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The Lost World Pteranodons are still my favorite version. I still think that the JP III Pteranodons were InGen's first (failed) attempt to clone Pterosaurs, and the TLW Pteranodons are the second (perfected) clone variant.
I dont think the jp3 pteranodon were necessarily failures as now we know that there were animals being engineered for combat (indominus rex, blue echo Charlie and delta, indoraptor, maybe even the spinosaurus itself could've been designed for combat and warfare. My other theory is masrani wanted "cooler" looking dinosaurs "bigger, badder, more teeth". However that's just a theory
That's what I believe to be a probable explanation to the reasons we see a handful of different "versions" throughout the film canon. I mean, I spend alot of time throughout my day listening to these videos and trying to build off of them lol
@@milesbradshaw6643 2 years late but my belief is that the JW pteranodon is ingen’s “best of both worlds” pteranodon, they have the “weaponized” features of the jp3 pteranodons like the claws that can grab while having the more scientifically accurate head size and shape of the lost world pteranodons
I really like JP3's variant but man i do hope we get to see that beautiful Green/blueish variant from TLW again, love that design i and like how JWE's Rainforest Pteranodon pays homage to that.
I think the JP3 pteranodon being the way it was is a "throwback" to the novel. In the book, Hammond mentions being upset they had to pull the aviary from the main tour because of how hostile the "birds" were towards all humans. They even had to close up & "lock down" the viewing building because the pteranodons managed to break the glass and attract the workers inside. As far as the teeth go, don't forget, the brachiosaurus in JP3 had sharp pointy teeth.
The last we’ve heard of JPIII’s species is that they were taken out by Hoskins. TLW’s species is a mystery but can be assumed that like the rest of Site B according to DPG, they were wiped out from poaching and transportation to Nublar, though they specifically were likely left out, else we would’ve seen them mingle with the JW/FK species and Dimorphodon in 2015. Apparently, there are at least three of the JW/FK species. JPIII has been my favorite variant for a long time, but if TLW’s variant had more screen time such as with the deleted helicopter scene, they’d tie with JPIII
While there's no concrete evidence for it my head canon is that, given their evident incarceration and what we later know of what Wu's dubious activities in the JW sequels, the JP3 Pteranodons were one of his earliest, secret pet project attempts at aggressive hybridization. I also don't think that it was something Hammond would have sanctioned and given he said he's been at the birth of every dinosaur hatched I suspect, also given what he know about Wu being shady AF, he probably lied to Hammond about why these Pteradons had teeth and why they may have been aggressively pecking at Hammond's nose as soon as they came out they egg that they were probably a badly sequenced batch or something. Rather than have these bad hatchlings all destroyed Hammond, being a big softy and someone who spared no expense, instead built the bird cage as a prison especially for these aggressive Pteradons.
I think it was done in secret and hammond had no idea what was really going on at site B as his focus was the park so much. Wu and his conspirators cloned on a small number of the more docile ones intended for Hammond's people to see whilst the cage was being stocked with the more aggressive ones in secret as an early demo as they saw hammond's revenue streams drying up and planned even back then to find "alternative" way's to profit on their investment. This could explain why there were things "not on Ingen's list", The list came from Hammond and his supporters after the san diego incident, the list contained only the dinosaurs Hammond had approved as he was blissfully or intentionally unaware of the darker side of the company.
5:39 most likely exploring the possibilities of genetic power, as ingen did in the novel, maybe this was the first true variant ingen had bred on the island? and the one we see in TLW is heir second attempt.
6:20 in fact, if one were to compare all three pteranodons to their ancestor: "pteranodon longiceps" the JW pteranodon is probably the CLOSEST to their mesozoic counterpart. the shape of the beak, the rough body-shape, the lack of teeth, and the very fact that compared to the other two variants, they actually have far less grip in their feet. what do I mean? simply put if you compare their feet to the eagle-like talons of the JP3 variant, the JW ones actually tend to prematurely drop their prey. they may try to grab their prey with their feet (occasionally) but they don't seem to get a good-enough grip to reasonably hold their prey for more than a few seconds at most.
I believe that there were 2 variants of pterosaurs on the island, the ones that are already escaped as you said are more docile and have no teeth, making them less dangerous. The ones locked up, are probably locked up for a reason.
It's interesting to see how different they are, and it would be really cool to have an explanation with all three designs sharing the same screen, either free or captured.
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With TLW, the pteranodon disign is much more birdlike and based on accurate reconstructions they had at the time. But in JP3, it seems that they based the disign more on horror and rough creepiness.
