What Happened to Nicole Beharie Is Inexcusable aka F--k Sleepy Hollow Part II 

it's like watching elementary without lucy liu in it, gosh that would be such a boring show :I

This! They basically made the Freemasons! The moment she was killed off, I couldn’t get through it anymore and knowing the backstory now makes me even more upset. Same with American Gods and how they screwed over Orlando Jones and pretty much every PoC character that’s appeared.

Yup the show was garbage when she left.

Same. It felt weird with her ”sister” replacing her.

Same, it just became so boring and none of the characters had any chemistry after that. I think her departure and mistreatment is what lead to the show going downhill so fast.

There wasn't. That's why season 4 bombed. :p

I kinda fell off but I was intending to catch up, but then I heard they killed off Abbie and that was that on that.

I loved the first season. After that it started going down hill. When Abbie left, it was over.

@@Meanderingification yup...me too

Pretty much... I think about what this show could've been all the time man, it's a shame man. 🥺

ah yes, but you see, some people online are mean to them while they destroy the careers of their workers. obv cancel culture is much worse than blocking their ex-employees from getting new contracts. (i'm facetious, i'm just so mad i had no idea this went on behind the scenes of SH)

OOP!!!!!!!!

That's the real cancel culture tho. The people you don't hear about (usually minorites) and usually they are being cancelled by ppl w actual power not some randos on twitter as the media would have you believe

Show only had one good season which was the first season. After that, went down hill immediately

That's what I'm saying, like wtf...

I already had one foot out the door when Katrina basically took over, but I loved Abbie so I stuck with it, even as the writing declined. "She's one of the main two leads," I would tell myself, "I'm sure she'll get a better storyline/episodes sooner or later!" I kept lying to myself that it's just a creative dip in quality, and will pick up soon. Then they killed her off and I rage quit right there and then. I loathed how they treated her, and how they treated Nicole. She deserved way better than that mess.

SAME!!! I started watching bc of the premise but Nicole just DID AMAZING and HOOKED ME IN and then when I heard she was killed off in the next season I just stopped. I didnt want to watch is she was not going to be in it and leading and on screen

@@happychaosofthenorth I got sick of Season 3 less than halfway through. I did not like Betsy Ross at all. I remember putting off the show to binge-watch after the season ended, but I got the ending of Abbie's death spoiled. One of only two times I can remember a spoiler actually "spoiling" a show for me, but in this case I was grateful. It saved me so many hours of watching a show that I knew I was gonna hate. Good riddance.

It's f*cked up. A friend of mine was at the hospital for her 36 week checkup. She told them she thought she was in labor. They didn't believe her and sent her home. She ended up delivering in the ambulance later that day

@@caitlin228 This is ridiculous. Medical professionals need to be held to higher standards.

Caitlin We ended up delivering my sister alone in the hospital. My mom was saying that my sister was coming and crowning but the doctor didn’t check or believe her, said it wasn’t time yet and left. The doctor came back after my sister was born, barely seemed concerned she tried to take the baby off my mother’s chest for tests forgetting the fact that the umbilical cord was still attached since we had no idea what to do after. Still makes my blood boil to this day. My mother was 45 at the time too, like complications can always happen and with her being a little older you’d think there’d be more concern but nope. I’m still mad. 😡

@@shamidkpzd Oh god that is just horrible I'm sorry. Hope mama & baby are safe now! Ugh, did you report them at all?

Caitlin women, especially WOC, *especially* especially Black women are not taken seriously by the medical establishment, their pain is not taken seriously, their self reported symptoms are not taken seriously, and consequently black women are four times more likely to die due to pregnancy related complications as white women. It’s horrifying. You can be a wealthy, healthy woman like Serena Williams, but still almost die in childbirth because as a black woman, your concerns are not taken seriously. Even though she TOLD them she had a history of blood clots! Appalling.

I LOVED the show, and I had no ill will towards Tom Mison, as he genuinely seemed to really like Nicole and was disappointed that she was gone, but it was gratifying to see the ratings tank after getting rid of, not just Abby, but Orlando Jones' character, and other minority characters. And I am especially glad that show failed when the biracial actress playing Abbie's sister threw shade at Nicole. Like, sorry _sis_ but YOU are not that girl -- Nicole is. And now we know.

