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The Oakland Athletics became famous in world sport for “Moneyball” - a way to win championships without the financial clout of the big teams.
Moneyball became replicated in all sorts of sports and became a path to success. But this is a story of how Moneyball destroyed the Oakland Athletics.
Mike Smeltz explains. Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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@SKMCTV
@SKMCTV Месяц назад
The worst thing Billy Beane did was advertise their strategy. Give a team with the resources of the Yankees and Dodgers an analytical front office and Oakland loses their advantage.
@josuebarboza9809
@josuebarboza9809 Месяц назад
Lol you can't keep that stuff secret lmao
@Acquirebread
@Acquirebread Месяц назад
Other teams already knew sabermetrics long before the A’s success. It wasn’t even a secret
@ztirf03
@ztirf03 Месяц назад
They picked up cheap players, how can that not raise a few eyebrows and do some digging.
@black_n_brown
@black_n_brown Месяц назад
It doesn’t make a difference, an employee will get a job at another team n spill the beans
@bayjrid0110
@bayjrid0110 Месяц назад
​@@Acquirebreadstrategy is a movint target. Cannot dwelp on a single strategy forever
@DarthSmirnoff
@DarthSmirnoff Месяц назад
"To be fair to Fisher..." Let me stop you right there.
@mohamedkoblawi4175
@mohamedkoblawi4175 Месяц назад
Lol lost me there. Fisher is a PoD
@pfree9016
@pfree9016 Месяц назад
👏👏👏👏👏👏
@d.b.cooper1
@d.b.cooper1 Месяц назад
I will never get over how you yanks have normalised the use of taxpayer funds to build swanky new stadiums for billionaires, who own highly profitable franchises. Bonkers, nvm the idea of moving a club to another city.
@Ese96Agoaye
@Ese96Agoaye Месяц назад
Do you recall the reaction to Anthony Precourt talking up relocating Columbus Crew to Austin?
@bipolarminddroppings
@bipolarminddroppings Месяц назад
in other countries they do similar things, if not directly funding them then by giving tax breaks. Tottenham got a huge tax break to help fund building our new stadium because it was going to employ thousands of construction workers and bring in millions more revenue for the area every year. Those stadiums employ local people, bring in money to the local economy etc. Quite often the revenue generated for the city by having the stadium far outstrips the money they put in to build it.
@de132
@de132 Месяц назад
Thankfully we seem to be near the end of this "era". Stadiums built in the last 30 years largely have been built on the promise of "urban redevelopment" which has not beared fruit. Several stadiums and arenas built or redeveloped in the last 5 or so years like Inglewood, CA's Intuit Dome or Seattle, WA's Climate Pledge Arena, have been done without taking money from taxpayers for the cost of construction, and owners who request taxpayer funds are hitting more obstacles now than they did ten years ago like the Hunt family in Kansas City, MO. Unfortunately, tax funds have been replaced with tax breaks and benefits for these newer stadiums like the aforementioned Intuit Dome. As for the A's, there is no guarantee that John Fisher's move will work out for the Athletics. The Las Vegas project hasn't struck ground yet, they plan on playing a few years in Sacramento instead of Oakland or Las Vegas, and MLB is beginning to question the viability of Fisher moving the Athletics to Las Vegas. It's been a bizarre situation to say the least that is nowhere near resolved.
@georgehenan853
@georgehenan853 Месяц назад
This isn’t a “yank” thing. And stop acting surprised just as an excuse to say something condescending
@georgehenan853
@georgehenan853 Месяц назад
Get over it. Professional sports is a business, it’s always been about money. It’s not like college sports.
@AlejandroRamos-hw1eh
@AlejandroRamos-hw1eh 28 дней назад
Thats what I hate about US Sports. How can you just move your city's team from one place to another like its nothing??? It's everyone's hometown team. My city has two football teams, every time they face each other the city just stops to watch the game. Imagine if they move one of the teams to somewhere else, would be unethical and really stupid
@hazzanfl9814
@hazzanfl9814 25 дней назад
You can do it in the UK as well you just get alot more backlash, MK Don's are a prime example
@HerrCron
@HerrCron 22 дня назад
@@hazzanfl9814 There's also a reason why MK Dons are the *only* example.
