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This is so funny. The Emperor must have taken a break from his fight with giths to muster up all of his strength to carry the artefact. I never thought of it this way 😄.
The Shadowheart interaction is pretty much a frustrated Dungeon Master stopping just short of yelling at the players to "take the hint and bring her into your damned party already! ... Fine, there's something in your pocket now. No, don't roll, it's just there.'"
Yes that's a weak spot in the game, it's a pity that the devs did not take time to make something more believable and just tell you to that you have it, shut up it's magic! That was the same with the queen at the crèche, if you refuse to give the artefact and kill everybody it doesn't change anything.
She does die at the bridge at the hands of the gith if you're not there to help her fight them, though, I'm pretty sure. You can also resurrect her right then, I think, but only if you haven't already recruited her. If you recruited her before, and then when she ran off to meet the gith you leave, she dies and can't be resurrected.
@@AlexisTheDragon lol until that dumb chicken met her own "dragon warriors or whatever" at the bridge, then they slaughter her like she is noone, (yeah i didn't interrupt, why would I? she is dumb as a brick)
@@cridow If you sneak into the mountain pass (Act 1.5) via the tunnel at the Goblin Camp you can find Lae'zel studying the gith markings looking for the creche. This gets her as far as Act 2...
It was mighty lucky for her the door was sturdy because she wouldn't have lasted a single turn had she stepped on a pressure plate. The sarcophagus area was fully booby trapped.
@@kapitainein Maybe not. She was usually the one to see those traps, probably because high Wisdom means a high Perception. They are all avoidable if you see them, you just can't get into the sarcophagus. I don't know if she could handle the undead on her own, though. Be interesting to find out.
@@seannemo8076 You can actually! If you open the sarcophagus, it will trigger the traps. But if you just shoot the button on the wall, it will disable them all again.
Well i have played the game as intended 4 times and for the fifth i just did this, ignoring the "forced "companions and just hired some from Withers. Strangely it was more enjoyable for me to play with them, i felt so free, the constant banter and discussion had started to get on my nerves after 4 playthrough, i needed silence ! 😁For me Laezel was killed at the bridge, i did not intervene during that scene and went away, i found her corpse much later.
Well, my release playthrogh, was close to that. I've met everyone, but refuse them to join, since i roleplayed The Dark Urge paladin, that doesn't want to hurt anyone. The only origin characters in my party was Karlach and Wyll. I couldn't refuse her because of the bug. There was no dialog line that I didn't need her. And then Wyll has come to the camp for her, and Karlach asked him to join.
@@kapitainein also since posting this comment I remembered I did a run specifically to see if I could avoid Shart and the artifact. If you leave to the mountain without going to the goblin camp (or maybe I snuck in and didn’t cross the bridge?) then there’s a very interesting scene with her that… well I find it funny. Haha
@@cianakril I aggressivly avoided spoilers until I finished the game, that mixed with moving home, work and a terminal case of restartitis meant that I've only just recently started checking out BG3 videos.
It is interesting to see that, Tav has a really critical role to play, which actually brings these origin characters together, and literally decides on their fate. Giving players this responsibility and power makes the game even more immersive.
So true. I also like how the party members automatically consider you leader of the group making it easier for you to forge your relationships with all them.
Its really interesting seeing how much they put into Lae'zel traversing all of act one and into act two on her own almost a shame we couldn't see most of the other origin characters trying to make it on their own
@@kapitainein I think it would have been appropriate if Astarion had stayed at/around his spot on the coast, but making goofier and goofier lines to get attention. "Oh, look at that extremely attractive person over there! Won't you come help a poor, weak, equally-if-not-more-attractive elf?" And if you spawn the Hunter near Auntie Ethel, after a or two day you can find his corpse that rats on Astarion if you use speak with dead.
lae'zel lying there on the ground in the shadowlands nearly brought a tear to my eye. she's so capable and so full of determination and agency. they did such a good job with her character. i love that she comes to the realization that vlaakith is lying on her own (when you talk to voss at camp). you can let her make her own decisions and she usually comes out on top. given, she does kill innocent people but tbh i don't really fault her for killing people when she's been raised by space nazis and bred for war. her capacity for growth and change is immeasurable though. such an amazing character. i'm sure she could come to similar realizations about the sanctity of life and the value of innocents.
