end up with Brazil having to have the external responsibility of a Germany without German resources, in the end this MercoSul only means that we have to support the socialist dictatorship of South America and throw the our people in the hole, we should put all these projects, especially peso-real far away from here
@@sabianaum7263 because policies between South American countries are quite erratic and tend to change a lot between governments That is why the Central American countries and Mexico end up revolving in the orbit of influence of the US or China, because South America is too unstable
@@armandoventura9043it is not like Europa was that much stable at that time. This kind of political projects require decades, maybe generations, it is a long process but not at all impossible. You must start from somewhere, Latin America has to stop to be the puppet of some imperialistic narcissistic nation.
That's because you're not Chinese. It's like an American viewing European history from an American perspective or an Inuit viewing Chinese history from their perspective.
The Warring States/Spring and Autumn periods are a massive element of the Chinese cultural myth. The narrative goes that the major Chinese project of the first millennium B.C. was in finding a common bedrock. The Han identity and the Confucian societal model are seen as the legacy of that effort, and they're the reason China is such an anti-fragile entity today: China cares first and foremost about its own unity and security. You can see the same attitude in their modern "assimilation projects" in Tibet and Xinjiang, with those regions being deemed of paramount geopolitical importance to Han security. That's why they're willing to risk the bad PR that comes with cultural genocide these days.
@@Boretheory Yeah most people, especially people politically apathetic or not all that interested in history, don't tend to think this way, but plenty of people DO think this way about the Roman Empire, and Europeans themselves have thought about Europe this way probably from the fall of Rome. Charlemagne had a whole restoration of Rome in the West going on precisely because there was a desire for that. The Roman Church has attempted to keep the fragmented Europe under it united as much as it could too. The Renaissance really brought back nostalgia for antiquity as well. The more anti-imperial peace and unity idea is comparatively much newer, maybe only 500 or 600 years, only really taking off in the last 300, compared to the imperial peace which has existed since Rome and was still present as a motivation in the Napoleonic Wars.
I love how every video goes by this logic Nationalism bad Hungary bad German nationalism bad France bad Uk bad EU good also Russia bad liberalism and free markets good
@@balintlakatos7533 I am actually a progressive but i am also a pragmatist . Kraut is the epitome of German centrism. His loves the eu but refuses to criticize the current system . Germany has no backbone and its legit vassal state . Also his attacks on nationalism are dumb many nationalists fought for the freedom of their nations without being racist . Bismarck for example opposed any wars after the unification of Germany and worked very hard to avoid wars he also calls Bismarck a dictator despite the fact that Imperial Germany Had elections
Europe's division was a big reason it didn't stagnate like China did. Failing to evolve would mean your neighbour would defeat you. China was an evolutionary dead end pre-century of humiliation, they had no need to evolve and probably would have remained a pre industrial farming society. From this perspective, the EU means Europe has lost its greatest strength, the conflict which caused its evolution.
Very thought-provoking comment, especially that last sentence. A rare perspective I've never heard before, and it might very well be true. Unity can certainly encourage stagnation and it might explain why the Romans rarely innovated after taking control of the Mediterranean.
@@Royal-sp9pb To me though I think we have to ask ourselves is stagnation really a bad thing. You cannot have infinite growth. You either gain more territory or can't keep up. But, the Earth is limited unless we go to space. But then we have the solar system. But what if we can't get past that? There will always be a roadblock to infinite growth. Is conflict really the solution? Like a phoenix die and rebirth? The peoples thousands of years ago no longer exist. There is no Sumerian, Hittite, or roman peoples left. There are a few Assyrians which is a miracle in of itself. The last old Europeans before Indo-Europeans are still alive in Basque. But, people die out and new people create new things. But, is that really good? Right now, in our globalized world we're seeing fewer individual cultures being relevant. more people try to emulate the west and learn English forgoing their native language. I don't know if thats a good thing. But, I think its something we need to discuss. Do we let conflict happen to let new ideas flourish and new people to emerge? Or do we embrace peace, globalization, stability, and stagnation and try to live with that.
Wow, what perfect timing! We just did a video on the empty chair crisis which was a really formative experience for modern Europe. Great video as usual!
What made you go from remainer to pro brexit? I was and still am a remainer (for economic reasons mainly) but the past being the past, being leave or remain is irrelevant. I'm unsure if I would be a "rejoiner" though. I would like to hear your opinions on the EU and why it's not it.
@@lordgemini2376 I voted remain as a teenager in college. I believed in multiculturalism, progress and pan national identity. I also love history. David Cameron lead the Remain Campaign on the idea that we could change the EU from within and block it's most radical tendencies, at the time that was the European Army. On the other hand I held sympathies with the Brexit Campaign and some of it's aims. I am a patriot, mainly of our history. I was never convinced of the net economic gain of leaving the EU, I knew it would harm the economy on a Net level. I did want closer ties with the Commonwealth and America, and honestly so did the EU like with Canada and Australia. The main thing that made me flip was democracy. I was determined to accept and support whichever vote won. Brexit won so now I look to the benefits of Brexit.
@@Litany_of_Fury A yes because democracy is actually hivemindism. You don't have to change you opinions because a majority disagrees with you. You just have to accept that most other ppl disagree with you. Most of the time that doesn't even matter if it is something which can be decided between individuals. But in the case of brexit that is a bit hard.
I think it is also worth pointing out that the United States, while being an Empire, is also kind of a case of political cooperation between groups towrds a common goal: the United States is not just a branding thing, and that while the Federal government has a lot of power, we have a lot of individual states within us that have more power than is sometimes acknowledged.
Additionally, the United States's international relations position works as a formwork of cooperation for North America. In true Monroe Fashion, this network of cooperation extends towards the Pacific with Guam, A. Samoa, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan -- plus the 'Indo-Pacific Economic Framework'.
Nice video as always. I completely agree with you that the EU should be seen as the prototype of the model for the post-colonial world Thanks from Ukraine for your content and Happy New Year
Calling the EU post-colonial is laughable. The members abuse their membership to pressure trading partners, especially in Africa, into unfavorable deals. The EU is not post-colonial, it is neo-colonial.
