Agreed on both comments. Amazing work and information by Dr Jeanson. However, the world doesn't want to hear how research or science of any kind can prove the Bible is true. That would force them to deal with their own consciences and sin. It's much easier to just ignore God and do as you please.
I don't think so. As I,ve commented above, when he tells if someone is descended from Ishmael, what he is doing is looking at people from that area, then looking for genetic markers for them, then deciding that is the marker for Ishmael, and then telling that person, 'Yes you're descended from Ishmael based on this marker.' But what he is REALLY doing is is telling them , 'Yes, you are descended from those around you from that same area, and I've decided that's from Ishmael." This is not some irrefutable science. I'm a creationist and I think he's a bit lost in the weeds.
I'll never forget when I took my world history class in college and the text said, "We probably evolved in Africa, below the Sahara Desert" and, "At some point, but the is much debated, humans, learned to speak to one another. They must have done because they were developing a richer culture that depended on communication." -James C. Davis. Essentially admitting everything appears to have originated from one location, but are shocked by language and writing development that seems to be instantaneous, which is in line with that time the Bible very clearly pinpoints. It's like God created us intellectually with language and the ability to articulate, or something... That is also out of line to evolutionists you claim multiple types of "men" or people sprung up all over the globe resulting in different races in geographic locations. I remember a good portion of the book was flabbergasted at how these people groups were able to get to the other continents across the huge masses of water. I just remember feeling so irritated I was forced to read this book with no clear evidence. It was all speculation. My older brother has a close friend who just graduated from Harvard studying microbiology gene therapy. He said the scientists collectively agree the genius of cells and DNA could not have evolved. It's scientifically impossible. But he told me they refuse to believe in God and will continue to support evolution.
I want to thank you for something that other videos do poorly. Thank you for each using headphones to talk to each other. The audio quality here is better than many other zoom videos out there.
One thing to keep in mind is that the earliest people lived hundreds of years and saw some of their descendant generations die off. Imagine being 300yr old and having a new kid while your first born son has grandchildren. That was the way it was in ancient days. With each new generation, the max age of people shortened.
Would it be possible for Dr Jeanson and AIG to set up their own lab for testing Y haplotypes? The companies are charging $50+ and many of us fear allowing others to have our DNA codes. AIG would be a trusted place to be tested and it would be nice if they charged like $30 or so. Just a suggestion. Maybe have a spot for visitors of the Ark Encounter to be tested.
The problem I see with that is it could be seen as conflict of interest. The integrity of the research is somewhat bolstered by using 3rd party, non-contracted DNA tests.
What we must remember with peer reviews; peer reviews are constructed by those who all (already) agree and likely are educated with the same information. That isn't bad, but it leaves nothing for improving scientific theory nor data. Innovators are collecting their own data based on questions/holes in the status quo. They are asking different questions. They are discovering NEW not regurgitating known, studied information. This is evident in the fact that we believe in a round earth now. But how many theories came between them and now? Peer reviewed was flat earth according to the most educated & prestigious minds for hundreds of years (the church & the entire scientific community). People dedicate their studies to the information of innovators, not the other way around. (Not that innovators aren't educated, they just go outside the current narrative) So we can not discount data, ideas, research, etc just because it isn't peer reviewed.
His science is totally off and the way he connects the haplogroups! I'm surprised he even managed to graduate from Harvard when he can't understand a basic Y haplogroup Phylogenetic tree. Rather pathetic.
@@safari4167 yep. That's a helpful comment. Eye roll. From one scientist to another, (if u even are) give some more info if u want me to hear something diff and take u seriously.
Its kind of like the argument they make for pan Gaia I've read so much over the years and the gymnastics it takes to extrapolate those dates and movements of the tectonic plates to pull the land masses around the way they describe so that Pan Gaia can create the modern world... how these giant seas like the Caspian were formed etc... but I have a position which causes me several hours a day on Google earth these last couple years and I must say... to me it looks like the waters simply drained out to create the terrain we see... no matter where on earth you look it looks to a Neanderthal like myself that can't understand the brilliance in these prestigious scientific fields.. (funded by royalty and the Vatican also so you know they are honest groups) ... like there was simply a flood.
About the ancient Roman where they came from n what happened to them discussed in this live stream I had trouble understanding what Dr Jeanson is trying to tell us about them who was the Roman people n what happened to them? Can someone pls give me a brief summary of your understanding of what Dr Jeanson is saying about the Romans here. Any help to help me understand this topic discussed by Dr Jeanson be very much appreciated. God bless.
