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What happened to my viburnum? 

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What's happening with my Viburnum? Over the last three years or so it's been gradually dying. I talked with an expert who told me it might not be what I was thinking.
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@ladikmk
@ladikmk Год назад
After gardening for the last 32 years I’ve come to the realization that the plants I add to my garden are often-times “disposables.” The reason I say that is: they weren’t there in the first place, as in naturalized. We experiment, push the edge on planting Zones, plant something we fall in love with but it really doesn’t belong where we plant it, etc. In essence, we are garden “inventors.” So the fact that I win some is great, but knowing full well that I will lose some too won’t throw me over the edge either. Thanks for sharing Erin. It’s always interesting to learn the research behind gardening decisions/problems.
@susanavenir
@susanavenir Год назад
Yep, as my doctor says, "If the diagnosis is wrong, the treatment won't work." Thanks especially for telling us about Gary!
@wilmasgarden3098
@wilmasgarden3098 Год назад
I recently lost my Bridal Wreath Spirea . I wish I followed you then as you give fantastic advice. It was hard as my mom had one, and when I bought my home, it was one of the first shrubs I planted (30 years ago). Thank you for showing the good, the bad, and the ugly of gardening.
@KyAl2
@KyAl2 6 месяцев назад
I have a suggestion because I have a 57+ year old viburnum in my back yard. As far as I can remember it was there when my family moved in in 1967 and I inherited the house over 2 years ago and have been maintaining the yard a bit longer. I have cut away dead branches over time and it did have algae growing on some and I removed those as well. It's about 6 feet wide by 8 feet tall. The thing I think has helped it recently is that I put a bird feeder on it back in the fall of 2022. As a result I get the benefit of birds pecking around the ground for months as well as leaving droppings so I think that has helped to enrich the soil into which the tree is tapping. If there are borers, I don't they stand a chance as they become a food source. My mother for years had a bird bath near the tree so that also may have helped to draw the birds near it and seek out any potential food source. So I would suggest setting up a bird feeder nearby or even just sprinkling the ground next to the tree and let the birds have at it as an alternative to using a chemical agent. FWIW, I'm in a suburb of Cleveland Ohio to give you an idea of the planting zone.
@bveezy5246
@bveezy5246 Год назад
I ordered 2 viburnums from them last spring. Gary and Sue are delightful people.
@ingridwengert3199
@ingridwengert3199 Год назад
What a fantastic idea for a post! I would have loved it if you could have just done a minute at the end on what you are currently thinking and why. Thanks for your time and energy ... enjoy your channel very much!
@bobbiejeanm7470
@bobbiejeanm7470 Год назад
Yes! I was hoping for the same! Maybe an update in the future?
@joycemoulis4392
@joycemoulis4392 Год назад
Thanks Erin! I'm struggling with an ailing 20 year old Carlisle viburnum. Leaves brown, dry, branch die back. Had extension examine sample branch and soil tested. No apprent problem. Giving it another season with lots of TLC. Trimmed back dead. Love this shrub . Garden 6a in Overland Park, KS. Enjoy your channel ...and your approach to gardening!!!
@susanrieske4258
@susanrieske4258 Год назад
Hmmm...a new series! Plant autopsy! Cue the CSI theme song...
@bethheerten1132
@bethheerten1132 Год назад
I could certainly use that on occasion.
@AttnDefDis_
@AttnDefDis_ Год назад
When I bought my house, there was some sort of cranberry viburnum planted in the front. I left it for a year while I worked on other parts of the house. I noticed it barely bloomed and the leaves were white on the ends. I took some to a nursery and was told it seemed like borers and was told what to look for. Sure enough, the base was riddled with holes and broke apart easily. I amended the bed and planted an Ivory Halo Dogwood in its place. I could not be happier with how that shrub looks and has performed.
@alisonbwise
@alisonbwise Год назад
Thanks, Erin!! I've had a similar problem with one of my double-files, and I've had a similar journey with it. It's good to know that even the most experienced and knowledgeable gardeners have the same challenges as someone like me! My real disappointment is that I thought viburnums were bang-for-your-buck, no-maintenance shrubs, because I'm lazy 💚😉💚
@sherylemoore8626
@sherylemoore8626 Год назад
Great video! So informative. I am looking forward to when "future" and "present" Erin agree. Thank you for all the info and inspiration and hope.