Funny thing is I legit thought she thought she was too good for (network) television, and for that show, and to be honest I would have agreed with her. I actually thought nobody fires the lead of a TV show, because "it's not like I'm watching it now that she's gone." I assumed the higher ups must know that. It's amazing how much credit that assumption naturally gives these clowns. I guess I thought on some level that capitalists only see green. Cynical egalitarianism, what a notion. They couldn't even look past her skin tone to see the dollars trailing behind her. Nobody involved in that production should have assumed it was okay to continue without her.

When it was airing, I kept telling my friends in disbelief how it seemed like the show creators were actively fighting their fanbase. Like...why would they do that? The show could have been so great and could have maintained its support if they cared at all about their loudest and most supportive fanbase at the time (black women).

@@futurestoryteller Even if she DID think she was too good for the show and/or had a bad attitude, they should have done everything to keep her on and write good material for her since she was THE biggest draw for the show. White celebrities (especially white male celebrities) can be rude af and still have the red carpet rolled out for them when it comes to treatment on set.

@@lavoshakern I actually disagree, but only on one point. See in my one solo comment on this video I said _literally_ the exact same thing you have here, with the caveat that I don't think we should give anyone a license to be an asshole. It's just that... if we _are_ giving people licenses to be assholes, there is no reason Behari should be excluded.

@@futurestoryteller Yep.

I remember they wouldn't even let her do DVD commentary on her own damn show. Like why didn't Tom stick up for and with her?

Me either. I stuck it out for a little while after she was gone but it was so unwatchable after that. Wish I had known what was going on bts back then.

I didnt know the background either.

@@OntarioAndrews415 same wtf

Not even that...i still remember UPN, and how the channel garnered the Black audience...then, they cancelled all the black shows that made the channel great and turned it into CW, replacing it with nothing but full white shows. They built that channel from our support and then threw us away the minute they didn't need us anymore.

Tanis C facts

@@infinitedreaming222 it's an old practice. Fox does it over and over again. That's why I refuse to watch anything from that network. I remember Heroes (nbc) doing the same thing after it's first season. Suddenly all the characters of color were being whittled away and it got BLAND.

I watched season 2 of AG and all he said made even more sense, they made such an effort to establish the black characters and draw comparisons to them and the humans, they set us up for changes in the future, only for production to claim they want to be more positive for s3 and write out the most perhaps the most prevalent of the character of s2.

@@TanisC #Truth

You and me both. I heard they did a 4th season but after she died, i didn't look back.

Same, when she left so did I.

That’s exactly when I stopped watching and I was so hopeful for that show. But then they killed off my favorite character and It was never as good.

Tom Mison never said a word on her behalf despite the chemistry they had on screen.

@D W we can only hope for some humanity and integrity and compassion from our coworkers. Tom Mison doesn't seem to have any of these things

@@dellytancyl524 -- Welp, Tom Mison's career also floundered. He ended up paying with relative obscurity-- he's not getting any leading roles.

Em E. Lol so true he’s watchmen in like a minor role and that’s all I’ve seen him in

Maureen Henning They always do him dirt 😭

Nicole and Tom also had such good chemistry on screen! I loved them together on screen and every funny "Ichabod doesn't know modern stuff" scene with the two of them.

@@TooMuchGinger Exactly, it made the series fun, and them having personal moments like that made the action/suspense stronger because we are like, "Please let these two be safe" I was so looking forward to Ichibod's wife coming back and the three of them going on field trip "see the modern world, kick ancient evil ass" kinda thing, but instead without Abby it felt like it was an excuse to have Ichibod just constantly keep a moody foot in the past.

You don’t just one day develop an autoimmune condition. She was more than likely missing days and the new show runner (coming fresh off another canceled show) thought the wife storyline could fill in the gaps. Not. It was terrible.

Same

Me too

Yep.

Same. It was one of my favorite shows during the first season. So much squandered potential.

Same!!

Yep, the show acted as if folks were ONLY about TM/Crane, but that was farther from the truth. I watch FOR NB, OB and JC and TM was secondary. He had amazing natural chemistry with NB as Crane/Abbie, but once she was gone the show tanked as it should have. NB was the show, TBH and why so many turned in and then turned out when they saw how her character and the actress was treated.

Shout out to all us fans who paid them dust after season 3 they really thought we would stay 🤭

@@Aishyo I bowed my ass out the second she died. I'm still pressed as all hell.

I thought the season was cancelled after she died as well. I was pissed when Abbie was killed off.

I recently decided to watch season 4, man it was terrible. Like this is why you killed her off?

Not louder than me, girl! I cackled!

Watchmen?

