What _should_ happen next is that Rowling authors some high quality prequels to base the FB movies on, and then give it another try in ten to fifteen years to tell a better story.
I still vastly prefer Richard Harris’s depiction of Dumbledore: a regal, elegant figure that exudes power despite his calm persona, versus Michael Gambon, who was depicted as an old man in the midst of an ongoing manic episode, dressed as an unkempt hobo.
The main reason is, in the books, all wizards/witches wears robes. The Wizarding World is basically stuck in the medieval era and they all wear robes in different colors, the exception being Hogwarts Students who all wear black robes. The Movies changed that for some reason and people have taken that being the canon versions of their outfits.
Or how does he go from looking like Jude Law to to looking like Michael Gambon in a span of a year. The events of secrets of Dumbledore are taking place in 1937 and he meets Tom Riddle in 1938 (I had to google that, actually thought it was a bit longer, nope - Albus went from Jude Law to Michael Gambon in a year. Must have been a really stressful year I guess🧐)
@canonicalcritic I mean I ho in to movies looking to be entertained not to analyze every little detail. So I agree their fight would be great to see, but I also just enjoyed the movies.
The franchise has not officially been cancelled. The showrunner has said that that there is no script currently for a next movie. The franchise has been put on hold as it were. So with a bit of luck if the new HBO Max Harry Potter show will be popular, they might continue with the Fantastic Beasts franchise. Fingers crossed!
I so wish J.K.Rowling would put pen to paper and write the entire series down in story form (not screen play) as I’d buy them and I’m sure a lot of fans of Harry Potter would as well.
@@mamiemini Start with Newt as a student and perhaps follow him on a journey to become the Magizoologist we see in the actual FB1 before continuing the story from there.
Yes extremely, I really want a series about the founders of hogwarts and when they first started hogwarts. We know barely anything about them, I'd love to know more!
My theory for Nagini is that once she finally transformed she slowly lost her mind due to her isolation and her snake like nature became stronger so by the time Voldemort came along there was very little of her left.
What about Dumbledore introducing the two? I mean , when Credence finally passes away it seems possible to me that the Dumledores would thank the woman that was kind to him as long as he was with the circus. Later, when she transforms permanently to her snakeform Dumbledore could repay her the favour with introducing her to a boy that could talk to her and Tom Riddle, who is also lonely, to a snake he could be friends with.
@@marcelsgroot They reveal that maledictus eventually lose their entire human side which includes memories. Human-Nagini and snake-Nagini were completely different. I think they did this to showcase how drastic the change from human to animal is for a maledictus.
While I don't see the need for 5 films, I do think it was unwise of them to not at least make one more and wrap it up showcasing the duel we've all wanted to see...
I agree I hate that we dont get to see the duel between grindewald & Dumbledore!! mostly because it was such a big deal int the Harry Potter series!!!! & wb is throwing blame for the lower box office on everything else like J.K Rowling & Johnny Depp they dont seem to understand how expensive it is for hard working people to go the movies post covid & their disgusting greed they want blockbuster box office totals instead of making quality movies that the fans can enjoy as an escape!!!!!! I personally would watch another movie or 2 if & when they apologize publicly to the fans of the franchise & Johnny Depp for wrongfully fired him over baseless ,malicious lies that he was the abuser meanwhile we all now know he was the abused !!! & they were also stupid enough to keep not only the abusive amber turd in aqua man 2 but they also kept the other abusive actor Ezra Miller too!!!!! the double standard bullshit excuses are disgusting & maybe the real reason their movies dont make the money they want!!!!!! in my opinion they should try to get Johnny back at least for the duel with Jude Law's Dumbledore that alone would be the reason why I would go see that movie but after the public apology to Johnny & the fans & make it as a public service message that no matter gender, skin color, race, & sexuality abuse comes in all forms!!!! & its unacceptable !!!!!!
Packing the "Secrets of Dumbledore" into Fantastic Beasts was a horrible mistake. Albus Dumbledore, one of the most important and beloved characters that JKR created, should've gotten a film of his own with seriousness and proper story telling...
Are you now writing the story? 😄 How do you know that the planned story line didn't include a very important role for fantastic beasts, Newt and possibly Hagrid in the 1945 duel?
It's because people took the most wrong impression ever from the first movie. Somehow, they thought it'd be a Pokemon with magic, even since the first movie showed that it's about a pacifist being forced to be involved in a war he was avoiding. And, because of that, the third movie kinda ruined the potential of the franchise by taking the LeSs iS mOrE approach to the extreme when it was promising a badass sequence on the third act. I even wrote and published an article about how people's misunderstanding of the franchise was the problem all along.
"people's misunderstanding of the franchise was the problem all along" while 1000000% accurate....misses the more important point: the movies didn't allow themselves to be understood by its audience. Yes, art is for the artist....but this was, from the beginning, not intended to be a young writers expression of art in writing like HP was. This was an established multi millionaire wanting to flex their skills by doing it themselves (screenwriting vs novel writing) while making bank for the studios. Something was overlooked in all process and I feel it was due to pride and arrogance - the real connection and spirit of the story was never made. It was just assumed people would pick it up. It wasn't.