“The worst thing that ever happened to west Africa was the fall of the *Malian* empire.” I’ve often thought that a similar argument to the one made at the start about Rome could also be made about the west African region and the Malian empire.
@@eliasstenman3710 I see your point but in my mind Songhai is to Mali as Byzantium is to Rome. Some may disagree but I still view mail as being at the core and height of the Sehalian and west African imperial system.
As an American I had the same idea as the Chinese viewer that the European union was an attempt to gain enough collective political power to create a European sphere of influence to compete with America and China spheres of influence. i guess its more a framework to get separate nation states to work together. I hope that the system does spread more and nation states are going to work together better
I do too. This is the Realist worldview. Keep in mind that this is Kraut presenting his Liberal worldview (Liberal in the context of international affairs, not Liberal as in the free market or LGBT rights). I still recognise that it is a good alternative way of seeing things, but the Liberal theory is a bit flimsy atm.
Keep in mind that this is his way of seeing it, his point of view, but that's not necessarily what "the EU is about" according to everyone. I'm European (from Italy) and I view the EU as a way for Europe to gain collective political influence to stand its ground against giant countries like India, China and the US, and I hope for this reason that Europe will follow the path of integration and unity in the future, and so do many other European people too. To just dismiss the EU as "nations cooperating" seems unfair to me because it ignores European institutions such as the European Parliament, directly elected by European people, and the ideas of a lot of people who genuinely feel European and hope that European countries can recognise that they are much more similar than they are different. The UN is "nations cooperating", the EU is an "ever closer union", a political entity that calls its citizens "europeans".
@@talete7712 The EU will not become a collective political influence until Europeans respect each other's geopolitical needs -and thus far that has proven to be impossible.
@@stephenjenkins7971 are you from an EU country? By your name I think you aren't. If you aren't then you have no say in this. Why do you even care so much?
@@talete7712 I was giving an opinion on the state of the EU. Am I wrong? Seeing as you're trying to deflect to where I live, I'd say you know I'm correct.
Being friends with people you disagree with is fun. No need to filter your opinions, no fear of echo chambers, monotony-breaking conflicts on demand...
Always enjoy hearing continental Europeans tell us Brits what we think. Apparently you know what we think better than we do. If there was anyone who supported Brexit because they wanted to return to the days of empire, then it was tiny. Indeed, the only people who talked about the empire during the Brexit campaign and the years afterwards were remainers who insisted that's what brexiteers wanted, and then attacked them for it. I believe that's what people call a "strawman". It's telling that Europeans used the "you're not a powerful empire anymore" line as a way to try to persuade Brits not to leave the EU, and yet we still did. It makes it clear that Brits don't care about not being a great, imperial power any more, but that Europeans do. Also, the empire wasn't profitable for Britain, especially after Indian independence. It was a financial burden, which is ultimately why it ended; we couldn't afford to maintain it anymore. If it had been profitable, we would have worked much harder to keep hold of it, I assure you.
In his "co-operation as an international order" chapter he talks about how the European project is about post-imperial peaceful co-operation. I don't see why we can't create a similar post-imperial structure of co-operation with CANZUK. Sure, it's not as economically large and impressive as the EU, but does it really have to be?
Private companies continue to make a killing off the former colonies. I think of it as the government fronting the bill so that private companies bring the money home. The UK, the Netherlands, and especially France just realized you don’t need the colony anymore.
As an American who was always too busy to figure out what Brexit was about, may you please tell me what it is that Brexiteers were aiming for in leaving the EU? I may have vague ideas, but nothing concrete
@@Zeromus725 I'm happy to give a brief run-down for science. Disclaimer - this is what was going through my mind in 2016, but I'm not aiming to start a flame war here, so I'm not going to defend them if people want to tear them apart in the replies: The biggest part was immigration. A lot of people say that Brexiteers just hate foreigners, but looking at the bigger picture, the Brexit vote was in 2016, in the middle of the European Refugee Crisis from Syria. The EU's response basically amounted to "Southern Europe is swamped? Germany, France, UK, Sweden, you guys pick up the slack. Wait, terrorist groups are openly gloating that they're sneaking terrorists into Europe among the refugees? How about we just ignore them?" which lead to a spike in terrorism across the continent for years to come. Even with buying Russian petrol and gas, 6 years later, the EU always seem to make themselves look complacent and spineless and slow to act on anything until it's too late. Another part was fishing. The population of cod in the English Channel has been suffering from overfishing for decades, and a large portion of the fishermen were from Spain, and not even the UK. Under EU law, this matter is out of the hands of the UK government, and the EU never enforced the kind of environmental protections for British waters that they have for the Mediterranean Sea. It's a good example of what brexiteers mean when talking about "taking back control" whether they're right or wrong. I also need to bring up the misinformation campaign. Boris Johnson infamously advertised on the side of a bus that the UK gave £350 billion a year to the EU, and should instead give it to the NHS. Also, British people were getting targeted with Facebook adverts telling them to vote Brexit which could be traced back to Russia or Cambridge Analytica. It's not a valid reason to vote Brexit, but sadly I'd be lying if I said misinformation wasn't involved. A big part was also CANZUK and the Commonwealth. The UK founded an enormous association of countries that made up a third of the world population, just to ignore them and only form trade agreements with them as part of the EU instead. A commonly brought up replacement for the EU is often the CPTPP which is a faster-growing economy than the EU. Back in 2014, David Cameron promised "one last go" to make big changes to the EU to give the UK powers to limit the free movement agreement, to help stop terrorists and help keep immigration at manageable levels. It went about as well as you'd expect. Similarly, France are currently attempting to create something (I've heard people describe it as the EU 2.0) to make it easier for European nations to co-operate and trade without necessarily having to be in the EU and follow its laws. It's a cool idea, but it's ultimately unlikely to go anywhere. Also, the UK is attempting a "Swiss-style" relationship with the EU, which from minute 1, everyone was sceptical of because the EU hates its current relationship with Switzerland and desperately wants to leverage Switzerland to join. I'm still sceptical of the common argument that "The EU is a great idea, it just needs reform" because the EU seems inflexible and hell-bent on fighting any reform, including those that it desperately needs. Edit: something else I forgot to bring up is that the EU wants to merge into a super-state. I've seen people argue that it's not, but not convincingly. One of the EU's core principles is "ever-deepening" co-operation and integration. Enforcing that will inevitably lead to a United States of Europe in the long term. This isn't really an unpopular option for countries like Sweden, Poland, or Ireland, but obviously it's a harder pill to swallow for the UK, which is a former superpower and has a history and still has current allies, interests, and British Overseas Territories to protect on the other side of the world. Would a centralised EU military really bother deploying to, say, the South Atlantic Ocean if the Falklands needed protecting? There is a case to be made for a federal United States of Europe, but it is not popular in the UK, and it's the clear direction the EU are currently taking. Also blue passports FTW lol Apologies for the essay, but this is an oversimplification if anything. We had about a year of this back-and-forth in the UK, and then another 6 and a half years afterwards.
