What Happened To Ring Wing Planes? 

Hey mate. Great video once again 👍. Just out of curiosity though, I'm wondering if you went to the Avalon Airshow at the beginning of March haha, considering you're an Aussie too. Or don't you live Victoria? If you did though, how was it?

Hi Nic, have you consider doing video about Heinkel Lerche?

So I watch an ad, to watch a video, 1 minute in I get an embedded ad asking me to buy merch, 4 minutes in I get a RU-vid ad, the ad ends, and the video presents another embedded ad, this time for a beauty scam. Seriously, so trashy, this is more ads than TV!!!!! Unsubscribing, stop being a greedy pos.

Don't tell Gulf about it. Lol

yes boxwing video please

Yeah once you've got the basic idea of an airfoil and centers of lift and mass hammered out the rest is pretty flexible. Of course it's still a big leap from something flying and something flying _well._

Yup. The hard problem at the time wasn't so much wings as engines.

The problem was not wing design, the problem was an engine that was powerful enough while also being light enough

It was the engines that were the problem. We had airplane-like gliders in the civil war, and soldiers would use them to spy on the enemy. They had to be sent up like a kite and wouldn't stay airborne for long though

Especially home-built RC planes! I thought you needed a PhD in engineering and access to a wind tunnel to design a plane that stays in the air, but it turns out that even people with "I think I saw that somewhere" knowledge of an airfoil can glue some styrofoam together and make it fly.

Coital.

That would require an alternate aerodynamics and in that sense, physics

can imagine an alternative timeline where engineers deliberately make bad decisions over and over again.

@@JohnFrumFromAmericaThey already do.

@@JohnFrumFromAmerica Sound familiar 🤨

Actually the best paper airplane design is this: Build a regular paper airplane, then make another one, but stop right before you fold it in half. Then slot that piece onto the top of the first paper airplane, taping them together under the wings. The overall shape is the same, but now you have a wing that opens like a pocket from the back. This creates a really smooth and long range glider, and there's multiple reasons why it performs better. Firstly, air gets pushed in from the front, inflating the wing, creating an area of high pressure, generating lift, while at the same time, also getting even more pressure from the default wing, even though it all behaves as one wing. So it essentially multiplies the high pressure surface area, without increasing the low pressure surface area, which generates more lift. It also fly's very smooth and stable. In a way it's like a ring wing meshed with a traditional wing, giving you the benefits of both with none of the drawbacks.

I am afraid that he was a communist.

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Someone would need to add the whole cockpit though right? That would be cool though!

It’s a Russian called Tim

Or we can ride a train and crash into a wall up to you

​@@Dragon-Slay3r look again

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Like my engineering teacher used to say: _"With the right engine even a tram will fly"_

Actually I think it will have varied cross sections, so the low pressure zone will always be the “top” side of the wing generate lift. Still the sides are not doing anything…

​@@AaronShenghao is it viable to put rudders on that sections?

​@@AaronShenghao Well on the same side of the surface, what is top and bottom is really perspective. But it gets worse. There is just a infinitly shot bit of the wing that is vertical. Just next to it is parts that is have a horizontal component to them, hence generate lift. If they generate lift, they have a low pressure. So this put the low pressure of the lower wing just next to the high pressure of the upper wing. Guiding the pressure to collapse, and that is also true the other way around. So this is actually worse than if you had two semi circular wing and a gap between them

@@deptusmechanikus7362 yea... that would work, but it might have control issues

I guess it's standard (or a gimmick) on this channel that he always butchers the pronunciation... 😕

Seriously. How hard is it to look up the pronunciation of one of the most famous aviation pioneers before you butcher it?

@@matthewstephenson1664 I know, it's so annoying. It's like he has no interest in aviation and is just brought in to do the voice overs. About to give up watching this channel.

Bad pronunciation is inexcusable in the age of the internet.

I came here to say this I haven't even gotten to the second name yet. If somebody hasn't heard a lot of French names that might be harder to pronounce. Simon Whistler does the same thing he says he just doesn't care when he mispronounces a word here and there. It just makes me feel old but cultured to know how all of the words are pronounced...

well, how did you make them / fold them? why don't you make a video or two making those paper planes and post them on youtube?

@@loendsti *Actually from 1977 to 1983 MacDonalds offered a ring-wing plane for the "BOYS-TOY" in their happy meals. They gave away millions and was a favorite toy for collectors. The cheap stamped foam did not last long, sadly. The real trick was to put a bigger ring inside the main wing. This gave it 80% more structural strength and 68% more lift. Think of it as a Bi-Plane wing. When we did this mod those toys lasted a real LONG time.*

@@johnslugger oh, well, that's one way to get ppl into science. clever move.

@@loendsti *Heck with that, I'm going for the Nobel Prize!*

@@johnslugger good luck

U mean psychopathic?