@@RodrickMarsMoon I agree you are not wrong in much of this.. but I feel the line doesn't follow quite from "what has been told"... remember a lot of people come either from the book or from the movies (obviously there are overlapping). But all together a lot of "potterheads" got an ick from the movies by how the titles were written or the titles insinuated "and where to find them" insinuates we will get to know the fantastic beasts and actually explore their inhabitat, or that "they have been living among us all along" type of thing.. yet in the movies (both the HP and Fantastic beast) we basically get introduced to a suitcase full of them... The second one "Crimes of Grindelwald" we gets snippets and pieces of what his crimes are and how he is "doing the final stretch" The Third one "secrets of Dumbledore", obviously we found out about Aurelius, but it alofted to the whole ordeal in which.. WE or majority of us alteat expected it to be a secret for the Dumbledore in which we saw in HP, get a glimpse of him and his... not that "taaadaaaa.. you're an uncle" (obviously there's the blood pact and the love between him and Gellert). not to mention, in how things were mentioned before hand, it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouth.. the big duel Gellert and the two Dumbledore brother's fighting Gellert.. Ariana coming forth and getting killed... this was insinuated in the later Harry Potter movies as being the rift that split the Dumbledore brothers. This is insinuated to be the "big downfall" of Gellert. Now (in the movies) it's just a "eeeeh, one dumb thing led to another dumb thing, the whole thing was dumb and she died"
I think people expected them to be a prequel to main Harry Potter series, and while in some ways they were, in a lot of ways they weren’t. I had always heard that the “Fantastic Beasts” series of movies were NOT to be treated as a prequel to the main series.
@@coreymcdonald7745 that is also a statement I can agree 100% on.. that.. they were expected to be within the exact same setting and "lore wise" follow everything to a T to the movies of Harry Potter. But instead were a seperate adaptation of source material closely related with some overlap of names.
Mads did a great job but many people were annoyed that Johnny Depp was fired from his role by Warner Brothers despite no proof against him & protected Ezra Miller for his roles in the Fantastic Beasts franchise & the DC franchise despite proof of his appalling behaviour and also protected Amber Heard even after proof that she did to Johnny Depp what she alleged he had done to her !!!
@@jacquicox4867 yep well said. I'd prefer Depp to stand back in he just fits the character better imo but like you said Mads is a great actor also. They got greedy and couldn't wait.
As much as I hate to say it, I think Mads probably should've been cast as Grindelwald from the very beginning. (As much as I love Johnny, I really didn't like the whole Heterochromic look with his eyes, that skull bong, and how he could sometimes go OTT even in quiet, simple moments. Then there's Johnny playing him as British, which he wasn't. Mads's accent is perfect, as it has a very continental European feel to it (I mean, he is Danish after all.). We have to remember that Gellert was born in the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of the 19th Century (the countries in that Empire would later become Austria, Hungary, The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia) and he went to Durmstrang, so he would've probably spoken with an accent closer to any one of those countries. Plus I felt Johnny could over-egg the pudding, or go OTT, even in quiet moments. But Mads just seemed to know when to keep his performance as real as possible without going into hysterics. He knew when to hit the "stop" button before he took it too far. And his chemistry with Jude Law was outstanding. The tea scene was a major standout in the third film, as was the final fight in Bhutan where they both stop the fight when they notice they have their hands over each other's hearts, and realize that there is still love there, at least on Grindelwald's side. I'll always agree that Warner Brothers did Johnny something dirty based on unfounded accusations, yet had no problem keeping Ezra Miller onboard, when some of what he's been accused of is actually provable. But I do think Mads was a better Grindelwald. (There, I've said my bit. Bombard me with flames if you must)
@ladycplum No flames from me 😄 as I totally agree with you. Mads is Grindelwald. He should have been cast from the start. I also liked Colin's acting Grindelwald too.
Absolutely! Either that or keep colin farrell in as grindelwald. At least they had menace. The second he turned into johnny Depp in the first film it took me right out of the magic, because he was just being johnny Depp again.
4: Love in the time of Dragons. Have to bro. Since they love each other and WW2 kind of pops off at the same time. Dragons fighting would be epic. Dumbledore famously discovers all the 12 uses of Dragon's Blood. I MEAN COME ON. COME ON WB PLEASE. THERE WAS GONNA BE DRAGON BLOOD SPILLED EVERYWHERE. HOW DARE YOU TEASE .... Where was I? Oh and lastly... 5: The Stick of Destiny But centered around unicorns being weaponized to commit travesties against the muggles during their war. Their incredible speed and tails of magic on top of horns that can cure being used for evil. Forces Dumbledore to act as their numbers plummet (they're only ever shown in the Forbidden Forest and Hagrid is specifically shown to be in charge of guarding them in the first film them being nearly brought to extinction in the rise of Grindelwald and Dumbledore acting against them as the master of Dragons). But trying to keep them all alive in vain. Saving their species as he breaks the Elder Wand's mastery in defeat of his lover. But can't deal the final blow but Gellert tries. (The unicorns snapping out of their massive Imperius curse would be epic as they don't typically attack anyone according to Hagrid. So them jumping in after Dumbledore takes the elder Wand but Grindelwald pops out the concealed strap (his original wand) from the non wand hand only to get horned (them being able to cast spells from their horns would be epic. Fawkes being present as A unicorn horn burns his original wand with the golden fire Harry uses against Dumbledore. While permanently causing pain to his arm would be how I saw it. Since nobody has any clue where the golden fire comes from (but unicorns start gold and turn white over the course of seven years the most magical of numbers as Voldy said). Bro UNICORNS. Newt wrote it in the damn book. ONE OF THE MOST MAGICAL CREATURES. Dragons and Unicorns is what WB left on the table. That fifth film probably goes Avengers level if it teases a WW2 back drop and Dumbledore riding into an army of flying unicorns on the back of a fully grown Hungarian Horntail or even better... A NORWEGIAN RIDGEBACK as to why Both Riddle and Hagrid would think so highly of one. Epic!!!!! Damnit WB you made it about fantastic beasts. You Albus who's completely tied to dragons. And you never once acknowledged the only creature that Newt showed nothing but obvious bias towards their magical power. (mumbles several French words...) Amber (several more French) Heard.