The Good Place (specifically Chidi and Simone)

Westworld

Malcom in the middle

Nubia N Baptiste that was made by a black man

Agreed! I was pissed at what they did to John's character and then again with Orlando Jones. The showrunners really only used those characters as props, which is ridiculous because they had so much potential and fan support! But the final straw was Nicole leaving. As soon as that happened, I cut it off and never looked back...

They stay doing John Cho dirty ngl

@@sigh824 Yeah. The dude had to create his own show just to get screen time.

I don't remember the show even going into WHY he was working for Moloch. No reason, whatsoever. Just that he's done some bad things. But WHY?

Wait did they cast Batgirl or are you talking about the new Batwoman?

I wish she was cast as Kate Kane instead of a former drug runner or whatever the fuck they’ve decided her new character’s backstory is.

Exactly! And I know the CW put out a statement saying that they'll "do better" and try to be more sensitive to the racism their black actors face, but let's be honest here, they were just looking to save face. If they truly cared, they would spoken up years ago when trolls were making fan edits of Candice's character killing herself. I do hope that they take more care with Batwoman though.

I finally had enough of The Flash the season that Nora came in or just before it because they way Nora treated Iris was sickening. I couldn't deal with the bullshit of the fandom and the way Iris was written and treated by the other characters anymore. Every so often I consider going back but then I'm like nah I'll just look at cute Tumblr gifsets.

Candace Sanders Nah that would’ve broke the character especially since she’s been established as white some comic people really want continuity. But please don’t have it be a drug runner or thug man

It could've been the next Buffy. There was so much potential there, if those fuckers didn't screw over their best characters. I think they were also afraid that dark skinned black woman was being widely shipped with the white lead.

And the weird thing is that she was being worked into the ground unlike her white costars , Orlando Bloom suggested the racism on the show when he left back then and now it makes sense. This is truly horrible The show destroyed it's self , season 2 to me was when the show started slowly going off the rails

Josh Roberts yep. Orlando Jones has been in the game long enough and been f*cked over enough to call it as he sees it. It is so incredibly messed up and I am glad it’s all being exposed!

As soon as Catrina got to much screen time I said fuck it.

Ugh more than a shame. Cruel and racist

it rly felt like the show had some kind of violent lobotomy in s2. it was so different in focus and scope from s1 that it gave me whiplash. like imagine ur goofy sounding genre show getting great ratings and some critical praise (a network tv show, u know how rare it is to get critics to say anything other than Meh or Ugh about network tv dramas post 2010??). and ALL of that is thanks to your black writer, black actors and the sizeable amount of black viewers who responded to seeing those faces and stories. and then u get ur s2 and u think "hey. this show has too much melanin in it. lets fix that". like the racism was sooo strong they looked in the face of all that success and went Nah. needs moar yt dude and boring yt lady. its no surprising both praise and audience numbers went down drastically after s2, even before Nicole was fired for being sick. disgusting tbh.

Icia Jay She was the all knowing and powerful witch that couldn’t save herself

Yea i thought i was the only one. I could sense the bull crap when they started pushing boring characters

Didn't seem to me like WB had a lot of black shows. All I really remember them airing were the shows on Kids WB on weekends, Buffy, Dawson's Creek, and 7th Heaven. Other than Static Shock that seems like the whitest network that I can possibly imagine. Plus, I don't know if you mean that the individual shows would get cut once _their_ (ratings?) numbers were up, but if you mean the networks as a whole, overall viewership has been trending down, due mostly to on demand viewing (including piracy.) It's also kind of disturbing that Fox would cultivate black viewers in the first place, considering their "News" model. But I guess it's kind of like how people call the lottery a tax on the poor. I'm afraid to by paper cups for fear the Koch's will get my money.

futurestoryteller the Steve Harvey show, Girls friends, Sister Sister, ever body hates cris and the game. Yes some of the shows started on other networks but then move to the CW(WB). Also at the height of their rating the were moved to Friday night or the networks will start moving black shows around to lower their view ship. For example Blacklightning had it’s best views on Tuesday after the flash now it is on Monday nights and the viewership dropped. This is how networks KILL shows. Not just black shows. But more often than not this is the treatment some successful black shows get.

