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It's funny how us glock guys actually prefer the pointability of the glock grip angle to more vertical grip angles like sig or 1911s but non glock guys come into it and it's totally unnatural. Crazy how the body works and how much reps make a huge difference.
Yeah I always recommend trying to start with pointing with their thumbs and doing a bit of downward torque with their wrist until their natural point of aim improves and they can relax a bit. @@jaydavis6594
I can't say that "so many people don't like the glock grip angle" because no one has really brought it to my attention. I had to figure it out for myself. I just knew that people love glocks and people hate glocks. Some people love glocks because it's the only pistol they know. Some people love glocks because they've tried a variety and it works best for them. I know some people hate glocks simply because every one else loves them. Some people hate glocks because they just don't work for them.
Subbed to the channel man, seemed hella chill and honest.... Ive never had an issue with the grip angle, sure theres a few in my collection I like to get out and put rounds thru but I'll always take my Glocks above anything else in my collection. At the end of the day, Ill never bash someone that chooses an EDC or brand loyalty, we're all different lol Choose and train with something you eventually feel confident to defend you and your family's life.
Not only is the Glock handle 2 to 4 degrees extreme in angle, but it also has a bump to fill the hand, which angles the hand a degree or two degrees more. Pushing the top of the hand forward and pushing the bottom of the hand backwards. The Luger may have some similarities, but Glock handles are a complete unicorn. I would argue Glock handles have at least three odd dimensions to the handle shape. Whereas, the Luger handle may be better in some ways. Glock trigger guards are small enough to cause an issue for gloved-hand users. Glock will be almost perfect when they redesign the handle and enlarge the trigger guard while still not giving owners an ambidextrous manual safety switch or an ambidextrous magzine release.
Your reason is accurate, it’s a known fact about the grip angle of Glocks. Which is why when you see a Glock person they tend to have like 4 to 5 different Glocks in their possession cause they got so use to that weird angle its hard for them to shoot anything else good. Unless you are ready to fully invest into the Glock platform, it’s a gun you might wanna skip over no matter how trendy they are.
If nothing else, I'm going to put the glock in the thumbnail and title of every video I make, from now on. I've gotten so many views and comments. "Hand crank sewing machine with a Glock." "Building a box with a Glock." "Goose Unlimited with a glock." 😆
As a "1911 grip style" shooter transitioning to the glock, what i do notice is, that the grip allows the shooter to get a "high grip" up on the beaver tail, combined with the fact the glock is a low bore axis type of gun, it really helps out with recoil management and faster target acquisition after a shot is fired.
I'm not a fan of the grip on the 19 either, but I am a fan of the glock internal design. So I found that P80 fixed the problem for me. It's a glock with a 1911 grip angle. You can buy a serialized frame drop your parts in it and you'll be happy I believe. But if you're not satisfied with your 19 you can always trage it for a 1911👍
I just found out about the grip angle on the Polymer 80 frames and looked into it last night. Unfortunately, they don't offer gen 5 compatible frames right now. Eventually I will do a 1911 video series... it won't be a review video eeither. Keep an eye out for it.
I’m in the same boat as you are. I hate the Glock angle, but I learned to work with it. Next time you have your eyes closed just remember to point with your thumbs when you present the firearm. Even though I’m so good with my Glock 19 I still hate Glock lol. Try adding a Magwell to give you extra length. If you carry an extra magazine, use the Glock 17 magazine to make reloads extra easy and carry the 15 round mags in the Glock. Pro tip. On your support hand instead of point forward with your thumb, do a thumbs over the slide without touching but that’s OK because your palm will still be gripping the frame, and then squeeze. This is called a high grip.
The remembering to point downward when my eyes are closed defeats the whole purpose of natural point of aim. I considered a magwell, but I don't really want to out money onto it if I'm not set on keeping it.
I like the Glock grip angle. I think that needing to torque my wrist forward helps with reducing muzzle flip. I've also competed with a 1911 and a Beretta PX4, which both have more natural grip angles compared to the Glock. When I first got a Glock I did find that I was pointing it a little high, but a lot of proper deliberate practice made it a non-issue.