I truley wish they continued with a 4th and 5th film. Fantastic Beasts series brought more magical animals then Harry Potter did and we got to c more places then our favorite castle. Don't get me wrong, like any other potterhead, I love the og storyline. But these prequels brought out more pieces to the wizarding world and expanded it for us.
The reason why these movies didn't attract audiences is because, similarly to The Hobbit, the plot was really, really really dumbed down. It's the marvel effect, with cheap anti-climatic laughs. People here are so enthralled by anything Harry Pottery that most fail to see this simple fact. By all accounts these were pretty bad movies.
personally, i believe Albus found it it was his spell in a yet unseen battle with Grindelwald. When Harry mentions the Priori Incantatem, he instantly says "you saw your parents that night". He probably saw Arianna come from his wand in a duel with Grindelwald.
This is false as it was stated Harry's wand and voldemorts are twins so when they connected it caused priori icantatum that's the only reason that happened because their wands are twins.
@@NiNGeXx Prior Incantato is simply a charm that forced a wand to show an "echo" of the last spell it had performed. Its counter-charm was the Eradication Spell, which removed these images. it can happen unintentionally when they have core wands, but the spell can happen at other times. If the spell was the killing curse, it results in the spirit images. Amos Diggory cast this spell on Harry Potter's wand in the aftermath of the Death Eater attack at the 1994 Quidditch World Cup, in order to determine whether he conjured the Dark Mark over the campsite. Its probably what Bellatrix would have done to Hermiones wand at Malfoy Manor.
@@jazzgod21 Priori Incantatem is when two wands with twin cores collide&forces the losing wand to release echoes of the most recent spells. Priori Incantato is the charm that shows an echo of the last spell cast. With both of them-besides plot, the spells from that duel would not come out.
I think it'd be a smart move to literally wait the 12ish years from end of FB3 to when the final battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald takes place...and release a final FINAL installment of this series. This allows the actors to age up realistically, a breather for the bad PR that plagued the first 3 to be forgotten, giving the franchise the ability to wrap that story up with the centerpiece action being depicted, and...bring in a different actor for Grindelwald. Why? It would mean each installment will have had a different actor playing that role, making the recasting of Depp in FB2 be WAY LESS NOTICEABLE in rewatches. If it's just the norm that Grindelwald changes his face every few years, that abrupt change from JD to LM in FB3 seems more natural. Imo. Grindelwald becomes a sort of evil Doctor Who of sorts.
Gotta love how Warner Bros. response to the failure of the Fantastic Beasts series was simply "Screw it, let's just re-adapt the original Harry Potter books as a TV series!"
I always felt there would be another plot twist comming, already hinted by Rita Skeeter in the Harry Potter series - „that there was no spectacular duel of legend, but that Grindelwald simply conjured a white handkerchief from the end of his wand and came quietly“. As it was in the last Fantastic Beast movie when they both could not bring themself to actually kill each other, I think that this might have happened again but in a much more obvious situation. They duell in an epic way and somewhere during this duell Grindelwald disarmed Dumbledore but could not actually bring himself to kill him. Dumbledore could then get back his wand and disarm Grindelwald. Dumbledore would then learn from Grindelwald that this really was the elder wand and he was its master now. And it would also explain why he never again tried to excape and why he laughed at Voldemort and told him he would never understand the elder wand itself.
I think it would be epic as described by eye witnesses to Elphias Doge. Where Grindelwald forces amazing magic through the elder wand, even though I like this Ariana theory. That magic so powerful was used that actually made it completely terrifying. Fawkes with some epic magic against the Elder Wand. Master of Transfiguration Doubledore. We've seen him use water and fire. So seeing that and then Earth and Air based spells (he used one to slow Harry down that they called Arresto momentum but that was defensive). That light shield was epic against Voldy. Light armor at his prime world be epic. (Like Aang uses crystals and rocks). Allowing him to move faster as he's surrounded by his own magic. Overwhelming GG's power with astonishing magic even he can't comprehend. Like the earth spell I thought to show it's his B. The way he Avatared that water ball and created a fire tornado at death's door. An Earth Dragon that physically destroys Gellert while his ancient magic overwhelmed him mentally. And instead of surrendering he fights to the End but Dumbledore can't bring himself to do it but the unicorns he nearly brought to extinction think otherwise and deliver the magical final blows. With Dumbledore bringing the unicorns to the Forbidden Forest as a way to bring them back from the verge of extinction. (Since only one single dead one was shown but then a whole herd were revealed later as listening to Acting Professor Grubbly-Plank implying familiarity with Hogwarts staff). And we know for a fact Dumbledore provides Ollivander with wand cores. Building up to Grindelwald using unicorns the most powerful magical creatures that literally represent immortality. Move faster than werewolves (to the point where Hagrid completely dismissed one chasing down even a baby) and are only seen at Hogwarts Forbidden Forest across all mediums (so far). Always thought fourth film was gonna be about dragons. And the fifth film about unicorns. Since Newt himself in the passage he writes describes them as one of the most magical creatures there are. And we've seen a few of the others. So the scaling of what they're capable of is gonna be legendary. (Note no dragon has such a description). Shame that we'll never see it.
