Long story short: Doctor gets punished in court, Mom dies of AIDS-related pneumonia, Teen Son gets tested and is found to be HIV+ and chooses to get treatment.
If you ask me, Dr. Hutton should have gotten his medical license revoked immediately when he said that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, which caused most of his patients to die. Also, Martin Mull should have gotten an Emmy for his performance in this episode.
In case younger people need more context, this episode of SVU aired in 2009, and was based on a semi-famous AIDS denialist named Christine Maggiore, who had died due untreated AIDS in 2008. Like the character in the show, she had also passed AIDS on to her daughter, which she left untreated. Her daughter Eliza Jane died in 2005 at 3 years old. She had older son who apparently never got HIV, he would be an adult now. Like the show, Eliza Jane’s death was blamed on an allergic reaction to amoxicillin by her parents and the AIDS denialist community. A lot of people in AIDS denialist circles had the disease themselves, and they started passing away in large numbers in the late 2000’s, which is why you don’t hear about this “movement” anymore.
You don’t hear much about the movement, but it has made a resurgence in recent years thanks to people like RFK Jr. He wrote a whole book about AIDS denialism, then went on Joe Rogan’s podcast spouting his conspiracy theories, and Rogan ate it up.
Where I live, it is legally prosecuted as attempted murder because you are knowingly giving them a lethal disease (your body and infected fluids are the weapon). If the victim dies from it, it is charged as murder I, with intent to kill.
“She’s not going to make it to high school” If the babies temporary foster parents got her actual help, the HIV would’ve been treated early and she would’ve lived longer :(
they were led to believe false information being from an under developed country theres no way they'd have the medical knowledge to dispute whatever the doctor told them
a friend's brother was born HIV+ and his foster parents (my friend's parents who later adopted him) were told he likely wouldn't make it past age three. he made it all the way to 18, got to go to his senior prom, and passed shortly after. sometimes people surprise you and live way past the expiration date they were given
They come from an African nation where the leader spreads lies and misinformation about HIV/AIDS. He claims that he can cure people by rubbing a special herb poultice on them but only he knows the recipe. They came to America and were introduced to the quack who shared the same dangerous beliefs that the couple had been indoctrinated with
I had a lecture in one of my grad school classes in 2008 from an MD that had the same ideas about HIV...the dude ran an HIV clinic, which is why he was asked to teach in the HIV lecture. We left that lecture pissed off and went to the department chair to complain, he never taught at the university again. Just having an MD doesn't mean you're not a crackpot.
This episode cemented my love for Greylek as an ADA. You can see how passionate she was the second she cross-examines Dr Hutton and shows off the HIV+ members of the jury who are alive today because of their medication. A team up of her, Casey Novak, Barba and Carisi would've torn the defence to shreds.
@@louisacoote2337 hated Donnelly for censuring her for getting too personal with a case, then hypocritically returning as an ADA just to railroad an abuse victim into jail.
Martin Mull was a great actor, he put so much thought into his character so much so that it made us hate him. That's how you know how good he was. RIP Martin Mull.
I didn't know HIV denial was a real thing until I saw this episode. I did some research when I was in college and it turned out to be a real thing, unfortunately.
You should watch, The Boy's In The Band. It's an old HBO I believe movie about the start of it and the Reagan Administrations handling of it. Cutting fund's for the CDC. And the stigma that became associated with it. The bath houses were the worst super spreader area's. But it took the courage of Ryan White and many other's to turn things around. And Princess Diana's hugging of people with Aids did a lot.
@@nancyvillines4552 It's actually called And the Band Played On. Matthew Modine, Alan Alda, and Ian McKellan are in it and it's really good. Really tragic but good.
@@laramaaike3050 you would be surprised how things were back then. Did you know in the 70's it was illegal for women to have credit? History is a great learning experience 😊
Unfortunately, I actually knew a guy through a mutual friend who was from Southern Vietnam that didn't believe in HIV/AIDS. He's dead now, from an aggressive form of STD.
@@GreyDoofus88 no it doesn’t matter when. The moment his belief about medical facts being untrue was known he should have had his actions viewed by a medical board. Doesn’t matter if this is day 1 or his last day.
@@MrMonkey2475 the only way he would've gotten away with it for so long is hiding behind freedom of speech. He can claim he's being persecuted for his beliefs.
As someone who has been living with HIV since 2009 and an AIDS diagnosis since 2010 episodes like this hit close to home. I despise people regardless of profession and education level who endanger people's lives with lies and misinformation. Comprehensive sexual education that includes HIV and the Big 3, testing, prevention, and treatment are PARAMOUNT!
She also played another role in Law and Order: criminal intent. She's the suspect in that episode, season 1 ep 20 "Badge". I only know cause I just finish watching it. Law and order really like to reuse actors lol.
@cbq6286 Susan didn't even know Lisa was allergic. She only knew what Dr Hutton told her, and he believed in his delusional state that it was the antibiotics that killed Lisa, not the PCP pneumonia.