@@daynaclemons8626 I almost asked you if Sister Sister was on that network, I used to watch that show. I did also watch some episodes of the Steve Harvey show. (I watched a lot of shows. Still do, actually.) But I assumed most black sitcoms I saw aired on UPN. Although when you started listing them I specifically remembered the Jamie Foxx show. I've got to say, while the Friday Night Death Slot is a fairly ubiquitously understood American staple, I don't know how you personally interpret the inherent contradiction of greenlighting a show, watching it succeed, and then killing it off capriciously, but it doesn't seem like a financially viable use of resources; to continually start production on shows, just to cancel them presumably for malicious reasons that _should_ logically coincide with a refusal to start production on them in the first place. After all, if a white supremacist doesn't want black people in his home, I don't think his strategy is to invite them to a party, and then kick them out as soon as they're a delight to the other guests. Then again I may just be playing devil's advocate here, as I'm not oblivious to how deep seated racism often is. Nobody has to be a card carrying member of the Klan for a bunch of executives, sitting around a table, being asked to cut one show from their line up that is arguably successful, (for some underlying reason) to believe that nine times out of ten they'll pick "that one black show" under the misconception that it naturally appeals to a narrow demographic. Regardless of its actual performance numbers. I think Black Lightning is a really weird show in ways I find difficult to articulate, it also happens to be the only one of those CW superhero shows that I genuninely found interesting last year. And I think the casting, the caliber of the actors, particularly the ones playing young teenagers, to be among the best CW has ever done, which is admittedly not a high bar to clear in most cases, but I think they're genuinely exceptional. So if someone asked me why I thought the network was (seemingly) thinking of cancelling Black Lightning, I'd say that it was probably for the same reason that it has the fewest episodes per season as any other CW DC show besides Legends. Which is probably the same reason they seemed reluctant to include them in the multiverse to begin with. I think this happens a lot with female led shows too. People don't put much faith in them and they suffer in ways that aren't necessary. I always thought that Supergirl had particularly awful CGI and fight choreography, even after accounting for it's old school 22 ep model, and the natural strain that has on the FX budget. I think Melissa Benoist is genuinely amazing too, as an actress and even she seems like she's phoning it in half-dead from boredom most episodes. Anyway, I am sorry for rambling at you, I have insomnia. I'm actually very tired.

@@daynaclemons8626 regarding black lightning being moved I don't think the move is racially motivated The flash is the highest rated show they have so they always try to use it to launch tv shows So shows get moved after one season Black lightning to me also had a second season slump in season 2 , I'm black and I wasn't that invested in it I only caught up recently with it in season 3 which was actually much better. Tv shows do still however need to keep their viewership by interesting viewers All American has been doing extremely well on the CW and Netflix for example it has a loyal audience which loves it

@@futurestoryteller Sorry but TLDR, but networks do it. For one reason or another networks kill popular shows. A famous example is Young Justice. The show wasnt deemed successful because a large part of the viewership were girls, and WB execs didnt want girls watching their superhero shows because "girls dont buy toys". So much goes on behind the scenes you cant just say a show is successful so why would execs kill it. What if it doesnt present the "image" they want for their station. Study ways studios have killed properties and youll find a whole host of reasons why but it happens and has always happened and there is a historic trend of young up and coming stations building viewership with black shows and dropping whole lineups in favor of more marketable white shows

Yes. Bigots will spite themselves if it means spiting you.

How much you wanna bet they used the decline of the show as 'evidence' Black leads don't sell lmao?

@@outherewildinb2874 it's weird because the first season was so successful. i wonder why

In Living Color is a perfect example of that. As soon as it was established, they got rid of experienced and creative minds who built it.

It's funny how "colorblind" I am in my assumptions about what goes on in these television shows, like how did I not notice how reluctant they still are on a whole range of productions about putting interracial leads in romantic roles together? I'm so used to the silly romance between leads that any non-romance between them seems refreshing, it didn't occur to me that change of pace is sometimes just more of the same when looked at from a different perspective.

@@futurestoryteller I was super into a show called Selfie, where the lead romantic couple are interracial, the cast was multiracial, and the show was run by a woman. It was cancelled after one season.

@boulderarms I never watched it bc I didn't have Netflix at the time, but I totally believe it .

Katrina's character was BORING and them trying to make her a thing is why is tanked.

It's crazy how many people (including me) stopped watching the show before any of us actually knew all this was going on, just goes to show how that toxic environment enveloped the entire production of the show moving forward. I remember thinking about trying to catch up on the show, saw Abby wasn't on it anymore and said nope.

Yeah no pls don't say things like relating medical conditions to that. You could really undermine ppl who are I'll beimg taken seriously.

