Short answer: depends on the organization. Sometimes you have HCs fired for no good reason and other times, you have HCs that ought to be fired but aren't.
If you are a NFC East head coach in the hot seat and you're playing Washington in the final week, please just call a normal gameplan. (Mike McCarthy, are you paying attention?)
Coach is a weird thing. Guys like Hugh Jackson can still coach after 0-16 and still gets to coach half a season while Marty Schottenheimer takes them to the playoffs at 14-2 and gets canned.
You could tell Fields was not meant for Nagy’s offense. Why make an offense for a pocket passer for the likes of Dalton when you have a quarterback similar to Lamar Jackson
I'd rather not draft any quarterbacks like Jackson ever simply because their durability sucks and are usually one trick ponies when it comes to running.
Great analysis, and thanks for not giving a lazy reason as to Flores' firing. By no means is the rest of the organization free from their own problems, but the situation with Flores was much more complicated than a lot of people are making it out to be.
I was fully expecting him to say “Flores did nothing wrong”. He was an ass, and was power hungry. I mean you don’t tell your starter that, we shouldn’t have drafted you. Especially, when you’re 1-7 with Tua playing a reduced role to start the season. Then you get to the fact that he has the same record as Adam Gase.
@@mattyaboi1653 Not to mention his record against a major opponent. I get growing pains and all that, but he finished his career in Miami winless against Buffalo. As a Bills fan myself, I was happy to have two penciled in wins a season, but if I were in the Dolphins front office I'd have considered letting him go for that, atop his increasingly toxic leadership. You just can't go winless against a division rival and NOT be on the hot seat.
Obvious reasons: lack of success, lack of communication skills, failure to adjust to evolving playbooks, being a general douche with no respect Not always obvious: office politics and power struggles in team organization, either when a team needs a scapegoat (ahem, Eagles) or if a star player demands someone gets let go Baffling reasons: ego, power tripping (may or may not overlap with office politics), chasing trends without any knowledge or plan
I.e. Mike Zimmer. He was guilty of a lot of these sins, plus had built a somewhat toxic environment (which shoulda been brought up as a factor especially in light of Urban Meyer, imo). Unlike other coaches who lost a power struggle though, Zimmer managed to drag Rick Spielman down with him.
You forgot to mention the power struggle in San Francisco. During the early 2010s, John Harbaugh kept the 49ers in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet an ongoing conflict between Harbaugh, owner Jed York, and former GM Trent Balkke led to John being ousted. Before that, John took the 49ers to three NFC Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance.
Chuck Noll didn’t record a winning season with the Steelers until his 4th year on the job. He didn’t win a Super Bowl until his sixth year. He held the job for 23 years. Bill Belichick had a 5-13 record with the Pats before winning his first Super Bowl. Bill Walsh won 8 games in his first two years on the job. Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa, then lost his first playoff game with the Colts 41-0, and didn’t get a Super Bowl as a coach until his 11th year (6th as the Colts head coach). Moral of the story: Sometimes patience and faith in the coach pay off in the long run.
@@m.robert123 Yeah but Noll had some pretty damn good excuses. Such as one of his first round picks literally dying after a promising start to his career.
This is true, and it can be more of an ownership/upper management problem rather than the coach, as the Schottenheimer example showed. People good at their jobs can't properly flourish if they're in a toxic environment. Bellichick's first HC gig was with the Browns, where he was fired. Would he have had success had he been able to stay? Maybe, but the Browns are a badly run team.
Hey man big fan of your vids, but just a small note. There is a rumor going around that Flores wanted Herbert over Tua. As far as I understand (being a life long Phins fan) this is not true. If they could have traded up and gotten Joey B they would have, but barring that long shot Tua was the man. GM Chris Grier was at the very least not going to pick a QB without consulting Flores, but more likely just straight up went with whoever Flores wanted. There is a lot of hindsight on Justin Herbert but at the time of the draft Tua was considered by EVERYONE to be the clear pick. Herbert didn't have the prettiest tape (from my understanding, I'm far from an expert) and was seen as more of a project. Nobody saw his crazy rookie season coming. Due to his and Joey B's success Tua has been under a microscope and unfortunately will likely be considered a bust because he has 5 turnstiles for an O Line. I like Tua but at this point I really wonder if we haven't broken him : /
@@darealconman And I don't know why. Brian Flores is a good coach who would help the Raiders defense establish a strong foundation. While Josh McDaniels was bad with the Broncos, and bounced on the Colts immediately after getting the job.
Hell no. I don't want Flores. Dude isn't good with the locker room and is suing the damn NFL cause he's salty. People judging McDaniels based on his first and only HC job from over a decade ago are slow. Right now, the Raiders are building one of the best staffs in the league and Flores doesn't belong. Especially because we wouldn't have gotten these other great pieces if McDaniels wasn't here.