The 23 and me test is useless. It aggregates your hereditary on results of modern populations in an area. You might be sub Saharan African, and score significant Nordic heritage, if your fellow country men are more likely to get tested in Nordic countries. Again, it does not show your actual heritage, which is a traditional majority people of a location, and changes over time back to ancient times. But, it is about tracking ancient movements to where they are in modern times, from the Ark and the Tower of Babel. This doesn't tell us much.
He’s counting back the differences and matching them. Obviously none of us are pro biologist like this guy. That’s why he wrote the book so more people can learn the science to an extent. If you wanna understand more. Get your study pants on. Reach out to him. He’s interested in people helping with the research in ways they can. If you wanna know more don’t stay ignorant or skeptic. Learn more! That’s the whole point. Totally getting the book and also going to the creation museum and the arch!!! Catch these guys live sometime and ask questions. Send an email! Many ways to learn more everyone. Get your learning on!
I hold a PhD in molecular biology, later converted by faith in Christ, and I have been praying for someone to do this exact study. Finally, Dr. Jeanson simply tested the Biblical timeline to see if it lines up with human genetic data. Of course its a perfect match, and the evolutionary theory does not match.
Just now purchased a Kindle book of Traced for a reasonable price of 499 INR. Just eager to read the book and know more about the amazing discoveries of the past. I hope this book will also let me know my 'Biblical roots', I being a South Indian, a Telugu man! I need some clarification regarding this matter: some existing trees are claimed to be 9500 years old. FYI, I believe in the truth of the Bible 200%.
Who were the Celts? What was there haplogroup? And is it related to R1b? Perhaps not? The celts were all ready in western Europe during the classical Greco-Roman periods were they not?
I am perplexed by the method used to determine what the source is for determining what the original DNA of each of Noah’s sons is?? In order to trace this all back to one of Noah’s sons someone has to have some way of determining what the DNA of each of those men was…??? How is that done? I feel like I am missing something that is glaringly distinct to someone, but, it is eluding me…???
Looking at these branches and rationale, I immediately think on a comment from the Planetarium presentation. When you look out into space from a certain position, certain things (we know are there) are not seen. If you are unaware, you're assumption is that nothing is there. However, once you move into the correct position, ALL is seen; constellations are visible, and 'make sense', etc. vs there being empty space or random/unrelated data. Isn't this true concerning most of God's creation. We must be in the correct position to understand, see, receive.
The more prosperous a society is the lower it birth rate is. The Romans only had two or three children per family. While the Germanic tribes had huge families. The Romans simply were replaced through population growth of their neighbors. The same pattern happens today. It tends to lead to a dark age.
My name is Samuel Horowitz. My grabdfatgers parents came from Yugoslavia right before the invasion. . I am interested in where we come from biblically. What do I do and who do I contact. I also heard a rumor that there were some people were very interested in finding the priestly tribe of the Jews??
How come you are not tracing the genetics of the Romans, who 90% died off, then the Italians came in, who are closely related to Jewish people, who might have come from Anatolia, after fleeing the Romans previously? The Hun, who were accepted by German tribes. How come you are avoiding the root race G on your map, where the most ancient blond haired, blue eyed caucasian graves are found (they have found them in their massive pyramid field in China). You have the later people you are concentrating on coming broadly from this area aswell. Why not lay out the ancient lineage time line?
Whoohoo! Beautiful show, amazing fact-based conclusion, awesome 2-part confirmation of human history resulting from the apparently arbitrary choice of a 6,000 year time domain. The results do not appear using the traditional billions of year scale, have other timescales been applied and with what kind of results?
That's what I had researched. Going through josephus, bible, and jubilees and the YAP, the people seem from the line of Japheth and not shem....also where are tye historical resources of what the bible says concerning the shemites and their dispersions...?
When he tells if someone is descended from Ishmael, what he is doing is looking at people from that area, then looking for genetic markers for them, then deciding that is the marker for Ishmael, and then telling that person, 'Yes you're descended from Ishmael based on this marker.' But what he is REALLY doing is is telling them , 'Yes, you are descended from those around you from that same area, and I've decided that's from Ishmael." This is not some irrefutable science. I'm a creationist and I think he's a bit lost in the weeds.