@@belnonaodh1520 I see, there's a lot of stuff in here I'd never heard before, like with the fishing thing. It seems reasonable to me that people would want to protect the aquatic ecosystems and relevant commerce. The other points are interesting too even if more evidently debatable. Immigration I do remember being a huge topic. For the potential replacement economic alliances, did that end up fading away to time? Hindered by the pandemic? Work in progress? And about the Boris bus thing, is it infamous because it was false, misleading, or some other reason? I also appreciate that you're not afraid to talk about the misinformation. Thanks for the post!
As a Lithuanian I grew up somewhat hating Pildsusky (butchered name) as in history classes it’s told that he did not recognized Lithuanian language and wanted to make Polandised federation alongside giving orders to Zeligovsky (another butcher) to create an unreal army mutiny and conquer Lithuania and Vilnius (read more, it’s somewhat sad to see previous brothers to go at each other’s throats). After changes in education system in Lithuania and learning more, I know see Pildsusky as a flawed man with great, but flawed ideas.
To be frank, as a polish student of history, I can tell you quite confidently that (at least in the academic circles of my university) the glorification and the Cult of Marshal Piłsudski, which was so prevalent over the years, is now being steadily torn down. He's facing much more scrutiny for both his foreign and especially internal policies. I can't with certainty capture the opinion of the general public, but I feel that it is also shifting towards a more critical view of his actions. Most people agree that he was instrumental, or at the very least incredibly important for Poland during its early years of independence, but his actions later on leave a lot to be desired. And, while his idea of Prometheanism was something that definitely had some potential, at least on paper, it would have been very difficult or even impossible to implement during the turbulent political situation at the time. Also he had always put Polish interests first on the diplomatic stage, so it's not that far of a stretch that his Prometheanism Project would have Poland take the center stage in this new "Cooperative Collective". Okay, that's enough of an essay, bye.
Yeah, lots of people who have some good ideas... but also many a flaw. We can but hope I guess to try and find the good ideas thought of over time and try to assemble them in to yet better new ideas. Hopefully we'll have some success at that.
@@qqtrol1774 He was more of the Vilnius citizen, so considered himself such. Also recently learned, that he actually spoke Lithuanian alongside Polish as his first language.
My favorite joke about the UN is by the onion. I can remember it’s direct quote but it goes like: “UN increases training of peace soldiers to properly watch Genocides”
As someone who’s first major political involvement was Brexit some grand RETVRN TO EMPIRE was absolutely not what drove people to vote leave. The only people claiming that were schitzos and remainers insisting that the Leavers wanted that. What got people’s back up more than anything was first the closed off clique of politicians commission that made all the laws that would be voted on and contained some very unpopular figures (unpopular in both Europe and the UK, if Von der Linde being burnt in effigy by the Bunderswehr was anything to go by) and the wasteful way certain things in the EU were done Then being fobbed off in negotiations by an EU that didn’t understand that Brexit was a large political movement (with most political parties promising a referendum as a major vote winner) confirmed in many people’s minds the EU wasn’t willing to change or take genuine anger at the situation seriously. Anyone but British people having legislative power of the UK was always going to be a hard sell. The UK also saw the EU’s movement towards centralised control as little more than an attempt to make the USA EU style since no one could propose legislation outside the commission I really think the EU would be better off not trying to become the centralised primary legislature of the nation states of Europe, its going to lead to more resentment. Cos if the EU fucks anything up (looking at you delayed vaccine rollout that took months to get a contract with its myriad phama companies) the entire project takes a massive hit
Hello. There might be a hiatus between the nature of the Brexit debate, whiwch is the way the Brexiteers presented it to the population, and their own ideas and objectives. In essence (and that's also illustrated) by your post, it shifted attention on everything but oneselves. When you do that, all of the above in your post seems pointless.
@@nico210 Your post is incoherent What does that even mean “shifting attention from oneself” (I assume you mean brexiteer which isn’t true). This is a debate not about brexiteers but about the EU. The EU’s actions and inactions were central to the leave vote regardless about your feeling on the matter. With the referendum being that close I really think a more responsive EU actually willing to do take certain demands seriously would have made the difference
@@maxkennedy8075 My post was a response to your post and your post was about the Brexit(eers), not about the EU. You think your post was about the EU, my answer is that it's only about the delusions and myths about the EU and Britain propagated during the referedum debate. Basically imaginary Britain vs a imaginary EU, and a way not to look properly in the mirror. Which part is not coherent?
As a Chinese person, I wish the country never unified and proceeded along the European path. There’s pride for having the oldest continuous civilization state yes, but life for the average person was abject misery for most. The unified state encouraged stasis. There might have been an alternate history where competition amongst (at the time advanced) Sinitic states brings about an early scientific revolution. The existing history supports this. Some of the greatest philosophical and technological innovations took place during the warring states period pre unification
It is a sad truth, that wars breed the fastest innovation, as people make up technologies to kill each other better as well as to protect themselves against one another. Truly a sad thing to observe about humans wherever you look. I personally do not see any point in being proud of some random (I had no influence on where and when I was born) factoid of any culture. I would not be a proud "X", based on "X" size, history, conquers, etc. Actually, I want to humbly acknowledge my place in the world, which I share with so many other humans. Maybe I am influenced by being Slovak. We, Slovaks, never colonized, never dominated other nations, never initiated wars (we were just dragged along by external forces into them). We just wanted to live peacefully on the land we were born in, use our native language for communication also in churches and official documents, making up our own rules. Slovakia has no big "global" history, heck, most people in the world could not even find Slovakia on a map. And we have only a handful big personalities that are somewhat internationally known. But that is OK. It is still better than build an illusion of greatness around some "big superpower" myth, as it can and often does lead the simpler minded people of "big superpower" into arrogance against other "small" countries/nations. Having a "big superpower" history is a double-edged sword and it can harm small nations as well as the big ones, if they fall for their own lies and stories.
