kevin. Your vote is never in vain because it shows opposition to the `establishment,` and that you broadly agree with the declarations in the Reform `contract.` Therefore numerous votes along those lines tell those in power they need to address those areas of life, or quickly become unpopular.
yeah bought in labour for 5 years of 2m per year immigrants til the demograghcs of this country changed forever with the help of farage the est shill,....
So why does " Micheal Crick" keep getting invited back to GB, he's nothing in common with Mr Farage he,s just said he's just a posher type of lefty " anarchist" at Nigel's speech this afternoon, .
they were not AWARDED seats, they WON seats, reform won 5 of them, they came 1st place in 5 seats, all the other seats in the country they lost, lib dems came first in 71 seats. its that simple, not sure why you people dont understand. its not a referendum where we vote for 1 big issues as a whole country liek Brexit, that only 37% of the population voted for, its lots and lots of mini elections, and then the winners of those mini elections go onto westminster.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 Labours first election won them 2 seats and look at them now. Reform is new and already has 5 seats and 4.1 million votes. The morons who voted for labour will be on their knees in 5 years time, by which time the country will be well and truly wrecked. Enjoy your nightly prayer calls!
100%. No question. Its completely insane. But, remember that PR often ends up with ineffectual, weird coalition governments that can't accomplish anything and fall apart in 8 months. There's no easy fix here.
@@countfosco8535 another throw away comment... You are either a bot or a very sad individual. Labour have won and you are still on YT making comments to reform voters...mature, stable and openminded individual...oh the irony. Reeks of an unsavoury agenda...
@@DC3Refom Tice standard's hope snot scate... There leadership is not only run by Labour paid activists but are also ex- skBritish mashional farty, and ex- smashional brount. (very easy to google) As soon as they disavow those types, I'd be able to vote for them - not before.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333If you were any denser you’d be concrete. FPTP benefits the Uniparty and not the millions who are represented by so few. I swear you must be a child with your primary school view of politics.
It is, but 98 second place, the people are behind reform after four weeks of Farage. Nigel, Richard and Lee in parliament will make a shift. I hope they sort out their constituency’s and everyone will be begging for a reform MP. The few, want the top two and most voted to get Tories out and kier got less votes than corbyn. The revolt is on, it’s a win 😊. Let’s go. 😊
Lowering the voting age to 16, absolutely pathetic. At 16 if you commit a crime you have to be charged as a child but they want you to vote as an adult. Talk about clutching at straws to stay constantly in power.
@@pevebeTanks & paras…haven’t you heard that our military is completely and utterly depleted..in its current state it would struggle to fight its way out of a wet paper bag 😂
The big problem with PR is you will never get to choose your candidate and you will never get a representative. You can only ever get the party head office choice who has nothing to do with you or your area and can never be held to account by your area, only their head office. You'll never be able to recall them, you'll never be able to remove them, you'll never get to choose them.
I guess uneducated people don't know how our system works. How can you get seats if you don't win an area. Maybe they should do better and actually win, truth is reform is basically tories 2.0 so the right wing vote is split.
not to overlook the fact that Nigel spent many years to bring about Brexit before the referendum they are definitely aware of his abilities to bring about change.
Labour get a 1.6% vote increase resulting in an extra 211 seats. This is the main reason for such a low turnout. If you want higher turnouts and more public engagement then the electoral system must change to proportional representation.
God no. PR can never give you a choice of candidate and you will never get your area represented. You can only ever get the party head office choice, and they will have nothing to do with you or your area. They can never be held to account or recalled, only the party could do that, and you could never choose to vote for someone else if the person the party chooses to give you is scum.
I imagine that all reform voters will be able to explain in detail all of reform policies, actually they won't because they get to forrins and stop reading pensioners will be the end of the uk
Keep supporting reform everyone, this is only the beginning. From nothing a few months ago, they got a fantastic result in the highly orrupt system with constsnt snear. They're winning the youth vote and are resonating with a HUGE proportion of the rest of us. SUPPORT REFORM UK
If you get PR it means you will never have a local representative again. You could only ever have the party head office choice who doesn't care about you or your local area.