@heatheruiz
@heatheruiz Год назад
Same problem with my viburnum. It was in the garden of the house I bought. I'll have to replace it, probably this year. Please update us on what happens with yours. It's very helpful. Thanks.
@nyplantings2420
@nyplantings2420 Год назад
Hello and thanks for the video. Good stuff! I particularly like the way you share the thought process and do not behave as if every conclusion or theory is the absolute fact, that with plants and trees it is VERY difficult to diagnose issues. I am also finding that more and more trees, shrubs and perennials are becoming sick and dying every year along the Northeast. I am not seeing as many saplings shoot up like I did 30 years ago. I am truly worried about the future of our trees.
@karinjohnston6568
@karinjohnston6568 Год назад
I love viburnums but my experience is that they are not the most resilient of plants., and not long-lived. Two of my neighbours had the same variety as you; absolutely beautiful for several years and then they died very quickly. I have also lost a mature viburnum (summer snowflake?) -it too was beautiful, then started to show signs of distress and by the time I noticed it was basically too late. There is a second one planted close by, same conditions and it is fine so far. I still love them but I have adjusted my expectations.
@jondebbiegraff6492
@jondebbiegraff6492 Год назад
Great video Erin! I hope the next viburnum thrives for you.
@sherriianiro747
@sherriianiro747 Год назад
It is worth to take the extra steps and have soil tested too. Verticillium is in the soil so no matter what you replace the plant with you're doomed if not taken care of. Botryosphaeria is not deadly.
@j.c.linden
@j.c.linden Год назад
I had two of those exact viburnums. Both got big and were lovely in bloom. Then one July, one plant had all the leaves turn sort of a reddish brown and hung on the branches. Hmmm, not good. That fall I cut it down and dug it out. Did not see anything on the bark or inside to indicate why. Now the other one, the next 2 seasons, had a FEW branches whose leaves turned brown and I cut them off. Last year it was still a big nice looking plant. We shall see what this year brings.
@sonyarogersmissmagic8587
@sonyarogersmissmagic8587 Год назад
I would plant something else that gives more interest, or longer bloom time, or more benefits like swamp milkweed, snowball hydrangeas, and Honeysuckle. Plants that really don't do anything but look good for one season, have too many issues with pests and disease, don't really interest me anymore. I save those kinds of high-maintenance plants for containers in the annual categories. The ones out in my landscape I want to be able to hold their own without too much fuss. It makes my gardening easier. I'm sure being the master gardener that you are can agree seeing bigger, better flowers, or monarch butterflies, or humming birds is a lot more fun than a plant that really does nothing.
@MrRKWRIGHT
@MrRKWRIGHT Год назад
Good Saturday morning Erin. Happy New Year. For some strange reason, I'm also having trouble with my virurnum as well. And thanksfor all your gardening tips throughout the year. 👍👍
@gardeningjunkie2267
@gardeningjunkie2267 Год назад
I used to get so much borer damage, mainly because I was pruning during warm weather when the plant wasn't dormant. If you prune during cold weather, all the insects are away and you can safely prune.
@atlantagardener1
@atlantagardener1 Год назад
I had a macrophylla hydrangea that died one branch at a time and someone suggested verticillium wilt. Would love for you to talk in another video about how to address that issue and whether I can ever plant anything there again. Thanks for the great content!
@kimedge7493
@kimedge7493 Год назад
I have a viburnum 'Summer Snowflake' that can't make up its mind if it is going to live or not. The first few years it was beautiful but now the base looks like yours did, a stump of sawed off branches. It does still send up smaller shoots from this base. Around three years old it was seven feet tall and three feet across but now it is a petite four feet tall and two feet across. Two university sites say it has no serious insect or disease problems. I wish they'd come and have a talk with ours because I'm thinking it is not hardy.