I have found the same to be true after shooting a lot of Glock pistols. Still enjoy shooting my 1911, but had to learn Glock due to duty requirements. Now, I prefer it over other platforms after thousands of rounds down range and considerable dry practice with presentation.
Took me a little while to get use to the RMR on my Glock 48, which has the exact same footprint as your 19 but is a single stack and easier to conceal.
I swapped the SRO to a different pistol and didn't have the same issue because the pistol points where I point. I think I am going to really like the SRO. It's super easy to aim with both eyes open.
Blackstrap won’t come close to making a Glocks grip angle feel like a 1911……Glocks have a learning curve, it is what it is. I hated my Glock after l purchased it. I had to send a lot of rounds down range and change the stock sights, before l started to figure it out. I prefer the g45 over the g19. There are easier guns to shoot than Glocks. Just got to find what works for you.
@@byronh77I am in the same boat as you I hated Glocks till I got a 43x because I couldn’t find a 365xl during Covid and after shooting almost a 1,000 rounds through it training I finally got a 365 xl and still to this day I now present my Glock better than the 365. Now I prefer them over the other grip angle. It just has to be a gen 5. I like the slimmer grip over the blocky ones.
This is why people are so divided on Glocks. People that start out with a Glock love them as they are a great firearm and they cut their teeth on that grip so it’s what they know. My understanding was that the concept was aimed at better recoil control since they were creating a lighter firearm at the time these were developed, (although a proper grip has been found to invalidate this concept). I also find that I have to conform to the firearm rather than the firearm conforming to me. Just have to find what works for you and stick with it.
I stayed away from Glock for a while. First pistol I really connected with was the walther pdp. Last fall I decided to pick up a Glock 19 as no one I know had one and had gotten curious. To my surprise, first shot at the range was a dead on bullseye at 10 yards. Now I’m thinking about adding a 47 to the arsenal. I’ve only been shooting pistols for 3 years, and the only ones I haven’t had success on shooting well with are sigs. Don’t know what it is, but can’t shoot them well at all.
I've shot a variety of pistols and shot most of them pretty well. This glock 19 shot well. Everyone raves about the Gen 5 barrels. The grip angle just isn't right for me. I read that polymer 80 or P80 brand frames have an 18* grip angle, but they aren't available for gen 5. If they were, I'd really consider getting one and swapping parts to see how I like it.
Similar experience - have been shooting for several years: Walther, S&W, Sig, Kahr and H&K. Least accurate for me was the P226, although the Sig 1911 was great. Finally got a G17.5 out of curiosity, and I love. Easy enough to adapt to the grip angle without thinking about it and it's very accurate. Planning to add a G23.5 to the collection.
I think "adapt" is a good word. It suggest that you had to change something. Some folks are saying, "I just got use to it." Thays like saying, "I got use to it pointing high, so I just point at the nuts"
Most if not all pistols have differences in grip and some not all have different grip angles. In your situation since you don’t want to “compensate” your grip angle would recommend you try out a firearm before buying. I have 1911’s favorite angle personally as well as Glocks, Shadow Systems pistols which have backstraps that make it easier to find an angle to your liking and Beretta’s. Almost all have different grip angles. I practice with all of them and shoot all them fairly well. Mostly because I practice a lot with them. My EDC is a Glock 43x and I practice the most with that one because that’s the one a carry the most but I love all my guns. Some more than others and some angles more than others also. With that being said practice with what you are comfortable with and stick to that as your EDC.
I bought my first pistol 18 years ago, and I shot all kinds of pistols before deciding on it. This glock was just a deal I couldn't pass up. I can probably sell the pistol, keep the red dot and light, and be down $150. $150 is a good deal on the SRO and streamlight combo.
Very informative! I should let you try out my Sig with the Romeo zero red dot. Even do a review too! I didn’t realize that there was different grip angles to worry about. 😂
@@jaydavis6594 I get natural point of aim… however, being a shooter of several different pistols, I saw in the illustration that the sight alignment was off due to the point of aim.
@@jaydavis6594 There is no natural point of aim when moving from irons to red dot. Red dot requires a different presentation of the pistol. Moving between irons and red dot require practice.
