The limo carrying President John F. Kennedy when he was assassinated continued to be used by the three next presidents and now sits in repose at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Mich. Dean Reynolds reports.
Even a low life criminal who is shot in his own car, would have his vehicle properly investigated by the proper authorities with proper forensic evidence done on the vehicle. Something is just definitely wrong when the President's own vehicle isn't even properly investigated.
how do you know it wasn't? It was a different time and they had different ways of doing things. It used to be the Presidents car was in use for 10 years
The car was a crime scene and removed from the scene, it was put on a plane and sent to the Ford Motor Co for refurbishment the same day. That's tampering with evidence, doesn't matter if it was today or 50 years ago, tampering with evidence is wrong. Bonnie and Clyde's car is still on display with the hundreds of bullet holes still in it!
no , read up on it, it was driven to the hospital and the plexiglass roof and fabric cover were put on it, then it was flown to the White House Garage, where the FBI took pictures and searched for evidence, late in Dec 1963, it was flown to Hess and Eisenhardt In Ohio, to be rebuilt. They were not doing a shrine, they needed a new Limo for the President fast and this was the fastest way to do it
LBJ also ordered the car to be cleaned up on the spot which destroyed tons of evidence, why? Why was it sent to Mich. to be rebuilt so soon? Why hasn't someone traced the real trek this car took immediately after the killing of our President? I believe that's something that has been grossly overlooked.
there is no proof of this car being cleaned up, The FBI and Secret Service went through this car searching for evidence , and took pictures in the White House Garage.
Everything about the case is unbelievable.9 witnesses to a through and through hole in the windshield,including a Mgr. at Ford Motor Co. 90 plus percent of the Autopsy photos have vanished,including photos of probes that do not match the official story. Moving posthumous wounds by several inches and a whole lot of other Unbelievable stuff.
@@vernpascal1531 Not to mention the President's own brain disappeared. How do you misplace the President's brain? "Yeah, I had it in a box and set it down and now I don't remember what I did with it?"
Unbelievable. That car was rebuilt and reused even as promptly as by Johnson?! This is like dancing on JFK'S grave. I'm utterly horrified and disgusted! As President I'd rather trek my entire tenure than ride in that limo. Absolutely disrespectful. Shame! Shame!! Shame!!!
I can understand that the Air Force One that carried JFK's body was used by successive presidents, even LBJ. But to think that the limo in which JFK was assassinated was re-employed - even after refurbishment, simply chills my spine. Just my personal opinion.
there was no way they could get another limo that fast, it used to take about a year to make them. So they just rebuilt this one and made it safer for the President to ride in it
What? Are you suggesting that the USA should have asked another world leader to give up their limousine? Ha! Back in 1963, the Secret Service had only one limousine for the president. Today there are two, and one is always used as a decoy.
FBI had jurisdiction over the Presidential Limo, not local, County or State Police. They couldn't keep it in storage, the Gov didn't even own this car, it was leased from Ford. They looked into building another car and it would take several years, and this car could be redone in less than half the time. We just had a President murdered and they wanted the new President in a armoured car, and this was a quickest way to do it. This car was used till 1978 ,Carters years, it just was not used anymore for the President
The FBI did NOT have jurisdiction because this wasn't a Federal crime. The car should have remained in Dallas Police custody, along with the President's body!
Putting aside any conspiracy/evidence tampering and just concentrating on the car itself I am AMAZED that ANYONE let alone future presidents were prepared to ride in that car. It should have been de-commissioned at once and retired to a museum. In the case of JFK, that car is as tainted as the rifle by the events of that day.
There is something strange about the car indeed. Would it be possible that there was shot from the car itself? First bullit from a gun in the trunk. Operated by a wire, handle or so? And the second from a chair in front of him? A coup from people who had acces to the car? (and afterward drove it as a hunting trophy?) operated by people sitting in the car?
@@lired70 How did they destroy the evidence. They analyzed the limo for months. Nothing was destroyed. The windshield and other parts are still in the Archives.
@@klrdotorg Seriously! A new car should have been bought. The car that JFK was in at the time of his assassination should have been kept as it was for forensic and historical reasons! You don't destroy evidence! Why can't you understand that this car was stripped as part of a cover up!
