@@aitor_48 yeah I actually started recording that suggestion for tomorrow and it’s the same thing except your at level one and sans just one shots you good for a yt shorts tho
on the neutral ending where you kill everyone but papyrus , he will think everyone is on vacation It just shows how innocent he is , I don't have a heart to do a genocide run
It’s so uncanny to see the last line. You’d think a character made up of like 50 pixels with preset expressions would be limited in how they could deliver dialogue but this is done incredibly. Yet another thing in the legend of Toby
I feel like this would've been a cool little easter egg ,or even something made out of this part specifically where sans would go out of his way to get back at you for killing his brother, like perhaps deliberately sabotaging your fights between other monsters, adding in extra obstacles during monster turns to throw you off guard. Which would leave the player confused until this very part at the end. or...maybe this is how a neutral sans fight would've started, but hey that's already a fangame so..!
this makes more sense once you realize papyrus speeds up his fight if you're fighting him so that you see his special attack on every fight, so if you're the average person on like your first run, you will probably mess up enough attacks to get to his spare dialogue
this is way scarier than every horror movie i have ever seen. No jumpscares. No terrifying face. Just silence and blank sinister stare and slow speech. If I played this alone, I would actually look behind my back constantly after that.
i just played the game blind for the first time, beat asgard, but died to the flower. who then crashed my game. it’s 2AM. i said he’ll nah, made sure my door was locked.
That's brutal. He stops making noise, his eyes stop glowing , and he disappears. That's what I always loved about Sans. He made you feel uneasy, or out of control, like your only option is to reset and never have to face him again.
Contrary to what seems to the popular interpretation of Sans being intimidating and scary, what I think Sans is expressing is a kind of awe-filled confusion, like he really cant fathom why this happened. How can someone seem to know what the right thing to do is and yet, also kill Papyrus who was not a real threat. Just imagine the most patient person in world who forgives everyone, even is comfy with criminals and corrupt people, but they just randomly kill your sibling. Wouldnt you also wonder why that happened to you and your family above everyone else?
I feel like you could absolutely gaslight Sans into believing it was necessary. The fact there's no judgement in this, just genuine confusion and disbelief means he's close. He's trying to process and understand. You could give him a push.
My friend and I were in the middle of a genocide run and we didnt have it in us to kill Papyrus. So we stood outside of Sans’ house and screamed “come out and fight me like a man” and then my game crashed cause we were playing on my 3 year old computer.
I just love how everyone is like, "GOD, WHY DO THE FANDOM MAKES SANS BE SO MAD ABOUT YOU KILLING PAPYRUS, THATS SO CRINGE" and like, he IS MAD, the reason why he doesn't attack you is because his powers are based on how many monsters you have killed
He doesn't attack you probably because papyrus is a monster soul just like every other monster, so it would be really unfair to kill you over and over because of someone important that is treated same by everyone else. Also he is the judge he is supposed to be fair.
@@michaelaxelafton1611 so does the level of the human connected with sans? İ always thought it was because he was smart when using his attacks and because of course he could manipulate time.
@@juniper2788 nah, it is when someone is trying to make them seem badass like: "You killed my brother? **Speaks in anime** you are going to have a bad time "
well, through a virtual screen, you think its not that sad. but if you were frisk, you feel bad the moment you started swinging your knife. or maybe your tough glove stick anything in the range toy knife stick tough glove
"If you have some sort of special power. isn't it your responsability to do the right thing?" "With great power comes great responsability" Guess sans learn from the best
I don’t know how to express my feelings right now but as soon as the music stopped and he said “then why’d you killed my brother” I have the biggest chills that I ever had
What's make it more scary is that he has enough reason to end you on the spot, yet he just dissappears. The damage has already been done, so what can he do? Just accept the fact that he's gone. And yes I'm aware the plyer can reset, but he's not entirely aware of that.
@@Tylerbailey-zp8vu Uhhhh...Assuming that you're talking about how he knows the concept of RESET, then no, he doesn't. Sans doesn't really know that you "RESET" He knows that you come back in the genocide route by the expression of your face, but he doesn't know why or necessarily HOW you can come back from death. At least, I think. I'm not really an undertale nerd anymore ever since 2019.
If you don't kill enough side monsters( like froggit) but kill all the main characters besides papyrus, and beat Omega flowey, you get an ending where papyrus becomes the new king.
If you kill only Toriel, Papyrus, Undyne, Mettaton and Asgore (and optionally Flowey), you get an ending where The Annoying Dog becomes king, and it's actually so much of an improvement over Asgore's reign that Sans isn't even mad that you killed his brother - or at least if he is he doesn't mention it.