It will if certain vast immediate neighbour with lots of military potential stops being vast or having military potential 😉 And if you are into conspiracy theories that _might_ be a reason why US hesitates to provide Ukraine with means to deliver a knockout blow.
@@Sometimes_Happiness As I said it's just and exercise in conspiracy thinking I found funny. But I still believe that European dependency on US for security would diminish a lot when there would be no potential danger from the east.
wow thank you for the great summary and over all view on the topic. I am Hungarian, and I always wondered why there were no reconciliations between Hungary and neighbouring countries, even tough I tought it would be beneficial for all of us. Sadly Not many of us Hungarians understand the EU, and why its there, hopefully in the future this can change.
We did have some official reconciliation with Serbia and compared to 20 years ago Hungarian relations with Slovakia and Romania are steadily improving. Governmental cooperation has been very well and the younger generations are less concerned about past grievances. (Schengen and the Internet probably helped a lot here). Most far right troublemakers are relatively fringe with a small size loud bark and are usually funded by Russia. The only country Hungary has a real problem with is Ukraine, because the Ukrainian officials can't help themselves but behave like dicks. It doesn't help that from a Hungarian point of view Ukrainians and Russians are seen as the same, both are just slightly different sounding Soviets.
As I like to say to all Romanian and Hungarian nationalists, there are more people living in 2 Asian cities than there are Hungarians and Romanians on the planet. The feud is pathetic, we were besties until 1848.
@@DerDop I agree. our division only makes it easier for the west and Russians to control us. If we work together we actually have a chance to build something decent.
There were and are. The tripoint (hármashatár) at Rajka is a very good example of this. It is a point where the borders of Austria, Slovakia and Hungary meet. There are no walls, barbed wire or checkpoints. There is only a triangular table where the borders intercept. The problem is 1) the continued presence of large Hungarian ("hostage") minorities in the successor states and 2) it is politically expedient for these countries to cynically exploit the animosity. In Hungary, the remembrance of past grievances is kept continuously alive by the both nationalist provocation from neighbouring nationalist movements, and the constant stories of mistreatment of Hungarian minorities. This can be exploited for political gain, because it creates a "Hungary vs the world" kind of separatist mentality. This mentality then _demands_ rituals celebrating the historical Greater Hungary and the condemnation of the current status quo. Then, on the other side, Hungarians remembering Trianon is exploited by the neighbours as they overreact to the smallest of gestures (last thing was Orban wearing a scarf with the picture of Greater Hungary) because by presenting an external enemy and especially an internal threat (the Hungarian minorities), cynical politicians can energise their electorate. The way out would be: Joint effort by all parties to emphasise the meaninglessness of borders in Europe (sadly can't happen with Orban fighting his war of independence against Brussels...) Joint effort by all parties to downplay the real historic atrocities they suffered (not lying about them, just stop mentioning them all the time) Hungary must stop the victim narrative (prevailing narrative is that Hungary was the defender of Europe against the Turks, but was then betrayed and thrown to the wolves by the West after WW1) The neighbours must stop overreacting to minor gestures and must stop pretending Hungary has any capacity to threaten their territorial integrity (especially when it's now the poorest nation in the EU after Bulgaria and has its hands busy by trying not to collapse)
Poland promoted Prometheism and then got punished for it by the empires they wanted to rebel against. It's like poetry. It's a shame, obviously but it's also interesting.
You're right it is a tragic moment of history, and Intermarium SHOULD have happened, however Poland's territorial ambitions for Lithuanian, Ukrainian and Czech territories somewhat detract from that sympathy towards their second republic.
How interesting that great peace-loving poles in 1920s somehow ended up themselves becoming oppressors and conquerors after taking Czech land and west Ukraine and Belarus. Oh wait, they always were like this, they just got unlucky and lost to other empires.
@@sirgromith They were trying to recreate the borders of PLC. It didn't help that many people in power in Poland were of mixed ethnicity (Piłsudski was Polish/Lithuanian) and didn't want a Poland that's just for the Poles.
I must say that i am increasingly relieved and enjoying it when I see posts and videos that neither fear complexity and oversimplify, nor hide behind some form of codified language. It takes time to explain things. Leaving things open that are open and for discussion or the future to show. Well done! Also it's great to see less known figures from history that may not have had a brilliant success but simply hit the core of the problem or found some interesting (albeit mystified and romanticised) perspective and picture to see things. One needs to be very careful though with this European cooperation, welfare and prosperity thing. There is still another perspective that the EU may not bring peace in: in-vs-out, and have-lots vs have-nots and the asymmetry in political influence.
@@lordgemini2376 Unfortunately Belgium and Germany (and sometimes France) use their disproportionate influence on the EU to bully the smaller member states, namely in Eastern and Southern Europe, and I feel are turning the EU into just another empire, especially as we see with them prohibiting people from utilizing their own national resources (one of the reasons for Brexit, British fishers were not allowed to fish in British waters) and with their calls to create an EU army. Perhaps Kraut's bias blinds him to this, but as an outsider (American) this whole situation seems very suspicious to me, and if I were living in Europe I would be very worried at the direction Brussels is steering the EU.
@@bfedezl2018 I disagree. Brussels did better preserving peace in Europe when it was simply a common market and didn't (overtly) interfere into the affair of state. The pretense of being a apolitical system was a pretense it was a useful useful at developing codependents and reconciliation without becoming a direct threat to the traditional nation state. It's making the mistakes the Catholic church did in the 11th century.