You excellently sum up why she's my favorite romance option and character. The development of her relationship with you, from scorn to respect and admiration, is incredibly well done.
My only problem with Lae'zel is her bickering about betraying Mr Squid: "We must free Orpheous! We must free Orpheous! We must free Orpheous! We must free Orpheous!". It's all she cares about! If you don't, she whines about it and becomes a hermit or a husk, if you do, you must become Mr Squid. If only Mr Squid and Orpheous worked together... Because of this, I never go with Orpheous.
@@soupstoreclothing makes it worse looking at her story and realizing that more than anything else, the reason she acts the way she does is because she is scared witless.
I watched my brother kill Astarion at the very beginning because he was doing a solo honor mode run, then carry his body in his camp chest all the way till the beginning of act 3, then revived him and it played the dialogue as if you revived him right after killing him in act 1 except everything was super bright like you were speaking to Astarion in heaven or something
Lmao Mystra’s ultimate plan for Gale failing because he died in a random portal on a random cliffside, not even making it anywhere near the netherbrain is funny asf Might as well just hold on to that netherese bomb instead😂
In most instances Tav will probably be killed no long after reaching the Sword Coast, like those other origin characters. It's only through the magic of turn-based combat and saving/loading games they Tav becomes the hero that Fae'run needs.
@@Avantime Tav maybe, Dark Urge makes it all the way to act 3 if you don't play as him. Which is fitting because Durge and Gale are the candidates for being the "highest level" pre-mindflayers, or just look at the statlines for the other chosen and realize how far you've fallen.
I know that in early access, Larian had Shadowheart attack you at camp if you didn't recruit her inside the Nautiloid, on the beach at the door of the crypt, or in the druids' grove. It is interesting that Larian changed it for the full game.
@@kapitaineinbasically what would happen she said a voice in her head wouldn’t stop talking and saying she HAD to travel with you. She starts going mildly insane from it and you either have to talk her down and recruit her (she’ll go back to normal) or reject her and she tries to stab you. There’s probably still some videos from various people who played EA 😊
@@kapitainein thank you for the video though, I knew what happened to Astarion and Gale, but not the others. If you leave Gale, it's sort of like what happened to Karsus if you think about it.
@@TheUglyFish I am not sure why but Gale liked me big time but Lazzel like "Kick puppies with me!" And Shadowheart was just a H a g. I physical hate her voice abd rather hang with Laz, atleast if you kick puppies you good. 😂
I missed Gale, Karlach AND Wyll on my first playthrough. Didn’t explore enough to see Karlach, didn’t touch the portal to meet Gale and straight up walked past Wyll because I was interested in the Grove more 😂
Me too, the game taught me to fear dangerous looking things in the nautilus with the brine pool so I didnt dare touch the unstable crazy portal. I went straight past the Grove to the goblin camp, rescued halsin, never met Wyll. And some paladins told me, also a paladin, to murder a demon... so I did. Got a good sword for Lae'zel. Now I have to do the whole game again 😅
Something about everyone, except Lae'zel, just waiting for you to help them is just so funny. Karlach stands there bleeding for days; Wyll's important missing to hunt the dangerous devil is on hiatus; Gale is stuck in a portal for all eternity. And Shadowheart on her important mission for Lady Shar, now minus the artifact? Just waits for death I guess. I still wonder how Astarion made it to Baldur's Gate tho. Did he actually manage to get there on his own? Was he captured by Cazador's lackeys and brought back? I refuse to believe Astarion might be the most competent of the bunch 🥲
If this happens with Astarion, by the time you reach the Gur camp in act 3, I think the Gur are still all slaughtered. Like they'd be when you hand Astarion to Gandrel yourself. Because Cazador sends his other vampires after him. So it's likely that in this scenario, Gandrel still catches him even without your help and drags him to Baldur's Gate. And the Gur still die by Cazador's spawn
@@kapitainein Lol I guess he quite literally could... Apparently Gandrel is strong enough to one-punch Astarion into unconsciousness and then throw him over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes...