@urchinsushi2041
@urchinsushi2041 Год назад
Thank-you for this video! Yes, I am very curious about your next viburnum - please keep us posted, are there any recent introductions of viburnum that have improved disease and pest resistance ??
@michellejames5953
@michellejames5953 Год назад
I just lost 2 viburnums this past Summer. One never leafed out and the other leafed and then the leafs looked sad and started to brown, almost like it needed water, but I gave it supplemental water and nothing changed. I ended up having my tree guy pull them out with a chain, but I have 8 more and will most likely do what you’re gonna do. Thanks for the helpful advice
@dbueter
@dbueter 3 месяца назад
Steady Edddy Doublefile Viburnum is incredible. I highly recommend it.
@SnappyR
@SnappyR Год назад
Great information Erin - thanks for the details. Sometimes we just don't think things through and if we have a problem sometimes we just rip things out and start over, even mistakenly with planting the same plant in the same spot! PS - where did you get that saw, I can't find it in your Amazon store. Happy New Year!
@dienekeoonk7018
@dienekeoonk7018 Год назад
I loveeeee Viburnums! So sad yours has to go. I in no way am an expert on anything plant related...at 4:31 I see little white dots on the bark of the branch in the lower left side. Are those bugs of any kind?? Love your garden!!
@CarlRudorf-co2qi
@CarlRudorf-co2qi Год назад
I'm a fan of Gary's. He coached me through the process of moving three sad shrubs, which today are thriving. And, oh, yes, these came from Nebraska.
@marianafranowicz
@marianafranowicz Год назад
Now I know what happened to one of my hydrangea thank you Erin
@itsmewende
@itsmewende Год назад
I'm glad you're a MG giving out advice, you're always helpful. Just curious if there's something like milky spore you could use to kill the bug underground, seen Yulia advise us to use it for Japanese beetles.?
@judymckerrow6720
@judymckerrow6720 Год назад
Thanks Erin.❄️💚🙃
@lbrazill
@lbrazill Год назад
Our Mariesii just up and died one bad winter when the plant was about 10' high x 12' wide and fairly old. Broke my heart, but once it was gone, there was space to put a stone stair up to the front garden.
@lisamorris4232
@lisamorris4232 Год назад
Thanks for this viburnum video. I have the same issue with a very stressed viburnum due to an extremely hot, harsh spot I planted it. Time for some detective work and probably, in the end, removing it.
@sonyakim4403
@sonyakim4403 Год назад
I had the weirdest issues with my popcorn viburnum in 2022 and lost at least 1/3 of it. We are in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin. I am going to let it go for 2023 but if it doesn’t look perfect in the remaining branches I’m going to dig it up and replace it. One of my favorites so very sad and hoping it pulls through!
@plantaddict4951
@plantaddict4951 Год назад
I second you boar hypothesis. I live in Wisconsin, zone 4b and had a similar problem. About 4-5 years ago, I had a snowball viburnum in my front yard that was not doing well. After having large sections die out, I decided to cut it back to the ground in an effort to rejuvenate it. However, when I went to cut it back in the spring, I found hollow sections in the stems and wood dust around the base. Seeing this, I knew boars were to blame. Luckily, there was one healthy sucker from the plant I was able to save, but everything else was too far gone. I haven’t planted another viburnum in its spot out of precaution. I believe this may be what your dealing with.
@amydeeds6248
@amydeeds6248 Год назад
Thanks for telling us about Gary. I have 40 ft trees in my backyard and would like some under story shrubs. Hopefully he can suggest a variety of viburnum. 😊
@upnorth21
@upnorth21 Год назад
Timely video as always! I'm thinking of doing regenerative pruning on my Viburnum, late winter, when they say to cut out the three largest trunks/limbs...hope it helps, they are huge, but having some die out in spots. Looking forward to checking out Gary's website.
@Olivia54984
@Olivia54984 Год назад
Maybe plant a hydrangea with similar size and flower form, like Hans Halo in that space instead. Plant the cool viburnum from Gary somewhere you can admire it and be a better viburnum caretaker ;)
@MisBunnypics
@MisBunnypics Год назад
I had a very mature forest pansy redbud do the exact same thing I guessed verticillium wilt really don't know for sure. Cut it down left the stump in the bed it was in. All other trees, shrubs and perennials in that boarder are fine. I planted a TF rose of Sharon and a quick fire hydrangea in it's place that thrived. Sometimes you never know I guess.