For any party to get two thirds of the seats with a third of the vote means they will have way too much voice. That voice which should be representing others is silenced!
Exactly. They are complaining that Reform cost them the election. How entitled can they be? They continued to fight seats where they knew they had no chance….
@@SAHBfanNigel stood down for them to secure a majority in 2019. 2024 they should have returned the favor. They’re so pompus, big headed and entitled. Right wing civil war, Reform will come out on top.
No they need to be elected by the people not appointed by political mates. The Lords has a crucial function to debate government policies and to make changes that benefit the people before those policies become law. Without the Lords the government can enact policies with no push back from anyone. If elected they can be wiped out if they don't do a good job. Appointed they're beyond the reach of the voting public but voting them in ends ex PM's and political mates becoming Lords because the only way to become a Lord is to be voted in by the people in a general election.
Gary I really dont think your far wrong their labour will find a way to get starmer out in 3 years maybe 2 the movement to bring khan in has already started.
Half as many people voted for Reform as there were voting Labour. Yet Labour have 411 seats and Reform have 5. That's a lot of people's opinions getting ignored right there. It just breeds even more contempt and division.
The 2022 Labour Party Conference overwhelmingly decided to legislate for PR as soon as Labour came to power. It also called on the next Labour Government to implement PR in the first term. Hands up all those holding their breath.
When you think of the number of people who died for us in the Second World War in order to preserve and protect democracy and then to have such an undemocratic system prevail in this country is simply disgusting and an offence to all those brave military personnel.
That undemocratic system has worked for hundreds of years. Each constituency elects an MP. That’s it. Reform have started small but they will build on this in the places they came 2nd and they will grow.
PR can never give you a representative. You will never be able to choose your MP. Only the party head office could choose and they have nothing to do with you or your local area. You'll never be able to recall your MP, or even choose not to vote for them if they are terrible, only the party can do that. PR would remove any semblance of democracy and flush it in favour of a more communist ideal. Stalin would be proud
@@jimwhippet3697 And why did they stop at Home ? Could it be the First-Past-the -Post system? Perhaps they thought that their MP was in such a safe-seat that he would get in anyway without them going to the trouble of going to the Polling Station. Or perhaps it was a safe-seat and they thought there was no point in them voting because their vote wouldn't count anyway. We need a change. If we had had PR atthis election, apparently Reform would have won 93 seats - a bit of a difference.
We ARE taking our country back! Keep watching… It’s enough of the cosy uniparty club… Starmer is Sunak - what’s the difference??? Same club. We have had enough. We ARE TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 🏴🏴🏴☝🏼🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
It’s disappointing but it’s the start we were all hoping for.Now Farage has a foothold in Parliament we can look forward to the calling out ot those who don’t like our traditional way of living
When the LibDems formed a government with the Tories during the The Cameron-Clegg coalition in 2010, the Libdem manifesto promised 2 main things. Top of their list was Proportional representation, and Secondly the scrapping of student tuition fees, and when they got the chance to push for both those policies in coalition they did nothing.. The establishment will to give people fair representation does not exist, why would a bunch of Turkeys vote for Christmas?.
@@jonmoll7178 No, not playing the system at all. Playing the system would suggest that the LibDems are getting some sort of advantage out of the current system. They are not. They would much prefer PR but they tried and they can't get it. What they are doing is focusing their energy on those constituencies where they can win. To me that shows experience and maturity. I'd rather have experienced and mature politicians than hand power to the chaos company.
Reform won 14.3% of the votes cast, which under PR would have equated to 93 seats!! The 5 seats Reform did get is an insult, especially as the Lib Dems had 12.2% of the votes cast and were able to secure 71 seats!!! PR is the only fair system that reflects the democratic view of the people. Labour won 412 seats (63% of the seats) with only 33% of the votes cast!!!
I voted reform, but regardless of whether you did or didn't, it is a strange system and hardly democratic when the people speak and they are ignored. Millions of votes and nothing to show for it, making it almost pointless in the first place.