@@BatsAndBadgers All I'm saying is that trauma including generational trauma have physiological effects, which is something Black women have repeatedly stated. Many people have experienced trauma and also developed immunological responses as a consequence.

it is not controversial to suggest that esp auto-immune illnesses can be triggered and maintained by trauma. look up Dr Gabor Maté

I thought her hair was naturally blonde

@@niktour352 yes, she dyes it brunette

I forgot! So with examples like that + recent reports, all points to Joss Whedon being a high key asshat

​@@ambriaashley3383 Yeah. I mean, when I was a kid, I found him annoying but wanted to like him. But now, he's just an asshat. There are no excuses for those reports.

Ambria Ashley I was pissed off with Joss Whedon about a lot of stuff in Buffy. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the MCU started. But after the pilot of Agents of SHIELD, that scene with the tranq gun pissed me off because they didn’t make that clear! That character decided to go with Coulson VOLUNTARILY. I know they were worried about him suddenly combusting but they could’ve done a vaccine scene instead. It reignited all of my old rage and I was like “never again”.

and they made her do that horrendous accent. she did her best with what they gave her to work with.

@@alisonjane7068 I mean, why not just cast an actual Jamaican if you want that accent? Ughh. But yeah, Lawson is a gem. That show didn't deserve her.

Teraj needs to spill the T. Cause CBS and paramount won't.

Yess please, yall got me over here connecting dots

Meeee toooo

You hit the nail on the head with that one, I’m still heart broken. Glad to kno I’m not alone.

I absolutely hated the way that show played out.

I wouldn't say they did it to prop him up, that's just the dumb excuse they tacked on to the narrative after they fired her to make it seem like it had a narrative justification. Not that this is substantially better, I'm saying they genuinely make it seem like it was intended to be a fitting and dramatic end for her character. What's astronomically idiotic about this "graceful exit" is that even if you were to fall for it hook, line, and sinker; any resonably competent storyteller can tell you that the end of the protagonists' story is an end to the *story.* You have to give people who have invested a reason to keep watching. With that ending they kept insisting "This is Ichabod Crane, you knew before you watched this, he is *the* main character of Sleepy Hollow." And I was like "I... don' think so..."

The way they victimized the Bonnie character with all those microaggressions was something to behold. The very white writers seemed to entirely neglect the racial undertones of the terrible treatment they gave her.

@@ndo533 Have you seen how the lead writer was pushing the 'strong Black woman' trope on an actual Black woman on Twitter? It was full circle.

Cw can't get a fuck you forever I really enjoyed the show TVD under Kevin Williamson even though his racism come through. But to read frakin Julie Plec Tweet Black women will save us bc she has no faith in white women...ummm I said oh you said you grew you said you changed since TVd. Can we talk about the Lockwood slave quarters. Can we talk about witches as handmaiden. I am so mad for Sleep Hollow and TVD did Bonnie Bennet and Kat!

And she is a GREAT actress, too! Ugh. Unfair

I worry about her physical safety after what happened to Ruby and my own personal dot connection that it is part of why Ruby is leaving the show after only one season

Chambers Netflix 🥰

Exactly, why is nobody talking about this? and Irish people/people with naturally orange or red hair.

Yellowstone on Paramount is pretty good and has a couple of regular native american characters but I agree there should be more representation.

Annmarie busu I love chambers

I don't know if you ever saw Red Road with Jason Momoa but they had a ton of native people in it and I was PISSED when that show got canceled after the 2nd season. It was really good. We finally go to see native people just be people with their own crap to deal with that had nothing to do with white people.

You don't have to imagine. Many black women have written articles about it or spoken on it.

@@sseraphim2818I appreciate you saying that and I'm glad such resources exist and me and my loved one have read some of those firsthand accounts - but I only meant that I will never actually experience that firsthand. I'm well aware that I can learn about it or hear about it secondhand.

Yes, it means they've maintained a winning quality for almost two decades.

@@azamonra uh...no

The National Television Awards and the BAFTAs are two completely different awards. It's like comparing the MTV Choice awards and the Oscars.

I've had to suffer through Ant and Dec's mediocrity on my TV screen since I was a child watching CBBC. I didn't understand why they were everywhere when they were completely uncharismatic. I'm nearly 30 now, and nothing has changed lol

@@Fhalei I mean, you and I are the same age and I've found it very easy to avoid them the last 15 years. Just don't watch reality shows on ITV.

She is on Black Mirror? I never wanted to watch that show. Now I have to. Thank you!

@Marcus Walters Shhhhhhh! Not so loud. If hey hear you, they might take it back.

@@collingalanos1783 😂

please do it!

I LOVED African Violet. That's where I was introduced to her.