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What happened to the Old Egyptian Flag? 

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Egypt used to have a different flag, many of them looking rather similar to those of the Ottoman Empire. So what happened? What inspired the current Egyptian flag and its colour scheme? Find out!
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@cariopuppetmaster
@cariopuppetmaster 10 месяцев назад
The title the Egyptians rulers had before 1914 was Khedive not Caliph. The title was considered "lower" than Sultan and the Egyptian rulers "promoted" themselves by changing their title to Sultan after 1914.
@Ravi9A
@Ravi9A 10 месяцев назад
So what's a khedive?
@omaraboal-azm8705
@omaraboal-azm8705 10 месяцев назад
​@@Ravi9A It's just a Persian title that Ismail pasha bought from the sultan to make him self more remarkable than other ottoman vassals
@Ravi9A
@Ravi9A 10 месяцев назад
@@omaraboal-azm8705 thanks!
@cariopuppetmaster
@cariopuppetmaster 10 месяцев назад
@omaraboal-azm8705 it's said that Mehmet Ali Pacha used this title as well but it was not recognized by the Sultan until Ismail bribed him with enough $$
@omaraboal-azm8705
@omaraboal-azm8705 10 месяцев назад
@@cariopuppetmaster Yup, and he sunk the country in debt to do this
@markcooney7180
@markcooney7180 10 месяцев назад
To my mind the Mexican flag with the Eagle killing the serpent is the coolest birdy flag I can think of
@timmccarthy9917
@timmccarthy9917 10 месяцев назад
There'll never be a "why did the flag change video" about Mexico's flag, because there'll never be a reason to change it. It's perfect.
@Jalayir
@Jalayir 10 месяцев назад
In the social hierarchy there were clear distinctions of status and power between “ Turks ” ( atrak ) , the term usually applied by native Egyptian writers to both Ottomans and Mamluks , and the Arabic - speaking indigenous population whom those in power often lumped together as " peasants " ( fallahin ) regardless of occu- pation or residence . Whereas Egyptian writers sometimes casti- gated the " Turks " as bad Muslims due to the often unruly behavior of the Ottoman forces garrisoning Egypt , the “ Turks ” in turn regarded native Egyptians as a servile population unfit for politics or war . In the contemptuous words of one Ottoman governor , " I will not give [ military ] salaries to fallahin . Salaries are for the Turks . " 3 From the Egyptian side literary works from both the Mamluk and Ottoman eras indicate that literate Egyptians had not totally submerged their identity within Islam , but retained an awareness of Egypt's distinctiveness as a uniquely fertile region of the Muslim world , as a land of great historical antiquity and splendor , and more recently as a citadel of Islam against external assault . Egypt: A Short History James P. Jankowski · 2000 · p.60, 61
@Life_is_Misery
@Life_is_Misery 10 месяцев назад
The cresant moon was originally a Turkic symbol and not an Islamic one. Islam doesn't really have symbols associated to it but gradually cultures have adopted them as part of the religious symbols.
@Zemnmez
@Zemnmez 10 месяцев назад
the symbol, actually, interestingly was the emblem of constantinople and was adopted by the ottoman empire upon conquering it. Previously to this, it was associated with the cult of hecate in Byzantium, whose residents had believed that Hecate had saved them from invasion by Philip of Macedon
@AhmetwithaT
@AhmetwithaT 10 месяцев назад
​@@Zemnmezcrescent symbol by itself is older and independently invented by many cultures but crescent and star might be from Byzantion unless earlier examples are found.
@siyacer
@siyacer 10 месяцев назад
The mongols similarly had a similar crescent on their flags
@TrueSonOfWalhall
@TrueSonOfWalhall 10 месяцев назад
I think he mentioned that in his video on the evolution of the turkish flag, shouldn't be hard to find if you want to watch it, it's only 2 months old
@siyacer
@siyacer 10 месяцев назад
@Qazaq_Qyiat no, the mongols were 100% mongols. though they are related to turkic peoples linguistically ethnically and culturally
@faenethlorhalien
@faenethlorhalien 10 месяцев назад
British military occupation of Egypt dates back to 1882, not 1914. It was a British protectorate way before WW1 started, mate.
