What happened to the British aircraft industry? 

If they had listened to Frank Whittle, we could have had jet fighters at the beginning of the war instead of at the end.

w0mbatina Why imagine it when it’s actual history?

@@jonathanj.7344 We could've had functional missiles and supersonic fighters before the Germans even had retractable gears.

..or the Battle of the Atlantic where long range patrol/bomber aircraft were essential in tracking U-boats. Some historians have suggested that government leaders were products of a "public" education system that had much to do with these types of decisions. Emphasis on learning Latin and Greek, plus classic literature; and very anti what is now called "STEM" (Science/Tech/Engineering/Math). Thus oftentimes these guys literally had zero clue about what they were being asked to decide.

@@jonathanj.7344 Never heard of Frank Whittle. Will have to check it out.

Carl Richards it’s about to get worse!

They've done well with the arms dealing

@@lukefreeman828 especially liberals

No offence to any or all involved but, I personally, much prefer having inept and "boring" politicians than the sycophantic prostitutes in the republican party and the rank criminality and corruption of the president and all who support him. "Boring" or "Crime family"? not much of a choice really.

in Italy we have far worse politicians. You are very lucky from my point of view :-(

What happened to the British aircraft industry? The same thing that happened to the British automotive industry, the British shipbuilding industry and British Railways. Amalgamation, Nationalisation, Cuts, Privatisation and Asset-Stripping. British Industry led the world in technology and innovation, but was let down by incompetent government.

@@SteamboatWilley the Brits do get shafted by their leaders time and time again.

That was the deal the British took twice: give up Britain's global position to the US to stop the Germans from becoming a regional power in Europe. Only Britain had the capability of resisting the US from becoming the global hegemon. Neither Germany nor the Soviets later ever had a chance, they simply lacked the Navy to even question American dominance of the seas. The Americans did develop a plan in the 1920-1930s called War Plan Red for the coming confrontation with Britain where they could only hope for a stalemate because of the Royal Navy. The Germans then accomplished for them what they could not: the destruction of Britain to the level where it was easy to overtake. This was a choice for Britain, both in 1914 and 1939. In 1914, had they not entered the war they could have become either rich by supplying both Germany and the Allies and/or acquire some more colonies for this supply from both sides. It was not in the interest of the British to get directly involved in that war and have a generation massacred to defend their historical enemies, the French. Without British intervention the war would have not lasted 4 years but the Germans would have still lost a lot of men and have been severely weakened, and Britain's greatest rivals, France and Russia would have been cut back. In 1939 had Britain not entered the war, the Germans might have not turned westward towards France but started their Eastern campaign sooner. It would have been a prolonged disaster even without Britain, but again, a chance to supply and get rich while the potential rivals kill each other. America would have found it very hard to overtake an intact and newly enriched Britain.

Andras Libal well if its JUST. the eastern front germany might have won. Meanwhile japan would have been wreaking havoc on the US navy.

@@thebravegallade731 the Soviets relocated their industry past the Urals where it could not be bombed were making 10,000 T/34s per year and had oil sources other than the Caucasus. The German got stuck in the mud and froze after reaching the absolute limit of their logistic capability which was 800 km. Trying to over-extend it lead to Stalingrad. You really think your Dieppe raid and the tertiary importance of the African front mattered? What, tying down 2-3 divisions compared to 150-180 mattered? Land Lease helped the Soviets gain speed in 43/44 but the Germans would have ran out of men and materials either way, even only just the oil would have been problematic for the Germans. They were not close to winning it ... it was just as impossible with or without Britain. Also, without a Germany first strategy all the industry of the US could concentrate on Japan that is a Japanese surrender in 43/44. Not 45. After that if there is a Soviet-Axis war the US would have pushed land-lease into the Soviet Union.

Or show me what they do not ruin..... Expect a very long wait, On that one....

It was/is cheaper to buy American weapons and let them do all the R&D. The F-35 is a case in point.

The beaucrats got the arms dealing right

Isn't that their job descripition?

Churchill gave away all our R&D + technology to the USA for free after the war.... sigh when they had break a through like H-bomb they told us to stuff off.

Still going strong, Just look at the Mig 25 & 31. Denial of Responsibility is a sin. The U.S.A. is not innocent, But the bigger problem was the lack of security in the engineering and design in Canada.

@@knutdergroe9757 Fairy Delta > TSR2 > Avro Arrow > Mirage.

Security wasn't/ isn't the issue, our civil servants gave jet engines to the soviets. Much like they are giving our country away to the europeans....

@@mhappy01, Gave ? At a high point of the cold war ? Really how does that work ?

Just after 1945, so not cold war but not long before Churchill made his Iron curtain speech.

I understand why...

Mat is here..

If only MOD and treasury ministers would, too

Oh hi mate.

@m n my condoleances

Yeah, but you know profit and economic sustainability is important, right? Unless it state owned, private companies must make money. Of course, for critical industries there's absolutely nothing wrong with them being taken into state ownership.

To be fair, "Made in Italy" never really was the most comforting marking to read on any piece of machinery..