Try the Holosun SCS or EPS made for Glock , it sets lower designed to CO-WITTNESS with stock hight sights , you'll be much happier. SRO is made for target range shooting, not a carry weapon. The grip angle is designed to rotate the wrist up for better alignment with the bore . Holosun EPS comes in two sizes EPS carry is for slim line slides . I run the EPS green MRS on My 19 , the dot is just above My iron sights but I can still see the top of My sights through the glass , its an enclosed emitter so nothing can get inside the optic designed for carry .
The beauty of preferred choice. Everyone's physical preference is difference. Everyone's body developed differently. I love my Glock. I hate my Canik. This video is very educational thank you good sir 💯
You mentioned the M4. If you use the standard grip on that, it's very similar. Maybe even a few degrees further from vertical. With anything you have to practice until it's just muscle memory. The grip. The optic. The trigger. Glocks (and I have a lot of them) actually cause my wrist to bend far enough to the outside that it effects the nerve bundle that goes through the outside of the grip into the hand. Prolonged use and my hand goes totally numb. I can't feel anything, including the Glock, with that hand. I haven't come up with a work around on that yet, so I'm carrying my Old P229 or a P365.
When I mentioned the M4, I was trying to make a point about Natural Point of Aim. I may not have explained it well enough. I would have to go back and double check but I should have mentioned I was in the prone supported position. I may just end up doing a completely separate video about natural point of aim. I hope you can find a solution for your wrist and can keep shooting your Glock.
After much practice the problem becomes easy to deal with, but whenever I pick up another gun with a classic grip angle it sure feels nice. I still prefer a P226 or a Beretta any day over the Glock, even though I own a few.
Used to hate Glocks. Couldn't throw it at the target and hit it. Was a Sig fan boy. Then I bought a Glock 48. Then a 19. Then a 45, then a 20. The right grip angle and bore axis for me. I found out what I thought was a boxey grip fit well in my hand. The force is distributed better in your palm.
I watched a video by a physician who explained the purpose of the Glock grip angle and how it activates muscle groups to handle the recoil better. I linked it in a reply a few weeks ago. It was very insightful.
I kinda agree with the thought. I always have to readjust when I present any other hand gun, not gIock, I shoot for sight alignment. The glock is always inline when I present. I will also say that practice I think has attributed to that. Many hours of drawing and presenting a glock over a gun with a different grip angle.
@HavocDH yeah, Biscuits like to hear himself whine. It doesn't have to be for any reason. Sorry I couldn't edit it out. My computer isn't good enough to run that advance of software.
The shape of the glock grip is probably in the middle for comfort. I did notice that if I wrap my fingers around the grip too much, I tend to pull it with the miluzzle turned a few degrees toward one side. I have the opposite issue with the Sig p320 and p229. They feel wider, and if I don't grab it just right, the muzzle will point the opposite direction.
Its what you train with. Dont choose a gun because the grip angle is off at the start. If you like it, get it, but train with it. Over time you adapt to it. I was not getting my sights aligned at first, but now the sights are flat.
Definitely train with anything you're going to carry. But understand that when you pick up a gun, it is wither going to fit you, or you are going to have to conform to it.
I'm fine shooting a Glock grip angle (22 degrees) or a more conventional, 1911 (18 degrees) grip angle. I use both in USPSA and just have to adjust for each pistol. I train with both, so can switch pretty much instantly.
@jaydavis6594 my 2 best carry optics pistols are a g17 and canik rival. Stock for stock the Rival is better. But with a better trigger the g17 is just a a little worse, but I believe it's because of the rivals longer barrel and mine is a lot heavier with a Tungsten guide rod and brass backstrap. My g17 is mostly stock except for a timney alpha trigger.
@jaydavis6594 I'm talking about my scores from a match. Stock for stock I score better with the Canik. It's just an overall better gun for USPSA. But, I'm pretty close with the G17. The G17 has less muzzle flip because of the exaggerated grip angle. The G17 forces u to lock your wrists, where the Canik doesn't and has more muzzle flip. But, I can still shoot the Canik a tad faster. Presentation is the same on both for me, as I can acquire my red dot almost instantly upon presentation with both pistols. I will say that it took thousands of dry fire, draw reps and range reps to get to this point though.
The first time you put it on target you realize the difference. It does take a little getting used to. It’s such not a big deal. Either you are ok with it or not.