I fully believe that there's only a few reasons why Sans doesn't start a battle in this kind of run. 1) He's grieving. It's possible he can't find it in him to put up a genuine fight. 2) He's dead inside. It's canon that he's aware of resets, so it's implied that he feels so extensively depressed and powerless that he doesn't even bother trying - not even for avenging his brother. He knows that, in the end, it's futile, pointless, inevitable. The exception is the genocide route. 3) He doesn't think he can win. The poison effect he has is known as "Karmic Justice" - basically, it's implied that the effect is stronger when the opponent has a greater LOVE. Perhaps he doesn't think he can get away with a victory unless the player has killed enough to be locked into the genocide route. 4) He doesn't think he should or could, because of the other characters. Let's remember that Sans is bound by a lot of promises. A promise to Toriel, to watch over Frisk. A "promise" to Papyrus, as the older brother who'll treasure the younger's innocence - and therefore not kill. A "promise" to Asgore, to uphold his duty as judge and otherwise not interfere - even against personal motivations. These promises, and perhaps many more, means that Sans might feel bound to only interere if the human is irredeemable - even if, personally, he wants to do more. One or more of these reasons could contribute as to why he only ever fights in the genocide route. It might even be a little bit of everything. edit: It has come to my attention that the fan label for Sans's poison effect is Karmic _Retribution,_ not Karmic Justice. This was derived from the official but vague reference to the poison effect, "KR" - and the fanbase has largely interpreted it as "Karmic Retribution." If nothing else, the idea of "karma" makes sense for how the poison works contextually, so an arguement that KR just refers to "KaRma" is understandable too. I believe I mistook Karmic Retribution as Karmic Justice because of two reasons. One, because I was playing Dark Souls at the time, and there's a spell called "Karmic Justice." Two, because of Sans's interpreted job of being the Judge supports the notion of 'justice.' On that note, the idea that Sans is recognized as the "Judge" may be supported by a variety of factors, including: a) the dialogue between Sans and Asgore in old true lab recordings b) the detail that he puts in the effort to judge you every playthrough (he even gives a relatively official opening and a concrete explanation of "LV/LOVE" and "EXP") c) the idea that Sans has a poison effect which appears to operate off of the target's sin d) the logical concept that he is doing threat assessment for Asgore in the Last Corridor. Asgore gets caught off guard on a genocide route because Sans couldn't report and the behavior of Frisk/Chara was too inhumane to be recognised as human. It is also worth considering that Sans has been often interpreted as a "Royal Judge" figure by the fanbase, whether in videos, fanfiction, and even subtly in the wiki (which explicitly uses the verb "judge" and the noun "judgement" in nearly every reference about Sans and the Last Corridor). That this particular assumption of Sans being an officially (by Asgore) recognised judge has lasted so long (and endured without major widespread backlash from other fans giving different ideas) kinda lends credit to continuing to believe it, until a more convincing notion comes along.
The "karmic justice" thing sounds like fanfiction, he tells you he could've cut you down if he didn't promise Toriel he wouldn't, plus he literally does 1 dmg in genocide lol
@@orangenostril Exactly. He does one damage. As I understand it, Karmic Justice refers to his poison effect. It supposedly scales off of the targets LOVE. It's more effective against a LV19 Frisk but less effective against a LV3 Frisk. Basically, it's faster if his opponent is more powerful/sinful. Probably why it's known as "Karmic Justice," since Sans is a judge who's capacity to enforce a sentence is effected by the karma/guiltiness of the sinner. Then again, my sources aren't precisely reliable. I'm going off of secondhand and even thirdhand hearsay. Maybe it isn't an official thing, and just an explanation conjured by the Undertale fanbase at one point. Hells if I know. Personally, until I hear official information to the contrary, the current concept of Karmic Justice is what I'm sticking with for my headcanon. Whether it's originally made by the fandom or not, it makes little difference - after all, in a similar situation, Sans's slippers were only officially pink in merch that released after the fanbase portrayed them like that. In Undertale and Deltarune, they're actually white.
@@khajiitimanus7432 At this point, Toby could just say "yes Sans is Ness" and it would be canon on the lips of everybody. He can manipulate the story to his will because of the references and secrets. I think that's the entire point. It's not all explained like some anime.