@@JL-cn1qi They made some sick battleships and fighters. _whispers_ Just don't mention the tanks...

@Anne Isopod To be fair we were rather embarrassed about all the the shooting people we'd done with them over the previous 500 years. It was getting a bit much.

@J Biafra But i sure would like a Ferrari or Lambo even though they are mostly Audi

That was only posible after Heckler & Koch revised the rifle,...

hence brexit

In wars the UK always shells it’s own positions.

@@keyboarddancers7751 I voted leave, the EU is undemocratic and corrupt to its core. Don't patronize the silent majority of the UK's population with your pretentious arrogance.

@@charleswood7001 And then you'll get dependent from america - see the truth NO EUROPEAN COUNTRY CAN BE A REAL BIG PLAYER ON IT'S OWN ANYMORE. The single european countries are just too small for that

The arrow was cancelled because they was no market for it.aside from canada no one was going to buy it.

@@thunberbolttwo3953 False. Both the British and the Americas showed interest (the Americans would later take the F-106 Delta as a replacement. The British were using it for future projects similar to TSR-2. The French also wanted the Orenda engines for their newer fighters

@@jamiewhichelo9983 Yet the f4 phantom 2 did the same thing as the aroow at a cheaper price.Plus the orenda engines were never full devloped.No surprisae ther.they were trying to devlop both the plane and the engine.Its one or the other.as tto the british they had the electric lighting.thnuis no need for the arrow.

You lost me at ‘were’.

@@thunberbolttwo3953 A country can either build the engine or the aircraft? -F-35, F-16, F-15. Plus, contrary to what you say, 3 Arrows were installed with Orendas at the time of their destruction.

How DARE you! You have stolen my aircraft industry!

Neg Ative Sorry.. Had to pay for the dope somehow

@14miki u mug go scratch in the sand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how dare you！

14miki exact reason were disarming isis

the destruction of the nimrod mra4 haunts the British aircraft industry

scabthecat indeed

It's something of a running theme in plenty of scientific fields in the UK, but also some other European countries, especially in the 20th century. People going on and on about patriotism, but then neglecting innovators in domestic R&D, forcing them to go elsewhere, or letting other countries "steal their thunder". It's a pity. Though I do think this sort of short-sightedness is less common these days, but you still get all sorts of knowitalls and populists underestimating R&D and financing new talents and innovators.

Superior? How so? Admittedly I have no experience with British aeronautics, but plenty time messing with "drive a week, work on it a week" British autos from the late 50s, 60s, into the 70s, I take "superior engineering" with a large grain of salt. Although I love the Droid"s page the problem is even when the Brits get to claim firsts like radar and encription, they seem to glide right over help received from the French or Poles in filling in large holes in the developmental processes saving years as a consequnce. It certainly isn't "only" a British thing as it seems every other Nation has done much the same. The example of the catastrophic structural failure in the first commercial airliner causing the evaporation of a considerable industry investment and technological edge.is illustrative of at least some of the Ministers grasping some of the realities of being funtionally broke. It isn't that the idea isn't sound, or the out come desireable, it is simply you don't have the depth of pockets to stand the bad breaks that must come. The Pioneers take the spears. How many Pioneers can you fund?

Man of the west Well first off let’s not conflate the use of the word “superior” with some singular effort in achievement. I generally agree with your points but the use of the word here signifies only that they are superior engineers. They have many credits under their belt to cement this claim. What you discussed in terms of manufacturing has always haunted post industrial Britain. Germans, for instance, are always touted as superior ‘machinists’ and rightfully so. Many of their mechanical achievements are, in fact, not ‘superior’ to their British counterparts as engineering marvels, they are simply better made. When I purchased my Triumph 750 Bonneville, I immediately replaced the wiring and never had another issue. Much the same was true for cars like the Jaguar, which, when under the care of American mechanics, thrived. But on the roads of Europe, like the Ferrari and Lamborghini, were woefully expensive to maintain. Your final point is certainly true enough, but I think Droid was pointing out that the pragmatic tale you tell was not all there was to the story. It’s been a while since I have watched the video, but I recall a great deal of internal politics at play here. Politics intended to insure monetary and political power in the hands of the eventual victors. An all to common (and in may way all to British) human failing. The bottom line was that British engineers had made significant advances that were not only commensurate with, but in many ways more advanced, than their European or American counterparts. This rightfully implies the proper usage (admittedly in a generic sense) of the word “superior”.

The election system as well as the education system have drained Britain of guidance and knowledge. The idea that the brightest brains are only to be found among the Lord’s and the Upper Class is sadly the fate of Britain...

Two words. Incompetent government. The U.S. government built up the most advanced aerospace industry in the world, and placed a man on the moon.