IMO, his racism angle ruins his lawsuit. Unless he has some bombshell recording of the owners saying some racist stuff against him, he's going to lose the case badly. A judge will just tell him that team owners can hire or fire anyone they like, no matter how shitty management is. On a better managed franchise, Flores could've been a great coach. But now he never will be.
Yeah I think Flores was wrongly fired, but I don't know about him being a victim of racism. Once Joe Schoen got the Giants GM position, I just knew Brian Daboll would be hired as head coach, since they have connections from their time in Buffalo.
It’s when front offices get desperate look at how many coaches the browns have had since they’ve come back it’s because since day 1 they’ve been desperate to prove they can succeed and as a result they never give coaches time to build their team or bounce back from a bad season
Reason number infinity as to why I never, ever trust the Browns, even if they happen to look good on occasion. I don't ever want to hear about how it's "their time" again.
Completely wrong analysis on Matt Nagy. It wasnt the playcalling. It was his inability to change his scheme for his players. He always schemed for the players he WANTED, not the players he HAD.
Kinda the same thing, but different words what FivePoints said. But Matt Nagy also failed developing Justin Fields for his rookie similar. Not as worse as Trevor Laurence but still.
Everyone acts like Hurts was setting records that last game when his numbers where so fucken awful the only question was what took Petersen so long to pull Hurts out of that game.
Looking at Lovie's NFL record from the bears he did solid. I really do wish we could've got Flores but I really think you're right and the lawsuit was the deciding factor :(
More reasons why Nagy was fired came out after he was gone... Mistreating his players, being too deep in his own ass, never adjusting to schemes against his plays, leaving qbs out to dry against overpowering defensive rushes... To name a few
Rule #1 for any senior exec is to get along with your boss. From what I understand , Flores didn’t make that effort. I’ve dealt with Ross in several non-football contexts over the years and found him to be a decent guy, demanding when he had the upper hand, and solicitous when he needed something. It’s not easy for a football coach, an expert in a demanding sport, to be respectful to an owner who is not an expert, though he may think so. Still that’s what the job entails. You don’t like it? Get another $MM salaried job.
If Flores is telling the truth the owner demanded he break league tampering rules and also break actual laws by deliberately losing. Like at some point "respecting the boss" just makes you a bootlicker and a fall guy
I strongly disagree-if they hired you, especially for such an important position, you have every right to demand some autonomy and input concerning decision-making
We live in a world where executives run companies into the ground yet they get golden parachutes. And then another cushy exec job awaits them. Ross has a history of horrible teams under his ownership. Flores had proven that he could take one of the worst rosters in the NFL (the 2019 squad) and get some wins out of them. I hope Flores utterly embarrasses the NFL owners with this lawsuit.
I think him choosing not to tank is pretty commendable. What really got him fired though was him trashing Tua - and missing the playoffs three straight years. Gave the owners and their shitty GM all the reason to fire him.
Tbf, that time period was somewhat anomalous in how many long term HCs there were-Cower, Fisher, Shula, Mike Shanahan, Belichick…all these guys spent years and years with the same team as HC There’s also guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dungy, etc who split their careers between only two teams
Why is Steve Wilks on the back to back losing season at 6:25 in the video? He only got one season with the Arizona Cardinals. I could see if he had a second season. The Bidwell family decided to drop the ax and go with Kliff Kingsbury and Kyle Murray after getting rid of both the coaching staff and quarterback from the previous season.
This video is great. Unfortunately its missing Matt Rhule bc the Panthers Organization decide to fire everyone but the Head Coach, which is pretty pathetic.