The franchise has not officially been cancelled. The showrunner has said that that there is no script currently for a next movie. The franchise has been put on hold as it were. So with a bit of luck if the new HBO Max Harry Potter show will be popular, they might continue with the Fantastic Beasts franchise. Fingers crossed!
Thankfully there are still people such as yourself(@chesron456) who can discern between what is fact and what is fiction. I'm on board with your assessment regarding this matter and will have my wands crossed along with you🪄.
@@StarForgedTCG - No, they did not. The original agreement was for three movies, and WB made a trilogy. Also, even if “Secrets of Dumbledore” earned $1bil at the box-office, the franchise would have been paused due to the cast and crew working on other projects. They were going to take a break regardless.
@@HarryPotterTheory maybe not I thought it’d be like ur take on the plot of each movies like basically writing it and telling us ur take 😂maybe optimistic but could be a cool video idea
Fantastic Beasts could have attempted the fourth installment by bringing Johnny Depp back as Grindelwald, which might have drawn audiences back to theaters. Due to his recent personal turmoil, Depp's career in major studio films has been in the shadows, so his return to a significant role could have rekindled interest in the series and brought people back to theaters. In the third installment, Mads Mikkelsen, who replaced him, also suggested handing back the role to Depp in the fourth installment following Johnny's trial victory.
@@megaham1552 Mads Mikkelsen is a fantastic actor as well, but that role was originally meant for Johnny Depp, and it's always nice to see the original actor return to a role.
@noksuboy5365 Not if the casting was not good from the start. Sorry, but I found that Mads is way better as Grindelwald. I could not pass over JD being JD instead of Grindelwald, so I was keep getting out of the story and universe during FB2. That's why I found FB3 better for me.
Why Tina had a drastically reduced role in Secrets: I think I read that actress Katherine contracted a prolonged case of COVID before production began, so Tina's role had to be rewritten By giving Bunty the bigger role and giving her Tina's role in the story.
I always felt that they maybe, wrote Jacob in to take Tina' roll, since in my opinion it doesn't male any sense to bring a totally helpless muggle to those wizrad fights.If he would have insisted to go by himself to rescue his love and the others finally agree because they relize how important it is to him and that he is willing to risk his life to just do something, I would have understood it, but they had to literally convince him to go with them. Why? (And i like Jacob the most of all of the fantastic beast charcters, but it STILL doesn' make any sense at the end of the day).
To me it makes sense. One of the objectives of his plan was to subvert the seer power by having more people he trusts and will follow his instructions in order to confuse Grindelwald or, at least, to make him miss something important.
The fantastic beasts story should have been another set of books first before they tried making films. Though it wouldnt do anywhere near as well for either medium at this point, its still not too late as its sadly the only real way we're gonna get a good ending for it. Plus honestly i'd take the chance to rewrite a few parts that really should have gone differently
The producers should see sense and give Depp the role of Grindelwald back now that he’s proven innocent. But we know how it ends. Dumbledore duels him for 3 hours and imprisons him in his own prison until Voldemort finds him seeking the Elder Wand
Awesome thoughts! The thing that stuck out most to me though was the timeline to when Nagini became a horocrux. The main stories state that Harry was to be the last one. This means Nagini was already a horocrux before the night Harry survived. Other than that, I think you’ve got some pretty good insight and I appreciate the quick recap of the films so far!
Harry to be the last Horcrux to die (otherwise Harry would have died too) ... doesn't matter what order they were made - hope that clears it up for you 👍
@@lizbird9628 respectfully, I disagree. I am unable to cite my conviction at this time, but there are several other people who agree with you, so I am willing to be wrong. However, I will state my conviction and maybe someone can site the text (not an online forum). I “remember” reading that Voldemort came to the Potters ready to make a horcrux. I “remember” (I think from Dumbledore) that his final horcrux would be made with *the Chosen One* (poetic, really, that lucky number seven would be made with “the one” who could defeat him). I do not remember anything about Bertha (Bathilda) becoming a horcrux, I thought Bertha (Bathilda) was worn as a skin by Nagini. That, in and of itself, does not mean that’s the time Nagini became a horcrux. I maintain she was a horcrux the entire time or Harry would not have been able to see through her eyes in Order of the Phoenix. Again, I cannot cite page number for the conversation, I think it’s in Half-blood Prince, but it will take me time to re-read the book.
@matthewnewbold8691 I'm not arguing the order that the horcrux's were made ... I also felt that in Goblet of fire - Harry sees from Nagini's perspective, Barty Crouch Jr with V, he felt like he killed the old man. Then in Order of Phoenix, he felt it was him who had attacked Mr.Weasley. Therefore, Nagini became a Horcrux at some point after Harry (most likely when "scabbers ran off at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban), but before that. I'm saying that when Dumbledore said Harry must be the last ... that he meant Harry needed to be the last to die.
Oh wait, I get you now - Voldemort intended Harry's death that night in Godricks Hollow to make his last Horcrux. His soul split into 7 pieces. Instead, this occurred with the death of Lilly rebounding on "love" magic Harry became the Horcrux. V didn't know that he made that Horcrux. Therefore, he created one in Nagini. This required a death ... we are led to believe that was Bertha Jorkins (Chapter 1) Goblet of Fire. Also this is when Frank dies ... Don't forget 7 pieces of soul (so 6 Horcrux's plus V himself makes the 7) 1. Voldemort 2. Diary 3. Ring 4. Locket 5. Goblet 6. Diadem 7. made Nagini, as he failed to kill Harry and make one in Godrick Hollow. (He didn't realise Harry was one till later).