@lazygongfarmer2044
@lazygongfarmer2044 10 месяцев назад
It was a de facto British protectorate from 1882, but the British hadn't made that official, to avoid offending the Turks, who were nominally still Egypt's rulers. In 1914 the British simply made Egypt's status as part of the British Empire official, because they were now at war with the Turks.
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 10 месяцев назад
Hello Hilbert. Very interesting as I knew only a little about the flag history here. I was half expecting you to say that the previous version did not last FAR into the future, before the new one replaced it.
@ntluck1592
@ntluck1592 10 месяцев назад
So several mistakes in this video. Never did an Egyptian ruler call themselves Caliph, except for the Fatimids. Muhammed Ali's dynasty called themselves Khedive, which means Viceroy as that alludes to their “loyalty” to the Ottoman Sultan, who himself never called himself Caliph despite technically being one. Another matter is that the Ayubids and Mamluks had adopted a style of banner from Ancient Egypt. You would find flags with the eye of Horus on them, or the key of life and other similar emblems. Finally, the modern flag. While the blood for red and such is common among other Arab nations, in Egypt it has a different meaning. The red is the desert, the black is the fertile lands of the land (Black soil) while the white is a new beginning. Saladin died in 1193, that's the 12th century, not the 13th. My source is that I"m Egyptian and that's what they taught me in school ¯\_(ツ)_/
@retf8977
@retf8977 10 месяцев назад
Honestly as an Egyptian i view the old green flag as way cooler and more unique than the current one, with all due respect to the message and symbolism and iconic status the newer one has gained over time. Both could be adopted as official flags.
@DigitalWaqf
@DigitalWaqf 10 месяцев назад
This was very hard to listen to because so many things were wrong. Just inside of a minute, hadiths were described as verses, Egypt was conquered by the Ummayyads and not the Rashidun, the Abbasids being from Iran (this is like saying the Nazis were Italians because they had a support base there). Tough to watch things that are so obviously wrong to anyone with any clue of the subject matter being presented. :(
@andriusgimbutas3723
@andriusgimbutas3723 10 месяцев назад
The Nazis were from Italy? Last time I checked Hitler wasn't it's governor and didn't launch a revolution from there
@saadshoaib901
@saadshoaib901 10 месяцев назад
Exactly
@HweolRidda
@HweolRidda 10 месяцев назад
He did not say "hadiths", verse or otherwise. Yes, the Rashidun were the ones who conquered Egypt, but he did not say the Ummayyads were the ones who conquered it. He did mix up Bagdad with Iran.
@DigitalWaqf
@DigitalWaqf 10 месяцев назад
@@HweolRiddaat 0:51 he says “religious verses were written about them” and then references a hadith. Very very sloppy to the ear of anyone even vaguely familiar with the topic.
@Vmac1394
@Vmac1394 10 месяцев назад
QUICK, GERMANY DROPPED THEIR REALLY COOL TRICOLOR FLAG. FLIP IT UPSIDE DOWN AND SAY ITS OURS.
@karlkarlos3545
@karlkarlos3545 10 месяцев назад
Lol, was thinking the same.
@mrmr446
@mrmr446 10 месяцев назад
Quraish isn't a region but the tribe from which the Prophet came.
@Ptoly
@Ptoly 10 месяцев назад
Though a little off topic, i think it would've been nice to mention Egypt's flag proposals following the coup, the cape to cairo flag by Rhodes aswell as the meaning of the shield in the current Egyptian flag
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 10 месяцев назад
Would be really cool if Egypt had a sphinx on its flag.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 10 месяцев назад
I could get behind that!