I also think the same thing, this is the only serious defect of these classes. If only he reconciled biblical characters with archeology, linguistics and genetics precisely, he would at least make plausible deductions
Very interesting information... I wish that I knew enough to be involved in it. The demographic shift in Western Europe might have been a survivor effect from the massive die off that happened in the 1300's when the bubonic plague swept through all of Europe. If my memory is correct, EVERYONE in Kilkenny died during that epidemic. Virtually all Welsh men cary an R1b haplogroup, and it seems far fetched that their ancestors are recent steppe immigrants - Wales being a fairly isolated part of the British Isles until recently. What has DNA test on ancient remains shown? Thanks for the interesting talk.
I highly doubt that haplogroup I brought Indo-European languages to Europe. Haplogroup I should be divided into I1 and I2. If you do so, you will see how drastically it changes the distribution of I1 throughout Europe. I1a and I2a1 are found almost backwords to each other. In regions where the other is dominant, the other one is almost non existant and vice-versa. Also I1a is often said to be related to Germanic language and culture. Although R1b is very dominant in those countries. Finland (Uralic/Finno-Ugric speakers), a country east of Scandinavia has the highest percentage of I1a after scandinavian countries and its the only one with such huge percentage where Germanic/indo-european language did not take root. According to secular science the age or I1 in Finland is at least 2000 years old. So it did not come to Finland from Indo-European speaking Sweden for example. In secular science I1 is considered to be the only surviving y-dna haplogroup from ice-age in Europe. From female mtdna one such from ice age is for example U5. Because I1 is considered to be the only existing original y-haplogroup in Europe, it's not considered to be indo-european originally. They spoke non-indoeuropean more likely. That massive wave of R1b might have brought the Indo-European languages or at least made them the majority onwards. In western Europe paternal haplogroup G may have been popular in Western-Europe before R1b people came. Today Haplogroup G is almost non-existant in Western-Europe. If i'm not wrong the first Kings in England were haplogroup G. After that only R1b pretty much. Something drastic happened in the British isles as well.
I'm R1B, a P-312. My ancient DNA matches are Celts and Franks, almost exclusively. This makes sense in light of the fact that my Y-DNA/paternal ancestry comes from near the city of Worms in present day Germany. All that being said, I cannot see how I'm supposed to be a descendant of Joktan's arab progeny due to both my ancient DNA matches and my confirmed Schaus family genealogy back to the fifteenth century.
Have you noticed the migration path followed in the wake of The Black Death? Rome was rocked by plagues in spite of their efforts to create sewage systems by both malaria and bubonic plagues. It was certainly as devastating as Small Pox was to natives. By the time the Vandals sacked Rome the population was reduced by civil war and an exodus to Byzantium.
As a layperson, I’m wondering how DNA can pinpoint regions in the world and the migrations of peoples through time. Please have a video where this process is explained. Thank you for sharing these amazing discoveries! And thanks in advance for obliging my confused thoughts. God bless!
There are haplogroups in genetic research. These groups show the population of male or female (in this case, male) genetic relatives that were concentrated in a specific geographical region. Combined with written historical accounts and affirmed with layers of archaeologically supported timelines, scientists have been able to pinpoint where the groups have come from up to a certain point. It’s like connecting some very spread out dots of similarities around the world to trace out where they’ve been over the years when their ancestors were settling together (over thousands of years, that could be a LOT of places, and that’s where the other two aspects come in to help finish the puzzle).
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Yes I can see that Kush might have a divine origin, but are you sure that intelligent design is not just a way of selling the bible story to those without faith? That's what it seems to me. And also, when I said 'sublime', I think I meant 'subhuman', as the confessing nazis used to say: Gott mit uns, they added on their beltbuckles
According to Jewish tradition, the ancient Assyrians are today the modern Kurdish peoples that formerly lived in northern Iraq (around Mosul). As for the Haplogroup R1a and R1b and R2 being from Shem's line because it was found in Central Asia, this is still not a convincing argument, since the early Persians were also in Central Asia, but they, according to Genesis 10, are descended from Japheth.
@@jacquepeach3112 23 and me won’t answer my email if they do the Y chromosome like he says to make sure they do. I’ll find someone else to get it done.
@@charlesdavis9937 I'd reckon if the man himself is recommending 23&me that they do test y. Being 4 weeks after your comment I'm wondering if you got an answer.