@Braedensground
@Braedensground Год назад
When I read viburnum death. My first thought was verticillium wilt. Lost 2 shrubs to that near each other probably 20 yrs ago now. Redbuds are very susceptible as well. Replaced with hydrangea arborescent ' Incrediball' and 'Incrediball Blush 'they have both been fine since planted. I have my Viburnum plicatum ' Mariesii' in another location. Good luck Erin!
@TheImpatientGardener
@TheImpatientGardener Год назад
I have lost a redbud (maybe two) to verticillium wilt and several lemony lace elderberries. Although verticillium can affect a fair number of plants, I find it easiest to just avoid the ones on at the top of the list.
@kbechtel33
@kbechtel33 Год назад
Good information 👍
@beckydunlavey5623
@beckydunlavey5623 Год назад
We are in northern IL and lost several to viburnum beetles. Morton Arboretum was really helpful, but the decision was to not plant any more and to shift to other species.
@jilladcock5648
@jilladcock5648 Год назад
Super helpful. I have a viburnum I loved that didn’t leaf out at all last year and it is only 3 or 4 years old. Definitely going to take a deeper look and research before giving up on it. Thanks for the great resources.
@MontysinMotion
@MontysinMotion 6 месяцев назад
I have a general question about your leaves if you don’t mind. What do you do with all the leaves that fall into all your gardens during autumn? Do you clean them out every year?, or are they left there allowing them to eventually work themselves into the ground below all your flowers?
@sueellis9275
@sueellis9275 Год назад
So this video suggests you now have a better idea what happened to the viburnum. Can't find any follow up from you on that. Could you share? Thanks
@AttnDefDis_
@AttnDefDis_ Год назад
I would be super curious to know which viburnums bloom when. For some reason, there is not much documentation on cross pollination for these awesome shrubs. Possible future video???
@K.tarot.mystic
@K.tarot.mystic Год назад
I had an issue with a specific type of rhododendron which I got rid of and replaced with the same cultivar but in a different area of the garden and the same issue came up, I’m giving up with it now but sometimes it’s worth giving things a second go
@stephaniesharkey3538
@stephaniesharkey3538 Год назад
Thanks Erin!!!!
@heatheruiz
@heatheruiz 4 месяца назад
My viburnum looks the same. Did your new viburnum do well in the same location?
@SharkSandwich451
@SharkSandwich451 Год назад
**Forget the permytherin- it’s good to spray on clothing because it’s not toxic when it dried (campers use it on sleeping bags & tents, gear, to repel ticks). I’m getting Beneficial Nematodes this year because they eat borers from the inside out. My boxwood thrip problem is going to be solved this year and I plan to apply it mid-April. Caterpillars got one of my ornamental crabapples so some is going there and I usually see a June bug problem underneath my vinca. We’ll see.
@tammyhoushour8070
@tammyhoushour8070 Год назад
Hope you took some picture's and then you could email them to Gary.
@laurelsayer7557
@laurelsayer7557 Год назад
Exactly the same thing has been happening to my vibumum plicatum here I'm UK. I'm unsure what the problem is too but thought it could be honey fungus, though I havn't really spotted any of those mycellium threads or noticed that typical mushroom smell.
@dave_in_florida
@dave_in_florida Год назад
Great discussion, but yes you have a dead tree / bush. Replace it Good luck.
@TheImpatientGardener
@TheImpatientGardener Год назад
Well it’s not actually dead but misshapen beyond salvaging, for my tastes. But the point of the video wasn’t to decide if it was dead or alive. I said from the beginning that it was coming out. The idea was to show people how they might go about troubleshooting problems in their own garden.
@joannemurphy7407
@joannemurphy7407 Год назад
What is that awesome saw???!!
@pamjennings825
@pamjennings825 Год назад
Yes, what is that awesome saw?