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 10 месяцев назад
@@historywithhilbert146 It makes too much sense
@zacnewzealand
@zacnewzealand 10 месяцев назад
Oh my God yes ❤🙌
@nateghast6456
@nateghast6456 10 месяцев назад
@@Lozza97 Radical Muslims might call it idolitrous though. :/
@binderr3
@binderr3 10 месяцев назад
hi egyptian here pretty much every egyptian would prefer to represent present ideals about egyptian people, hence the eagle (strength and power(not exactly uh correct)). yes, egyptian history is extremely important to egypt, however egyptians would like to celebrate themselves and their present nation, and not a people that they do not represent currently that died 7000+ years ago.
@ziggypop79
@ziggypop79 10 месяцев назад
The green flag looked way cooler
@LordBitememan
@LordBitememan 10 месяцев назад
Albania has a two-headed eagle on their flag.
@Daniel-en1on
@Daniel-en1on 10 месяцев назад
I was legit thinking about this flag change earlier today and now you have a video on it.
@BlueBird-wb6kb
@BlueBird-wb6kb 10 месяцев назад
They should have a sandy, yellow or gold flag, oh well.
@wolteraartsma1290
@wolteraartsma1290 10 месяцев назад
Yemen was briefly united with the U.A.R. and had a red-white-black flag with 1 green star, can't find an illustration of it online.
@Addi_the_Hun
@Addi_the_Hun 10 месяцев назад
they changed it because new flag looks 100000% cooler
@AbdulRehman-wk3cs
@AbdulRehman-wk3cs 10 месяцев назад
Off-topic, but I really love this flag which is kinda similar to the old flag, it's the old Wafd Party flag! I like it cuz it has a cross on it to acknowledge the Copts (i think), I was really surprised to know Christians make up 10% of Egypt
@KSalem32
@KSalem32 9 месяцев назад
Egyptian here. The current Egyptian flag is inspired by Nasser’s Pan Arabism which I am intensively against and I think that the green flag looked way better. It should be readopted soon!
@leomartinez603
@leomartinez603 10 месяцев назад
Mexico 🇲🇽 bird right there in the middle
@micahistory
@micahistory 10 месяцев назад
interesting video, didn't know this history before
@Suleimaan104
@Suleimaan104 10 месяцев назад
Hey Hilbert, could I get your source for that quote at 1:05? I am aware of a very similar, but still different, quote and would like to sate my curiousity. Keep up the great work!
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 10 месяцев назад
It's the hadith from Sunan Ibn Majah, 4084.
@Suleimaan104
@Suleimaan104 10 месяцев назад
Thanks man, it seems that the one I was aware of was a misquotation.@@historywithhilbert146
@mhmadbedrddeen3414
@mhmadbedrddeen3414 10 месяцев назад
​@@historywithhilbert146 Yes it's a hadith not a verse as you said also they applied it to them themselves to gain legitimacy while in reality it speaks at the end of days when the Mahdi would come
@LeNumero10Tv
@LeNumero10Tv 10 месяцев назад
@@historywithhilbert146 Exacly its not a verse. they did not write it for themselves they saw it and tried to apply it on themselves.
@RaimoKangasniemi
@RaimoKangasniemi 10 месяцев назад
There is a huge mistake in an otherwise good video: Britain took control of Egypt in 1882.
@karlkarlos3545
@karlkarlos3545 10 месяцев назад
Excuse me, but I think your little neighbouring country, Germany, has a bird in his flag. At least in his official service flag version.
@mhmadbedrddeen3414
@mhmadbedrddeen3414 10 месяцев назад
Regarding the Abbasids and that they came from the east Firstly, these are not verses but hadiths aka narrations from the prophet Secondly these hadiths were not written about them, they twisted them and applied them upon themselves to legitimize their revolt against the Umayyids You need to put more research
@Zim___
@Zim___ 10 месяцев назад
Do Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia & Brunei
@maighaleb786
@maighaleb786 10 месяцев назад
Why is no one addressing the photo at 5:01 of the guy at the pyramids... with a goddamn kangaroo. Wtf? Where did the kangaroo come form and why? Lol. I’m so confused by this photo and also the fact that we just slid right on past it as if it was completely normal. Lol.