I like the Glock grip angle for what is likely to be an uncommon reason - it uses the same angle as the punch in the style of Karate (Isshin Ryu) I train uses. I still don't have any issues with my 1911s or other guns. It's a slight preference, not a deal breaker. With the original grips & T-grip adapter on my 38 Special M&P I have to move the angle even further forward than with a Glock.
the principle of the glock angle is much like the priciple of shooting a bow with a straight wrist (fred asbell vs grip of a mechanical bow)versus the seeming more natural purchase you feel with a 1911 grip. more of a traditional archer principle; the straight wrist is the most true axis of your pointer to your eye. instinctive shooting without fixed sights is based upon this method because its one that lends to more accurate shooting.
It's more than just practicing. No matter how much I practice, the pistols grip angle will always violate my natural point of aim. I'd rather keep the grip angle of any pistol I carry consistent with my natural point of aim so that if I ever have to draw it in a bad situation, I don't have think about bringing the muzzle down or over compensating for a pistol that doesn't fit me or complement my natural point of aim.
@yusurfgerald3969 It goes way beyond just practice. You can practice for months with a turd, and it!s still just a turd. If you don’t realize the impact that the grip angle of a pistol has on your point of aim, that says more about your lack of knowledge and experience than anything else.
You’re right, it’s more than just ‘practicing’. Tell me you don’t dryfire without telling me you don’t dryfire. I’m sure you’re going to sell that sro if you can’t find the dot and then bash red dots, too. Based off of the replies, you obviously are bashing Glocks, one of if not the most popular pistol on the planet, for good reason. Just sell the Glock to someone who will put in the time, through hours of dryfire and livefire, hopefully shoot a few matches, to get an actual ‘idea’ of what these guns are capable of, that goes for any brand. I look forward to match footage from yourself, if you don’t already shoot some form of competition like USPSA, IDPA, etc.
I started out with Glocks and then switched to a dozen other pistols before coming back to Glock because initially I hated that grip angle. I found once I got really competent with shooting on 1911 grip angle guns that when I switched back to the Glock that the grip angle helped me shoot significantly faster and flatter and I no longer had the same issue with sight alignment. I can't explain why the sight alignment issue just went away -- just now I did the eyes closed drill with a glock 17 and a sig p229 and I had no issues with either pistol in aligning sights by muscle memory. Maybe my wrists and hands are so trained it doesn't matter? I'm a very reluctant Glock fan because they're my least favorite pistol out of the ones that I own but it's what I shoot by far the best.
I think that is a good example of our ability to train and adapt. The "muscle memory" is learned. Do you find yourself using different grips with your different pistols?
@@jaydavis6594 no pretty much my standard pistol grip. The only thing that really changes is where my finger meets the trigger, depending on the size of the gun. The only guns that I shoot that require a bit more practice are revolvers, but that’s a completely different platform.
Revolvers are a different beast. I have to change my grip to bring the glock 19 front sight down, usually by bending my wrists downward because my palms and fingers are in the same positions.
@@jaydavis6594 I understand what you’re saying about altering your grip for different pistols. If I do that, I am not intentionally doing it and it’s just something that my hands and wrist have decided to do because some reason. I might have to play around with the with the eyes shut drill in my camera to see if I’m actually doing something different and not even realizing it.
I understand that. Before I started trying the natural point of aim with the glock, I would put my sights on the target I would feel the difference but didn't know what it was. When I closed my eyes and naturally pointed, then opened my eyes is when I began to realize what was going on.
Many people have gripped about the grip angle and plastic sights on a Glock….not to mention the suckie trigger right out of the box. You just have to practice and get used to it.
I hated Glocks, being a 1911 fan early in my adult yrs, not because of the grip angle but the crap triggers and top heavy feel of the full polymer frames. But now, I have a stable of Glocks and not a single 1911 or 2011. I bought a friend's G27 just to help him out, and then a 19, then a 30sf, then a 43, you get the picture. A $30 trigger connector replacement makes a world of difference and that is all I have had to do to, plus 500 rounds or better in each. Now my point of aim is Glock ready and steady. As far as red dots, I feel the same way as when lasers were the must have new thing. Don't need it.