@bonsai4658
@bonsai4658 18 дней назад
American sports are franchises its more like the league owns the players and all forms of revenue while the team just there for fans to get invested. Its also way more commercially tied than football that has very historical values going back hundreds of years. It's not like people don't root for their hometown team but the culture of american sports is completely different than outside the USA
@sominboy2757
@sominboy2757 Месяц назад
2012 was a shock to the entire baseball world. They were so fun to watch. Tons of character and all the confidence in the world
@JustKandyMan1
@JustKandyMan1 Месяц назад
Billionaires and begging for public money such an inconic pairing! Can't imagine the pain of seeing a team just uproot and leave after decades of support.
@georgehenan853
@georgehenan853 Месяц назад
It’s Oakland who cares
@KCBearcat
@KCBearcat Месяц назад
It's not the first time they've left a city. Vegas will be the FOURTH city the A's will have called "home", after starting in Philadelphia, before moving to Kansas City, then Oakland.
@Grimmes12
@Grimmes12 Месяц назад
Thanks for covering this, despite being a lifelong diehard Yankee fan I am still fascinated with the movie and is one of my favorite movies of all time.
@johnl.7754
@johnl.7754 Месяц назад
The 2nd follow-up movie is called “Blackmail Ball”
@C-Thunder
@C-Thunder Месяц назад
I'm not even an A's fan (Giants fan here), I'm absolutely outraged about this. Fisher cheap self needs to sell the team. It is just horrible how the A's have nothing but bad luck with team owners.
@t.k.1319
@t.k.1319 Месяц назад
Billy Beane is now a minority owner of the As. Fenway Sports Group, which owns the Boston Red Sox, has won the World Series using Money Ball tactics. They also own Liverpool Football Club, and have won the Champions league & Premier League with these tactics.
@4071816
@4071816 Месяц назад
This highlights what is wrong about sports in USA...
@feliyanus
@feliyanus Месяц назад
so tell us more what is wrong about sport in USA?
@AlexValorant
@AlexValorant Месяц назад
no more like whats wrong with SMALL market teams with stingy ownership
@DaveSP196
@DaveSP196 Месяц назад
​@@feliyanusif relegation is existed in the US, which it should, instead of the greed we see present, there would be far more competition.
@Ese96Agoaye
@Ese96Agoaye Месяц назад
​@@DaveSP196US doesn't have to do things like Europe. Pro/Rel isn't the answer.
@shalevboneh5552
@shalevboneh5552 Месяц назад
​@@DaveSP196the utter stupidity comparing regional leagues (prem la liga etc) to a national league which requires teams to fly to another side of a continent. Think about this logically and you'll see why relegation is not a thing in us sports
@spadeplaladin5
@spadeplaladin5 Месяц назад
All my homies hate John Fisher
@freeguy3751
@freeguy3751 Месяц назад
Umm You're missing a vital update...What happened to Billy Beane?? Would have liked an update on what he's been up to since Moneyball
@ababilashari9970
@ababilashari9970 Месяц назад
He's...still w the A's
@eduardopedroza5336
@eduardopedroza5336 11 дней назад
He died days ago.
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 2 дня назад
@@eduardopedroza5336 That was Billy Bean, different guy.
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 2 дня назад
Probably should have taken that job with Boston
@themustardthe
@themustardthe Месяц назад
Put an apostrophe in the title, it looks a little awkward
@paulibaer_206
@paulibaer_206 Месяц назад
Can anyone explain, why building a stadium for a private owned sports team is a public funding issue? In Europe this is a problem of the private company, subsidies for these kind of buildings are usually deemed illegal by EU law. Only with many exceptions public funding is done and then it is only a few per cent of the stadium. FC Valencia has to rightfully shoulder the building of the Nou Mestalla on its own, depending on the source these are a couple of hundred million Euros.
@craigbuckland6584
@craigbuckland6584 Месяц назад
Capitalism for the many socialism for the few
@bonsai4658
@bonsai4658 18 дней назад
US sports are franchises, meaning that its more like the league owns all forms of revenue and dictates what teams can and can not do way stricter than any non US sport. When it comes to stadiums There's always issues with owners and cities, either because of legalities, city refusing to cave to demands of the owners when it comes to building a stadium. Im not sure on this case but I believe its more acceptable for teams to not "own", as in its specifically only for this sport and team ,stadiums in US sports than in non US sports. After all they can just move their team to another city and have a better deal with them. There's been a lot of teams that do this.