What if the pteranodons were failed experiments? You know, like the spino was a genes placing experiment, And the embryonics lab thing was never explained. So its probably a failed experiment.
@@bobcat24 I would love to see him to talk about the various creatures on Skull Island like Kong, the V Rex, and all the other prehistoric creatures of Skull Island that existed there before the Island sink
Great video of the Pteranodon in the Jurassic Series. We wish we would’ve seen the full coloration of the Pteranodon in The Lost World Jurassic Park right before Jurassic Park III and Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom.
On a serious note ... I will pay you to do audio books of the jurasic park franchise. I love the way you narrate some of the skits from the movies/books!! PLEASE CONSIDER!!
I've come to buy into that, across both trilogies, InGen cloned three distinct, genetically-different subspecies of Pteranodon. But as "JP3" showed, that's hardly new territory for that company: just look at the "JP3" Velociraptors as another example, and compare them with both their earlier and later versions to get a sense of this.
Id like to think that Ingen kept them quarantined in the aviary because of their aggression, and the fact that they do seem a bit bigger than TLW pteros, maybe they didnt want them to migrate (which these specimens did try to do after JP3 if im understanding the end of that film and the extended canon involving Vick and his mercs correctly)
personally my canon/theory is that the JP2 pteranodons where ingen's actual pteranodon that were planned to be integrated later in jurassic park , and that the JP3 "pteranodons" are actually ludodactylus wich doctor wu dicoverd and clonned the genome in a new batch of fossil material (amber) that was left on isla sorna and that doctor wu extracted illegaly while on his trip back to isla sorna (this same batch also contained the DNA of : spinosaurus , ceratosaurus , corythosaurus , a more complete genus of velociraptor (explaining the quills) , ankylosaurus , dryosaurus (personal addition) and of course ludodactylus) so there you go her is my theory hope you enjoy it :)
Actually, the Geosternbergia design is canon, as it is seen on the monitors in the RV in TLW. Also, when asked about their status in the film canon, Jack Ewins stated they are "MIA".
I have a theory for what happened to the Lost World Pteranodons. First and foremost, I agree with the theory that they're different versions/iterations. I think the pteranodons from JP3 were actually an earlier version one a little ill defined and not exactly stable. They were too aggressive towards...pretty much everything, so the InGen scientists halted the production of the first batch after a bit and took the genome back to the drawing board. Not wanting to lose what research could be gained from the batch, they left them in the aviary for study. Then the InGen scientists went to work on a later batch, the Lost world Pteranodons, attempting to make them more suitable for the park by making them more docile, maybe even adding in something like an implant so that they didn't roam outside their island territory. So when the hurricane hit, InGen abandoned the island, the JP3 Pteranodons remained in their bird cage while their less aggressive cousins were allowed to roam free. But what if whatever they did to them also took down their preservation instincts a few degrees? After all, an animal has no need to be aggressive it doesn't feel threatened. That would explain why we don't see any in the Lost world until the very end of the movie, there're so docile that they don't see predators as a threat and their population has taken a major hit because of it.
My theory is that the JP3 ones were a failed experiment. Maybe someone tried to make more of what we saw in the second movie, but the DNA got corrupted and mixed up, hence the teeth, beefier bodies and high aggression.
Personally, I think that the raptor and Pteranodon variants seen in JP3 might have been cloned by that Masrani splinter section mentioned in the DPG/Masrani Backdoor. It would explain why the Pteranodons weren't all dead by the time Alan and co. got to the cage.
I actually would’ve loved for them to expand upon aerial species. All we really get are these and the _Dimorphodon,_ and I really don’t like Jurassic’s depiction the latter. It looks like a feathery tyrannosaur hatching with mange and wings glued on. It’d actually be among my favorites if they just have it a different skull and some brighter colors.
Have you seen the scene after the credits of fallen kingdom? It might not me much but it shows the pteranodons flying around a Las Vegas building. I stumbled upon it when the movie was on TV........ go check it out.
I like the theory that the JP3 Pteranodons are the first attempt to clone the species, but due to its aggression, and possibly technological advantages, the TLW ones were planned for the original Jurassic Park, and those were set free due to their temperament differences. And with the JW ones, I reckon with time, and firther cloning advances, they were able to make a more accurate animal, which is how they look so different from the JP era Pteranodons. But with that, they are just as aggressive as the JP3 kind. Just my theory ;)
As far as Jurassic World goes, nearly all the dinosaurs in that park are very different anatomically compared to the JP clones. Perhaps Wu's pitch about making the dinosaurs more appealing to the public had a better result on Masrani?