@@jaydavis6594 I transitioned to polymer striker fired because I stopped thinking of my handguns as range or target shooting tools and now see them as defensive weapons only. The lighter weight and simple trigger safety only, made carry and quick response that much easier.Honestly, I still shoot tighter groups with a steel frame, single action at the range when I can take my time.
When it comes to the grip angle you do have to aim slightly down as opposed to sig Sauers 2011s 1911s since most guns have a 90 degree angle & Glocks have a obtuse grip angle so you when ain them they're always hi, if you've never had any other brand you won't know what your missing out on. But at the end of the day it's all practice.
I still really want to love this pistol, but at least now I can say I've given it a fair chance and understand why it's not the right pistol for me. I would love to swap the frame for a polymer 80 and a different trigger and see if that confirms how I feel.
Another thing I don’t like about Glock are the baby finger size trigger guard on them. Everybody’s body mechanics are different. And for me, the grip angle and the baby finger size trigger guard makes Glock a no go for me.
Glock handles require an extra step, which is a great disservice when trying to shoot and get on target. Optimally, a person wants to maximize his or her first shot. Glock handles force the user to bend and hold their wrist at a certain angle to align the sights, which is completely unnecessary. Glock was not a shooter. He was a tool maker.
I dont like the glock grip angle i naturally point with my index finger not my thumb that being said glock is still a sound option and some people love them
It’s not the bow it’s the Indian …there is a lot of people that get past this hurdle. is it ideal no… can someone shoot good with a not so ideal grip angle..yes..imagine being able to shoot good with any pistol.. practice and training trumps almost mechanical disadvantages.
It doesn't look like my first reply is going to post. You say it's not the gun but the shooter. Contrary to that, you mentioned hurdle and that it's not ideal. That sounds like a bow issue. Can everyone shoot with it, we'll? Yes. Is it natural for everyone? No. Sounds like it's the bow.
My baby eagle is based off the cz75. My biggest complaint about it is the slide mounted safety. Magnum research was the only company offering it in .45acp at the time or else I would have bought the other brand with a frame mounted safety.
If you don't know how to sell a personally owned firearm, I'm not the guy to tell you. Consult your lawyer so you don't get into any trouble if you ever need to sell a firearm.
Thank you for the tip, but I shoot the pistol well. I can bring the sights up to my target, align them, pull the trigger and hit what I'm aiming at. It's about looking at a target, pointing at the target, and my sights are already aligned because the gun fits my natural point of aim. It's about the gun fitting me, not me conforming to the gun.
Everything you said was a positive on the steel pistol was a negative for me. The weight is less, it won’t rust and if you run out of 16 rounds of ammo and still haven’t stopped the threat, then you have terrible marksmanship. You just aren’t use to the Glock so you don’t know how to operate it. Just zero the red dot and forget about the steel sights. I hate to say it but you are definitely hating the Glock. You need to learn how to shoot accurately every firearm you own, stop making excuses, millions of people shoot the Glock accurately and stop closing your eyes, keep your eyes open so you can see the sights.
It's a little gard to get my thumb in the trigger guard. I haven't fired 2500 rounds through all my firearms combined. Since posting this video, I have been dry fire practicing and found a good video that explained ergonomics, physiology and the grip angle, and gained a lot of understanding, but it's not enough for Glock to won the number 1 spot for me, yet.
You explained something that i have been feeling since i bought my glock 22...i hate the way it points and i have the same issue with having to adjust my sights before my first shot i just tried closing my eyes and pointing and yep it does exactly as you explained now i wanna sell that dog water gun 😂❤
You're comparing a full size to the compact Glock 19, that maybe 1/2 of your reason of not liking the Glock's grip . You natural point of aim may have changed, as you kept adding additional weight to the 19 with the red dot and the Streamlight . You've also lost a great deal of your concealability, by adding the red dot/Streamlight . But initially, you said you bought the Glock for a " house gun" I carried a handgun for 32 years, as a part of my employment . I went from a full size 45 ACP steel frame to a Glock 23 , as my employment required concealed carry . What a pleasant difference in weight , and I went from a 5 inch barrel to a 4 inch barrel . Sitting in a car was more comfortable . If your brain is working properly, you will never forget you have a weapon on you, concealed or outside the waistband . I have multiple different handguns and around 15,000 rounds through my Glock 22 and my Glock 23 . Easy operation, easy to clean and easy to take apart . The ultimate " house gun", is a short barreled shotgun with #5 or #6 shot shells . I worked in a gun shop for 3 years after retirement and I sold hundreds of handguns . Everyone is looking for something different, as we are all individuals . Some want a thumb operated safety, others do not want one . Some want 17 rounds, other's, 10 . Some want steel framed, others polymer . Some want stainless, others blued/black . I had many a guy bring his wife in and want her to get a full sized weapon for her concealed carry . Many of those women did not have the strength to rack the slide on an out of battery gun, but yet hubby's trying to buy her a full size Berreta, where she'd have no issue with a 5 shot revolver , which fit her hand . And of course many of the men and women have no idea at all on what a critical malfunction is or how to clear one . Everyone is different .