@@toruscharge984 blame autocorrect

Have you ever heard of the X-plane program? 😂

​​​@mar joseph 23 If you know what happened, why don't you edit it? But besides the typo, do you actually know what "psychopathic" means? Because, I can't see how it would apply here.

​@@toruscharge984 ...and it still wouldn't make sense. What's "psychopathic" about designs as such?

I can easily see this design being potentially useful for like, low powered simplistic drones of some kind, not the loud whiny buzzy quadcopters but more like a serene, graceful device. Especially combined with a bladeless fan design this could be quite the smooth and safe rider. Much of our aircraft design comes from military roots, I always wonder what the state of technology would be like if WWI was averted and we kept that hopelessly optimistic, dieselpunk outlook on the future that people had in the early naughts

I made one too; using only a sheet of paper , it flew quite well

I'm pretty sure the world record paper plane, is incredibly basic and only has a couple folds. It looks cool, but it doesn't mean it's the best design.

I did, too! Way back in elementary school. Ours only needed a single sheet of paper.

@@NLynchOEcakeat that point why not make the ring wing an engine in itself? Doesn’t have to be complicated. It could work like one of those bladeless fans that are more expensive and act as “humidifiers.”

Your right

You have too so you can show the "engineers whom design this um plane the problem they going to encounter."

As I was watching, I too was trying to figure out how exactly the flaps are supposed to work. Like, even on working examples like that crop duster, it's more of a flat ellipse, where there's sufficient surface area to have working flaps, essentially like a biplane but it's two wings are connected with a curved wing section. This would have to have some kind of German space magic to even have a chance of having working flaps.

Please do

Why can’t you have fuel tanks in these wings?

Comment of the year right here ^^^

Hahaha

Heehee yX-D! 🏆🥇😉

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what? The Box-Wing design looks like the Romulan Warbird

@@rgerber Well then Jolan Tru to You too... I guess.

I was gifted a book around the same age called "Mars 2020". They probably could have added another decade or two to the title

And we never did all start wearing silver jumpsuits after the year 2000 either, or drive flying cars :) Looking at predictions of the future in the past is quite interesting, and it is often quite surprising how accurate they were.

I agree. I don’t think a circle is the best shape to use. It has too much vertical wing area that, as far as I can tell, does nothing but add to the parasitic drag.

The People that claim that this would be more energy-efficient, those People clearly have NO knowledge about how aviation works. Beside from CGI, this will never wortk, unless you have a different Plan to counter the Gravitational Effect on the "Plane". The Box-Wings and the Ellyptical Wings got more horizontal wingspan than Vertical and the Box-Version got that connection, to improve stability.

​@SoHBetaSword I mean, if you had the hand of god to throw it hard enough so the minimal lifting surfaces acted in overdrive... Though I don't know how feasible "god throws the plane" is as a business model

I thought it would be obvious to most people that the lack of horizontal wing surface would'nt get this thing off the ground.

@@jerseymetalmike5111 it offends my intuition to how planes work, which is "redirecting air particles downwards to cause an upwards force to act on the plane" which only works with horizontal surfaces, of which this plane lacks

Have you seen any around in the shops, they are so popular he sold out because there are more than guns in the USA , the answer to your wonder is I dont think he developed it as the alternate reality aforementioned would exist instead of the one we are in.

​@@davidrobertson5700 I just had a stroke reading that

​@@davidrobertson5700 wat.....

@@anthonylombardi4168 no

@@fennectempest1590 ok

Cool

This is where the fun begins 👌

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"it gets rid of the wingtip vortices." That's a fallacy. Wing tips are not the only place where induced drag is generated. Plus, a ring wing is basically a double decker. There's a reason we have stopped making these. the high pressure zone of the top wing connects directly to the low pressure zone of the lower one. This alone should make it clear that ring wings are not better regarding induced drag.

This is a dumb idea. How the hell can you see the view when the ring block the windows?

Yeah, this plane is cool, and the ring wing is unique. But the lift couldn't occur on the vertical part of the wings. Also, what speed would this plane fly at? Probably only 350 mph (550 km/h), as one could only imagine the structural strain of flying faster with sonic compression at higher Mach numbers. There is a reason why airplanes use a swept back wing design when going 500 mph (800 km/h). Hopefully my explanation is good. :)

@Wright Marshall - They do! I've made many of those - they're great!

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You really think I wouldn’t have to but then if your average intelligence that means 50% of people are dumber than you 😂

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No kidding I use a palm sander on my feet, only way to go! 🤗

My thought too.

London to Sydney in 60 milliseconds, I'm down!

I do my best

​@@FoundAndExplained if that's the only complaint, that speaks well of your work

Probably the CIA

They 911 it to Mount Doom

@@JohnJohn-yl4ko "The Two Towers"