Nalle Elections are a lot like asking “What flavour sauce would you like on your shit? We’ve got chocolate, pepper, trees, and none” - hmmm, it’s a tough decision that ultimately has no bearing on anything - “Stop over thinking and just eat your chosen shit” This is how mad it’s got in the UK. I’m a scientist with 30+ years experience, as is a highly educated colleague of mine who votes like this: Conservative in local elections because he likes how they make his town look, and Labour for the country because he doesn’t care about anything except what affects his town - he says it’s like devil’s advocate - I say it’s the product of a mind crafted by his town’s sewage system, and a questionable upbringing.

Ah yes, the government should have stepped in and funneled more money to these private projects to save them from...a lack of government funding. Government incompetence is the problem, the market didn't fund any of this and if left to them it'd likely have taken decades more

@@Joesolo13 Government funding worked out very well for the American aerospace industry.

he reminds me of a british android

And shirts

It is storytelling...

I could listen to this chap all day!

Indeed, he has a very pleasant voice to listen too. He also articulates very well and doesn't speak to fast, which for me, a non english speaker, makes it easy to follow and understand.

Present day - "faster-than-light travel for matter with mass is impossible"

@Jon Seymour Yes because well tested and known laws of physics are EXACTLY the same thing as the incorrect ideas of a puffed up asshole. Same thing, totes. :V

asdaffewwerqa asafdaqwrad 2016 British PM "We'll have a referendum on leaving the EU. The people will reject it." 2019 British PM "We're leaving the EU and it's going to be great for the U.K." 2035 PM of England "We want back in!"

@@unevenelephant469 the scientists always think they are right with there laws of bullshit at the time only to be proven wrong a few decades later.

The thing is when scientist or engineers say X is impossible they usually give the environment under which that statement is. Lazy journalist and quote miners of course will leave that part out. Case in point. It's impossible to fly faster than the speed of sound.... For a propeller aircraft. It was impossible then and it's STILL impossible now.

Oldest one in the book.

Are you referring to Brexit?

@@walterrudich2175 Actually I was refering to the interference in the local aeronautical industry (the Avro Arrow specifically) but Brexit would equally fit... you could even add the "mass wholesale" of public infrastructure to foreign investment as well if you like (as has occurred here in Australia) 👍

@@SpectreOZ Agree

British governments have always had large numbers of traitors, quislings and turn coats.

It happens elsewhere too. Dogma, not reason. We had several government owned businesses, providing top quality services in affordable prices while still making a nice profit for the government. But since dogma says privatised is better, the profitable companies were sold, now the costs have gone up, profit has gone down and service quality is falling like a rock. Basic rules of capitalism apply, or basic rules of life: if it works, dont try to fix it. These businesses had spent decades to improve their operations, to get into the top of their game. And after being sold, the buyers tried to get their money back fast by "rationalising" and "slimming down", and in effect just cutting away operational effeciency, turning a top company into struggling second rate operation. Dogma. Its magic rituals to compensate the lack of knowhow.

Labour governments have been gradually destroying Britain. Tony Blair was the final nail in the coffin and made sure Britain would never rise again. I must admit though, the trend started with treasonous Churchill selling out to the international elites and bankers. That was the beginning of a fast decline which can only be stopped or slowed down if the corrupt Tory, Labour and Liberal establishment parties disappear and are never voted in again and if Britain leaves the EU as demanded democratically by the majority.

@@squarerootof2 If it is known Britain will never rise again, the logical solution is disbanding Britain completely and possibly joining a system that can, for example nearby France.

@@squarerootof2 So 38% of the electorate is a majority? What is needed (not that it will happen) is those in the UK who don't vote should be (somehow) encouraged to vote. I am an expat who pays UK tax but guess what - I was disfranchised by Tony Blair when he was PM.

I know this will go against the grain, but this "reset" of goals is in many ways a benefit. This prevents the dogmatic following of previous investments that may be already obsolete. there are also other benefits in terms of government nimbleness. Obviously, there are downsides as well.

They were a pain in the a.. to access and service, tho...

Shame about the square windows... Ruined the reputation, and the world lost a thing of undeniable beauty

The reason they were in the wings is because of the perceived risk of uncontained engine failure. Although modern turbofan nacelles are designed to try to contain catastrophic engine failure (such as a blade fracture), uncontained failure still happen sometimes.

If metal fatigue and pressurising and depressurising was understood better then those square windows would never have been used This certainly killed off the comet

@@markmitchell450 I believe there was a design change for manufacturing which was effectively unauthorised and compounded the problem. Something to do with the assembly method, screws, rivets, adhesives or similar. The knowledge about stress fractures etc. was freely passed to others who learnt from it. "The cutting edge of new technology is stained with the blood of those who tried it first".

Seriously, Boeing is the fucking EA of the aerospace industry, buying up all the competition and ruining it.

yep

@@Eboreg2 There is an old joke amongst Boeing employees and it goes like this: McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money....

The 737 Max says "Hi". (Too many beers?)

@@Eboreg2 EA atleast does not try to get the government to not allow imports of foreign games.

William Chamberlain The less the government get involved with the better, generally

Gordon Brown selling all our gold reserves at an historic low price in 2002...

@@Tom_Hadler Swedish Government did allright with SAAB they had a mach 2 jet befire the lightning that could do the cobra

The banks are good at investing, so they invest outisede of the UK to end the empire.