@rebeccapultz8416
@rebeccapultz8416 Год назад
Love vibutnums!
@cantor7723
@cantor7723 Год назад
Other than Japanese beetles (horrible in the deep south), my biggest pest is borers. They killed all of my cucumber, zucchini, and squash plants in a period of two weeks last year. From healthy plants to dead in a quick time. I'm ready to wage war on these things. Similarly, I've been told to just apply the pesticides to the base of the plant where it contacts the soil. That's where they enter the plants. I'm trying the "organic" pesticides first. If that doesn't work, I'll break out the *gasp* Sevin as it kills pretty much everything.
@mandaa4
@mandaa4 Год назад
Erin if it were the borers wouldn’t you see evidence in that inside the wood (their tunnels)?
@canuckviolet3322
@canuckviolet3322 Год назад
Hi, another MG here (NC). Considering you've got lots of time before you replant, why not go ahead and give the diagnostics folks a chance? Send them both plant material & soil samples and see if they come up with anything. I'm not sure they have to be live samples to still have evidence of the pathogen. If they can apprehend human killers with a miniscule bit of ancient DNA these days we should be able to catch the garden killers too!
@sarahlovesdonuts9601
@sarahlovesdonuts9601 Год назад
Could the drought have been the stress?
@bktcz
@bktcz Год назад
Do you have trouble with deer eating your viburnums? I just planted a couple this past summer and noticed deer damage pretty soon after - so have been spraying them... Dang deer! 😂
@bobbiejeanm7470
@bobbiejeanm7470 Год назад
Great video on diagnosis and research of a problem, thank you! I’m adding my request to another comment asking about your reasons for changing your mind about the diagnosis. Maybe you meant to and it just slipped your mind? That info would be very helpful also. On another unrelated subject, I saw the burn pile in back of you and wondered if the boards are old or newer treated ones? I think the new ones are ok to burn but the older aren’t because they were treated with arsenic. Pretty sure you already know that but wanted to mention it just in case. 😉👍❤️
@TheImpatientGardener
@TheImpatientGardener Год назад
Two factors that lead me in opposite directions (keeping in mind that the symptoms can be similar with both conditions): 1. The discoloration in the wood. Old, dead wood or B. Canker? 2. The damaged area at the crown that looks like potential borer damage. I can’t be sure and I think it’s too late for proper diagnosis. Since I’m generally optimistic, I’m just going to replant and see what happens. Taking better care of a new shrub, particularly in terms of drought stress, will go a long way to preventing a problem and since there’s at least a 50% chance of it being a borer problem, I think appropriate application of a pesticide for a year or two is a good call. And if it dies, well, I’ve certainly killed enough plants that one more won’t put me over the edge.
@dvssayer5621
@dvssayer5621 Год назад
i wonder if you poured a bunch of vinegar in the hole around where the bush was if it would kill the borers? or even some bleach? it kills stuff right? might be a dumb idea but ive always wondered if applications like that would work to clear an area. then wait a little while, then amend the soil really well. just a dumb thought i guess. also, does Gary sell larger plants? your vibernum was beautiful. now i want one, but im always wanting bigger plants and trees because i dont have 30 yrs to watch stuff grow anymore! ha.
@crabbiecakes5663
@crabbiecakes5663 Год назад
Vinegar would lower the PH of the soil and probably kill the plant. Hydrogen peroxide will help with root rot. I think bleach kills everything.
@jcbfree
@jcbfree Год назад
Can you use a mixture of hydrogen peroxide to disinfect soil? I know you would probably have to use a different grade of peroxide as 3% isn't very strong. Thanks for your help.
@suzannebartow6390
@suzannebartow6390 Год назад
You might want to drench the soil with Phyton just incase it was Virt. wilt.....
@loismaudson6322
@loismaudson6322 Год назад
interesting video ( u k )
@fredmcmurray6308
@fredmcmurray6308 Год назад
I stay away from experts now, every time I called State extensions offices or "Universities" to talk to experts no one ever returned my calls. The experts have no clue stick with hands on people with the working knowledge of what they GROW.
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