It’s weird how much more effort they put on laezel over all the others. She is the only to truly have her own path when ignored, and also the only one to have a dedicated cutscene on the endings.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Laezel cutscene (I assume you mean the one where she meets Vlakith) something that was added in a recent patch (honour mode patch iirc)?
@@exantiuse497 no idea, i played first after this patch was already rolling. But this don’t change the fact they flashed out her more than all other in the endings, even without the cutscene she have more to say and do depending on the choices, while the others is just a quick few seconds, and then a bunch of text in the dinner party before credits. If this isn’t Larian playing favorites i don’t know what is XD.
Idk... She doesn't have the most content, I'd say she's just the most related to the main story. I'd say they put in as much effort for her as Astarion. He has the most cutscenes and his character quests/romance require a lot of attention to succeed - not to mention they are only relevant to him and don't move the story forward. I do cazador, Raphael, and the gur everytime anyway. But he has plenty of content. Literally the most.
Astarion objectively has the worst fate of the bunch while the others simply die. One could argue that Gale might come close what with him being trapped alone in that portal but poor Astarion was most likely tortured for days or weeks before potentially being sacrificed. That's the reason I could never do a completely solo run. I refuse to let my favorite character suffer more than he already has.
Gale is petmanently trapped in between material plane and astral plane... He does not age in there so he kinda is stuck forever. Idk if thats better than astarion
@@BlastOffer isn't the canon that he explodes inside the portal? like he can't get ahold of magical items so eventually he just self destructs, but doesn't harm anyone since it's contained?
@@poppygrimoire9520 Unless intention is confirmed by the developera and lead designer, time works differently in astral plane, aging, hunger, etc. Is halted or extremely slow depending on edition and that applies to the orb. So I guess EVENTUALLY it blows up ... But how many thousands or tens of thousands of years is that gonna be?
Doesn’t surprise me that none of the origin characters get far without tav/durge’s help, they all have a tadpole in their heads and as much as a stuck up a-hole the Emperor is. His aid in using Orpheus is the only thing that’s keeping everyone from becoming Mindflayers. The prism ultimately ends up in tav/durge’s hands and no one else, so without it the other characters weren’t gonna make it far to begin with.
to be totally fair, only the holder of the prism would get far, so by that rule if Tav/Durge doesn't recruit any of them to the party.... they should die as well XD only Shadowheart would get to survive
@@dan_mnght well the thing is the game forces u to run into shadowheart once u get to the goblin camp. At that point u can still deny partnering up with her. However later that night, the prism ends up in tav/durge’s hands. Which means that the Emperor manages to swindle the prism away from Shadowheart and give it to u. Partnering with shadowheart still is optional but the prism itself ends up with tav/durge no matter what. The Emperor wants it in ur hands and no one else’s.
I didn’t find Laezel after the nautiloid fell, and I found her dead body where the giths were standing (near the Mountains path). I revived her after the fight and she continued her way with me.
@@kapitaineinon my first playthrough Laezel didn't say please when I found her in the cage so I left her, she died while fighting the gith, I could resurrect her and she joined
So here's a weird thing. I have a play through where I intend to side with the Emperor. Now Lae'zel died on the Natoloid, and her body was laying on the beach. So I figured cool, I just won't bother resurrecting her. Her body managed to teleport all the way to the Shadowlands.
I have a similiar issue, but with Halsin. He was killed by Dror Ragzlin in my Honour mode run. I left his corpse in Goblin Camp, but game constantly puts his corpse in my camp (regardless of location). I guess I'll have to throw into chasm to fix it.
She died unrecruited in the battle with the Gith Patrol for me (her 12 hp never stood a chance). I found her body in the mountain pass and the Shadowlands :)
Companions dying causes wonky things to happen. Dead Laezel teleports between regions, Halsin's body appears in your camp in Act 2, and if Wyll dies and is revivified before you first recruit him he may disappear from your camp when you rest (although his cutscenes involving the devil will still play out - and he appears in his underwear)
@@Matriarchator Larion truly is the most railroading DM ever when it comes to "guys we paid these people so much money to do voicework for these characters please interact with them pleasepleaseplease." No and stop tossing their dead bodies at me.