Thrust - is an common fungal virus that can occur most commonly in the mouth (white mouth) or in the vaginal area (also known as yeast infection). Healthy Babies can get it very easily if their formula bottles aren't sanitized enough between each use (for some babies the bottles and bottle nipples need to be washed in hot soapy water and also boiled in salted water). It can also get it if their diapers aren't changed enough. White mouth can also be triggered by certain medication - like certain inhalers for asthma for children.
i haven't seen the full episode, but from what i can tell, the mother doesn't need to be locked up. The doctor, absolutely, but all she was doing was following the advice of a licensed medical practitioner, a license that was given out by the state. The state failed to withhold a license from a doctor that does not follow evidence based treatments, and because this doctor was allowed to continue his practice, the false medical advice led to children dying.
@@Ashbrash1998 yes, but her doctor told her it wasn't a big thing. Her doctor told her it doesnt matter. After all, hiv doesn't cause aids. Who knows what else he told her.
@@Ashbrash1998 which her defence attorney would've attributed to her beliefs that HIV was harmless, which at most could've given her a slap on the wrist.
@@lctamoya this was before it became a crime. In the episode Quickie, a man was arrested and charged for infecting dozens of women with HIV, but not before one of them sprays his face with acid.
@shaunallen9337 I think Tommy would still be alive now thanks to advancements. But I'm amazed he lived so long without having any severe illness since he spent his entire life not knowing his diagnosis.
If you watch the full episode it was just a trick to get more people to call him about the doctor. Which is why the mentioned his name that’s how they received the tips
R. I .p. Martin Mull Use a very Talented actor, Always remember him best as Vlad Masters/ Vlad Plasmius From Danny Phantom, One of my favorite cartoons.
The risk that you'll get tainted blood is tiny. You're really willing to die for a sub 1% chance of getting hiv? You're choice i guess. Jehovas witnesses also refuse blood transfusions. I am fine with adults deciding for themselves they'd rather die than get a simple transfusion. Their life, their choice. Im only against people forcing their kids to die from easily treatable things.
Because people got contaminated blood 30 years ago before the US screened people effectively for HIV? That's pretty shortsighted. I've had multiple blood transfusions, some of which probably saved my life. I don't have HIV. I got the transfusions when I had cancer. I don't have that anymore either. Maybe you should value your own life a little more. If you bleed too much during childbirth or surgery, have ulcers, get in an accident.... all kinds of things could cause you to need a transfusion ...you're okay with dying? Don't have children, please, if you have so little respect for your own life.
Aww i hope they take care and save the baby ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ i know it’s just a tv show but hope everything is okay with the baby she is so adorable and precious
Doctors are supposed to be the educated ones. It is not the non medical professional's fault who does not know better as a layperson. We are told to trust doctors. When we are growing up, we are taught that the doctor knows what to do
My dad died of pneumocystis pneumonia FWIW. He wasn't HIV+ but he had lymphoma and the chemo triggered it. So the TV doctor might have only seen it in AIDS patients but actual doctors see it in all kinds of immunocompromised patients
Both my parents had it... My dad chose no meds when I was a kid and he died, Our mom lived for years and eventually died from Hodgkin's lymphoma. I know all too well about it and it doesn't discriminate... But even now I run into people who don't understand how u spread it and things. I had roommates who wouldn't eat off the plates if my mom did the dishes. I am now 40 years old and my brother is 44 and we are both still clear...
My very favorite part of this episode was when the kid with AIDS refusing treatment talks to the Christian Scientist kid with cancer who was disowned for seeking treatment.
The doctor should be prosecuted but i think thr way they treated the mother was wrong. She took her kid to a doctor. Its the doctors fault he encouraged misinformation. Its also wrong for them to exhume the childs body without the mothers consent. On the flip side, it doesnt seem to make sense that the doctor prescribed amoxicillin. Its typically prescribed for strep, which he did not say the baby had.
That’s gonna mess up your body. Pregnancy is a big thing and 4 consecutive pregnancies with little to no recovery time between each one would run anyone ragged. I would strongly reconsider.
Who knows if they'll ever find a cure for AIDS and HIV. And who knows if they'll everfind a single and concise name to refer to both of them ("HIV/AIDS" is too long, in my opinion).
Well, HIV and AIDS are terms for two separate things. HIV is just the virus that infects the body, which, if left untreated, only then becomes AIDS- the actual disease. And AIDS only develops years after an HIV infection if the infection is not detected and treated, so if provided with proper treatment in a timely manner, infected patients don't even have to worry about ever developing AIDS. The two terms are often grouped together as the same thing which is rather misleading.
HIV is the early stages when you test positive but it’s just chilling in your system and you have no signs of it. AIDS is when it turns aggressive and tanks your entire immune system in a hurry leaving you vulnerable of death to literally any infection at all. It’s given two names because of how drastically different the two stages are, and which stage you are currently in affects what treatments will work best for you.