I’m gonna say it: I LOVED the Fantastic beast series… The first one I thought was a great start. Wasn’t anything out of this world, but I enjoyed the story, enjoyed the characters (specifically Newt, which is one of the reasons I loved the ‘trilogy’ so much), and enjoyed all the magical aspects! The second one, I agree, was a bit mediocre. I came out of the theater not particularly disliking it, but not loving it either. I kinda completely forgot what happened after a few months. A few months after seeing it in theaters, I rewatched it and actually really enjoyed it! I agree it wasn’t perfect, and not as good as the first, but I still liked it in the end. Now the third I LOVED. I still can’t get over how much I enjoyed it. I think I can confidently say it’s my favorite Harry Potter movie of all time. I loved all the characters, I was intrigued with the story, and THE MAGIC AND FIGHTS WERE AWESOME.
She should have created a written canon first. If she didn't want to start a new series of novels, she could have guided another author to do it, or perhaps a graphic novel. THEN they could have created adapted screenplays with more depth than whatever the final cut was that came from the editor. If something hit the cutting room floor, it would still have existed in the original work can could be used later.
Exactly to be honest. All of these spin offs would probably be significantly better if they started off as well thought out, established story following novels, and were then made into movies. Rather than really mediocre, contradictory scripts and plays being put out and Rowling putting her name onto them. Obviously Rowling has done well enough off the original Harry Potter series meaning there probably isn’t much incentive to write more long(ish) series set in that world, but the quality would have been significantly higher if she had. Not that the spin offs are necessary. No sequel is really needed at all, and the prequels, while they had potential as stories were terribly executed and have honestly been rather underutilised.
So sad that this series was cancelled. I wanted to see the outcomes of Jacob and Queenie, and Newt and Tina. Both were such wonderful couples. And of course, I'm sure the advent of Riddle would have been worked into the story, as well as the Nagini narrative.
Wait I think there is a mistake about Newt and Tina. You said they had a son named Rolf and he married Luna making them great-grandparents. But Rolf was their grandson not their son.
Not quite as much as the originals but I love the Fantastic Beasts films because they have a unique charm, especially the first two and I was sad to not see it finished.
I liked The Secrets of Dumbledore and thought it was okay, but I guess they consider anything less than a blockbuster hit a failure. It wasn't a failure, but it wasn't a hit either. It was 'meh' all around. Losing J. Depp certainly was unacceptable to many fans and Ezra Miller's issues wasn't helpful either.
I think a major aspect of the Fantastic Beasts failure was due to the over reliance of Credences character to help drive the narrative, while you already had such a massive driving force, that being Dumbledore and Grindelwald. After film one there was zero purpose to Credence’s existence in the franchise and it ultimately led to the highly controversial detail of him being a Dumbledore. Especially when it went against canon pretty hard. He could’ve remained simply as a muggle born who was an Obscurial that died at the end of the movie. That’s that. But keeping him around without reason was highly unnecessary and in the end led to disaster. I also find your Ariana’s Death theory pretty interesting. I always thought (since the introduction of the concept of an Obscurus) that Ariana was herself an Obscurus and during a feud between Albus, Aberforth, and Grindelwald, where they began dueling, had an outburst of Dark Obscurial magic that killed her.
I wonder if Nagini even remembered any of her human past. Maledictus eventually lose their entire human memories. They'll eventually give in completely to their animal side; that includes memories.
It doesn't seem likely that Rolf Scamander would be the son of Newt. Rather I think he's the grandson. Just look at the timeline and age difference this would have put between Luna and Rolf.
I’m pretty sure Voldemort survived by possessing animals without a body of his own, so the meeting between Nagini and Voldemort might have literally been like two snakes bumping into each other and striking up a chat and realizing they’re both *sort of* human.
Fantastic Beasts Movies were Excellent but people had more Expectations they started comparing those movies to the Iconic Harry Potter Series. If they were seen Differently they would have been Iconic too in a Different Way.
I'm certain Fantastic Beasts 4 and 5 would've been like The Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith of the Harry Potter franchise. Everything connecting together, the ancestors of Harry Potter's generation being introduced, and the overall stage being set for the Harry Potter movies to take shape. Such a shame this didn't come to pass for obvious real world reasons. This "trilogy" ended similarly to the Narnia movies made by Disney and Fox where they had to cut it short in part 3 despite more movies being planned. Which is why the third film ended on a satisfying note, even though Lucy said they had a lot more adventures in Narnia after the war ended but those were other stories for another time. Basically giving up and not adapting the remaining books into film.
They should have made Fantastic beats a standalone film. Newt had no business being caught up in Dumbledores machinations. The Dumbledore vs Grindewald should have been it's own trilogy culminating in the legendary duel
It should have been called "Dumbledore's back story". While I liked the movies, I wanted more creatures and more tricky situations, ya' know, Fantastic BEASTS. I guess I didn't realize the direction of the story was going to center on Dumbledore so much. I certainly didn't get that impression from the first movie.