@delfinenteddyson9865
@delfinenteddyson9865 10 месяцев назад
Anzac troops maybe?
@fusionreactor7179
@fusionreactor7179 10 месяцев назад
Post Ottoman flag vs ugly arab nationalist flag. Same case why North Africa has star-ceescent flags and the middle east has that ugly upside down imperial german flag
@armandoevangelistamoreno
@armandoevangelistamoreno 3 месяца назад
The stars and Eagles represent imperial rule.
@rhetoric5173
@rhetoric5173 10 месяцев назад
Rife with mistakes, glib ones at that. The Umayyads flag was white, coopting the flag of the prophet, the Abbasids was black, signifying revenge. There’s no such thing as “religious verses” in Islam than the Quran, Abbasids did not originate in Iran (Persia actually, since Ian didn’t exist back then), their armies originated from there, Abbasids themselves were Arabs until Harun all-rashid at least ( Arab father, foreign concubine for the lineage, but nominally Arabic). The eagle is the Eagle of Saladin, it waa the banner of ayyubids (btw French sans de fleur or whatever it is called, which they copied from the Manila)
@heshamsaper3077
@heshamsaper3077 10 месяцев назад
The three stars represent ( Egypt ' sudan , and kret)
@barryirlandi4217
@barryirlandi4217 10 месяцев назад
Where did you get that "Hadeeth"??
@whitefriday2585
@whitefriday2585 7 месяцев назад
0:41 Iraq*, not Iran . 1:43 - the Fatimids used green flags not white. The Umayyads used white.
@saadshoaib901
@saadshoaib901 10 месяцев назад
Bro u messed up big time here What u presented earlier in the video is a narration from the prophet It’s not a verse or something How can you miss that? Overall good video
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 10 месяцев назад
Isn't it a hadith which was later attributed rather than being from the Qur'an and the word of God?
@mohammedjahanzaib9183
@mohammedjahanzaib9183 10 месяцев назад
​@@historywithhilbert146 Well you see the Qur'an is the scripture, but the hadith is an oral tradition where people quote something the Prophet Muhammad said or did. Which is why Muslims have somewhat of a science to authenticate the hadith since it is not scripture. The importance of hadith is that it supplements the more practical aspects of the religion. Each hadith has two parts 1) the chain of transmission 2) the body The chain of transmission is basically a series of citations which later people can look over to see if the sources cited are valid or not. If the chain is continuous and everyone on it is authentic, The body is accepted. In the case of this particular hadith you narrated, one of the narrators (Sufyan al Thawry) is famous for not citing his sources correctly. He essentially hides the name of the narrator he hears from. This is probably because that person is not a valid source and is rejected and Sufyan wants to hide his name. Because of his habit, this narration is considered weak and rejected. Since he hasn't cited his sources correctly, and we cannot authenticate it to be true.
@mohammedjahanzaib9183
@mohammedjahanzaib9183 10 месяцев назад
@@historywithhilbert146 Can't really blame you for this because most of this information is pretty much gate kept in Arabic, and there is no definitive canon between ALL muslims. Sunnis believe Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim to be fully authentic, while Shias sort of but not exactly have a similar belief about other varying books. Which is why each narration upon being narrated, has to be manually authenticated according to the evidence each sect puts forward for their chain of transmission.
@mhmadbedrddeen3414
@mhmadbedrddeen3414 10 месяцев назад
​@@mohammedjahanzaib9183 Actually the hadith is authentic by hakem, Az-Zahabi, ibn kathir and Al-albani except the last part about Al-Mahdi
@saadshoaib901
@saadshoaib901 10 месяцев назад
@@historywithhilbert146 I think my bro explains it however, the ahadis aren’t some oral stories and folklore The science of hadis authentication is extremely complex. They are only second to the quran
@_Delphi
@_Delphi 10 месяцев назад
Quraish is not 'an important region' as said in the video but an Arab tribe that Muhammad is said to have belonged to
@RaimoKangasniemi
@RaimoKangasniemi 10 месяцев назад
North Yemen was also part of the United Arab Republic.