I mean in the fossil record there is various species of pteranodon, and I've kinda always thought that in JP, are any of the dinosaurs not hybrids. Like for example, was there some tarbosaurus in the t-rex, some achilobator or deinonychus in the velociraptor. I'm not sure if ingen would really care. A raptor is a raptor, a tyrannosaur is a tyrannosaur. A pterosaur is a pterosaur. Maybe the second batch of pteranodon also had a bit of ornithocheirid DNA or some other kind of toothed pterosaur
I'd say its Henry Wu. "We need to Upgrade these Animals." I fully believe that Henry was already making select Animals what he wanted. Remember Blue was Version 4 Raptor while Delta, Charlie, and Echo were version 3.
Ever since I read the book and was introduced to the "version" concept I have personally believed that jp3 Pteranodon was sort of the first run and once they discovered either how aggressive they where or maybe Hammond decided that he wanted more accurate animals for the park they got locked in the aviary. The lost world design is probably the final version for use in the park as stated in the video. As for the JW individuals, I'm not exactly sure what the idea was there.
I just thought that they never stopped cloning animals even after the events of the first 2 movies and that just every batch of dinosaur they made was different from the previous one.
I agree with the idea that we are dealing with three different kinds of variation. If you look back to the original novels, there were different versions of the species showcased in the park, similar to different iterations of software.
Since the DPG website, I kinda went with the assumption that the JP3 Pteranodons may have been a part of the Amalgam experimentation when Wu and his team returned to Sorna, post-TLW. And with it's mutant characteristics (teeth, aggression, and overall size) and that they were kept alive in an Ingen aviary for years, without starving to death from or having to rely on a the very slim chance of a meal wandering into their cage, I lean to likelihood that the JP3 variants having been bred around the same time that Wu had bred the Spinosaurus, Ceratosaurus and other "illegal" species, rather than this group having somehow survived trapped in their cage since 1993. And as to "why" Wu and his cohorts may have bred mutant Pteranodons like that is up to anyone's guess? Maybe he was just experimenting with what genes he could splice, turn "on" or "off" to manipulate phenotypes? Or maybe he was exploring military applications akin to what Hoskins was after with the IBRIS program? Who knows?
As far as the JP2 and JP3 ones go, it could be the full grown ones that were in the aviary were the original ones that were cloned on site B, but perhaps the ones we see in JP2 are the children of the other ones that were able to escape the broken parts of the aviary while they were still small. That could explain some of the genetic deviations, like the quills and stripes in the raptors. Obviously this doesn't really line up with current canon, as well as it only works if you ignore the original intent of these being different groups of creatures, but it's not that crazy in comparison to things that are factually canon.
Was hoping for a BBC documentary narrated by David Attenborough about the ecosystem of the Jurassic Park islands of Muerta Nublar and Sorna Talking about the dinosaurs and the pterosaurs before the events of the JP movies
It could be subspecies for later aviary expansions to the park. Making it all at once could have costed to much money when they could focus that on animals people want to see like the T.Rex.
I've actually been waiting for you to make this video for ages Klayton so thanks for the content. I've always loved the jp pteranodons I thought the black jw ones were cool too but I would have been happy with original pteranodon (jp2) and dimorphodons instead of the black ones in Jurassic world
Hey Klayton, you should make a video about that bizarre Compy tab-dancing animation that was a thank you to Steven Speilberg! You can find it in the behind-the-scenes for the Lost World.😂😂😂
Love the Lost World look, but the JP3 variant might be the scariest “dinosaur” for me, the colours make them look like they’re rotting and they’re some of the most aggressive, almost as aggressive as the early movie raptors…
I still believe that a more real world behind the scenes explanation for the TLW Pteranodons were that they wanted to have them in the film, possibly as a reference to the cage from the JP book, but couldn't come up with a way to integrate them into the story so they just put them in at the end
I hope they implement the Novel Dinosaur versions. That could easily explain the different appearances, each different appearance of each animal was a different version.
The original book talks about those animals, but they showed them up in Jurassic Park 3, not in the first movie. They didn't tell anybody about those animals, why? bcause they realize that they were extremely dangerous, and they have kept them inside the huge cage WHILE not even having it finished yet, so they also couldn't give them food, that's why they were extremely fierce animals when they encounter Grant and the kids. They were very dangerous so it was difficult to manage them.