As I have stated before, the Elder wand had "allegiance" to no one, hence why it is so "temperamental". The Elder wand never "selected" a witch or wizard. The Elder wand whose true owner was Death was "given" to Perveral without the wand "selecting" him. Therefore he was not the owner and every time the wand changed hands from then on, it merely was passed to whomever was the strongest. Again with it not "selecting" an owner. This is why no one could wield the wand to it's fullest potential, including Voldermort after he stole the wand from Dumbledore's tomb. The true owner became Harry Potter when he "defeated" Death in the Deathly Hallows. This is why Tom Riddle could not defeat Harry in their duel at Hogwarts. The wands "allegiance" was with Harry and therefore would not harm him and allowed Tom to be defeated.
I've always figured it was Harry getting up after Voldemort killing him in the forest that really won the wand's allegiance. By getting up after that, he'd managed to literally overpower death, the wand's true master.
Got into 2:50 mark where you say about it 'halting' it wasn't halted, it was cancelled. Since first they had to hire a new person for Grindlewald, but then a certain actor, Ezra, fucked right up and ruined everything even more by doing crimes, so Warner bros just couldn't replace another actor again when he played a big role. he might have *barely* avoided prison by paying tons of money, but Warner bros isn't the type to hire back people who they see as 'criminals'. Yes they say 'indefinitely paused' which is just fancy words for.. Cancelled.
I mean who wants a child abducter to Promo Tour for a children's movie? And There is even video material of ezra body slamming a girl... and had half a dozen victims and even more witnesses claiming similar occasions. Grindelwald was exchanged for less evidence.
Grindlewald had the Elder Wand for a short time, and during the duel Ariana subdued Gelart, temporarily give her ownership of the Elder Wand. Then Dumbledore accidentally killed Ariana making him the master of the wand. GG flees and all the while AD was the true master of the wand. When the legendary duel took place, the wand although in GG possession, he wasn’t the master of it. Just like in DH book 7, the wand went to Harry after a period of time; hence why the fight/duel was so intense as GG was no joke, and neither was AD. Sadly, we’ll never see the duel, but that’s my take on what happened; although I maybe wrong! 😂
The casting was so great, but the story made no sense. Grindlewald should have had his own series with Dumbledore. I’m fine with the first movie ending with Grindlewald being caught inadvertently with the help of Scamanders beasts. But I would have loved to see more movies with Newt finding more beasts with Kowalski tagging along. I would have loved to see Kowalski being such a help and indispensable partner that MACUSA eventually allows Kowalski to walk into Ilvermorny to teach a Magical Beasts class there based on his adventures with Newt. Maybe receiving statue there cementing his legacy as a NoMaj that was able to gain love in the wizarding world and his contributions forever remembered.
People who only watched the films would see many of Newts beast as "New" but us old D.A. lags knew exactly what the niffler and bowtruckle were even the demiguise immediately upon seeing them.
I’m with you!! They were never meant to be like the Harry Potter series! They are meant for a more grownup sort of audience and are their own story, set in early 1900s and bringing in the world wars in the muggle world would to me not be so appealing if I were still a child!! I honestly am very sad because, how can any Harry Potter fan honestly say they don’t want to see the famous duel between Dumbledore and Grindlewald? Like really? Dragons!! Unicorns!!! Tom Riddle being born?? So much of this we just heard about in Harry Potter, when he Got Dumblores card on the train to Hogwarts!!! I want to see the damn fight brought to life!!!!
@@lesliecastillologan5224 exactly! You can’t have basically one of the most wanted to see things in the original series basically hinted at in the ending of the last film and not follow through with it! It was the most legendary duel of all time. And we want ittttt 😂😫
@@nickstahhhh it feels so good to hear someone else who feels the exact same way that I do!! Every other so called wizarding world lover just hates on fantastic beasts and I think if they could watch the most amazingly legendary duel of all time that they would change their minds!!! Warner Bros. Please give the true fans what they want!!!!! I seriously want to see the Dragons and the Unicorns and just epic elemental old ass magic 🪄 brought to life. I’m getting goosebumps thinking about it!! 🥹🤤
@@lesliecastillologan5224 it would be epic if they could incorporate everything that was hinted at that’s for sure! Hopefully the series that’s meant to be taking instruction from JK Rowling will include a lot of the stuff we never got to see at least during that time period. I feel like fantastic beasts did a decent enough job of including a variety of things for it’s time period. But I totally get where your coming from! I’m looking at planning a trip to Scotland to do a HP tour. Cannot wait 👌🏻😫
@@nickstahhhh I hope they do!! Surely somebody is on our side!! I think that’s so cool that you are going to Scotland! My family has like a few castles in Scotland!! So if you just so happen to be near any of the “Stormont” castles please do tell 🙏!
I think the films will continue. But time is needed after everything and to re evaluate and consider where to go next and ensure the story stays cohesive. I thought the plots did well but so much emptiness in scenes and actions were evident
I really enjoyed these movies but what made me angry was warner bros treatment of Johnny Depp. Love Mads but Johnny made grindelwald. It was more the company than the movie for my dislike. But glad to see your video filling in the blanks ❤
The Fantastic Beast series died for me when they villainized Johnny Depp for nothing more than accusations, while his ex was crapping on his bed and beating and degrading him on a daily basis.
I don't understand why it was cancelled in the first place. Just because 1 film wasn't as good as the others doesn't mean you give up on it; you go back, fix the mistakes, and make the next one better. There needs to be one more film to tie up all the loose ends: FANTASTIC BEASTS AND WHERE TO FIND THEM: McGONAGALL'S MISSION. We need to know why she had access to a time turner, being just a teacher. And what was she doing in a time before her birth. Was she on a mission for the Ministry, or was it personal?