Those Words About The Man who Actually was seen by the Eight Railroadworkers,and the Deafh and Eager man who saw the man in Policeuniform,with a Double Side-by-Side Brennecke-Mercury-Froozen Bullits shot at John F.Kennedys Head.Showed a White Cloud,caused by the White Mercury-containing all the Mercury Pearls-and Blood & Residues. Oswald Was Not The Second Shooter.
@@klrdotorg there is good evidence by several witnesses that saw a hole in the windshield . It was clearly a round hole size of a pencil. From front to rear.
Raymond Shaw I agree. When you remove 90% of a cars parts and interior it's not the same car. Just a frame or skeleton of what used to be. Makes no sense that they went to all that trouble to rebuild it when they could have kept it as is for its historical significance. Looks like they wanted to pretend or act like it never happened.
Every time I think of JFK waving to the people and smiling, it just breaks my heart. I was 9 years old when it happened. Is is just as devastating when I think about it today.
I was 7, attending school in Massachusetts, JFK's and my own home state. it was just a terrible feeling for everyone. the movie 'Parkland' has a scene where I think the Naval officer who was his MD, riding out of Dallas in a crowded car, puts his hand to his forehead, and begins sobbing. THAT moment captures how we all felt. it's an outstanding film which tries not to take sides in conspiracy theories. when they wheel him into the ER, there's one scene which goes a bit far, where a surgeon keeps pumping his chest redundantly. almost has a sort of crisis of confidence, for a second, which is erroneous, according to history. I don't mean Warren Omission history. it was an independent film, I think. one unintentionally funny scene takes place in FBI hdqutrs. everyone there is chain smoking cigarettes in the office. now that, is real history.
@@marieadams8895 no. but I have seen the very spot where he was born. in his day, people were born at home. he spent lots of time ill as a child, reading books constantly. in Brookline Mass.,on Beals street. the National Park service runs the small house where he was born. anyway, it's a house that's been preserved, and Rose Kennedy replaced a lot of the original furniture w/ replicas. her voice takes you thru each room for a tour of the President's birthplace. I highly recommend visiting it.
The car should be restored to it's JFK color: midnight blue. It should also be restored to convertible condition. This is how America knows this car, and this is how America should see it.
If the Air Force Museum can repaint President Kennedy's Air Force One (SAM 26000) back to the official presidential paint scheme, "The Henry Ford" should cut the top off, repaint it midnight blue, put the red flashers back on the bumper, change the taillights back and even put the hubcaps back to the way they were, on car. Instead of being long, low, sleek and elegant, it looks shorter and "STODGY" It's dented and scratched, that I call Johnson's ass prints, all over it!!! Such a shame it looks the way it does now!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE LIMO WAS FLOWN OUT OF DALLAS ON THE NIGHT OF 11/22/63, AFTER IT HAD BEEN SCRUBBED DOWN ON ORDERS BY LBJ. THEY TOOK IT TO THE ROUGE PLANT, WHERE WITNESSES NOTICED THE TELL-TALE FRONT-ENTRY BULLET HOLE TO THE WINDSHIELD, WHICH WAS REPLACED (SO YOU HAVE TWO EXAMPLES OF DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE TO A CRIME SCENE, THAT BEING THE LIMO). AND THEN FORD ADDED THE HARD TOP AND LBJ AND NIXON BOTH USED THE SAME VEHICLE. SO YEAH, IT'S NOT ONLY IN THE FORD MUSEUM, BUT IT'S ALSO ONLY ABOUT A FIVE MILE DRIVE TO WHERE IT WAS MADE (AND REMADE) SO IT WOULD NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT TO RESTORE IT.AND WHEN THEY DO, I HOPE THEY DON'T FORGET TO PUT A FRONT-ENTRY BULLET HOLE IN THE WINDSHIELD, PROVING THERE WAS A SHOOTER IN FRONT OF THE CAR AND NOT JUST TO THE REAR.
Dallas was not in those days a hub of forensic science , with the FBI etc, in Washington DC, of course it went there, plus they had a state funeral to put on
I highly agree I was in 5th grade when it happened and my teacher ran out of the class in tears I told my Mother and I asked her if it was true I only believed what my parents told me because they told me not to believe everything I hear on Tv not always true.Well,had a week of them running the same thing missed my cartoons then that was a big deal in a small town. Now, after everything all I can say is they botched that whole investigation up and to this day still think was more than 1 and that one went free but NOT in GODS LAW HE WILL BE UP IN FRONT OF GOD ! Things have not changed much over the years look how they botched up Diana’s death on purpose!! Still Don’t Know which did it just Know GOD IS WATCHING!!