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 2 дня назад
Subsidizing the rich is the national religion in the United States
@jono_jpg
@jono_jpg Месяц назад
I hate this. Where tf is Joe Devine?
@mitch8072
@mitch8072 Месяц назад
different channel this is the US version
@jono_jpg
@jono_jpg Месяц назад
@@mitch8072 You are correct sir, I still hate it.
@MacrobianNomad
@MacrobianNomad Месяц назад
The fact USian sport teams can just uproot to anywhere the owner feels like never made sense to me.
@AvrilAlvarez
@AvrilAlvarez Месяц назад
Lmaoo. Love that word USian. I'm gonna start using that instead of american
@de132
@de132 Месяц назад
USian is never going to be a thing and is reactionary. Also, if the reason to say USian is that the continent is called "America", then "USian" also doesn't work given there's two countries in North America that have the words "United" and "States" (United States of America, United Mexican States). There is a basic understanding of colloquial Demonyms. In the Anglosphere, the continent is the Americas (or North America, South America) and the United States of America's demonym is American. However, in other spheres such as the Spanish speaking world, the continent is América and people from the United States are estadounidense
@georgehenan853
@georgehenan853 Месяц назад
Stop acting surprised as an excuse to be condescending
@HerrCron
@HerrCron 22 дня назад
@@AvrilAlvarez The correct word is "yank"
@thomashall7484
@thomashall7484 Месяц назад
Just finished the book so perfect timing lol
@BlueWoWTaylan
@BlueWoWTaylan Месяц назад
This kinda shows everything wrong with American sports really. Begging for Taxpayers and public to fund ridiculous stadiums for BILLIONAIRES, packing the team up and leaving...and so on.
@Tamalan
@Tamalan Месяц назад
Moneyball is a horror movie for any true Oakland fan. It starts with them losing in the playoffs, shows the team getting gutted, ends with them losing in the playoffs, and is based on the greed of the owner who has been trying to tank the team for 20 years so he can profit.
@TonySpike
@TonySpike Месяц назад
So, what you are telling me is Oakland has technically (i say that because i think the Raiders moved to LA first) lost both its NFL team and its MLB team to Las Vegas ....wow
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 2 дня назад
Raiders moved to LA in the 80s, moved back to Oakland in the 90s, and wanted to move back to LA a few years ago but the Chargers had first dibs at the market for whatever reason I forget, so the Chargers got to go to LA instead (the Rams were always going to be the second team since they were the ones mostly financing the stadium).
@michaelfarrow5817
@michaelfarrow5817 Месяц назад
Oakland's sport legacy has been destroyed by nepobabies.
@robmclean4352
@robmclean4352 17 дней назад
Q: What has happened to the A's since Moneyball? A: Nothing good.
@CezrDaPleazr
@CezrDaPleazr Месяц назад
This was great, thank you
@thestarlightalchemist7333
@thestarlightalchemist7333 Месяц назад
Funny personal story about Moneyball: my Dad and I watched the movie earlier this year, and when it came to "the streak", Dad paused the movie and said "this is where the [Edmonton] Oilers are right now". At the time, the Oilers, our home team, were only at win 8 or 9 in a row, but they would go on to win 16 straight, tying a Canadian team record, and also going on to come 2nd in the NHL playoffs after an unfortunate game 7 collapse. The fact that all this happened after Dad and I watched Moneyball is kinda insane. Almost scary.
@laduptamang3207
@laduptamang3207 29 дней назад
Love from Liam Nepal
@AaronReddin
@AaronReddin Месяц назад
Your content has been great so far. Please make a video about professional road cycling.
@Dere2727
@Dere2727 День назад
They didn’t get on base
@MrLeyr
@MrLeyr Месяц назад
No, I actually won't be fair to a billionaire blackmailing a city into funding his investment.
@VelvetRiot-hz5mp
@VelvetRiot-hz5mp Месяц назад
They are moving from Oakland to Las Vegas. Usually that means lousy ticket sales and no future in the current location. For mine, I would have relocated the team to New Jersey around Newark somewhere. License to print money there.