I just view at as an article by The Quibbler, which is why things like Dumbledore teaching D.A.D.A instead of Transfiguration, and McGonagall being there are there. But to be honest, i think the First 12 Aurors of MACUSA or The Marauders would make for much better story imo
The Johnny Depp - Grindelwald was the reason why the franchise is not profitable. The story actually bring you back when Dumbledore was young and why there were so few wizards and witches back then.
I got the first movie on dvd but when I saw scenes from the next movie I skipped it. I didn't understand why Dumbledore would wear a suit especially a normal suit as the only time he wears one in the books it's a vibrant shade of plum I believe.
What destroyed “Fantastic Beasts”, was poor marketing and WB wanting to turn a quick buck. It was unrealistic to think decent screenplays could have been written for a franchise that was scheduled to release an installment every other year. Especially, since novels are a completely different medium to films. On top of that the likes of Ezra Miller, Johnny Depp, and what’s-her-face-who-played-Tina should never have been cast. Miller is disgusting, Depp’s career was dead long before Amber Heard, and what’s-her-face cannot act. The rest of the cast was pretty good, and deserved to be in a better-written franchise. Especially, since there was tons of potential and the course correction proved such.
If Warner Brothers doesn't want to make anymore movies of the fantastic beasts series......maybe they coud just write it in book form. That way, they save money by not making a movie, but still give those who are diehard fans of the series a satisfying conclusion.
This franchise would have been more successful if A) they didn't mess with Johnny Depp who as it turns out was a victim of domestic violence. Literally lost a finger tip. Many people boycotted it because of that B) not kept Ezra Miller after is multi month rampage and video evidence of him assaulting women and children. Many people boycotted the movie because of that C) had a more cohesive story that was more true to the spirit of Harry Potter and less focus on touching on current year issues. D) if warner bros advertized the movies better and stuck to highlighting characters people actually did like. F) stick to established continuity. McGonagall wasn't at the school yet. Its not fan service if it breaks continuity. G) have people who actually like harry potter involved in the creation of these movies.
They failed because they were too dark and depressing. What draws many of us to the magical world is the sheer wonder and escapism it provides. If we wanted to see such dark things, we would watch the news.
In "Deathly Hallows" Rita Skeeter claims the big duel between Grindelwald and Dumbledore was a hoax and Grindelwald probably just surrendered without a fight. The Fact that Rita could even try to make this claim implies here were no other witness to the duel, just some nasty aftermath. So its my headcanon that Grindelwald spent a half-hour getting clobbered by Newt's beasts, then surrendered his wand to Dubledore when he turned up, and Dumbleldore is (falsely) given sole credit for the capture.
The biggest mistake they made in my opinion was trying to cramp every prequel idea into one continuous movie series. An anthology series (maybe with all the different heros coming together in the last movie to defeat Grindelwald) would've worked much better, giving every single story more breething room, without having to mash stories and concepts that frankly don't belong together into the same movie.
Looking at it now, I think they lost the source of the original plot with introducing Grindelwald and Dumbledore in the 2nd movie which felt like it was taking over fantastic beasts premise (newt and his various creatures) and dumbledore’s story could have been another separate series, ending with either the defeat of Grindelwald or ending with him becoming a professor at Hogwarts. Honestly that is what I figured, that it would just be the entire textbook and the various wizarding creatures, Newt possibly traveling about documenting these creatures. Though I wondered how that would be done and wondered if they’d do a movie in Quidditch Through the Ages.
Voldemort: "Dinner, Nagini." Nagini: "Dude, I am literally heartbroken right now sssssssssssssssssssssssss but I'm hangry sssssssso I want tassssssssssty humanz for the fabulousssssssssssly ssssssssssexy ssssssssssnake goddessssss that isssssss mysssssself"
I just broke down and watched the fantasy beast series. I agree it needs another chance but will never be as iconic as Harry Potter itself. Maybe they will bring back Johnny Deep?!?
The recasting of Grindelwald ruined it, they need to start over, reboot the whole thing from the start with a new cast. And sign the new actors to long contracts for the whole series, recasting the key protagonist or villain of a series midway is going to always ruin it
I remember going to see Secrets of Dumbledore in the cinema. I was in London for work, I had some time before work started so I went to one of the cinemas in Leicester Square, quite a popular place in London. I was the only person watching the movie, and it was in IMAX which felt so weird being the only one there.
In Germany the Cinema was Filles as regular...even though We chose a day and time with little Traffic. Mainly jobless young men were watching...and Teen boys who skipped school.
I want to see the duel and get more of the story. I wish they hadn't shortened the timeline of Dumbledore and Grindevald to a few short weeks of summer. I think that was a HUGE mistake. I always got the impression that Dumbledore fled to the safety of Hogwarts because something happened (other than Ariana's death) that caused him to rethink his choices. Choice is paramount in the HP canon and Dumbledore constantly reminds Harry that you choose to be what you are. In the books, Dumbledore hints at something in his past that made him make the choice to never be within reach of power. And keep in mind the Deadly Hallows quest - which bound Dumbledore and Grindevald together. Until......what? I mean what exactly happened between those two that made them make the blood pact AND then had Dumbledore fleeing to Hogwarts instead of being a bad ass Auror? The guilt over his sister's death is too easy.