In my opinion the main goal of the European Union is unfortunatelly diffirent than this presented in the video. By polish person's point of view there are too many subtle details hidden beneath the idealistic blanket, which suggests that the true purpose of all this is simply german realpolitik and economic dependency. For the past 3 decades after the unification of Germany it put much effort in turning Middle Europe into it's market, taking advantage of Schengen for customless product exports and for cheap labour to big german brands. Germany didn't care if the Nord Stream 2 would make negative impact on other countries (again, perspective of polish person), the same went for intercepting italian masks imports during Corona outbreak, going against the principle of european solidarity. Polish atempts at commiting to nuclear energy are still being delayed by german influence, which goes according to Germany's plans to become energetic powerhouse with intent to addict much of the Europe during upcoming energetic instabilities. All of this makes german led EU untrustworthy, despite all those atractive promises of unified Europe after our bloody history. All of this was reinforced to me by Germany's political maneuvers during this year's war in Ukraine, when the perspective of economic loss was presented when Russia became the bad guy. But let me be clear - the topic of this video is very interesting, and the diffirent point of view from person born on the other side of the globe (and being confronted by the liberal standpoint) still gave me new insight in those questions. Thank you for the video.
Exactly the only danger in Europe is Germany not France, it's Germany who wish to dominates the EU not France again, and it's also Germany fault if there is a war in Ukraine as they financed Russian military for decades and still does with billions upon billions of € every day for gas
The coin has always two sides. Taking advantage of Schengen for cheap labour could also be seen as direct investments and providing employment. Costumless exports can go in both directions and a lot of german companies have problems with the competition from our eastern neighbors. Six months ago Germany was blamed for ruining Europe by not having enough energy to survive the winter, now it is for becoming an energetic powerhouse. It always depends on the perspective. But I really don't understand why everything the EU does, is interpreted as a german plot for dominance. Per capita Germany has the least representatives in the EU parliament, every nation gets only one seat in the European Commission (Polands commissioner is responsible for agriculture) and every nation has the veto right in the European Council. Yes, germans have a lot of economic weight and they can be really annoying smarta**es, but does this make them dominant? Anyway, the EU is meant to make sure that we sort our differences out with arguments, as a worst case in a courtroom in Luxemboug. If we manage to keep it this way, the EU is a success. Love from Berlin!
I agree that Germany does uses its influence to advance its selfish interests. But by no means that the EU is some kind of Zollverein that only benefits German imperial aspirations. You can always leave and see how the EU has been instrumental on Poland's rapid economic growth. One thing that people always tend to think wrong in economics is this: ever since the Industrial Revcolution, our world has always been positive-sum. Meaning, it's NOT zero-sum.
7:00 I think you mixed up the Silesian Uprising with the Polish-Czechoslovak war here. Polish-Czechoslovak had more ethnic(majority Polish areas)/area control(important railroad connection for CzS) reasons, and it was instigated by Czechoslovakia not Poland. Silesian Uprising is as you mentioned - mixed population (Silesians) and coal, lots of it.
My response to your Chinese viewer on the backwardness of Europe. When Britain first, at Heaven's command Arose from out the azure main; This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sang this strain: "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves." The nations, not so blest as thee, Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall; While thou shalt flourish great and free, The dread and envy of them all. "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves." Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful, from each foreign stroke; As the loud blast that tears the skies, Serves but to root thy native oak. "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves." Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame: All their attempts to bend thee down, Will but arouse thy generous flame; But work their woe, and thy renown. "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves." To thee belongs the rural reign; Thy cities shall with commerce shine: All thine shall be the subject main, And every shore it circles thine. "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves." The Muses, still with freedom found, Shall to thy happy coast repair; Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crown'd, And manly hearts to guard the fair. "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves: "Britons never will be slaves.
Hi! Huge fan! As a Canadian I feel both our economy and politics are deeply interwoven with that of the United States. I think because I never got to learn much about the EU. I am fascinated by the prospect of more political cooperation from nations especially in Europe. Will you be doing any videos involving Canada? Recently, we seem very divided here politically in Canada and COVID seemed to make it worse. The trucker convoys and the pm evocation of emergency powers caught me off guard and I would very much like to here your opinion on what is transpiring here in Canada.
It won't happen, but I lowkey want Canada to join the EU. And to stop its mining companies being such dicks to the latin American/African nations who should otherwise be its allies. Because that would be a way for Canada to buy into a post-imperial world, and create levarage for itself against the US. The irony of this is that Canada is an empire, which still denies sovereignty to the Indigenous peoples within its borders, and fails to uphold the treaties. However the EU contains similar ironies, both with respect to Romani people who barely exist in the European imagination, and to national minorities within national borders (France, Spain, and the UK while it was still a member are still empires even without overseas colonies).
Southern neighbor here, florida man to be exact, he has a friend who is going over Canadian history. I think in his mexico series he links to the channel making it
@@caiwilliams2905 somewhat tangent to the subject matter, but what would sovereignty of indigenous peoples in Canada look like in practice ? And why do you think that hasn't happened yet? I'm a leaf too btw
I think you mischaracterize the Brexit argument, as it was more a rebellion of unelected members of the higher EU legislative bodies handing out edicts that Britain was forced to abide by and that MEPs have an essentially useless role, petitioning the unelected bodies to “please listen to my concerns even though nothing I say or do can override your authority.” It was an argument of self determination, not one of “myth making.”
He always does that when it comes to discussing Brexit or anything Britain related. He is a great youtuber but everyone has their flaws and anything UK related is a weak point for him and his discussions 😂
Agree. In his "co-operation as an international order" chapter he talks about how the European project is about post-imperial peaceful co-operation. I don't see why the UK can't create a similar post-imperial structure of co-operation with CANZUK. Sure, it wouldn't be as economically large and impressive as the EU, but does it really have to be? Still, compared to Adam Something who I sometimes feel gives the British an even harder time than the Russians, Kraut makes more of an effort to understand it.