@@MrAlwaysBlue yeah you really couldn't make it up Probably deliberate as the Labour Party wanted the UK have the euro and drop the pound two currencies running around the same value long enough would seal the argument not to adopt the euro

TRUTH !!! Politicians are like diapers, Need to be changed often, and always smelling like shit.... Remember, never ever vote for a lawyer.

Well... look into the mirror, Adam, because "politics (as is waging war) is completely and forever woven into the human psyche. And ANY one of us, put into the right situation, are More than capable of waging war on, and killing wholesale, an "enemy" threatening us or our loved ones, or becoming the type of politician we all profess to detest. Always has been that way, since our ancestors' knuckle-dragging early years...always will be. But we also have lots of "good sides": We are at our very best when things are at their very worst.

Yeah but Winston Churchill came up with the idea of NATO specifically to make a permanent American military presence in Europe because Britain couldn't afford to defend itself anymore. So you can hardly blame the government for then relying on the Americans, that was the plan all along.

Agreed.

Politicians basically just make an enemy of these programs as money plugholes and raise hate for them for votes

But kinda ass overall

Well, the F-35B was a bit expensive, unrealible and just completley useless. And someone will say: "Why do we need such a plane when there is an VTOL aircraft no other then the Harrier jump-jet, available from Hawker" (not anymore)

@@frankbecerril9835- 300 Argentinian fighters??? You must mean the Magellanic penguins, who, to be sure, put up a stiff resistance. Or perhaps you meant the Korean-era Argentinian A-4s; the plane that, during the Vietnam war, racked up a kill/loss ratio of 1:1(literally one to one) over the even-more-decrepit MIG 17. Due to a lack of refueling, these planes had barely 2 minutes to find a target, miss the target (blowing up a few more hapless Gentoo penguins), before streaking back to base, praying they didn't run out of fuel and have to ditch in the ocean.

@smile 2192 the harrier is not in service in the US

@@chrisafp071 av8b ?

Arms dealing is great

@@MrSimonw58 "Nothing to see here, its all above board and consistent with international laws"!.......Ish......

Amerca's development of and support of managed greed and corruption is tough to beat!

Government incompetence far outshadows any corporate greed.

@@luism5514 Bollocks, the British Aircraft industry shot itself in the foot by producing crap aircraft which were on the whole very late into service and way over budget.

Greg41982 Yes, Minister.

In the U.s. they all smile like Cheshire cats in publicity photos.

Exactly what I took away from it lol.

@Simon England Shakespear couldn't spell for toffee. But interesting to hear there spelling may be closer to the original, I've heard American accents are closer to those of the 17th ish century.

Kier Riemersma I don’t know what you were watching but I didn’t hear anyone “blame” the US. The demise of our aircraft industry was clearly down to the incompetence of our own politicians. You cannot take the credit for that.

with the amount of debt owed to the US, I'm sure that helped the politicians in the decision to can and sell off these projects. No blaming America, just shrude business sense on their part :)

LABOUR PARTY IS ALWAYS A DISASTER IN THE UK HISTORY

@@solomonsolomon9782 A Daily Mail reader here.

... and the US adopted German rocket technology and scientists, despite the fact that those German scientists should have been on trial for the indiscriminate bombing of British civilians.

Wrong, go and look in the files of the National Archives and you will find that the information flow between the USA and UK on defence tech was very much two way.

Richard Vernon - The burden of proof is on you, mate. I'm not digging through a website when you should provide direct links that support your argument. Wipe your own bum.

Yea, ok

This whole thing has the aire of a UK whitewash of history. Tell me then my cross Atlantic friends, if the UK was truly at the leading edge of all technology why do they still TO THIS DAY lag behind the Americans in their technological advancement?! Do not confuse a few small trade ideas with the birthing of an entire industry. Sounds like you may need to learn to wipe your ass period before spewing your shit.

It should be called treason.

Too many good(strong in morals and values) died in too many wars. The big problem with all of Europe. Now it is Americans problem with the current generation being ball-less. To have a value, it most have a cost. Freedom's value comes from loss ie death, and pain. Too many here in the U.S.A. have no sense of the value of freedom.

Lockspeiser was a known communist and watched by MI5. Sandys was a Europhile ...... enough said? /-)

Trees dare call it no, son.

The only reason MPs allow the squaddies from the NI conflict to be victims of witch hunts is because if they stopped it the heat would be on them. After all who sends the soldiers into war? So who is to blame?

Exactly what I thought!

@Michael Sharp Fine; Thunderbird 1 looks uncannily like the Miles M52

@Michael Sharp Jerry Adams? As in Gerry the Irish guy. I think you mean Gerry Anderson! He's a legend, so many great kids TV shows

@dustisdeadbodies85 What aircraft from that era were so great looking? I'm not seeing it.

DC-9 and Tu-114 are also pretty nice looking

Concorde is the best looking airliner ever

I was lucky enough to fly to spain on a 4C when i was a kid....beautiful!!