I actually really liked the first fantastic beasts movie. It took place in the same wizarding world with the same basic rules as Harry Potter, but showed us a different era, different country, and introduced many new, likable characters. The magical creatures were all quite interesting, and were a great expansion on existing Harry Potter lore. The plot was also a great beginning-to-end story, and ended with a satisfying conclusion for all the characters. This should have been the only 'Fantastic Beasts' move made. If Warner Brothers wanted to tell other Harry Potter stories, they should have just branded them as stories about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and not shoehorned the 'fantastic beasts' concept into them, with all the characters from the first movie. It resulted in cluttered plots and generally weak movies for the 2 sequels, and appeared as gnerally a lame marketing move by WB to capitalize on audience recognition from the first film.
I like the "Arianna stole the Elder Wand" theory. Does anything Dumbledore say during Harry's death vision conversation indicate whether he *still* didn't know who cast the spell, or just that neither knew?
Dumbledore never knew. In fact, it is strongly indicated that Dumbledore feared priory incantatum from a duel with Grindelwald, suggesting that his wand and the elder wand were brothers. Which also seems likely given that theres a good chance Antioch created the elder wand and that his brothers created wands simmilar to their brothers’ and that Dumbledore may have been a descendant of either cadmus or ignotus and thus couldve come to posses one of their wands.
@@anderssanggaard6215 Priori Incantatum can be cast without wands needing to be brothers. If I remember rightly, Barty Crouch Sr cast it on Harry's wand to prove it was the one that cast the Dark Mark after the World Quidditch match. This doesn't disprove your claim of the Elder Wand having a brother though.
The films started great (I LOVED Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them), but the whole thing quickly went off the rails. There were too many characters introduced for fan service that absolutely should not have been there. McGonagal. Changing Grindelwald's actor so much also didn't help. Personally, I always thought neither Depp nor Mikkelsen were right for the part. Both are great actors, but neither is all that good looking. I got the feeling that Grindelwald (like Tom Riddle after him) was likely a good looking man who convinced people to follow him by sheer charisma. Mikkelsen is not that person and Depp is to old to be that person any more. As far as Nagini, I've always wondered if Nagini the snake and Nagini the person were even really the same. When the maletictus curse finally took her for good, did the snake Nagini ever recall even being human? If so, did she still remember it by the time Voldemort found her in the forrest? Finally, I'm disappointed we never got to see Newt's patronus. I hear somebody asked Rowling what it is in a Q&A, and she said that telling would be a big spoiler. Sadly, that spoiler is for stuff we'll now never see. (My own theory is that his patronus is a human being because he is of the mind that people are animals the same as any other.)
I’m glad that you brought up what Rowling said about Newt’s patronus. What she said tells us that Dementors were probably going to appear in a later film and kind of just makes me even more curious as to what the plot of the final two films was planned to be
@@AustynSN Yes that’s true. I forgot the patronus charm works on those as well. They did actually have concept art for Lethifolds when they were producing the first film, so perhaps it is more likely the Lethifolds were going to show up at some point rather than the Dementors
@@matthewhindmarsh9084 Honestly, the Lethifolds vs Dementors showing up later would have exemplified what I think made the first Fantastic Beasts so great vs what I think caused the series to go off the rails. The first film (Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them) was great because while it was in a familiar world, it was unfamiliar characters. The whole thing was set in a time period long before what we were familiar with. The location setting and sidekick were familiar to much of the audience (an American in America), but the main character was somebody whose name we knew, but who we knew nothing about. He was as far from the courageous "traditional" hero (Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, Superman, Indiana Jones, etc) as one could be. He could barely even look at people while talking to them, but has such a mastery and love of animals that he interacts with and understands them on their own terms almost perfectly. Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure Newt might be on the spectrum. The most familiar character in the film is the villain, Grindelwald, who spends most of the film in a disguise. When the second film comes around, there's so much desperate fan service and desire to shoehorn in familiar characters that they end up putting McGonagal in for no real reason as a teacher before she's even born. I will admit I liked the introduction of Nagini, but that was a completely different character than the monster she eventually became. Even if Grindelwald was going to be the overall villain and this is the story of Dumbledore's eventual defeat of him in 1945, the focus should still have stayed on Newt, Jacob, Tina Queenie, and Credence. I will admit that the end of Crimes of Grindelwald left some great cliffhangers (Credence/Aurelius's true Identity. Queenie's turn. Nagini remaining with the heroes. The identity of the drown vs rescued babies. "The wings of water" phrophecy.) However, in the third film (Secrets of Dumbledore), the creators had obviously just gotten bored and decided to end it all with a lame plot and a milquetoast conclusion that wasn't even earned. (Why are Jacob and Queenie getting married when they've been apart for well over a year and still have a lot to work out?) Worst of all from a story telling perspective, they missed the chance for one of the greatest cliffhanger endings in cinematic history. It could have been talked about on the same level as "I am your Father" and The Snap. Instead of the idiocy of the qilin bowing to Dumbledore (whose dark past should preclude it from choosing him), The qilin looks around. It seemingly walks towards Newt. Then it turns sharply and bows to Jacob who is right next to him. Chaos erupts as the entire assembly starts screaming curses with battles, explosions and destruction suddenly all over the place. The Camera focuses and closes in on Jacob's shocked face as he looks down at the qilin in confusion. The sound of all the destruction and chaos around him slowly goes down at the same time. (Not quiet, but it becomes muffled background noise) Screen fades to black. Roll Credits.