@@PhrozenFox And? Does that mean that we cannot spring forth conjecture? Does it mean that finding our own answers is forbidden until such a point? Nay. I don't know why you seem to take the concept so harshly. "Karmic Justice" is the current reference for Sans's poison ability. Nothing forbids folks from disagreeing with the concept, but that also doesn't mean you need to take a hard left and essentially claim that answers don't exist. If that were the case, Dark Souls lore videos wouldn't exist. But they do, and the lore of Dark Souls is a major drawing point for fans. The same logic applies here with Undertale. "Karmic Justice" is what Sans's poison effect is known by. The idea that it's more powerful with the target's sin is something attributed to it. Does it mean that it's correct information? That the poison effect is called such and works like that? No, nothing hard confirms this. Is it what the fanbase has concluded so far? Yes. Can it be disputed? Also yes. Is there a different true answer? Maybe. Does it matter if Toby Fox made an official answer to this? No, not unless he releases it.
It's because he knows you'll just reset anyway. No one goes through the whole game peacefully and then just randomly kills the least threatening monster in the entire underground. Not unless they know what their doing. He knows you're just experimenting. He'll make you feel a little bit guilty, just for good measure, but he knows you'll just undo everything, and Papyrus will be back next run. It's in Genocide that he starts to worry that there might not _be_ a next run.
He uses “knowledge” he doesn’t have determination like Frisk or Chara… Undyne does and Undyne can KINDA remember stuff from resets (like Flowey but not much) other characters can only guess or use knowledge which Sans does… Sans is the 4th wall breaker… he almost defeats you with only with Knowledge on a genocide run…. So he almost counters your “determination” with “knowledge”
@@slendygaming0079 but unfortunately Undyne can’t break the 4th Wall of Undertale with information… awareness and research like Sans… that is why he’s so popular… he can DODGE and he’s supposed to be the weakest character… yet by breaking the 4th walk he actually manages to almost counter Determination all by himself… almost cus… you still kill him as a player.. but Undyne vs Sans.. if you have THAT trouble killing Sans… than Undyne.. it’s safe to say NO other monster other than you… yes you’re not a human but a monster on the Genocide route… (a joke but still it’s a reality) there is no other monster “stronger” than Sans in his 4th wall breaking… soooo yeah.. that is why he’s so popular and so many Fan games exist of him.
I love how sans just said "then why did you kill my brother" then freaking stops there So sans isnt acually fighting against you because you killed his brother hes fighting you because he just tries to stop you from killing everyone in the underground(which in that case you allready did and only one in the next area is just asgore) i feel like everyone knows at this point but in fangames sans(or papyrus if its underswap or anything similar to that there is many undertale rearangement fangames like storyshift storyswap storyspin and much more i cant name because i forgot most of them) just fights you because you killed his brother or even killed his brother enormous amount of time
I don't feel like sans fights you for that reason necessarily, rather he fights you so you can stop resetting the timeline. You see: his ultimate goal is to annoy you as much as possible untill you eventually quit (Hence why he never technically "ends" his turn at the end if the fight.) It just so happens that genocide is the perfect excuse.
You know what's incredible, everything about sans, including his humor is all done to guilt trip you into getting a better ending. Everything he says or does is to make you dissatisfied with how you have left the world. The two really big moments when he does this is the Judgement hall and the phone call. He knows that you can reset and manipulates you so cleverly into trying to do better. This is also why he never actually attacks you until you have killed everyone. If you fail to do Genocide he won't fight specifically so he can disappoint you, frustrate you and make you give up. And even in the fight he is doing his all to make you give up. I absolutely commend the patience on this man for being able to do that and keep cool despite everything. Truly a threat to be reckoned with.
How do you kill Papyrus accidentally? He'll ALWAYS spare you before you can kill him, the game is programmed to trigger his final attack once he gets on low HP.
I didn’t know you could actually get past things without killing them so in my first run I killed Toriel and papyrus… for context the only other game I’d played was hollow knight and it’s not like you can spare main bosses so I didn’t know
Unlike toriel, its literally impossible to kill papyrus on accident, he can not die unless he's sparing you, he does not kill you, and after losing 3 times he lets you skip the battle
That electric maze fried half my nervous system It's called revenge, Sansy boy "Ah. I see. Well, I won't judge you for that. ... See you next time. Maybe it'll be a bad one."
I think they should not be obligated to do any different than before. They shouldn't be evil with their power just because they can, but they also shouldn't feel obligated to go start doing hero stuff. I'd probably just try to have harmless fun with it.