@kevnev342
@kevnev342 Месяц назад
Oakland seems like a doomed place. All its franchises have left and the city is in a state of degredation
@Diaz.91
@Diaz.91 Месяц назад
Newark is the Oakland of the East
@kiertangaming7610
@kiertangaming7610 19 дней назад
Is it common for American teams to just pack up and move cities, in europe this would be insane, closest thing to happen is FC Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes which is about an hour and a half away and there was riots and protests
@Diaz.91
@Diaz.91 19 дней назад
@@kiertangaming7610 very common unfortunately. Team owners will often use relocation as leverage to force their city to use tax payers money to fund a new stadium
@homerthompson416
@homerthompson416 2 дня назад
Traffic's not a nightmare out there? Thought that was the reason the Nets had such horrible attendance at The Meadowlands and moved to Brooklyn.
@mjribes
@mjribes 12 дней назад
The As and the Raiders both moving to Las Vegas? Sucks to be a sports fan in Oakland.
@shaw5240
@shaw5240 Месяц назад
Beautiful movie
@deejlynzle1287
@deejlynzle1287 16 дней назад
Moving a team to another city is disgusting behaviour.
@Ese96Agoaye
@Ese96Agoaye Месяц назад
The Raiders of the NFL made the same move less than a decade ago. How've they been getting on?
@felixlueggerto
@felixlueggerto Месяц назад
Made the Playoffs in 2021. Then did the mistake of hiring Josh McDaniells as Head Coach
@Ese96Agoaye
@Ese96Agoaye Месяц назад
@@felixlueggerto Does Daniel Carlson still play for them? The first time I heard of him was during his short time with Vikings.
@felixlueggerto
@felixlueggerto Месяц назад
@@Ese96Agoaye Yes
@de132
@de132 Месяц назад
So far for the Raiders, it's been "okay". It's questionable how much the stadium has benefitted the team, and will need to be determined over years. Mark Davis, who owns the Raiders, is one of the least rich owners in the NFL and there was a lingering question of whether he could actually get a stadium built anywhere (Oakland, Vegas or otherwise). However, for the city of Las Vegas, it's mainly worked out. The Clark County Commission owns the stadium and collects funds and parking for most events that happen at Allegiant Stadium including various concerts, college football games, the 2024 Copa América, Super Bowl LVIII, CONCACAF matches, and professional wrestling events at the stadium. And this is the first venue in Clark County that the Commission owns (consider how much money T-Mobile Arena, for example, makes for AEG, Bill Foley and MGM. Although MGM does give the County some money for other projects. The business culture in Vegas is actually really odd, and a RU-vidr called Neo made a good video about it) In addition, NFL teams play fewer games at home (7-13 home games depending on playoffs, int'l games, etc) compared to MLB teams (79-103 home games depending on playoffs, int'l games, etc). And the Raiders have a secured fanbase in both Northern and Southern California willing to make a trip for a Sunday game as opposed to the Athletics, who will lose their Northern California fans if they move. It's a much easier commitment for an LA or Oakland fan to follow the Raiders. The other sports teams in Las Vegas (Golden Knights, NHL; Aces, WNBA; Lights, USL; etc) have local fanbases willing to support those teams, and because Las Vegas is a relatively small market (2.26m people), there's a concern regarding if this market can support all Four Major Pro Sports leagues in addition to other leagues. And adding an owner like John Fisher, who is not committed to supporting a successful team on the field, probably spells disaster (look at how he's handled his other sports team, MLS's San Jose Earthquakes).
@mountainadventures7346
@mountainadventures7346 8 дней назад
Funny enough? The Oakland Raiders were well known for winning with a bunch of misfits.
@petercasserly2348
@petercasserly2348 20 дней назад
As much as I love the movie, it’s incredibly inaccurate about how that season actually went for Oakland. Being an A’s fan is truely tough. We have amazing history as a franchise im pretty sure we have the second most World Series behind the yankees. Some of baseballs best players were A’s, Ricky Henderson, Mark Maguire, Reggie Jackson and Jose canseco also if Aaron judge didn’t go to college he was drafted first by the A’s 😂😂😂
@klashnekov86
@klashnekov86 Месяц назад
Why does every franchise leave Oakland. Golden State, Raiders and now the A’s have all left, feel sorry for the city because those are some of the best die hard fans you will ever see
@HC-kn2sq
@HC-kn2sq 21 день назад
Mad to me that in American sport it is normal to move a team. All those fans from decades can no longer see their team
@thexumaker
@thexumaker Месяц назад
What kind of garbage is this. Thank you for rightfully shitting on Fisher but are you gonna ignore the decade of success we had in the Coliseum. Playoffs in 12,13,14,18,19, and 20.