Ambreen Iram that’s not the car, also if he lived the shot he would’ve have a long suffering about 2 days before he’d feel no more pain. But if he died that’s no pain.
@David Bryant one sided viewpoint much? That family had high standards of courage and public service and neither you nor I can possibly fathom the endless campaigns of character assassination lodged against so many different Kennedy men.
He also said, he who controls the weather controls the world. Us Patent # 4,686,605 August 11, 1987. Look it up I did. Read the whole thing, it explains how to do it. HAARP in Alaska. God`s lighting goes from sky to ground, years ago they learned that lighting cleaned the air. That is why it felt so refreshing after it rained.
Zack Maruniak I'm in my right mind and don't believe Oswald was a shooter. If you look at his history, while in Marines he was stationed at a US base in Japan, monitoring U2 spy missions. Top secret security clearance, FBI &CIA contacts. When he "defected" to Russia, there was an ongoing program through the Office of Naval Intelligence to "plant" ex military personnel as spies in USSR. The guy worked both sides of Cuban issue. He had gov't Intel agencies all over him.
I think it was reused on purpose as a slap in the face to the Kennedy family and LBJ had no problem riding in it or his successor Nixon, both whom hated Kennedy.
the car was leased very cheaply from Ford, also you didn't just go out and buy a new Limo, it had to be built from a new Lincoln sedan and all that work turning it into a limo took a lot of time, this was 1963, it was a different time
@@califdad4 Amen. Not a quick and easy feat even today! We just have so many more "stock" limos available these days with the advent of limo services catering to a generation who rent them for proms and trips to McDonald's. A presidential limousine is a a very big special order.
@@dallaskeffer6555 the presidential limos were of a higher quality work than all the limos we saw in the 80s and 90s. I've noticed we aren't seeing limos like we used to, mostly black suburban type cars and seen black stock size Cadillac XTS's on the road. Looks like people don't want to stand out with limos like that anymore
this is one of the strangest things about that event. almost immediately taken apart ,then re-built. after the Keystone cop SS agent cleaned the evidence off the back seat. WHY? and why THEN? a nurse employed at Parkland said she plainly saw a bullet hole (entrance)in the windshield.
@@leemoore9933 well, a Parkland employee (nurse) who grew up in Texas, where regular folks see entrance and exit wounds pretty often, said she saw it. we wouldn't have to play guessing games as to whether it was an "in" or "out" missile, if it had been simply left alone.
Evalea Glanges the medical student saw that bullet hole at close range with a friend and said it was entered by the front . She then said the secret service agent saw them looking at it and quickly got in the car and drove away. RU-vid Bullets in the limousine and extra bullets at Dealey Plaza
no it was not, it went to ohio to Hess and Eisenhardt who built the car originally for FOrd. Ford owned the car, and it was rented to the US Gov for $500 a year
@@califdad4 There are testimonials from two respected Ford Glass Works employees at who made compelling claims that the limo, unsanitized, was clandestinely brought in at night to them at Rogue plant. The men, the supervisor and his top aide removed, fabricated new glass, discarded old, and replaced the windshield with new. They were told to destroy old glass by G-men. They were told federal prison and financial ruin would await them ((and their families) if they every spoke Also, available on RU-vid are interviews with very respectable witnesses at the hospital parking lot. They state that there was "...clearly a through the windshield bullet hole that entered from the front of vehicle..." Also, available on RU-vid, is the recorded log of the limo location after shooting. It has a significant time-gap before it arrived in Ohio...enough time for the new glass.
@TermsofService The tin foil hatters get they’re facts from the movie jfk. the more I read the comments, the more I see @Jaddy540 is typical of them all, spout something completely false and hope everyone else is as clueless as them so it will be repeated till it’s truth.
@Buddy R. & LEE KONDRAS It was rebuilt months later, after it had been analyzed and inspected for months while in the White House garage. If ya'll have the truth on your side, why do you keep lying and distorting the facts?