You can message them on the Answers in Genesis website for the most up to date test they recommend. Last I saw, it was 23 and Me. However, their Y testing is for males. Not females. So only men can get tested. Your brother, father, or grandfather.
Tower of Babel, yes bearing in mind there were a lot of ziggurats in Chaldea. Not so the Ark as, it landed on the mountains of Ararat (no specific spot).
No it's not possible and idk how he's plotting DNA from 400 a.d. to any geographic location where it's not already abundant at today. Idk how he has a base line to understand where DNA literally started before it moved into another area. I think he's using historical events and reportings combined with the flow of the DNA but it still has to be a guess. Unless they unearthed mummies from most of.these locations. Knew the date from which they were buried. Extracted DNA. That's the only way possible
Some people claim that the ark has been found from Mount Ararat. Check videos from youtube. There is formation that looks like a ship. There are interesting claims that make it sound feasible. "The REAL Noah's Ark FOUND by Archaeologist Ron Wyatt! - Short Documentary"
@@plainsman I haven't looked into those things very much. Just quick looks. Claims like those can always be more or less suspicious. You're probably right. What about Shroud of Turin? I've heard that one could actually have some credibility in theory. Debatable but uncertain scientifically. Age of the shroud matched pretty much at least if i remember correctly.
I think the young earth timeline is best suited to explain the origin of Europeans seeing historically and genetically they have only been on the planet from 6000 on
I believe in dna science but is crazy that a solo person can figure all this out to an extent of even saying that he can trace all the way to Abraham ,I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of truth in what he says but there’s probably also a lot mistakes in the calculations that he used for example Isaac could have been r1b why not be a descendent of him instead of Jaktan !!!
Because these haplogroups are subdivided further and further the more children have their own descendants. R1a goes on to become R1a1, R1a2, R1a3, then further down just under R1a1 alone is R1a1a, R1a1b, R1a1c, and so on for the rest of them, adding a number or letter with every generation. And then it branches depending on where they settled which complicates the naming of the branches and sub branches, and on and on. It’s gets very intricate very quickly.
@@melindamercier6811 yes agree but the haplogroups you find that rule in Egypt and is not native to Egypt is R1b1a, Joseph rule Egypt and from there on all this asiatic kings start popping up ,, thanks for the comment 👍
Got it. So the Y chromosome is passed down from father to son, from father to son, etc. So when did the Noah’s Y chromosome get changed. Seems the father to son, father to son…must mutate over time.
This proves that the Macedonians are Genetically Macedonian who belong to the Macedonian Mesolitic Proto-European I haplogroup DNA but the Greeks are Genetically Turks who belong to the Turkic J2 haplogroup Y-chromosome DNA.
@@floridaman318 The Macedonians are not related to greeks. The Ancient greeks who are extinct wrote that and also wrote that they are not from Europe.
I wish before you got into all these claims (like Ken Ham being not a Japethite) and all your other claims, you would make an elementary video on how Genetics can inform us. Remember, youve got to give the greater context and put the jelly on the bottom shelf & not give us R1b3 blah blah blah.
The time period the Dr is pointing out in Western Europe (1450's to 1520's) was a time if heavy fighting. The Hundred Years War and the Wars of the Roses along with various rebellions and armies marching. Other than in Roman times, this is the time period where Wars switched from being skirmishes between a couple of handfuls of soldiers in Medieval times to vast armies. And I'm sure the powers that be were hungry for vast numbers of troops. Especially France may not have looked very closely at where these troops came from. Since this is the male line, there is no assurance that they brought many women with them. The men could have quickly scattered around into various armies since they had no allegiances to anyone in particular. If a male showed up in England and joined the army and said they came from France, the English aristocracy probably looked the other way. They also claimed to come from France. This could explain the "Last Man Standing" status of their DNA in Europe even though it's not actually the majority of European genes (if you looked at all lineages).