@mahmoodali5043
@mahmoodali5043 10 месяцев назад
a history youtuber in 2023 who doesn't know already of the Tutankhamun flag cartouche and its adoption as the republican flag; red and white for the pre-union pre-histporic egyptian kingdoms of north and south, and black for the fertile black soil (Kemt) Nor does he understand or acknowledge the difference and opposition between the egyptian socialist republican movement with tri-color egyptian flag designs and the monarchic arab revolution 4-color flags designs simply have absolutely no business mentioning egypt in a video, let alone make one about its flags
@davidauflick2758
@davidauflick2758 10 месяцев назад
Mexico has an eagle killing a snake on its flag
@user-qz4br8hy5t
@user-qz4br8hy5t 10 месяцев назад
7:07 Hilbert the colours stand for three Arab caliphates or dynasties (red: Hashemite, white: Umayyad, black: Abbasid).
@Losangelesharvey
@Losangelesharvey 10 месяцев назад
red-white-black = pan-Arabic? hmmm, also, "Prussia>Germany"...
@adityaanggaisback937
@adityaanggaisback937 10 месяцев назад
Correction:Abbassid family not come from Iran but start their revolution in iran
@saifhazem7164
@saifhazem7164 10 месяцев назад
The title was Khedive not Caliph. In 1914 when Egypt became a British protectorate in order to assert that Egypt was no longer part of the Ottoman Empire ruled by the Ottoman Sultan the British changed the title of the ruler of Egypt from Khedive (something like a governor but with more power) to Sultan, making the ruler of Egypt on equal terms with the Ottoman ruler. In 1919 a revolution broke out in Egypt and as a consequence in 1922 Egypt gained its independence from Britain (but was still part of the British sphere of influence) the ruler of Egypt (then Sultan Fuad) changed his title from sultan to king to become on equal terms with the British ruler. A King. And his title was "The King of Egypt, sovereign of Nubia, Sudan, Kordofan and Darfur" and would ultimately become "King of Egypt and the Sudan" Egypt's flag is not really "pan Arabic colors" as at that time Egypt did not embrace an "Arab identity" it was during Nasser's rule (the one who changed the flag into the 2 green stars flag used by Syria today) that a propaganda to spread Pan-Arabism to counter imperialism was started in Egypt and Egyptians wouldn't embrace an "Arab" identity till the 50s. Saladin did not "aid Egypt". He ruled Egypt becoming the founder of the Ayubbid dynasty that would rule Egypt for much of the period during the crusades.
@SemsKnight
@SemsKnight 10 месяцев назад
Hello
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 10 месяцев назад
hey!
@ZarlanTheGreen
@ZarlanTheGreen 10 месяцев назад
What about the Kurdish flag? That'd be neat.
@southepirote7676
@southepirote7676 9 месяцев назад
Brothers 🇦🇱♥️🇪🇬
@JMM33RanMA
@JMM33RanMA 10 месяцев назад
Given the short form of the videos it would be too much to expect mention of the Khedive, a disused old Persian rank that the British bought from Persia to give their puppet Emir Farouk. Then of course you mentioned Sudan, a can of worms considering that Anglo-Egyptian Sudan was in an internal dispute or two, not to mention a territorial dispute with France. You mention Mahdi, but not the one that besieged Khartoum. I was a history major before the real world slapped sense into me and I changed majors, so consider this not as a criticism of the video but a hook to catch interested surfers.
@KenZzZ86
@KenZzZ86 10 месяцев назад
Looks like the old german flag, just the other way round.