Ford owned the car from day one, its pretty much the same car with armour plating and a roof. Its a 61 and the 61 had different grill and lights but by 1963 the from grill was changed to how the 62-63 Lincolns were
@@erlycuyler They also have the chair that Lincoln was shot in with bloodstains and all. It is in the adjacent "Greenfield Village", not in the museum. The chair is in the first courthouse where Lincoln practiced law. Henry Ford had the courthouse dismantled and moved to Dearborn.
Except it took days to remove the beams and instead of getting rid of them, some are on display in the memorial and in other places. The jfk limo, however was instantly cleaned and replaced to remove any and all incriminating evidence that it was anyone besides Oswald
I remember a scene when they were in airport Jackie ask President Kennedy do you want to leave the top up he said to Jackie it looks like a beautiful day so she agreed but to me I think NO President should be in an open car never ......Jackie stayed in the bloody clothes someone asked did she want to change she said let the people see what they have done to my husband!!! I will never forget her sad face she was a lady through and through!!!
You would think that someone, somewhere would have kept some kind of souvenir from that car along the scrubbing process. Complete and total coverup by powerful people.
Those Words About The Man who Actually was seen by the Eight Railroadworkers,and the Deafh and Eager man who saw the man in Policeuniform,with a Double Side-by-Side Brennecke-Mercury-Froozen Bullits shot at John F.Kennedys Head.Showed a White Cloud,caused by the White Mercury-containing all the Mercury Pearls-and Blood & Residues. Oswald Was Not The Second Shooter.
Johnson didn't like riding in the limo because he knew he had taken part in the assassination so he felt uneasy because it would bring it would bring back the memories.
That's exactly what a guilty man would say. I believe he squirmed with giddy joy at the thought of JFK being brutally murdered in the seat where he was then farting. LBJ was just such a scumbag.
germslover666 If you dicard JFK, LBJ was linked to six murders, including his sister, Josepha. Not only was he being dropped from the Kennedy ticket, RFK was going to prosecute him for those and other crimes.
well , at parkland hospital some one washed all the evidence away, saying they didn't want it to upset Jackie. All part of the cover up. no one can be so stupid as to not know the car and all its horrible contents is evidence, same as the body. All B.S. aside they were simply trying to control a crime scene. As for putting the car back into service that does seem a bit callus .
you get lost.....do you know what that bucket is? if you have done your homework.....and not listened to all the drones...and then you repeat it---and call that research.....you should know.....tell us????
@@LineMountain according to his neighbor long after he died. By the way the car was not washed at Parkland, the top was put on and a cover was put over it. The car was shipped to DC white house garage and the FBI investigated every the car , pictures etc
Take heed Forensic investigators, Limo caretakers, subsequent Presidents', and keepers without a conscience, care nor soul. May JFK, who died in that Limo, not only rest in peace but also haunt the souls of those who covered up the evidence in this crime scene -- and had the audacity to reside in it.
The Secret Service washed the blood stains and cleaned the Presidential Limo outside of Parkland Hospital, instead of preserving it for a crime scene investigation. The car was later that day flown back to Washington DC. There the car was further cleaned with bullet fragments found. There was much discussion of a “clean bullet hole” through the windshield. One Secret Service witness stated that the hole went clear through, wide enough to push a pencil through. There was also mention of chrome damage around the upper side of the windshield, plus the fact that the rearview mirror had been twisted during the shooting. George Whitaker Sr., was a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company back in 1993, and gave an interview telling that upon reporting for work on the Monday after the JFK Assassination ,that he was to report to the glass lab immediately. The door to the lab was locked, which was very unusual, so Whitaker had to be let in by one of the two lab assistants. To Whitaker’s surprise, the windshield to the JFK assassination limo was in the lab, with instructions to use it as a template to build a new windshield. Whitaker examined the windshield carefully, and saw a clean hole in the lower left area. Upon studying the hole further, he could determine the glass had been penetrated by the outside inward. This was made evident by the glass chipping away on the inside, much like a small BB hole would blast away glass on the backside. His subordinates upon making a new windshield, shattered the JFK windshield, as had been ordered The Presidential Limo was completely up dated, new engine installed for the extra weight because armor plating. Over an inch thick side windows that didn’t roll down, and a permanent top of the car. The original thought was to get a new limousine, till officials were told that it would take years. LBJ had to use FBI Director Hoover’s armored car in the interim. President Johnson wasn’t pleased with the thought of using his predecessor's assassination limo, and shocked that it came back to him with the same midnight blue color. “Paint it black,” LBJ demanded. The assassination limo continued into service with President Carter being the last to ride in it. It was retired out of service in 1978. Now it sits in the Henry Ford Museum. Why Ford? Because the US Government never owned the Limo, they just leased it. UP DATE The limo cost less than $8,000 new. It was extended a little more than 30 inches, the roof was raised to accommodate Top Hats, and rear seats could be raised ten inches for the President to be better seen. These were just a few of the modifications, including a “parade speed transmission.” This work was subbed out for $190,000. After the assassination, heavier armor, non roll down bullet proof side windows, et al, total improvements: nearly $500,000.