She still lives in Shadowlands, but the only problem is that she has no torch, therefore player must be fast to catch her before she dies. You can still recruit her if you are fast.
@@ardex9677 tracks with how they thought lae'zel couldnt get down from that basic tiefling trap and supposedly dies in it [they ended up fixing it bc it made no sene]
Astarion’s the only one that makes it to act 3 though. That’s the act when you get all the OP stuff so organically without plot armour he’s got the best chance imo.
i already knew how sad and heartbreaking astarion's no-meet ending is, so i knew what i'll see, but laezel's genuinely broke my heart, and here i never even cared for her before. but to imagine this basically a child desperately wandering around, looking for clues, knowing that her people and the cure are so close somewhere, while her clock is on a countdown, and then attempting to go through shadow cursed lands because she was out of options and probably thought that it's her weakness that she wasn't strong and cunning enough to find the creche. and knowing that her biggest fear was to die without leaving a mark, not ascending, not riding a dragon, not having a silver sword... and that's exactly how she died. seriously, if we just didn't see her anymore and that's it, but the fact that she made it on her own so far makes it sadder.
True. She was a fighter, a strong woman who's aim was to ascend to be with her goddess Vla'kith. It would have been better if we could find her inside a mind flayer pod where Mizora was so we could rescue her and perhaps recruit her there. As Voss Kith'Rak rightly pointed out - 'Regal even'.
I was hoping Lae’Zel would be the hero of her own story. It would be really cool if she just kept making her way along and in the end being an ally or enemy depending on how you go about ending the game.
Or in one of the mind flayer pods waiting to be either released or be turned into a mind flayer. The story arc of Lae'zel suggested by you is brilliant.
I feel like Shadowheart should have had one more chance of being recruited-- Act 2, since she's immune to most of the curse. And you find her right by the Underdark entrance to the Shadow Cursed Lands as soon as you get off the lift. The artifact still appears in your inventory if you go into the Mountain Pass without her, but if you go through to Act 2 via the Underdark first, she still has it on her person, as you run into her right at the start, when you get off the lift. If you still refuse her here, then the artifact appears to you during your next long rest (or when you change regions the first time) or right as you enter the Gaunlet of Shar if you somehow haven't done either by then. At that point, in either case, and only then, does she stop being recruitable and disappears (implying she met her demise offscreen somewhere) That would have been cool since that'd have made her the only companion to survive till Act 2, which makes sense considering what the artifact does and that she holds it. Although I very much see why Larian didn't go with this route as already my suggestions add a lot more routes to account for 😅
Shes just a little girl at the end of the day being told what to do by her goddess. Not even having the self respect to have her own memories, there is ofc no way she should ever make it to act 2.
For shadowheart, if you skipped goblin camp by going underdark via jumping into the chasm at the phase spiders, she appears instead at grymforge right before you try to take the elevator
What in the nine hells was she doing at the Grymforge? I suppose the 'voices' were guiding her all along. No, really, that's an interesting find. I guess the devs were thinking - "what if you try to take the underdark route to avoid Shadowheart?" 😃
Lae’zel's story is saddening, she walked alone to the creche to be purified, somehow survived the operation but probably still carries the tadpole. Then she was sent either to search for the artifact or as a foot soldier towards Moorise tower... without any protection. if she had a shadow vestige, it could perfectly be the one that says: "In her former life, this girl played in the nearby woods. She was always the best at climbing trees." PS: her tadpole does not survive the curse either right?
Just finished reading your thoughts on Lae'zel. I don't know how but your reasoning about Lae'zel going to shadowland seemed very practical. The tadpole usually survives after death of the carrier but the tadpole surviving the Necrotic blight is completely different.
You can skip the Shadowheart interaction near the goblin camp. Use Druid wildshape before you approach the bridge. Note, your whole party must be in an animal form or far away from the bridge.
@@JohnMcTrollson When a female Tav says this, I'm like - O my goddo let's get her a bag. When a male Tav speaks these words - Listen buddy, that is only an 8 kg armour.
Hey, just wanted to use your most recent video to say this: Thank you for posting all of the crazy, wild, different outcomes on your channel. I don't have the time to go through every single possibility - and saving and reloading at every critical conversation immensely breaks my immersion and enjoyment. I appreciate you for what you do.