You know, I see racism brought up alot. You all might be right. Marvin Lewis, African American Head Coach, of the Cincinnati Bengals for 16 years without as much as one single playoff win. In the closing moments of a 2015 playoff game vs. The rival Steelers three undisciplined players cost the team the game. Hill, Burfict, and Pacman Jones were the names of the players. Hill fumbled when the game was in the bag, Burfict was a 4th down penalty taking a cheap shot that was totally unnecessary and the team was penalized and Pacman added another penalty for good measure. If that wasn't awful enough their head coach, Marvin Lewis, brought all three players back the following year. Of course, Lewis himself returned and NEVER led the Bengals to another playoff game. All four of the before mentioned should have been cut/fired prior to the start of the 2016 season. No excuses no questions answered. Too easy. However, the teams failure or apprehension or fear or whatever set the franchise into a cultural tailspin that signaled to the rest of the league and those sought after free agents that there is zero accountability in Cincinnati. Who wanted to come to Cincinnati then and get busted up over 16 games and then have bad tempered undisciplined idiots to blow it for you because they can't control themselves? Plus they keep their jobs also? So, based on performance, among other things, why wasn't Marvin Lewis rightly terminated? I mean much sooner. No NFL team has even considered hiring him since he mutually agreed to finally leave Cincinnati. He is now a Nobody Special Advisor for Arizona State University for Herm Edwards. Some keep crying about opportunities and others fail to mention the opportunity one coach, Lewis, received which was way beyond what was reasonable and fair. 16 years, the media was comparing Marvin Lewis to Bill Belichick. Belichick has wins, he has playoff wins, he has multiple Super Bowl appearances and wins. Lewis has none of these as a head coach yet his tenure approached that of Belichick? What is wrong with this picture? I know whenever something that could possibly be considered racist concerning hiring practices occurs it is jumped all over by leaps and bounds. The bandwagon fills up quickly too. I think there is more to this as a whole then just what Brian Flores wants to do to influence how others feel about it based on what he himself thinks. This racist thing all began by making teams interview a certain number of candidates based on race. There is no getting around that even though it keeps getting interpreted in other ways. Like it is a rule but it has to be followed in the spirit as if you really and truly want to interview these candidates without regard to race but so is you know X amounts you interview need to be what is considered a minority race. Everyone knows what that means despite the casual nonchalant natural way owners and GMs are supposed to conduct their interviews and hiring of candidates they themselves have every right in the world to choose. Just make sure it is diversified. You are not investing money. Some say minority owners are needed. You going to force owners to sell their franchises because the color split is off? I know owners in other sports have been forced to sell due to being labeled as racists. Being recorded without their knowledge in some cases also. You want to earn something or have it handed to you? I think the ultimate goal is to just get it or get to the desired balance, whatever that is determined to be, no matter how it occurs. If it is earned based on hard work I am 100 percent for it. If it is gifted based on some racial or even gender quota I am not for it. That is not equal opportunity. That is not what Dr. Martin Luther King was for either.
Rooney rule.... it only says you have to interview 2 outside minority candidates. Says nothing about considering or seriously looking at them. It just says must interview. You're a token again... congratulations, you played yourselves.
It would probably be better if the Rooney Rule never existed. That way if a black coach is being interviewed it's because they are seriously being considered. Now? Teams will only interview black coaches to fulfill a checkmark, when they may have *Their Guy* already lined up beforehand. Is it any wonder many of these interviews are a sham? In trying to combat racism, the NFL made it *more* racist.
it's not racism. we live in a society full of entitled people. imagine being in the 1% of 1%. Brian Flores is worth millions of dollars. Dollars. Even if he didn't get offered a head coaching job because of much racism he'll be able to land a head coaching job at a division. one football college and still make millions of dollars a year. That doesn't sound like a land of racism. It sounds like a land of opportunity. I'm sorry things didn't work out for him, but no matter where you land, you're better off than 99.999999% of the rest of the world. Thanks for the common sense, i thought no more sane people were left in this country
Putting Jamarcus Russel on Lana Kiffen is completely unfair. He never wanted to draft him he wanted Megatron. Al Davis just never lost his hard on from seeing Jamarcus through the ball 60 yards on his knees.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned that was surprising is losing the locker room. Once a coach (or manager in baseball) does it there’s usually no going back.
The coach doesn’t drop passes, they don’t throw interceptions. They get victimized by these organizations as a excuse for loss. Coaches should be more long term
If it was racism then Mike Tomlin wouldn't be head coach, Jason Sehorn wouldn't be the last white cornerback from 2002 to 2021 when Troy Apke switches from safety to corner, and 70% of the players would be gone and there wouldn't be a 15 year gap between 1985 and 2010 where no white running backs reached 1,000 rushing yards
Man I’d love to have Flores anywhere on my team’s coaching staff. Doesn’t matter if it’s HC or special teams, that man clearly knows football. I think he’d be a great fit for the Texans. Hope he actually gets a fair chance with his next team.
@@fromthehaven94 Except Taylor has made it to the Super Bowl in his third year despite two (really bad) losing seasons prior. Meanwhile Flores - despite having a better record - missed the playoffs for the third straight year in a row.
What gets a coach fired? Me before watching the vid: If they are not controllable, "yes sir" robots. Me after watching: Ok, the answer is much more nuanced. I stand corrected. XD
Before I watch the rest of the video, why do I get the feeling that one of the reasons will be that the coach isn't willing to accept an owner's culture? (Looking at all the coaches who were fired only to be replaced by a puppet)
It’s been reported that Flores wanted anyone but Herbert. He has a losing record as HC when Tua is NOT the starter. He was fired after back to back winning seasons so he fits in the power struggle category.
You touched on it, but didn't list it as a reason per se. One clear reason a coach gets fired in the NFL is that he doesn't honor the head office mandate to take a dive when he's asked. You mentioned this of Flores, but the more clear example of that is David Culley, who appears to have been fired for winning four games with a team that was engineered to fail.