I'm not really comparing a full-size to a compact. My baby eagle is almost the same size as the Glock 19, with a slightly longer grip. It does have a tang that sticks out on the back end. After filming this video, I found other videos that explain the ergonomics of the glock grip. I didn't add the attachments to the glock, I bought the glock for the attachments. Since filming, I put the SRO on my Canik TP9 SFX and the TLR-7 on a different pistol. The glock 19 points the same with or without the attachments and loaded magazine. I'll have to go back and watch my video again because I don't recall saying it's a house gun, although I may have mentioned home defense. I will be reviewing a Sig P365xl with holster. I would like to get my hands on a M&P compact or shield as well. I'm going to hold onto the glock for a little longer.
I am more concerned with the operating system and availability of accessories and reliability than grip angle. And if you can't get over it, try an after market frame that works with the Glock operating system.
If you want to learn more, where is a good video on the ergonomics and physiology. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ymN2Z3U_pbk.htmlsi=e-P-FMtVRBHqarKM
Man I’m telling you if I wasn’t so heavily invested in Glock, I’d get rid of it..I so much prefer my other guns like my P01 Omega, VP9SK, Walther Q4 SF, and my Sig AXG Scorpion…I barely shoot the Glock
Love Glocks, but honestly who goes around pointing with their thumbs. One points with the index finger. However that’s not to say that it’s at fault, or any tool is wrong. People love to try and ruin anything because we like arguing. 😂
You, along with a bunch of other people in this vommit section are fixated on the wrong thing. "Natural point of aim" is not something to strive for. A remedial understanding about shooting and body mechanics would teach you that. Human natural point of aim is f*cking terrible!! However, having to rock our wrists forward and lock them in place is advantageous to shooting, aiming, and recoil mitigation. Which means follow up shots can also be faster and more accurate.
what Glock taught me was to find the nearest garbage can and run.....and why hang all that garbage on it if you properly train with it you don't need all the expensive crap.......or is it you just want to look cool and tactical
In the video, I mentioned that all that trijcon SRO and Stream light was already on the pistol when I bought it. Feel free to go back and rewatch it to answer your questions.
Taurus, Sig, Beretta.... I've ZERO urge to even try a Glock and as a human, I point with my index finger, not my thumb. No need to "practice" around that.
We all have our preferences, but if I wouldn't have given glock a fair chance, I wouldn't have learned what I did, which is as much about me as it is about the pistol.
After reading some of your comments, i looked for some more videos about the glock grip angle. I found this video and figured its informative enough to share. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ymN2Z3U_pbk.htmlsi=gr7P3BjebDoz6VzC
I merely came across your video on accident......but I have been throughly impressed. I appreciate your honesty and information you presented. I will definitely be a new follower going forward. Thanks for what you do.
Glock has taught me how to shoot with the worst and plastic sight picture, shoot with a horrible grip angle and the mushiest trigger travel on a handgun 😂😂😂. There are better guns.
It’s training issue. Shoot only glocks, DA/SA, trigger feels terrible and shot sucks. Shoot only Iron sights, red dots are difficult. Train with what you carry and you will adapt. Train with Glock for 500 rounds and soon a 1911 grip angle will feel funny. IMO
Yea. Just making the point that it’s a training issue. If you only shoot a 1911 grip angle and then shoot a Glock, you will need time to get used to that angle. I was shooting cz 75 sp01 with decocker, very different 1st trigger pull that takes a lot of training to get used to. So if you start with a Glock and train with single action and then go to DA, you won’t shoot real well. Just train with gun you carry and similar Manuel of arms.