Hello Kraut, I'm glad that you finally started talking about Czechoslovakia in the context of Europe's history. However there are some statements that I disagree with/would like to comment on or are incorrect and I would like to point them out. I have seen some comments about some of the topics that I want to mention already and therefore I will most likely repeat what was mentioned already (also for context I'm Czech): 1. 6:56 the reason for Czechoslovak-Polish war at least from Czechoslovak perspective was for the control of Cieszyn/Těšín and the railway line on the left bank of the river Olza. Also there was the problem of Silesia being located in 3 separate states and most of Silesians (to my knowledge) were Poles at that time which gave Poles the justification to go into that war (tho the economic factor cannot be dismissed). Funny fact: I have seen some reports mentioning that to this day there are some Silesians in Poland who would like to have their own state. A state of Silesia. 2. 7:38 I think that good name/label for self limiting nationalism would be patriotism tho I understand that the waters would be somewhat muddied by existence of American patriotism. Also I think that drive/desire to dominate other nations by nationalism stands from the believe in their superiority over other nationalities and that self limiting nationalism doesn't have this desire because it doesn't see other nationalities as somehow inferior. It is instead replaced by the pride in ones nation to the extend that others might and should do the same, ie. its own nation is good but not necessarily better than any other nation. 3. 8:24 Never in my life have I heard that Slovaks were somehow part of Czech nation or that they should. The concept of Czechoslovakia simply came from necessity. At the time of the creation of the first Czechoslovak republic both Czechs and Slovaks had large minorities of Sudetens Germans in case of Czechs and Hungarians in case of Slovaks in their territories respectively and since Czechs and Slovaks were basically brothers, they could cooperate together and therefore lessen the ability of these minorities to destabilize the newly created state. It was to make it more paletable to the winners of the WW1 to allow them to create state for Czechs and Slovaks (also the size of such a state was a factor in case of new conflicts). There is a reason why the dissolution of Czechoslovakia happened so peacefully because Czechs never saw Slovaks as part of the same nation nor necessarily state and why Slovaks took the chance to create their own separate state after Czechia became the German Protectorate. Also I would like to mention George of Poděbrady (Jiří z Poděbrad) and his idea of proto European union/OSN. The idea was that conflicts between member states were to be solved peacefully and unite European states/kingdoms against the Turk expansion. Anyway, the video is good as always and it was still insightful. Can't wait for the next one.
Hello Zeit Geist, everyone and every nation has its spin on the europe and the EU. But the fact, that poles, czech and germans can have discussion about Silesia without getting violent is an achievement in itself. The fact that all former sowjet occupied states accept their borders is something you dont see in other parts of the world.
@@adamz7038 And some of our older generation as well. Accepting the "Oder-Neisse-Line" was a big step for many "displaced" . Hungarians, damn they havent raided us german for at least 800years. While defeating the french laid the foundation of the german empire, defeating the hungarians was the foundation of the holy roman empire. If you do Gruesse, go full German, Grüße^^ The "ß" makes the difference between german german and swiss german.
Yeah. The third point surprised me as well. I am a Czechoslovak child, so I spent my childhood in both countries and I have never encountered a serious claim about Slovaks being part of Czech nation. Language is different, also religious identity is much more important in Slovakia than it is in Czechia. Plus the folklore is different. Talking about nations in Central/Eastern Europe I would also like to remind people about Rusyns and their unfortunate fate, there is a high number of them in the eastern parts of Slovakia.
The analysis is completely collectivist. The individual, and the individual's relationship with the state is not considered. The well structured nation state empowers individuals through meaningful elections and local representation. The super state (EU, China, USSR) sheepifies individuals through arbitrary actions of a distant unaccountable bureaucracy.
In the case of a conflict between Poland and Czechoslovakia, you have confused some things. Zaolzie was an area inhabited mostly by Poles. I think you confused it with the Polish uprisings in Silesia against the Germans (although there were more Poles in Upper Silesia)
I'm french and even if you make it sound like a lack of investement in the eu that we refuse to compete with ukraine on the cereal market, it is mainly due to the there are a lot of farmers in France who, because of romanians or even ukrainian prices can't make ends meet and often resort to suicide. Combined with a culture mainly based on the "terroir" a pride in our agricultural diversity, we cannot afford to open europe to a larger pool of countries where norms and salaries are in no way comparable to ones of France. Even tho i'm sure you picked France as an exemple, we can also debate on the fact germany prefered to use coal for it's energy sector rather than using a french nuclear energy which would have improved our relations.
Il y a beaucoup de choses qui ne vont pas avec cette analyse qu'on pourrait qualifier de simpliste. L'intégration européenne de l'Ukraine ou la "dépendance" française à l'uranium ne peuvent pas être arrangées de cette façon pour créer un narratif, c'est au mieux naïf au pire malhonnête.
Well, hungary will reconcile when the actual hungarian comunities can exist as a part of their own nation again. On numerous occasions, I know people who were beaten in serbia for speaking hungarian, people in romania, ukraine and slovakia all beaten up, teeth kicked out etc, just for speaking in their language. I love, and fully support the EU, and would love it to work the way it was intended to, but unless we got full cooperation of the PEOPLE of these nations too, its just not going to happen.
interesting argument but I still don't fully understand your point about the "death of empire". Even if there is full internal cooperation and countries like France make compromise, that power that they relinquish doesn't just disappear. All that happens is that the power moves to another level of administration: in this case either the EU bureaucracies or most likely NATO; someone somewhere has to wield the power and a more centralised (cooperative) model still resembles Empire, whether be it an oligarchical superstructure or a monarchical (caesarean) one, the end result is the same. Also your videos are typically appear to be in dialectic with a huge elephant. You refer to "far-right" historians and indicate that they either English or British , spoiling the well in doing so. Would it not be better to take a particular historian you have in mind (lets say for instance Toynbee) , examine a specific claim, and then undermine it? Or perhaps you could specify what you mean exactly by "far-right" historians so it does not go as a set of unstated "bad" prior assumptions. You appear to be arguing with a bogey man.
Although it was widely held that 'the Turk' was militarily superior to the West, the major Habsburg weakness was financial. As a rule, the Estates of the various lands were reluctant to vote adequate tributes to raise a powerful army.