I flew on the Nimrod, military version of the Comet, 4 times. They used them for maritime patrols which included photographing fishing boats which they did with the plane rolled 90 degrees and a window open at an altitude of under 1,000 feet and a camera on a tripod bolted to the floor inside the window....I kid you not!

@ the rockerator your point is dead on the bullseye. your statement of truth makes most of the brits' comments on here very juvenile in comparison. it's very sad that a lot of brits blame the usa for almost EVERYTHING bad that's happened to them and their country. it's as though they've never gotten over losing the revolutionary war against the colonists. note to britain: grow up and look in the mirror for the culprit responsible for your country's problems.you are not alone in this regard.

@@bobwhite5440 See now I don't take things that way at all being an American..... Britain and the U.S.A. will be allies till the bitter end. We're like siblings with our sibling rivalries is all....

With the greatest respect, no one in the UK gives a crap about the revolutionary war against the colonialists. You guys seem to spout that old chestnut all the time lol . We are close allies that share a common language and democratic values. The fact that BAE systems have a foot in the door of the pentagon exemplifies this perfectly. Enough of the rhetoric now guys!

@@bobwhite5440 Don't flatter yourself into thinking that this is our outlook. We view you as our strongest allies and we rely on each other for groundbreaking research and production, so get off your high horse and get real, I'm glad not all Americans are as immature as you are.

@@bobwhite5440 Your comment started off well, but rapidly destroyed any respect I had for your opinion. First off, we don't care about pulling out of America, and it wasn't even your Taliban tactics that forced us out. It was not worth the money to stay in America and since only a small portion of our military was over there, the terrorist style war the traitors fought was becoming inconvenient considering what else was going on in the world. Trust me, there were way bigger and more important things happening in Europe than America, it really wasn't that big of a tragedy. Also, we actually can blame a lot on America as a country. Yeah our politicians started giving our territory away for no reason, but America had been working to destroy the Empire since WWII. I would direct you to the Suez Crisis for an example. The whole problem of information and research sharing is cropping up quite a lot in history with America. Britain and America work together to develop something, then America refuses to give Britain anything to do with it afterwards. Cough cough nuclear bomb and also the example he gave in this video. You call most of us juvenile, yet you managed to easily jump from 'the Americans didn't share our own work with us, again' to 'Yeah we're all salty about the revolutionary war that happened hundreds of years ago.' Yeah pal some of our houses are older than your country you mug, and the War of Independence was just an average day for the British Empire. Stop sucking yanky doodle dick.

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@@MisterPatel no available cc on this clip unfortunately.

@dustisdeadbodies85 thanks for translation, your awesome ;-)

@dustisdeadbodies85 it is very helpful thanks you I read all grammar is looking fine to me anyway.

@dustisdeadbodies85 I'm not deaf, but I admire and respect a genuinely bloody thoughtful act when I'm witness it.. If there was more people like you out there, then the world would be a much kinder place. Props to you sir 👍

Everything else went towards the interests of the USSR.

Anne Isopod what? Why would yo be so racist?

@@tommytmt Nope, Lend Lease payments went on long after that. The last payment was made on 29 December 2006 .

A Brit - Hmm, I did not know that.

@@KanyeTheGayFish69 American is not a race you moron. At worst it would be xenophobia. But he is 100% correct, the British trusted the Americans and got shafted. Fact. They also trusted the Russians with things like Rolls Royce Jet engines. And got shafted for that as well. Britain and post war naivety. Name a more iconic duo.

The same thing is happening in the u.s.

It was sub sonic. Still, a very innovative piece of British engineering.

@@sshep86 It still is subsonic, and still in front line service. With the USMC, whose jets today were all built in St. Louis, Missouri. The UK even abandons its most successful programs.

@@RCAvhstape Not sure we do. The Rolls-Royce V-STOL system is the one used on the F-35B. Technology not forgotten.

@@alastairbarkley6572 The F-35B does not use a Pegasus engine; it uses a geared lift fan. Not sure who builds the engine, might be RR. I remember there was a political battle to make sure two builders were contracted to make sure supply wouldn't stop if one were grounded, but I don't think that ever got through.

The Harrier is a cool thing, but at the same time its like one of those products you hear about being the one doing things like "doing what apple did, but just doing it too soon" (Apple is almost notorious for having made a massive business on things and concepts that failed a even few years earlier). The Harrier's main issue is that you can't really use its VTOL capability during normal use except when landing. Using it to take off requires you to lighten the aircraft too much (i.e. carrying fewer weapons, and/or outright taking off with less than full fuel, which itself is an issue as VTOL takes a lot more fuel for the Harrier than normal take-off does). Hell, the tech STILL isn't really there yet. The F-35 can't just VTOL perfectly either. It just took the approach of making use of the system in a way that lets it do a STOL instead with a reasonable load being carried. And this is the bloated budget-mess that is the F-35 that we are talking about. Its a fine plane to be sure, with the primary issue being its range (and perhaps being too ambitious in being designed with what the "future of air combat" is supposedly going to be in mind). The range is the big thing brought up every time someone wants to talk about the F-22 being better. And well they have a point. The F-35 is shorter range and effectively suited to being used by carriers or friendly locations closer to any enemy they might face. And their long-range stand-off combat future-philosophy is something that would only remain effective for as long as long range missiles continue to be effective.

