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What If episode 1 is bad and it's not even close to the worst in the show. Prepare for more.
If you liked this video I have a similar one about Eternals on my channel so go check that one out as well
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@lukaviwifalc1119
@lukaviwifalc1119 Год назад
Man, this show was such a fascinating idea on paper. Exploring different scenarios that diverge from OG canon to tell new compelling stories, the possibilities are endless. But the writers only seem interested in shitting out some of the most ridiculous fanfiction-level narratives I’ve ever seen. Not to mention that the character designs and animation are so unpolished and janky. They were clearly going for an Arcane-esque aesthetic, but that show took *six years* to develop, whereas you could tell What If was rushed out like most Phase 4 products.
@johnnycrown5097
@johnnycrown5097 10 месяцев назад
This show is actually a perfect observation case... We get to how bad a good story can get in the hands of shitty writers... We get to see the many ways the first avenger could have been screwed up and we get to admire the original even more in contrast...
@yagamifire7861
@yagamifire7861 Год назад
Just as a heads up, the "Peggy is Stronger because her base was stronger" is explicitly not how the concept of 'peak human' works. Peggy's physiology would be changed to peak physicality for a human being. It sets everything to 100. Your 'base' does not matter because it just dials EVERYTHING up. This is why Steve's base didn't matter either for the serum. Physicality was basically irrelevant and Erskine knew it. The only time it matters is when someone is ABOVE peak human. This is only for things like mass. In the comics, for instance, there's a soldier 'Protocide' that's a prototype cap...and he is stronger than Cap but only a bit because he's physically taller than what would be 'peak' human (he's like 6'3") so he's a smidge bigger in frame. That's it though. It's slight. Meanwhile, Peggy is a peak human woman. Peak male strength is far far more than peak female strength. Basic biology. Peggy should actually be considerably weaker than Steve (though she'd have other attributes that would be far better than him due to biological differences between men & women).
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
I mean that's a fair interpretation, it's just possible that the serum amplifies existing muscle and thus made Peggy with serum stronger than Steve with the Serum. If that's not how it should work that's a small issue compared to basically everything else in the episode 😆 but thanks for pointing that out
@yagamifire7861
@yagamifire7861 Год назад
@@puggietaur Oh absolutely. It's definitely minor...and don't even get me started on the "improved" formula in FATWS where people look exactly the same. Such garbage. Good breakdown on the vid. Gonna take time to watch all of your videos. :)
@Guai919
@Guai919 Год назад
great job brother, I used to think the Captain Carter episode isn't actually that bad... But here we are...
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
I also used to think it wasn't that bad. But man does every episode of this show suck
@JustSaph
@JustSaph Год назад
@@puggietaur including the ultron one?
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
@@JustSaph oh man you aren't ready for my video on that one 😏
@JustSaph
@JustSaph Год назад
@@puggietaur 💀💀💀
@auroraSLAP
@auroraSLAP Месяц назад
@@JustSaphbro that one is one of the worst if not the worst 💀 it was so bad it didn’t even survive a first viewing for me. It actually caused me to re-evaluate the entire series
@SonicHedgehog1991
@SonicHedgehog1991 Год назад
"It *IS* indestructible, was." Pal, everything is indestructible until it was destroyed.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
no, indestructible means can't be destroyed not hasn't been destroyed
@YesTHATJohnSmith
@YesTHATJohnSmith Год назад
One thing (if I might): "Indestructible" is similar to "impossible". "NOTHING is "impossible", only MATHEMATICALLY IMPROBABLE." --- Sir August De Wynter. Back in 1943, it was "impossible" to split an ⚛️ atom, or to break the Sound Barrier 🚧. And (as Mz. Mode would say) here we are.
@SonicHedgehog1991
@SonicHedgehog1991 Год назад
​@@puggietaur you missed my joke lol. I know what it means, I just make a joke based on his logic.
@kingofthegrill
@kingofthegrill Год назад
Iron Man's Mach 45 armor from 2015 or whenever: Totally destructible Howard Stark's 1940s old timey Iron Man anime mech suit: IT'S INDESTRUCTIBLE
@YesTHATJohnSmith
@YesTHATJohnSmith Год назад
[RE: Howard's armor.] "They don't make 'em like THAT anymore." --- James Leasor. (Amongst INNUMERABLE others.)