Glocks have crooked handles, and the police who use Glocks are bad shoots and likely fired too many rounds to end the threat. In the heat of the moment, a policeman has only time to point and shoot, not compensation for unicorn pistol handles. Glocks are reliable. Glocks are the coolest-looking pistols. Glocks have awesome options for compatibility, high-capacity magazines, conversion kits, features, accessories, etc.
I shoot everything from HK Mk23, Sig P22X series, 1911s and a few ghetto HiPoints to the poors favorite, Glock. All using the same grip, getting pretty comparable results in terms of accuracy. It mostly boils down to just suck it up and shoot. Grip angle is important, but you focusing so hard on it only keeps you from achieving any lasting results, just shoot. Find one hold you like, and force the gun to do what you want it to. Send your hate below, idgaf. Get good or dont, but no need to bitch about MuH gRiP aNgLe
I have to disagree. Practice does not make perfect. A lot of people practice a skill every day and never perfect it. Does perfect practice make perfect? What if you're practicing perfectly with an imperfect pistol? Does your perfect practice make perfect or imperfect because not everything about your perfect practice is perfectly perfect?
You just don’t practice enough. The grip angle would be plenty fine if you just practice/got used to/got familiar/literally ANY other term for getting accustomed to something. It’s funny how the most liked comment is one telling you to practice, yet you won’t. There’s a video idea: how do you ‘practice’?
@@jaydavis6594 my dude has 1 I took it and put my 17 slide on it and It runs flawless too especially for 189 but the barrel junk the bullets tumble but it's cheaper than a 1.2k Moab naked frame and it's aluminum can't go wrong if u have a Glock or PSA
I have no idea why you are looking at your front sight when you are using a dot. You should be target focused and not even notice your front sight. Go get some training. If you want to learn how to use a red dot take a class by a legit instructor. I've taken a few Modern Samurai Project classes and I almost have a sub one second draw now. Red dots are great if you have the proper technique. I'm not trying to be mean, but you are really not doing this right. You need to stop trying to figure this out by yourself when there are experts who teach this and have a ton of videos out about it. My wife and 12 year old daughter use red dots on their guns and they love it. It's just a matter of training. I carry a G19 with an SRO everyday and I have no idea who would say that they forgot they were carrying one. Haha. You should stop listening to whoever told you that. Haha And if you just want a different gun, I get that. But don't give up on the dot. If you're a good shooter it will just take a little wile to make the transition. You really should check out MSP, even if you can't get in one of his classes because they sell out so fast, he has a bunch of videos on YT. Jedi is arguable the best red dot instructor out there, but do some research and find a good red dot instructor. The old guys with their 1911s get so made when I out shoot them with my plastic gun and red dot. haha. Good luck!
The front sight was a reference point I used after I couldn't find the dot in the window, when I naturally presented the G19. Floow the train of thought. I naturally presented the pistol and didn't see the dot, but I did see the front sight. Moved my head/eay around until I found the front dot and noted the position change of the front sight Analyzed the change and eventually figured out that when I naturally present the pistol, the muzzle is canted upward, causing the dot to be out of view until I bring the muzzle down. When I brought muzzle down, the dot was centered, and the front and rear sight were simultaneously aligned. They are suppressor height sights and are visible through the red dot, kinda like a 1/3 cowitness or still usable if the battery dies on the dot. I put the dot on another pistol, which fits my natural point of aim. I naturally presented the pistol, and the dot was in the center. I'm not giving up on the dot. I'm not even giving up on the glock, yet. I wish I was in a position to go out and buy an M&P and do a side by side comparison before making the decision to let it go. Unfortunately, I'm in a position where I can't just buy whatever I want and would have to sell something to afford a different pistol to try out. As far as the folks who forgot they had a pistol on them, I'm not saying they had glocks. I'm inclined to believe them because it's embarrassing, and It doesn't make sense to lie about it. It's their stories that I took as cautionary tales and made me appreciate the weight of my steel frame, which won't let me forget I'm carrying it. On the other hand, though, I do find myself in circumstances where having something smaller and lighter would be beneficial.