In my first playthrough I was scared silly and avoided anything that looked like trouble. The moment my Tav got a shock from the portal, I was like - eff this thing, Imma outta here asap.
You forgot the interaction with Wyll if you have recruited Karlach but have ignored him. He shows up at your camp and you have to choose between Wyll, Karlach, or deescalation.
Nah. He is horribly evil for sure, as fitting for a vampire, but he's got nothing on devils. The game isn't too explicit about it but DnD devils like to do some truly disgusting stuff - and they're much more capable of it than a vampire since they don't need to stop the torture when the victim dies, given that they torment the soul. You do get a taste of it if you look around the House of Hope - my "favorite" is the guy that's forced to take a dump in a pot, then eat it, over and over... for all of eternity
I've seen that you can actually save lae'zel in the shadowlands, but you need to get to her asap once you get there, or she runs out of self healing, and than you find her dead.
I remember that in previous patches if you avoided interacting with Shadowheart at all, once you got at the Goblin camp you were simply turned into a Mind Flayer and it was a game over
Yeah, There also used to be a scene where she came to your camp dazed/confused clearly The emperor's doing you can either talk her down and she'll join you like normal or you'll have to fight her, there should be a few videos from early access on here @@exantiuse497
So basically: Astarion - Caught and sacrificed by his Master. Gale - Vanishes from the Plot, along with his importance. Karlach - Presumably bleeds out. Lae'zel - Dies in the Shadowlands. Shadowheart - Vanishes from thr Plot, along with her importance. Wyll - Presumably contuines being an enslaved Warlock.
Shadowheart NPC is all, "Don't you _dare_ touch that smelly goblin corpse... that is _my_ loot! I saved you with my artifact, and I called dibs first!"
Interesting) In my playthrough I never found Lae'zel after prologue, and this was not intentional. I accidently bypassed her cage on my way to the grove and when I returned to scout I just ran past a couple of dead tieflings, didn't even know she had been there until watched some videos. And after exploring the Underdark I saw no reason to check the alternative route - by that time I was thinking the opportunity to recruit her was somehow gone, so I ventured forth. Never found her corpse either - I guess, if you don't help her in Act 1, she never makes it to the Shadowlands.
Lae'zel would've died if Tav didn't approach Kith'rak. Also, I didn't expect to see her in the Mountain pass. After doing some trading with the Scholar from the Baldur's Gate, I just happened to notice Lae'zel walk past by me. This was all new to me. Every time I play this game, new mechanics are unlocked and it amazes me to see how great Larian Studios are.
If you don't help or find her she dies to the gith in the bridge near the entrance to the mountain pass. If you save her or revive her in there but do not recruit her she goes all the way to the shadow curse lands and dies after entering, at which point you can't revive her anymore because she died to the curse
My first playthrough was a real sh*tshow, and I never found Lae’zel. I kept pursuing all the Emerald Grove quests because I naively thought that the tadpole wasn’t the main quest and just really wanted to get rid of it, so I was desperate to find Halsin. It only occurred to me very late in Act 1 that I still hadn’t seen her again, and I googled to figure out where to look for her. And then I also didn’t go to the Mountain Pass because 1. I didn’t have a Gith in my party constantly saying we needed to go there, and 2. I thought you had to choose either the Underdark or the Mountain Pass, I didn’t realize it could be both. 😂😅 Needless to say, from this point forward I started prioritizing fully expanding the map starting in Act 2. And yes, because I didn’t head to the part of the map Lae’zel was on for a long while, I also didn’t get to the Dank Crypt or get Withers for quite some time. I was freaked out when suddenly there was a zombie chilling at my campsite.
I missed out on Gale and didn't travel to Underdark and Githiyanki Cre'che on my first run. I had to save scum a lot during my fight with Ketheric because I was at level 6 😅.
i remember finding lae’zel after talking with kith’rak in the mountains, she was dead, used a revive scroll to see what would happen and she joined me as if i didnt completely miss her in the crash site
RE: Gale, I did the same and can confirm that it seems like all his plots just get written out of the game. Elminster doesn't even show up in later parts of the game.