So I just came to this video after watching an older vid you’d made on the Death of Dr. Wu, I think back in 2018. And your voice is sooo different now. For a sec it made me question if it was really you 😂
I feel like JP3 was kind of the start of a lot of missing information in the lore for us fans. I guess because it wasn't based on anything like the first two films were, they at least had the novels backing them. Whereas JP3 kind of had to strike out into unexplored territory. Now for myself, I really liked the new dinosaurs and new designs in JP3. It was mysterious and exciting, and is a big reason why I like the movie. But you're right, there's a lot of new stuff introduced in that film and not much of any of it really gets explained, even 20 yrs later. I suppose the biggest revelation it's given us was the heavy implication that Ingen had secretly been cloning new dinosaurs such as the Spino in their early attempts at what would eventually be the Indominus and Indoraptor hybrids. So my theory is that the aggressive Pteranodons in JP3 were their early attempts at perhaps Pterosaur hybrids, which could explain their different looks and most obviously, behavior and aggression. Perhaps they're a secret program like the Spino was. To what end that Ingen would want to experiment with possible hybridized Pteranodons... Is anyone's guess... They were crazy enough to want to use weaponized raptors...
I mean throwing this idea out there, what if all the different dinosaur variants we saw are possibly all different sub species adapted to live in different biomes? I mean I used to hypothesise what if Isla Sorna was big enough to support more than one type of biome, a more temperate biome where you'd find more the lost world, and a southern more tropical biome where jp3 took place? It's not impossible that with the amount of genetic work done on all the dinosaurs, and living such large islands that they'd possibly adapt and change to better suit they're respective habitats over the 30 years that Dr. Wu has been bringing them back to life? I mean I could be completely wrong but I mean it's a thought eh?
Don’t forget that TLW tiger striped raptors also aren’t male variants of the JP1 raptors since there are actually female TLW variants that are just duller in coloration
The ones in LWJP were the ones supposed to be featured in the park, the large head crest of the one at the end shows it's a male(meaning they successfully changed sex). The JP3 were experiments by Dr Wu during the amalgam test. He made a strange hybrid mixed bird. The ones in JW were possible slightly modified genome (slightly changed appearance skin color and so on to make them more appealing for the park) of the original ones seen in LWJP but now they are female which means they have the smaller crest.
My theory is that Wu and the scientists cloned pteranodons, they made two different strains.The first was the ones from JP3, the more aggressive and undesirable ones.Hammond either didn’t know or did know and knowing they weren’t suitable for display, ordered them to locked up.The size and age of the cage points to a large effort.The 2nd variation was much better, and 10 were bred.Hammond knew how dangerous they were so likely intentionally put them off ingens list and placed the cage on the far side of the island where Ludlows expedition and other people would never go.I think that the skull we see in the aviary may have come from one hunter who was lost and ended up in there.
Hey klayton I own Jurassic park 1 cards and were given to me as a gift when i was in 8th grade and it shows the info on the movie characters and dinosaurs and how the donor were drawn and what was put in and cut out of the movie
The ones in JP3 could’ve just been a failed attempt at making them, perhaps they were gonna do some exhibit with them to show the public how hard it is to perfectly bring these animals back from extinction while then being able to compare them to a successful perfected version of it like we saw in the lost world, except that the events of the JP happened and everything was abandoned. On why the difference appearances of them between all the movies though, I think it could be attributed to the frog dna used to bring everything in Jurassic park to life, since there are a total of 3 variations of the pteranodons(5 if you want to include the concept designs that were almost used) that could’ve been attributed to the fact that the first one that we saw in the lost world was a first attempt(I know it contradicts what I said earlier, this is an alternative theory), the ones in JP3 we’re the 2nd attempt, while the ones we see in Jurassic World was potentially the 3rd attempt at it, why they would do this you ask? Well perhaps they didn’t like the look of the first batch so they switch frog species to see if that would help, when the second batch was made they realized that once the park was open they could make more of them and thus the built The aviary for them to hold onto them just Incase these were the ones that they had to display, once Jurassic World started development they switched frog species again until they finally got the results they had desired for, at least in terms of looks. It would make sense of switching frog species could cause a different appearance in the pteranodons when you consider the fact that the Dilophosaurus got its venom spray unintentionally from the frog dna they used to make them, so results you weren’t expecting based off of the frog dna is a probable cause for the pteranodons
The JP3 pteranodons could possibly be the same group but since they’ve been cooped up in the aviary the entire time they’ve been subject to micro evolution. They might have bred once or twice within the 4 years(?) since they were abandoned. So they could have micro evolved certain traits to make that lifestyle easier. Just a thought
If you have heard, many people are wanting to change Oviraptor's name, since we have found new discoveries of the animal. If i could change the name it would be Ovipaterasosaurus translating to "Egg Father lizard "