The super expensive TSR2 (echoes of HS2 trains) was not needed as the nuclear deterrent had been passed over to the Royal Navy. The technology was passed over to Concorde with many of the engineers snapped up by the Americans.

Unfortunately our politicians seem to love the US more than their own country. They have been stripping us of anything British for decades and selling us out to move everything American in. Pretty much they want us to be another state. I don't mean any offence to Americans here but I hope you can understand it's a piss take when my own countries politicians are always trying to ruin my countries prosperity, potential and identity.

Predominantly is a little far fetched. Most our fixed wing aircraft are British made. The typhoon which we have 157 of were built in UK. All our hawk training jets are british and the BA 146 and Pumas. In fact, if you look at it on paper, it is currently predominantly British made. As for a few rotor wings and large boeings and yes the new f35s, they are US made, but far from predominant.

Cost. American producers have the scale to recoup the huge R&D spending on modern aircraft. The UK doesn’t, unless it co-operates with other countries like in Airbus & Eurofighter.

@@l3gionmusic814 Maybe you should go beyond Brexit and just apply for statehood in the USA. At least then you'd get congressional representation and maybe Lockheed or Boeing will build a factory there and get you back in the manufacturing business. (edit to add: this was a JOKE, don't @ me)

Simple: the right people were slipped the right bribes (or threats) to kill the right projects to ensure the USA had no competition. There's no real secret that the USA had this as national policy. It did the same to the Canadian aviation industry too. First rule of keeping vassal states: keep them technologically inferior and dependant on buying your technology - someone forgot to give USA business that memo in the 1980s.

Britain only ruled the skies in 1917-18. With the exception of some of the Jet Engines, by 1945 the USA was miles ahead. They were miles ahead in the 1930's as well.

It was the labour government putting domestic matters above the national interest and scaring away the close friendship that churchill had built with the USA, atleast half of the development and research of the atomic bomb was British, as the British program had begun earlier and made more progress than the American one when they were merged into a joint British-American atomic weapons program during the war but after the fall of Germany labour demanded a breakup of the coalition government and a general election which they won, the new socialist labour party government was feared by the Americans incase they had sympathies with the Soviet Union so cut all sharing of vital information regarding atomic research etc. So in cost cutting to fund the domestic policy they cost Britain more money than they had saved with the necessity of starting a second atomic weapons program from scratch with very little information from the USA to assist until they began to earn the trust of the American government then Winston Churchill had got the conservatives back into government in 51 and reestablished the British-American close relationship. If the Tories had won the general election in 45 Britain would now be far more powerful and prosperous than it is today. As churchill knew the importance of technology in national interest and recognised the cold war (he is generally accepted as the man who publicly declared the cold war with the iron curtain speech in 1946 whilst in America (arguably one of the most important, pivotal speeches in world history that made all the western world see the growing threat of the USSR) and he was the leader of the opposition in British parliament at the time. The labour government screwed Britain up and no one noticed until decades later, after idolising attlee for so long labour just pretend he was what they saw him as. After all churchill got the NHS through parliament in 1943, labour/soscialists pretend that wasn't true to claim glory for themselves.

@@theant9821 yeah and stalin spy came from britain and gave stalin the blue prints for a nuke, thanks britain, thanks for everything.

@@spacecatboy2962 so there hasn't been a single leak of important intelligence from the United States to the USSR? Grow up. Besides if it hadn't been for Britain you wouldn't have had an atomic bomb until atleast 2-3 years or more later, and the Soviets would have got themselves muddled in the Pacific theatre too. The Soviets were only allowed to enter Berlin first, British and American forces could have been there first but needed Soviets to keep their forces west and not start sending them to Asia and spread communism. That was the only reason the atomic bomb was used, to get Japanese surrender before the Soviets could get involved in the situation and to limit Soviet influence in the region after the war. After all, the American intelligence agencies were inspired by the British ones that had existed for years, British special forces trained the first ever American special forces, the US air force was modelled after the Royal Air force hence why they don't have battle honours during ww2, only the squadrons do that were transferred from the us army. Britain essentially built the first of almost everything you have and if they didn't build the first and show you how to do it odds are the French showed you how to do it. In 1945 Britain had the only special forces in the world, the most powerful air force as America technically didn't have one, arguably the most or second most powerful navy in the world though that had been in decline since ww1 but still was certainly 1st upon the outbreak of war years before America was forced into growing a pair of balls and pull its own weight in the world war rather than grow fat off the profits from selling stuff to Britain and France. The American navy and Indeed all modern professional navies since before ww1 are inspired by the Royal Navie example. Etc. Besides with Great Britain, where else would an invasion of Europe take place from, and without great Britain where else could the mutually assured destruction policy be assured. The USA had no other nuclear allies until Britain made itself one. And nowhere else close enough to Moscow and safe enough to adopt a M.A.D. policy to prevent a preemptive attack by the ussr. Britain was the only bit of Europe west of the iron curtain not still essentially laying in ruin or having to rebuild integrity and stability from having being recently conquered or overthrown.