"The car went through some drastic alterations, since that fateful day. Along with the Zapruder film." Interesting then that the Bronson, Muchmore and Nix films all unanimously show that the Zapruder film wasn't altered after all, at least not in any significant way that has any bearing on the assassination. ;-)
The Crime scene was washed down, the front window replaced, and no Forensics inspection was done. This was a cover-up from the minute the Limo arrived at Parkland.
@davidarbuckle7236 As always, you're a few loops shy of a complete belt. It was only after the limo was gone over by the forensic teams that it was sent out to be refurbished
Some of the doctors say the head shot came from the front. Why did they change the windshield so soon ? The bullit hole and the angels would have pinpointed the location of the real shooter. Most likely from the storm drain , through the wind shield to his head .
hate to be picky, but you spelled 'bullet' the way Steve McQueen's name 'Bullit' is spelled in the film. I think there was more than one gunman, but has anyone (like we've seen Oswald's sniper's nest, and in fact, is a museum) seen the inside of the 'sniper's nest' in the storm drain? do we even know what angle he'd have down there to point a rifle directly at JFK'S head? how 'bout space? I only recall photos of the exterior of it. the only theory weaker than that, is the driver killing the President .please tell me SOMEONE, if they've ever seen the interior of the storm drain. a photo of it. or did Dallas let independent investigators under the street to view it?
@@Terry-te1ij I also really admire Dr. Walt Brown, whose done more research than anyone in print. his idea of a book is so big that they put it on CD-Rohm instead of a commercial release in a book. his conclusions aren't in line necessarily, w/ Groubert's, but they both are conspiracy guys. it'd be great if WB came on. the man who (I think) came up w/ a new title for the Gov't's report. 'the Warren Omission'.
Fascinating. To think it was rebuilt shortly after, as if there wasn't much thought given to it's future. Scrap or preserving etc. So it was back in use until '77 after the tragic, historical event, that it was prominantly involved in. It is beautiful though.
Wow, I’ve definitely learned something today. Had this conversation a few years ago with a friend about what they might have done with the car. We thought as soon as the investigation was done, recycled for sure.
homebuiltindoorplane the frame had to be reinforced because of the armor being added to it. The car was nearly 8000 pounds in its original condition the thing had to weigh damn near 10k pounds after the modifications.
After the investigation was done that car should have been left as is, in case any more investigation was needed, especially with the advancement if technology. I would never ever ridden in this car out of respect. This seems disgraceful and odd. What the government couldn’t afford a new car? Come on.
Nathan Dodge Technically,bhe didn't have to take the oath since he already did on Inauguration Day. By law, the Presidency automatically passes to the VP when the President can't carry out the duties of the office.
There is NO mystery,Eight Railroadworkers saw the Shooter,behind the Picket Fence-and followed him. He was later seen by Jack Rubys Truck,transported to a Private Aeroplane-From a Small and flew to Paris,Texas-with a Piper Cub,small Aeroplane. And Furthermoore the Lady in Red,on Left side of the Road-she was clapping hands-White Gloves on-and her Words was nazty=Quote"Bravissimo-mein Kaiser Söze".The Lady in Red,was Heard by a Woman taking it very bad-so she Went to Secret service-men,and told them about these facts-She was told :"If you value your Life,shut up about it"
Conspiracy Theories aside, it boggles my mind why you would put the car back into service, armour or no. It's a historic artifact of the time and just plain bad mojo
I think you are right, although they often customized these cars. The Reagan limousine (1972 Lincoln) had the grill of a later 70s Lincoln added by simply swapping out the header panel--the "nosecone"--that holds the headlights and grill. The 60s Lincolns had some evolution of the grill, lights, and bumpers over the decade while retaining the same basic body. Of course, I imagine the presidential body shop always employs some of the finest automotive craftsmen.