I believe it's a polite way of the devs telling you - Hey, her name's Lae'zel. She's a great companion and you should revive her and this is your last chance to do it ☺.
In my first playthrogh I never got Gale cause like… suspicious portal? Nah, not touching that, what if I get hurt? Learned that from the worm incubation crib on the nautiloid.
Sure thing. I cannot think of leaving Karlach alone down by the river and Wyll is the embodiment of righteousness who'll tell you to attack the enemies when it's least required.
This is so funny to me - on my first playthrough, I completely missed Wyll somehow. No idea he was a potential companion. I also never found the whole Risen Road area, so I totally missed Karlach. It wasn't until my 2nd playthrough I talked to Wyll, and he told me where to find Karlach - I was so full of /facepalm lololol
Quite surprised to see how much further Laezel actually got on her own. I thought she'd just remain dead with the Gith patrol encounter (if you walk away from the patrol without triggering the dialogue you'd come back to see a dead Laezel) but didn't know there's more to it if you keep her alive without recruiting her past that point. Interesting outcome.
I incidentally left Laezel in the wooden cage on my first playthrough and did most of act 1, Laezel was instantly found dead when I went to the githyankis and I think they were immediately aggro towards me. I did manage to revive her and keep her as a companion though regardless. It's interesting how you can't revive her at the mountain path though.
This playthrough was a tough one. I expected Astarion to make witty comments just around the corner but the silence that followed after that...the banters and interactions with the party members were sorely missed.
If you rescue the Duke without ever having met Wyll, the Duke is just bonkers happy to be alive and he calls you a friend and thanks you for saving Florrick. But zero mention of Ansur.
Hmm... interesting. I distinctly remember him saying he wanted to raise Ansur from his slumber all by himself if, Wyll is present with you. Good find .
I know you didn’t do minthara so I’m gonna say what happens and that in the near end of act 2 she’s found at the bottom of the castle when you are about to fight the final boss, but if you roam around and end up in a room where you have to fight some monsters she will be found as a zombie, but that’s only if you didn’t kill her in act 1 and only knocked her out
The game doesn't consider her as an Origin character and I needed her in my party. I tried to steal something from the goblins which made her temporary hostile, then knocked her out. I recruited her because she proved to be a valuable ally. Hirelings don't consume parasites so you now know I badly needed The Luck Of Far Realm😃.
@@kapitainein fair enough, also person opinion but maybe you’d like it too you should try giving her a warlock build, she’s amazing with it, and maybe mix it with necro wizard class so she can control the undead, it also feels more lore accurate for revenge if you give her kethrics armor while she controls the undead
Shadowheart can make it to Grymforge by herself. As if you skip the goblin camp and try to head to act 2 via Grymforge the same animation will play there.
I can add to Wyll. My first run I didn't notice him at all. It was pretty much after I cleared Goblin Camp or right before. On my way exploring, I found Karlach and recruited her. Then I was hanging out in the Underdark and one Long Rest, Wyll came to my camp to kill Karlach. I convinced him to let her live and he joined my camp.
I thought there was a cutscene where shadowheart appears in your camp and are either forced to take her or kill her as she goes slightly insane? I’ve seen it before so it’s probably trigged by a amount of long rest
seriously though, Larian did such an amazing Job, to place the Original Companion on different places like Shadowheart and Laezel. would be just awesome, if they did some better ways for Minthara, rather then only find her at the goblin Camp or Moonrise Tower..
I agree with you and yet her character as a Drow leader who's also under the full influence of the absolute would make it highly unlikely for us to meet her in any place other than the goblin camp or Moonrise tower.
It would have been cool to see the fates of a couple more of the companions. Like fighting Wyll in the mind flayer colony after he gets taken over by the Absolute because he left the artefact's radius.
seeing laezel make it that far on her own just to die from the shadowcurse is so sad... and it makes you wonder what happened when she went to the creche alone. clearly she made it out of that point alive and on her own still
She might have survived Cre'che on her own but with major downfall on the character because surviving zhai'tisk would've rendered her with weaker constitution and mental state. Then lying to the doctor is another difficulty. Even if we assume she survived all that, she would be sent on immediately in search of the the astral prism. After that the shadow curse is more dangerous than enemies with physical form.