@@spacecatboy2962 and if you want me to be absurdly accurate, America is one of the last countries to use imperial measurement as its primary method, common known in Europe and through the commonwealth as British or English measurement (most of that system/ systems were developed in Britain), whereas we in Britain and most of the world including your own American leading engineering primarily use metric (which was primarily developed in post revolutionary France as industry was younger there and they didn't yet have a standardized system of measurement in place across France). You see how different America would be if Britain and France hadn't gone to America? You'd still be dozens of countries and probably speaking Spanish. The USA is essentially a child of Britain and France.

@@theant9821 son i dont have time to read your books

Odd thing I've noted: for France, it's been the other way around. Nationalisation brought success, and subsequent privatisation started to throw everything under the bus. Food for thought 🤔.

Luc Fauvarque - 100% correct, it’s relativity long and complex economic and political history, however France in the 1950s pursued a “marginalist approach” driven by economists. Where by the state would intervene to provide the high fixed start up costs for public work schemes, then subsequent pricing would be based on the marginal cost of running and maintaining of those public schemes, infrastructure or organisations. The French during this period really should be the model for all future public intervention in the market. if you are interested (and can read french), this paper The Green Tariff of the Electricite de France by Marcel Boiteux is a great example of french nationalisation and pricing policy for their domestic electricity industry.

@@TheBenchPressMan Of course I read French, that's my mother tongue. Thanks for the read suggestion 😉.

@@lucofparis4819 because French are commies.

@@LawrenceTimme No, because French are Statists. And realists. They *know* privatizing public services is a shitty idea. Do you know how? Easy, they looked at your NHS and trains 😀. Feel the burn.

We would 😁. Would compete with Musk's ridiculous "rocket transportation" idea.

Concorde episode V: The British aviation industry strikes back

@@Menaceblue3 Don't forget that it was a cooperation with the French.

Luc Fauvarque Musk’s idea is no more ridiculous than “Concorde 2”.

Only if it makes commercial sense. It was a technological marvel but also a colossal white elephant

It's so stealthy it can hide behind lampposts to sneak up on the enemy

Everything wrong with the UK is down to government. Particularly when it came to making the same dumb decisions that kept us losing our colonies over and over again.

Did you see the video? You yanks fucked us by not giving us the research

Ermm everybody?

Gag Halfrunt Brexit anyone???

Classic example: The VC10 Built under orders of the Air Ministry to provide Empire service to service hot and high airports - short takeoff capabilities. Hugely expensive (which the government didn't pay for) and intended to be bought by BOAC - who didn't want them. About the same time as they entered service, the airports in question all lengthened their runways, so 707s could land there without problems - total cost at all airports about the same as ONE VC10, let alone the R&D costs. Who'da thunk that the answer to runways being too short would be to make them longer?

Atleast in the US our politicans are publicly ridiculed if anything of the sort happens.

Miles Aircraft went bankrupt after the M.52 scandal broke... the company and key employees were charged by the Crown with 24 counts of fraud and embezzlement. The Avro Arrow was too expensive for Canada and there was zero interest from foreign buyers.. it would have been obsolete by the time it entered service.. the program was doomed to failure.

Italian as well, The war caused a great deal of damage in very subtle ways....

@@knutdergroe9757 it's really a shame, seeing the innovations they brought forth

those biplanes still yeeted the bismarck though, but I do see your point

@@raz_hz Only because the Bismark wasn't designed to counter warplanes that slow. Even the Germans expected Britain to have better.

RR, who scuttled Lockheed's best civilian airliner... trijet... and almost bankrupted Lockheed (RR did bankrupt).

Sopwith Camel with a General Electric F110

Turbo Camel?

There were 6 engine options on the Sopwith Camel of varying power, the main improvement being the carrier version with a 15% increase in power compared to baseline, though there was also another engine that was 23% more powerful.

So strap a Rolls Royce Jet Engines onto a biplane... Nice

Yessss, miserable lack of foresight in favour of handouts.

They should leased of sell the queen and finance the military that way.

Certainly recent history. The last 50 years have been dire for Britain. It is as though it's own politicians have done everything thay can to ensure Britain fails. Future is bleak indeed.

British politicians have always been inept, it's just that before 1950 they had an empire that they could loot and plunder to prevent their own economy from being ruined, using that as a cushion to prevent their own suffering and inflicting it instead on those they were ruling. Eg. The Bengal famine in 1943 occurred because the British government diverted all the rice to supply the war effort, and it led to the death of millions. Churchill, when told of the casualties remarked that it was a shame Gandhi hadn't died.

@Benghali In Platforms "mass immigration" this is the payback for your wicked colonial past

@@user-gu1hl2kx2k Why are you here watching a video about the British aviation industry if you hate Britain so much?