“Fuck you in particular” Jokes aside, why would you only kill Papyrus, I literally had to end my genocide run because I couldn’t bring myself to kill him
I feel so bad for sans when he finds out you kill his brother, especially the fact that I’m doing the pacifist route first and I have to kill Paris next route 😢
don't really get why people make sans like insanely attached to papyrus. like if he were to die sans would be upset sure, as we see in this video here, but he wouldn't just go full batshit crazy. he only attacked in genocide because there wasn't really anything else he could do plus he had to stall us even for a couple of minutes. lmfao sometimes fanon is stupid
I thought he only fought us in genocide because if the route were to be completed, reality would be erased, idk how he knows that, but “don’t say I didn’t warn you” and the fact that he doesn’t fight you if u soared at least one monster, cuz like, he knows everything will just be reset, but not in genocide kinda implies that
he attacked in genocide because you killed enough monsters to get your LV to insane levels. he has karmic retribution - the more monsters you kill, the stronger he is. If you kill only one thing, it is physically impossible for him to defeat you. but i assure you that in this scene, if he could've, he would've ripped you in half.
undertale fandom be like: sans didnt gaster blaster frisk to oblivion the second they said "papyrus isnt cool" so he obviously doesnt care about papyrus!!!!1!!!!!!1@@Bro-cx2jc
i remember only killing papyrus back in the day as part of my tests to see all dialogue and the part when the music stops made my heart sink a bit lol and i felt bad too bc i actually like papyrus and hated having to kill him
@@kehindeakinjopo3584 idk maybe because... YOU KILLED HIS BROTHER! You want to know what happens to someone who kills my brother? SEVEN FEET UNDER GROUND! Edit: ah you like Drake music, explains why you wouldn't try to kill someone who killed your brother.
@@soundrogue4472 im not sans, im not apathetic to nearly everything. also you shouldn't compare real life to a fictional universe where every action can be undone.
@@Vikt-vg8nz TL;DR - that's not how apathy works, that's how a sociopath works. 1. He showed CLEAR DISTRESS when his bother died. 2. HE SHOWED HOW MUCH HE CARED ABOUT HIS BROTHER. 3. HE IS "apathetic" that he gets THE HUMAN TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER! Oh yeah, so, "apathetic" of him. 4. He's so, "apathetic" that he stops showing up after YOU KILLED HIS BROTHER, OH YEAH; TOTALLY SHOWS HE DOESN'T CARE! 5. OH YEAH; HE'S SO APATHETIC THAT ONLY ONCE YOU HIT LV19 DOES HE TRY TO STOP YOU! YEAH TOTTALLY APATHY RIGHT THERE! 6. did we play the same game? 7. Even if what you said is true; again, why would he stop being "apathetic" once everyone dies? I have been living the last 5 years of my life being apathetic; I know the feeling, emptiness, lack of purpose, being hollow, etc. Never once and I mean NEVER once was I, "you know; if someone killed my brother, I'd be mad but still too apathetic to do anything about it" kind of thing. Apathy isn't a lost of a soul but a lost of purpose, a lose of self, a lost of care of oneself. NOT THE LOST OF CARE OF THOSE AROUND YOU! Who knows, maybe I wasn't apathetic enough then. I still had enough care and love in my soul for my dogs and my family members!
I saw someone say it was out of character for Sans to be mad at Frisk because of his brother’s death. … Just because Sans is lazy doesn’t mean he’s apathetic (at least not completely) He very much canonically has beef, as seen right here. Yeah, the fandom tends to make it super edgy sometimes…but the fandom is (or at least was) also made up of edgy preteens so like- Not surprising. Idk…I feel like the fandom has an “all or nothing” kind of mindset sometimes.
Sans can be cool Sans can be funny Sans can be lazy Sans can be annoying Sans can be sleeping Sans can be watching Sans can be scarier than anything you’ve ever seen in your entire existence.
@@kehindeakinjopo3584 a reaction to a dick move made by the player for killing his brother. And also something I would've done had I an ounce of programming genius.
I did that once..... the only good thing out of that run was if you come back to grillby they will tell you that Grillbz is getting worried for sans bcs he did not came in all day witch is not normal for him
You can't. You don't fight normal Flowery ever in the game the way you fight other monsters. The automated versions are on different paths where you will never see Photoshop Flowey.
Dude i dont know why, but on my genocide run, sans didint fight me, i killed everyone, papyrus included, he just said this exact thing even though i killed all main characters and side characters
I've never felt so guilty by association. I couldn't bring myself to do a genocide run. In fact, i killed toriel and didn't like how i felt about it, so i loaded back up to do a pacifist run. Flowey remembered. Of all bosses, killing toriel and papyrus would hurt the most.
I was always under the impression that you would end up fighting sans regardless if you killed Papyrus, essentially fucking you over if you like only killed Papyrus This is cool tho, I suppose
Y'know your beyond cooked than when ur best player in the team says "dont revive me, JUST RUN" in a cod game when u see sans dont have eyeballs and turned into an actual Skeleton.... That's actually scary AND 💀