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy This guy's info is only a THEORY, just like every other scientist. There are several problems with genetic theories at this time. The "Y" chromosome tests show only a fraction of human genetic inheritance. And every people in practically every place is a blend of warring peoples. What is "Roman" DNA? To answer that question you have to ask "what was Rome"? Ancient Italy was not populated by one solid genetic block. In fact, when you test "Tuscans" you could debate if you are testing "Romans" at all. Who is descended from the Etruscan people who apparently spoke a language akin to Hittite? Were their lines wiped out or are there Tuscans today that descend from them? And who were the people from those 7 villages that became the city of Rome? There is no evidence that they were Etruscan...or much evidence of who they were at all. Does anyone in Italy today descend from these unknown people? How would anyone even know? I'm not terribly impressed by the quality of genetic science today even if it is better than the nothing we had before. It' reliability could still improved a great deal. Until then, we have more questions than answers. You are welcome to advance your theory as to what lines are from where. But it's still just a theory like everything else.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Well, I will wait for actual evidence of all this. Because like I said, the tests are only run based on where people CURRENTLY live (which may be relatively recent migrations), and the Y chromosome (of the small number of people who have actually had their Y chromosome tested) only shows the "most victorious hero" so to speak. AND the whole process is very...shall we say...haphazard in reliability. So I'm not going to jump on a chromosome bandwagon that isn't backed up by good archeology, linguistic and other evidence. Our understanding has a long ways to go. I am actually more concerned with the push for genetics allowing psychopaths to create targeted bioweapons than I am concerned about who descended from what Romans in ancient history.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy "Historical records and dna prove that despite mixing and migrations, the majority native populations stayed just were they were in ancient times". That's not what the archeology I've seen says. Much of "historical record" is tainted or even falsified, so that's not the kind of evidence I'm referring to. I see more question marks as to what people were there in ancient history than I do solid answers. Putting the "table of nations" wherever you want it to be isn't relevant. It needs to be the other way around. In fact, the tendency of historians to read what they want into archeology is ancient and rampant (although an understandable human foible). Just as one random example, if you believe that the Bretons were Celtic, I don't. And I have a lot of evidence of that. In my view, the jury is still a long ways off as we strip away assumptions in historical events and try to find the truth. And ya, I don't buy that the Etruscans "came from" the Celts. Of course they had a common ancestor...Noah. Who else do they have in common? Jury's still out.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy I repeat, if you start with the table of nations, I'm not going to believe a word you have to say. That type of "evidence" is based on your prejudice and assumptions. You have to start with all of the puzzle pieces we have today (and allow for some we don't have) and work backwards. Many ancient sources are also falsified because this tendency didn't start with modern man. So those have to be corrected with other methods. And if you're going to beat that drum, the Bible itself says that people didn't "stay just where they were" in ancient times. So the jury's still out, but I'm not too sure you're even on the jury.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Archeology shows that the Anglo-Saxons did NOT conquer the Bretons. The Anglo- Saxon women in rural Anglo-Saxon England were the slaves. This is proved by a lot more than DNA. Metal tests based on profiles in Europe showed the slave women were the ones not born in England but closer to what is now the Netherlands. Some Anglo-Saxon men may have become warriors for ruling English houses, and people like Alfred the Great wanted to create a great legend using their admiration for Anglo-Saxon art and techniques. They did the same thing for the Romans. It's a habit the "English" had that is even evidenced in the English language. But if you want to be non-scientific about it, I don't care. I just am not interested in your theories. As for how many people happen to agree with you, that's of even less import. The truth doesn't care how many people believe it or don't believe it. It remains the truth regardless.
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy While I agree with you that the Out of Africa theory is wrong, your essay is wasted on me because my comment was purely sarcastic. The narrative said the word like narr-tiv and I was making light of it. Good luck though!
Hi analysis is too broadly focused to make any specific findings. Western Europeans Come from the goths and barbarian tribes not the Roman’s . This author reappropriates Greek and Roman history to support an old European racial colonial model of white superiority . Northern Europeans Barbarians were nemesis to Roman’s
DNA testing can't be that accurate. Sure it can tell if a person is of European descent but to be specific is crazy considering the migration patterns that happened and the different wars that occurred
He’s not just using the test, he’s also using historical migration information. Dudes a smart guy. He’s using multiple types of info to back his calculations. His book will explain some of this. That’s why he wrote it. To show his findings and explain it to people willing to learn. I gotta read the book and learn what it has to say. Don’t stay skeptical, just get learning!
It depends on the DNA testing done. He's using Y chromosome testing, which specifically only traces from a son to his father, then grandfather, g-grandfather, etc back through the male line ONLY. This is not your average 23 and Me test. If you aren't willing to read his book, then at least watch the several hours of video he's posted explaining the uncovered history.
You are still trying to prove god created us. Amazing! So that's it....us and nothing more, right? No other inteligent beings out there.....just us. I do believe YOU believe this!!!!!!!
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