Probably for the same reason why male birds develop flamboyant colors despite being counter productive.

Are you referring to Brexit?

And by "calling" you mean "breaking his kneecaps with a tire iron"

No joke he might have a problem

Indeed. Empire Brewing got in hot water with its "Empire Strikes Bock". The title of this video is an even more exact copy of the films title.

Fcuk Disney they ruined star wars. They went woke now they'll go broke.

The government needs to be supporting the next generation of Barnes Wallis, the 'mad inventors' who think outside the box and come up with truly unique solutions to problems

In the Gor sense...

You mean you steal our technology and sell it back to us, destroying our industry in the process under the guise of "partnership".

Ibirdball you just insulted your own country. 😂

@@Herb..StateOfGeorgiaOwnsFSU You mean the Government.

Ibirdball I’m pretty sure the government is composed of PEOPLE whom were voted into power by the British PEOPLE.

To late for UK. They turned to socialism shortly after WW2. The government then claimed that the only way to rebuild UK was for the government to takeover all industry.

You can either keep government out of business or business out of government. You cannot have both.

@@wills8288 yet socialist countries have some of the best standards of living and continually top the happiness indexes.....how's your healthcare btw?

if it wasn't for government these plane companies would never had the orders to make a go of it to begin with, or money for all that R&D. And they went bust exactly because the government didn't sustain them. The 'market' alone couldn't sustain them, ever. Do you think all those American companies, or Dassault, or SAAB, or anyone else, would have lasted without massive amounts of Government money & contracts & support? You're taking completely the wrong lesson. Either an American or someone who read too much American business propaganda...

@@grathapilot LOL, And you sound extremely Chinese. Whether the market might or might not have been able to sustain that many Companies is debatable, but being a major Customer didn't give the Government the moral right or insight to dramatically change Businesses. No non-communist County has meddled as much with Private Industry as the UK and the Burocrats wise plans made things worse every time.

@ You'll have plenty of money once you're out of the EU. Didn't you hear? Singapore on the Thames as they say, filthy rich just by gettin out of the EU.....and lots of other fairy tales.

Yeah that's how it looked at the time, then a couple of decades later the truth emerged from declassified documents about how the US had been secretly throwing its weight around to get the British competition cancelled.

@@watcherzero5256 Other than the Lockheed Martin fiasco mentioned in the video, which was a public embarrassment for the US and resulted in new rules being made against US companies lobbying foreign politics, what else happened?

@@fishie3799 I don't think they were secretly doing anything, It was more along the lines of the two countries being allies. America took the lead because they had the knowledge(borrowed or otherwise), money, and the industry to outpace every other country(again, at the time).

@@LostShipMate Alao thousands of stolen German patents.....

@@PoweredByLS2 If you mean Operation Paperclip, then yes. Your also forgetting that America . . . Requisitioned scientist, V2 Rockets, Nuclear Materials, advanced prototypes, and any other valuable articles of war not nailed tot he ground. Morality aside, the alternative was too let the Russians have it. You could argue the Russians 'stole' more, but that is a different topic entirely.

Actually it is was American drive us and pressure to pay them quick to debt due war Land-Lease so government has not choice to need repayment fast with low-interest was cause British go ahead to sell jet to Russian in end russian copy it and make themselves (were expect to get money back though this as it was low level tech) as they thought they use it for civil plane in end they use it to war which was wrong call by government as was desperate to clear the debt, as thought they will buy us to help our debt to pay American.. This was fireback (mig15 to shot many many usa plane) that reason American force us to join Korea war to make up the mistake and still pour more debt because this Korea war, and refuse our advice in this war and cause lost due American political reason that many other side story. but Chinese learn this trick and That is what Chinese did same to them in modern world su-27 and build engines ws-10 base russian jet. Sabre still same mistake by British as they give ESA and NASA also USA military which I would prefer keep ourselves and sell them rather give away again and American will make money more off that British will sell for.

The 1957 White Paper was Tory.

Give them time, there are still plenty of years for it to be cancelled to let history repeat itself.. again.

Labour* party.. English English

The true Queen of the Skies is the 747, but the VC10 still remains one of the most beautiful airliners ever manufactured.

I thought the German/Americans were forefront of Aviation .

Still being mismanaged by the UK government - slapping the official secrets act on it, preventing meaningful discussions with other parts of the ESA; deciding to not fund it further than the preliminary studies, but leaving the secrets in place to prevent third part funding; attaching intersting conditions to funding two decades later...

@@jocramkrispy305 BAE systems are literally a major shareholder in the project. Has military purposes too which is why DARPA are involved in the project. OSA does apply.. As for the ESA, tragic shame - they've validated it, that's all we need from them.

@@streaky81 OSA applied to HOTOL, Reaction Engines avoided getting patents on their new tech for years to avoid running the risk it would happen again. The current SABRE work involves significant work from German aerospace. Reaction Engines *had* to sell shares to BAe as a precondition of the 60 million government funding.