The Habsburgs had many political, institutional, social and other issues. It was a failed state already for a long time and was mainly propped up by Germany in the final decades of it's existence.
I think that it's a bit akward to consider any battle or conflict during Russian Civil war - a separate one. The Russian Republic crushed and there were just a lot of different political movements (including nationalists of Baltic, Caucasus, Ukraine, Belorussia, Russia, Mongolia etc., communists, center-left and anarchists), nationalists tried to sieze some land of former Empire(this is the point of nationalism) but leftists tried to seize as much teritories as they could. That's more about idealogical madness than an attempt of building new empire although during Stalins rule in the 30s and 40s he really built a new empire with communist symbols. But retroscpectivally... it was just a grand battle royle that took millions and millions of lives.
Good video, but i have to point out some flaws. 1-Isolisationism is not a core tenet of kemalism. It never was. Atatürk has followed that as a policy not for ideological reasons, but practical ones. Turkey was quite weak at the time and was going through major changes that needed the focus of the state solely on that rather than international politics. 2- France has no reason to give up on its sphere of influence on Africa. Why would they do that and just force themselves to be reliant on another countries whim? No other country in EU can even bitch about that either, especially Germany. French sphere of influence has not endangered EU interests like Germany turning a blind to Russia has. What France can and should do is share the benefits of that influence with rest of Europe and they have been fairly approachable on that, especially on the matters of energy. It is easy to forget that EU is still far from a full integration. Its not a single country, its a collection of countries that decided that it was to their interests to act as a unified bloc on the global stage. No country can be seriously asked to sacrifice for mere ideals because that is just not going to happen.
Respectfully fück Y0U, the EU Project is dependent on the German Economy, and thx to certain people that took like 90% of the Resources in the Rheinland and made Germany dependent on Russian trade since (at minimum) 1939 and later had half the Country live under there Rule for 40 years and forced us (yet again) to give up claims on land that belong to us because they feared German economy overtaking theres you othe keep a low profile when we try to foster good relations with Russia that would not do half the things they did if NATO and the USA stop annoying them, because remind me how did the current Ukrainian President get into office?
Unfortunately Kraut, I have to disagree for the same reason why I don't believe in the utopia of communism. Empire came with the first governments and I'm sure the (corrupt) EU will not be the end of Empire but will become one. Because we are still human. We are forgetful, we are stubborn, we want to surpass our predecessors and we are greedy.
Happy New Year to the citizens of the USA, the European Union, ASEAN, China, Mercosur, the Arab League, the African Union and other countries that have not joined these wonderful unions🇺🇳
As a Taiwanese,of course I have to disagree with the Chinese Perspective. Not just the PRC POV,also the (thankfully changing)ROC POV. The Chinese argument of "civilization building" often downplays how diverse the ruling density/"key holders" are,and how many lives, culture were lost to the constant struggle for so called "mandate from haven". Han Chinese is a ideology as vaild as Aryan German, and this "demographic" is formed through nation state,not the other way around. Ironically,both ROC and PRC both force this "unification" through language,"NATIONAL LANGUAGE" for the ROC,and "Common Language" for the PRC. (What's extra irony here, Taiwanese,an dialect ROC tried to stemp out, despite influence from Austronesian languages,Dutch, Japanese, are still linguistically speaking more "Han". Not to mention the traditional/simplified characters.) Before the modern construction of the Han nationality,the "civilization" is built through good old fashioned Imperial ways,with some,eh, Chinese characteristic like eating the locals and make jello out of their bones. For some perspective,when the ROC feld to Taiwan after getting spanked by the CCP, they ordered the co-operative police force build by the Japanese empire that conducted force enlistment to fired at their own community for simply protesting,after that cames the decades long white terror and brainwashing. While,not defending what the ROC did,but PRC definitely commits more and worse crime against humanity. This is not civilization building, it's repackaged Nationalism.
I am not french but... The french bashing part is slightly hypocritical in my opinion. Every nation plays its cards as it can. Germany for example has used Social Dumping for decades to help its industry inside the EU Market. It has used cheap (eastern) local workforce to get market shares (ex : Chinese car market was widely french before and got eaten by the german car industry who gave better quality for the same "unfair" price). A lot of eastern germans currently strugle with pensions because the social EU rules were not quite respected. Every country closed their eyes on the topic because Germany needed it for the reunification and nobody wanted a poor Germany (Versaille Treaty,etc). Plus it is a EU video and I trust the french a bit more more when it comes to the EU project. From the outside, it looks like Germany Talks to the US for their security (and puts their army money in their industry), talks to China for buisiness, and finally comes back to the EU for the surplus. (Yes, the EU zone indirectly benefits from the german economical powerhouse though). I love you guys but it is more complexe than what this video shows in my humble opinion, so slightly less "moral high ground" would be nice.
You lost me at your France and Uranium example. Uranium is so cheap and abundant that dropping imports from former colonies should not be a problem at all. Never heard about France empire being an issue until now. Could it be that this is more about nuclear energy rather than empire? Since you put Germany, Austria and Italy on one side of the weight. Germany and Austria are the Zealots of the anti-nuclear movement. Italy seems it might be moving away from that sentiment.
14:43 "Britain was never a nation state" "only an empire". Sorry, but I have to disagree with Kraut on that one, as an Englishman. As much as the Empire relied on foreign resources and labour, there are also signs, though not obvious, of a British identity minus the overseas dealings. The Church of England was some kind of unifier, and still is in the civil parish system, even with growing atheism. (I'm sure it's similar in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland). All of our countries have football teams that have beliefs of our nations (whether three Lions, red lion, shamrock or red dragon). Also, about 15 minutes walk from my house in East London, there's a small gate with the metalwork including thistles (Scotland), daffodils (Wales), rose (England) and Irish shamrock! Notice how we all love our horticulture! If we didn't have the idea of a nation state, these cultural pieces wouldn't mean much to me. I see the rose, three lions and the Church of England with meaning wider than just being flowers, animals and a church.