Makes me want to go through the game ignoring them and recruiting only Halsin and the dog. It is kind of funny that Shadowheart suddenly wants to talk when you ignore her. I was curious what Wyll had to say after the celebration.
Btw if you recruit Karlach but will not talk to Wyll (As I accidentally did in my 1st playthrough) he'll appear in 2nd Act while one of long rests claiming that he finally tracked Karlach down
To be fair, you should find all of them as mind flayers after the act they are introduced in if not recruited. Since the dream person is the only one keeping them from transforming
One can't become a mind flayer until the last part of Act-3. If only one could turn into a mind flayer in Act-1, well for instance: Everybody would attack the player on sight.
@@kapitainein most try to one they find out. The order to complete ceremorphosis was sent out in act one, so any infected non-recruited characters should be transformed
@@kapitainein Actually Tav and the camp almost turned into mind flayer in act 1 (Resulting to Laezel scene: "We are transforming, ill end u, the others and then myself" and first Dream Guardian scene: "I came just in time, you are transforming"). It was because of the Guardian that the characters remain as themselves in Act 1.
@@Ikaros0153 Hmm now i'm legitimately curious how Lae'zel/Wyll could make it to Act2/3 as themselves without joining us. Maybe giths don't transform as quickly as everyone else? (since zaith'isk purification is a scam) and maybe Wyll got help from Mizora to not transform before finishing his job or something
@fosaimaginator3920 i mean each of them does technically have a higher power pretty closely linked to them. Shar, queen whatsherface, cazador, mystra, mizora, hell itself. That may hold it off for a while, while the dream person is just more direct with protection
I was helping my friend on his campaign, and apparently he ignored Lae'zel in the cage and must've also activated the cutscene with Voss and the dragon, but didn't go down to talk with the Githyankis. So I was guiding him back there because he was missing the best companion, and there she was, dead. Thankfully you can resurrect her at that point.
on my solo Durge run, for Shadowheart, i didnt save her on Nautiloid, but i talk to her in front of Jergal Temple, and i refuse her to joon forces, she immediately run, she is nowhere to be found at Emerald Grove, but when i do long rest before going to Goblin Camp, there cutscene that when the Tav woke up, the Astral Prism is magically come to the Tav possesion, in this state, i dpnt know what happento Shadowheart, but i never found her since then
@@kapitainein also of we didnt recruit her, hence the artefact is teleported to our inventory, i wonder what happen if we go to Shadowheart cloister at Baldur's Gate, maybe will try it on my next playthru haha
@@harisprasetio6240 Once Tav gets the artefact it never leaves. I met Viconia DeVir at the House of Grief in this playthrough and she agreed to let me go only after I promised her to return Shadowheart. My Tav can lie through her teeth 😅.
I kinda wish the game put in different meetings scenarios for more of the origin characters. Like instead of Astarion staying in that one spot for days, I could Imagine him going to the druids grove or goblin camp trying to con or steal from people or get caught and put in jail.
This is why whenever I start a new play through I make sure to recruit Gale, Astarion and Karlach as soon as I meet them the first time, with the other 3 I roll a D20, if it’s 10 or higher I recruit them, if not then next encounter 😅
I left gale there in my first playthrough, my barbarian character is not up and about to touch this nerd glowing thing the voice in his head said it's dangerous
In my playthrough, I passed the check to open the door at the beach in my first try. That meant I made my route to the the grove without ever seeing Asterion or Gale. I didn't even see the broken portal.
I got to act 3 before I relented to looking up spoilers because I was like "I'm 99% sure I was supposed to have the wizard by now". Poor Gale became popcorn before I realised he was missing.
It's quite a pity you can't meet some characters again throughout the game. You can find Lae'zel and Shadowheart (which are almost forced interactions) in so many locations but only one chance to meet Astarion or Gale... I'm still mad for missing on Wyll and Karlach in my first playthrough just because I got locked out of the Grove.
My first playthrough I thought Gale's weird sigil thing looked dangerous so I decided I would come back later and then forgot about it, and I also completely missed Wyll somehow, and without Wyll to point the way I never noticed Karlach.