Yes, you're right. The Nixon car shown was the '66 era car, which was not the same body as the '61-65 so we're not talking about changing a grille, etc.
The clips shown here of Nixon are actually him riding in the subsequent 1969 Lincoln limousine which is a completely different car and is currently at his Presidential Library in California. An interesting clip, which I have never seen before, of Ford in the refreshed 1961 Lincoln limousine. Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt, and all the earlier Presidents rode in open top cars during parades so Kennedy doing the same thing should not be considered unusual.
How such a cursed vehicle would be put back in use is really a mystery to me. Should have been preserved as it was that day and never brought back in service.
At the time, I believe it was because of the cost. Now, there are always 2 presidential limousines produced, you can see both in any footage of a modern motorcade. The president always rides in the second car in line. Back then, there was just the one Lincoln made for the secret service. After the investigation, it was sent to the original fabricator in Ohio, to be stripped, armored, and the roof permanently attached. Even the upholstery was completely re done. I can’t recall how long it took, but it was under a year. People sometimes mistakenly say Nixon used this limousine for his inauguration, but that’s not correct. A new Lincoln limousine was made for him, but the Kennedy car stayed in the fleet. You can tell the difference by looking at the sheet metal differences in the 1961 Lincoln, and Nixon’s late 1960’s model. Nixon’s limousine was in the Guinness World Book at the time, as being the most expensive custom car of the time.
@@ATLcentury334 I hear your account of the circumstances and I’m sure you may be correct but it really is baffling that they would even consider using it again after such a tragedy but I guess times are different nowadays. Can’t imagine it would happen today
No, Pample, tell us what kind of turmoil would ensue the world over if Trump were to be assassinated. I think the world would breathe a sigh of relief, and then we'd have to deal with religious zealot Michael Pence.
Why don't you look up the definition of "zealot"? Zealot: a person who is FANATICAL and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals. That describes Mr. Pence, not JFK.
John L I don't understand where the reverence for JFK comes from he was a womanizer and not a particularly good president, I think if he hadn't been killed he would be remembered more for his private life.
So, a large majority of the world wept for John Kennedy because why?? Because the whole lot were simply deluded myopic fools who should have graded him based solely on some alleged sexual indiscretions - correct? sheesh
There is none so blind as one who will not see. Some people believe what they need to support their views on life, others read and try to look at all that is available and come to some conclusion based on facts. Some don't give a damn.
Arguing with pro-official theory nuts is like arguing with a fools. At least the 3-year old grows to be, hopefully, a sensible adult. But fools are stuck in their mental state.
this is a piece of history, however...it is really not the same car. It was gutted and armored and basically rebuilt. I believe even the motor was replaced to a more powerful one. But still it is the same car...but different. Must have been an odd feeling to the Presidents that had to use it after. I imagine the exterior is the same as it was on that day.
The added feature to the whole story is Agent Clint Hill's personal account of the moments before, during and after the fatal attack when he jumped onto the back of the limo and attempted to block the assassin's next bullet with his own body, a second or two too late. He says he felt the shot as it struck the back of JFK's head.
In the average US crime movie (Bullit, the Seven Ups, French connection...) 2-3 cars get smashed or blown up, and here they reuse this car for the next 2-3 presidents, in stead of putting it immediately in a museum or store it for other obvious reasons... Odd country, really....
Pres. Johnson was told it would take longer to build a new car, he borrowed a limo from J. Edgar Hoover. I would not have wanted to use it after Dallas!
they needed a car for the president , it would take over a year to build a new one and this was redone in armour, roof and other extras like good Air Conditioning in 5 months
I thought cars back in the 1960 s were disposable. I guess except for this one, as the government kept recycling it. My grandparents told me that once a car was 5 years old, it was trash, and people would abandon them on the streets.
How ridiculous. Cars from the 50s 60s weren't trash in 5 years, and abandoned on the road!! unless the owners treated them horrendously, or possibly in the rust belt, didn't maintain them. My 58 cadillac is 64 years old, and my 68 Mustang is 54, both still on the road.