FPTP gives a total distortion of votes percentage parties get vs the number of MPs in parliament. A Labour government with 34% vote support but 64% of MPs in parliament. Totally screwed up.
Reform over 4 millions votes and 5 seats. Lib Dem’s 3.4 million and 71 seats ? Hmmm first past the post is going to get a hell of a lot of scrutiny now and so it should. Only the UK and Belarus use 1st past the post in elections so are we in good company ?
We haven't GOT a democratic system. That would entail Proportional Representation and no 'in power' party is EVER going to vote for that. It would ensure they'd be binned next opportunity.
Britain shares the FPTP system with only one European state....That bastion of free speech, electoral honesty and good governance....Belarus. Says it all really.
Enjoy the honeymoon period Labour . 80% of the Country didn’t vote for Labour and they will be out next election. Reform will be taking those Labour votes no problem.
It just shows what an unfair electoral system we have and now Labour have a massive majority they will have the mandate to push through whatever they want to , it’s frightening
Not if all Brits could see through the "smoke and mirrors" as the 2 main parties are just the 2 sides of one coin who are both slaves to the WEF and have just committed an horrendous crime on the British people as indeed the rest of the Worlds Govts have done ....I'll let you work that out it's not too hard 🤔 but why would you vote for an entity which sh at on u and ur fam. Ily🤔
Reform UK are the only crowd who might get into power under the First Past The Post system and then change it. Not because it would then be in their interest but because they have principals, something that is absurdly alien to the Uniparty.
No point in complaining now. This has been a problem for decades. We vote in elections, but we don't have a say in how the system actually works. Hint: It doesn't work in our favour...
The only REAL question about reforming our electoral system (unless you're living in the Age of the Dinosaurs) is WHICH PR system to choose. The current 'Plurality' system has surely had its day. In my constituency, for example, the local Tory candidate and sitting MP received just 40% of the vote - which means, of course, that 60% voted AGAINST here (a similar percentage to those Germans voting against Hitler in 1933) - which doesn't seem terribly fair, somehow. If we had an Alternative Vote system, we'd probably have a higher turnout, with more people thinking their vote 'counted'. The fact that Reform, for example, had to 'pay' *800,000* votes per seat, whereas Labour needed only 23,605 (a generous 'discount' of 97%) alone demonstrates that the system is now as rotten as the 'Rotten Boroughs' of the past. Reform urgently needed!
Yes, a very simple and easy reform would be to simply allocate the seats in the House of Lords in proportion to the general election result. It could be done now. Why not?
Not if we STOP people from the Medieval Death Cult entering the country and ensure that Sharia brides here, (not the real /legal wife), get NO child benefits nor any housing benefit!
If Labour reduces the voting age to 16 year olds, then they need to increase the salaries, because I think it grossly unfair, that a 16 year old can do the same job as a 25 year old and be paid £2 - £4 less per hour. I'm referring to low skilled and unskilled jobs here. I've come across many teenagers helping support their families financially or having to pay for themselves because they have rent and living expenses. These salaries need to be equal for all ages. In retail, I've witnessed young people on low salaries (below the living wage) take on more responsibility than older people. Labour needs to address this if they are, as they claim, a party for the working class and they want that teen vote.
You must keep on `hammering home` this terrible and unjust system on every outlet you can. Use the figures which are a shame on our society. Keep bringing this up, because it will be swept under the carpet as sure as my name is Broom!
Yes. She was a damned good Prime Minister. She was the last decent Prime Minister. She was the last of a great era. We have been on the decline since then. Prime Ministers have been either weak like John Major or more interested in lining their pockets like Rishi Sunak, or looked to what being an MP could do to bolster their career. Look at Tony "Rat face" Blair. He saw Bush Jr as a great statesman and he wanted some of the action . Forget about what's best for Britain and her people it was what's best for Tony. They have all been the same. That's why I voted Reform UK 🇬🇧 they are the only party that stands up for Britain. Nigel Farage has always stood for Britain even in the face of the European Parliament glaring faces when they angrily shook their fists at him avlnd said he was wrong. ....they were proved wrong . We decided to take back control of Britain from the EU,only to be betrayed by the tories.