@andrewt4699
@andrewt4699 Месяц назад
I don’t get y if they already have a temporary arrangement in Sacramento they don’t just do major renovations or build over the original stadium, surely that saves money compared to a new stadium and doesn’t relocate the fan base and team??
@ivannevarez8478
@ivannevarez8478 27 дней назад
They are moving to Sacramento because if they leave Northern California they lose about 60-70 million dollars with their regional broadcast company. They also lose fund sharing from MLB. They want the City of Oakland to pay for them to stay. Even though Fisher owns 50% of the coliseum site. Sacramento gave them a great deal I think only have to pay a million bucks a year for rent. The A’s have lost a great deal of fans when they put the tarps up on the third deck in 2006. Then the Giants won the World Series in 2010,2012, and, 2014. Many local kids saw how cheap the A’s were and decided to root for the Giants. But we told him to go for the A’s. We didn’t know they would leave. It doesn’t matter now he is a gamer and doesn’t watch sports at all.
@RyanNamor
@RyanNamor 23 дня назад
I understand nothing about Baseball but this Sounds horrible. And is it normal in America that a Sportsteam doesnt Play in their Home City, even if they have it their Name?
@AzNeo
@AzNeo 17 дней назад
Good example would be the San Francisco 49ers as their home stadium, Levi stadium, is about 50 miles south in Santa Clara.
@renandmrtns
@renandmrtns 7 дней назад
The As are going to go bankrupt. The LA stadium will never be built.
@andrewgelsinger8177
@andrewgelsinger8177 Месяц назад
their strategy has been outdated for like twenty years lol, baseball analytics have moved way beyond OBP and undervaluing guys from arm slots. Just saying Fisher isn't why they've been bad the last few years. Don't get me wrong, he sucks, but they've been valuing the wrong archetypes of players for a little while now.
@mattdc02
@mattdc02 Месяц назад
John Fisher happened
@HolyPire
@HolyPire 4 часа назад
He is a billionär... he does not need public funding....
@JonathanCoyne-rp7xg
@JonathanCoyne-rp7xg Месяц назад
Oakland doesn’t pay for stadiums the raiders
@felixlpilon
@felixlpilon Месяц назад
The A's are just the California Expos
@joaoc2178
@joaoc2178 Месяц назад
There will never be commitment from communities and public funds where you can move the team anywhere. Unlike in US, soccer teams in Europe are a neighbourhood/city passion, it's part of the identity and that is above the $. Things end up being profitable but most important passionate. That is why United is struggling, thr owners do not understand that
@DavidLimofLimReport
@DavidLimofLimReport Месяц назад
Michael Lewis was wring all along
@csanadhorvath
@csanadhorvath Месяц назад
🤢🤢🤮🤮 everything wrong with american sports 1) move a team away from its long time fans in its original city 2) billionaire owner using taxpayer money to fund a new stadium, instead of their own
@jonathaneasow8476
@jonathaneasow8476 Месяц назад
According to the Brits in the comments, the best solution here would be relegation. Yeah that makes sense, take the team that’s already strapped for cash and make them even less marketable😂
@sawyertuide7636
@sawyertuide7636 Месяц назад
MLB’s version of AFC Wimbledon
@hollewday7322
@hollewday7322 Месяц назад
WHERE IS JOE
@TheStaticJedi
@TheStaticJedi 26 дней назад
It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if the A’s cease to exist as a team in the MLB in a couple years at this rate
@facomori3110
@facomori3110 Месяц назад
Billy Beane is a villain
@SirGwl
@SirGwl Месяц назад
Does "first" still man anything???
@bharatavarsha17000
@bharatavarsha17000 Месяц назад
Second means something 😂😂😂
@SirGwl
@SirGwl Месяц назад
Well played. 😂
@Hyde_Hill
@Hyde_Hill Месяц назад
Never did.
@scottblanco5991
@scottblanco5991 Месяц назад
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