@@jaydavis6594 Great info. Yea, I've basically only shot Glocks so that's what's natural to me, but I hear everyone who grew up on 1911s, revolvers, or whatever else say how much the dislike Glock grip angle. I get it. With that, yea, it would be great to try it on another gun. Maybe you can sell / trade the Glock for something that fits you better and is cut for your optic already? As for a lighter gun, I 100% suggest you try that. I wear my G19 90% of the time I'm awake, and 99% of the time I'm not in my home. Just today my kid was annoyed that I was wearing it during our movie night. I couldn't imagine always wearing a heavy metal gun all the time. I did get my wife a sub compact Glock 43X, and it's not a great deal of fun to shoot, but carrying it is like nothing. I guess instead of saying we forget we are carrying a gun we could say we don't think about it anymore. I think that's a more accurate description for me at least. Definitely check out some Modern Samurai Project videos. He's about the best at teaching people to find the dot. Good luck!
This was a point another viewer brought up, and it works. Do you every point at something directly in front of you with your thumbs when you aren't holding a glock? I don't think I know anyone without a deformity who naturally does.
@jaydavis6594 it's more of a height over bore problem you're having. Stock sights are low to the bore. The taller your sights get, the more the front of the gun has to dip to keep the same zero. I do understand the grip angle, and with more time, you will find that tumbs forward grip locked will help you deal with recoil management better. I am not a glock person because I prefer paddle mag releases. So It's all hk and walther around here. But I have some glocks and can run them.
Glock grip angle=good to go. Double action revolver grip angle=good to go. Single action revolver grip angle=good to go. Sig grip angle=good to go. 1911 grip angle=good to go. If you are griping about the grip angle, you are OVERthinking it and not shooting enough rounds.
It's not really overtaking it If there are people who haven't thought about it. Of all the firearms you've ever shot, you naturally shot some better than others. The reason you shot some of the other better is because the ergonomics fit your natural point of aim better. With other handguns, you practice with them until they become normal to you. You essentially abandon what's natural to you to conform to something that isn't natural until it becomes the new normal, but it's still not natural.
Wonder if you will make a video called “what I didn’t know about shooting when I blamed the Glock grip angle” after you learn all the information you’re missing…
“I guess I’m kinda old school.” HA! That made me laugh, you don’t look a day over 22.” “I like steel frames…if I run out of ammo I can beat you with it.” Kid, stop trying to live in John Wick’s world. That’s all make-believe and not reality. “I like knowing that I’m not gonna forget that it’s on my body.” No… you didn’t…. You seriously just said that? What an absurd comment to make. If one “forgets” that they have a Glock 19 carried ON THEIR BODY (no less), then they need to stop with handling of firearms all together. You’re just gonna end up hurting yourself one day. Just quit now while you’re ahead. “I’ve heard STORIES (plural) of people forgetting that they were carrying their pistols.” You’re joking right? 😂. I’m speechless at the moment. What a crock of nonsense (because I can’t use the word that rhymes with “ship”). …I can’t watch anymore. Ridiculous. 👎
@jaydavis6594 100% know what natural point of aim is and if your body isn't naturally pointing at the target then you can't say the weapon is not accurate it just means your body doesn't fit that specific platform. Yet training PROPPERLY you can learn to shot the weapon proficiently. Also with training you may find out you are more accurate with other platforms.
Grip has nothing to do with alignment of sights. If you know how to priory align sights then you can do it across all platforms and you would easily know how to compensate with different grips and pistol shapes. I’ve never ever once had an issue with aiming because of actual grip angle or length. It’s just a poor excuse for poorly experienced shooters. If you just simply adjusted the angle of which you hold the gun then you could EASILY get the front post down to position. And you need to remember they are suppressor height sights. You coddled yourself into not being able to handle any other firearms except what’s your favorite. Again, grip angle DOES NOT change the procedure for aiming and maintaining proper sight alignment. You don’t like it so you don’t even try to overcome the issue of not being able to aim. I can literally pick up ANY pistol and run it accurately and efficiently! It’s just an all around very poor excuse for not being properly trained and experienced. It is what it is