A very interesting video. I would point out that you did not discuss the bogus "democratic" element that the EU has pushed for many years, namely 1. A president that is appointed and has no legitimacy amongst the people of Europe 2. An EU parliament which people have no interest in as they do not know how it works and most of whom do not vote on its elections 3 the obvious gravy train, self interest and corruption of this EU governing body It would be much better if the decisions were left to haggling amongst the EU countries since to his is much more transparent If the EU fails then it will be due to this false democracy of its institutions
Ohh yes. Im absolutely a European patriot. We need to present an alternative to the United States. Absolutely. I see the American right wing as an existential threat to humanity. And the way that its allowed to flourish in its ignorant little bubble makes me angry. The United States is like a frustrating one way mirror to us europeans. Im not fully on board with Slavoj Zizek or anything. But the way he presented a modern european marxism that I grew up with to a confounded Jordan Peterson was incredibly satisfying. We live in a world that is post Nietzsche and post existentialism. And the oversimplified American worldview seem to be made up of people who didn't pay attention to the last hundred years. a related thing is that the concept of continental drift was accepted in Europe while American scholars asininely protested it to the last and I was taught about global warming in highschool in the early 2000's. These facts were never muddied up by interest groups over here.
It is understandable why the Chinese viewer dipicted the EU in that way. As a Chinese who recieved secondary education in mainland China, I think his understanding of the EU is deeply rooted in the chinese history textbooks. These books are always trying to label historical periods with simlified topics, which are strongly related to the examination questions. Therefore these topics have shape geopolitical views of Chinese as most students are not eager to learn further and lack of communication with foreigners. For example, when it comes to post-cold war era , most Chinese would call it "trends towards a multi-polar world", and all their arguments would be based on this premise.
Imagine looking at Chinese history as a preferential course for Europe to have taken. You guys manage to have some really bloody wars but nothing even comes close to horrorshow that is Chinese history.
Congratulations to croatia for joining schengen and the eurozone, you already have new air routes to neighbouring states being introduced due to the cost savings. Hopefully a ferry route from patras to split will happen in the next decade/and hsr from trieste to zagreb to graz.
Ok, tired of this bullshit : - France is not blocking Ukraine to join the EU, I don’t know where did you get this information - France doesn’t need cheap uranium because uranium price is not what lead nuclear power plant costs (this shows a total lack of understanding on nuclear energy in general from you) - “France is the last empire of the EU”. This one is tricky because it depends on how do you conceive the word “empire”. The common (false) argument for that is french military operation in Mali, which was praised by Malian government, as Djihadists were literally invading the country. But I acknowledge that you may have other takes to prove your point and I would be glad to read them
I'm an American living in Europe currently, so I fully acknowledge my bias against stronger federalized power... That said, the EU Commission makes my *skin crawl.* They're the only body within the EU that can propose legislation, they can only be removed by a bloody 2/3 majority from parliament or direct action from the president, and the commissioners aren't voted on by the citizenry. Yes, they're selected and voted on by the parliament and parliamentary members *are* voted on by EU citizens, but that's one damn step too far removed in my book. How this state of affairs is tolerated by Europeans with a shrug is simply beyond me.
It is pretty much main thing which many people have against the EU and some people want to rather start their own version of EU,but majority still rather hopes that there is still chance to change how does EU work.
@@tefky7964 How can a change be made when the only people that can start the change would be removed? People at that level of power don't surrender it willingly.
@@tefky7964 Other than dissolving and trying again, I would recommend a letter writing campaign. Smother Ursula von der Leyen and your parliament members with paper letters demanding a vote of no confidence of the current commission, and promise that the letters will not stop until commissioners being legislation to dissolve the commission. Emails are ignorable, but if a politician has to hire staff just to deal with physical mail, that sometimes works.
1: I feel like portraying the EU as this super egalitarian polity is very naive. You did kinda mention that when the EU was made it's founders were still either empires, or only stopped being one recently. However your narrative made it sound like these empires were oh so very sorry about it, whereas I believe a more accurate way to categorize it is a western attempt at maintaining global relevance. I mean, whenever I talk with pro EU people one of their main arguments is that we need to be able to compete with china, russia and possibly the US or else we'll be crushed. But to me, an eastern european it sounds like if a frenchman told their colonial subjects that the reason they need to be loyal is so that they don't fall under german rule. It makes no sense. While the EU's voting system is very democratic yes, western members still have disproportionate economic power and can use that to assert their interests over ours. The free money we get is merely hush money, the fact that we can't put tariffs on say german products is a great impediment in developing our local industry. 2: I get it, Orbán bad, but in reality hungary tried to reconcile with it's neighbours during the 90's and the decade after. For example, our politicians at the time wanted to fix our relationships with slovakia and romania SO badly, that they signed treaties of friendship (in 1995 and 1996 respectively) with them when they had governments that were actively hostile to the hungarian minorities living there. I mean is anyone seriously gonna pretend that meciar and illiescu were some sort of liberal gentlemen? And again during romania's EU application, we were told by the other members to basicly shut up about the rights of hungarian minorities in romania, and indeed our government did so because we're germany's little bitch. Hell, orbán is not even that aggressive about minority rights, he loves the visegrád pact and wants to maintain cooperation with slovakia for example (as I was looking for the treaty with slovakia, I literally found an article bragging about the good relationships with slovakia from a pro government site), his nationalist rhetoric is just theatre so he wouldn't be regarded as the same sort of traitorous scum as the socdems before him. I get that this comment is coarse and emotional, but holy shit. I usually enjoy kraut's content since it's a great way to get a perspective from the "other side" but I just feel insulted by the willful ignorance of this video.
Orban is just putin or erdogan (I feel somewhat bad for putting erdogan in this list). He is just there for himself and his rich buddies. He says whatever he needs to say to get the power and stay in power long enough to become dictator for life. All those things you say might be true, but he is not saying the because they are true, he says them so he can become "the great leader".
Sadly there is this strange divide in South America between nations with left-wing and right-wing goverments. If South America could just go pass idelogical division...
@@ominosentenzioso5100 This is something I always hated/disappointed me from UNASUR. It was supposed to be a South American light EU but instead, due to the lack of cooperation between members and our leaders' ideas of a leftist, united South America instead of just a more united one, is what lead to its eventual demise as left wing politicians were replaced by right wing ones.