@faenethlorhalien
@faenethlorhalien 10 месяцев назад
As a country, it's not that old. It was part of the islamic kingdoms for centuries. As a civilization? You could say that islamization basically ended Egyptian identity, but it does really feel like they cling to it, so I'd give them a pass.
@greatwolf5372
@greatwolf5372 10 месяцев назад
Genetically they are mostly the same as Ancient Egyptians but both their language and religion has changed.
@lazygongfarmer2044
@lazygongfarmer2044 10 месяцев назад
There is more continuity than you might think between ancient and modern Egypt. Egyptian Arabic is heavily influenced by the old, indigenous Egyptian language of Coptic, and modern Egyptians eat many of the same foods their ancestors ate.
@bobmcbob9856
@bobmcbob9856 10 месяцев назад
Serbia, Montenegro, and Albania all have birds. The Balkans are a big bird on flag region
@southepirote7676
@southepirote7676 9 месяцев назад
Yup, you can thank Pelasgians (proto Albanians) for that
@bobmcbob9856
@bobmcbob9856 9 месяцев назад
@@southepirote7676 Nah, it’s pretty well documented that we all got it from Byzantium and the Byzantines got it from reliefs on Hittite ruins in Anatolia
@LeNumero10Tv
@LeNumero10Tv 10 месяцев назад
@historywithhilbert it's okey to youse a secular premise to analyze this but you have to do a better job about it. 1-these aren't ''verse'' so you are factually wrong by stating this. these are Hadiths. 2-The better hypothesis isnt to say that they wrote this for themselves (witch would have been obvious from their rival and they wouldn't have any support. The best way to see the situation is to assume that they only tried to force what was already written to make people believe that these hadiths were about them. Before presenting the history of something that you haven't learn from an early age you need to understand the basics about it from the people that told theese stories themselves and not with a colonial gaze.
@LeNumero10Tv
@LeNumero10Tv 10 месяцев назад
and this is only the first minutes of a video with countless mistakes
@VinnyUnion
@VinnyUnion 10 месяцев назад
It became the german empire
@selfiekroos1777
@selfiekroos1777 10 месяцев назад
Ancient Egypt was known as the 'red and black land'
@kingdomofgarvin3432
@kingdomofgarvin3432 10 месяцев назад
Real Talk
@user-yv7si8kp8k
@user-yv7si8kp8k 10 месяцев назад
0:45 in Iraq
@Tztimelord
@Tztimelord 10 месяцев назад
Mamluk were Turkish rulers. And crescent has nothing with Islam. Crescent maybe linked with ancient Turkic symbols or banner of Constantinople… It is about Turks not Islam
@RealUvane
@RealUvane 10 месяцев назад
But Kurds are aligned with Templars via the Gutians.
@xELITExKILLAx
@xELITExKILLAx 10 месяцев назад
Egyptian Kangaroo!
@h_kostadinov
@h_kostadinov 10 месяцев назад
Modern and Ancient Egypt have little more in common than the name. The language and culture are completely different. Thus modern Egypt can't be an old country, since modern Egypt has its origin in Mohammad Ali's state.
@samyebeid4534
@samyebeid4534 10 месяцев назад
The reality isn't as simple as you posited. While it is true that modern and ancient egyptian cultures are not as similar to each other as ancient and modern Greece or China... there are significant traces of continuity. For example, the ancient egyptian calendar never died out in egypt and remained in use till the 1970s when the aswan dam was built. And till this day, the ancient spring harvest festival of Sham Ennesim is an official national holiday in egypt and its date is still determined by the egyptian government using the ancient coptic calendar. This is without mentioning the large ancient Egyptian vocabulary still used in egyptian arabic, among other elements.
@eca3101
@eca3101 10 месяцев назад
No country has anything in common 5000 years later, smartass
@kingdomofgarvin3432
@kingdomofgarvin3432 10 месяцев назад
Do one about Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹
@SlaveofGod777
@SlaveofGod777 10 месяцев назад
Hello
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