@M0RGAT0RY
@M0RGAT0RY Год назад
They could've put the Tesseract inside one of the cars inside a metal box - instead we got Zola holding a Hydra "endorsed" box that says " hey!!! Open me, I have something important inside "
@johnnycrown5097
@johnnycrown5097 Год назад
You didn't mention that Peggy works for the British military so Flynn can't promote considering he works for the American military not to mention she shouldn't be talking to him like that based on their ranks...
@Blank_Face
@Blank_Face Год назад
My lord, this show is so ugly. I don't know what happened in the animation studio but this is not pretty to look at. The lighting is abysmal, characters faces never move correctly and the characters are out of sync with the backgrounds. This animation looks rushed. All that aside. Awesome vid, I look forward to the rest of the videos for this show.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
Thanks! I don't really mind the animation that much but yeah it's not good
@doggodproductions2259
@doggodproductions2259 Год назад
It is a really odd, ugly animation style. It basically just looks like the pre-vis art for most Marvel movies, except they’ve given it this *very* Disney-looking color palette and overall vibe. Like, the facial movements (and movement in general) look like they fit right in with that late 80’s/early 90’s Disney Animation aesthetic. I hate it. They should’ve made it look like the comic art, like a slightly more “grounded” version of the Spider-Verse movie animation style.
@john98765333
@john98765333 Год назад
A very good breakdown and introspection of how they miss the concept of a what if and how they messed up characters.
@changvasejarik62
@changvasejarik62 Год назад
33:52 personally when it comes to why no one on earth wants to destroy the earth I’m more a fan of “it’s where I keep all my stuff.” From the tick but good use of the clip.
@RenoReborn
@RenoReborn Год назад
Great vid my dude, 1 small thing tho, you could do with toning down the backing music just a little, it can get a little distracting at points
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
i've already started working on that, hopefully it's less distracting in the following videos
@johnnycrown5097
@johnnycrown5097 10 месяцев назад
This shows how a good story could've been ruined if given to crappy writers... We're literally watching the first avenger if written by shitty writers...
@jpr25
@jpr25 Год назад
deserves more views, great job! greetings from germany :)
@auroraSLAP
@auroraSLAP Год назад
Excellent review! Concise, well-thought out, full of strong arguments, and swiftly edited. Can’t wait to see the rest. You’ve earned a subscriber
@holty1314
@holty1314 Год назад
Power levels regarding the super soldier serum isn’t like dragon ball. Regardless that Peggy was at a higher base than Steve, the serum pushed the physical and mental aspects of the human body to their limit, and since biological men are stronger than woman Steve would still have strength.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
we don't know exactly how it worked so i was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt
@Lobsterwithinternet
@Lobsterwithinternet 8 месяцев назад
They already did back in 1991. Go watch it and you'll see how terrible it is. Spoiler Alert: Steve Rogers spends more time stealing cars then fighting anyone to the point that they had to use pictures of him getting beaten and strapped to a missile on the box art.
@wolfinc2171
@wolfinc2171 Год назад
16:26 It is very much possible to achieve this, the issue isn't the fact she's pushing off the bike but another strength feat. If we say that the motorbike weighs as much to her as a normal bike would to us (which can be inferred by the scene where she just throws one with one hand). If this is true then the force she exerts would be more than enough to lift the motorbike up. people parkour with bikes all the time. and for some reason this is annoying me a lot. but the only way your argument would apply is if both Peggie and the bike were in a vacuum.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
fair enough
@wolfinc2171
@wolfinc2171 Год назад
@@puggietaur by the way Great breakdown on Red Skull in the first avenger. I always enjoy someone breaking apart good or bad scenes to explain how they tick.
@SeanWheeler100
@SeanWheeler100 11 месяцев назад
Maybe for those parts of What If that's inconsistent with the main timeline we can excuse them as a different universe. Like how in The Flash, Barry went back in time to save his mother and things were already different before he bought the tomatoes, such as Batman being older and Eric Stoltz playing Marty McFly, maybe Marvel's timelines works a similar way with that fulcrum concept?
@puggietaur
@puggietaur 11 месяцев назад
that's not how it works, watch endgame or loki. and the flash doesn't do its time travel or multiverse well either that movie's plot is awful 😆
@SeanWheeler100
@SeanWheeler100 11 месяцев назад
@@puggietaur Loki has a variant who is an alligator whose Nexus event was "eating the neighbor's cat" and Sylvie is a woman despite being a variant of Loki. And another Loki variant who's black. And we've got No Way Home establishing the Raimiverse and Webbverse timelines being canon to the MCU multiverse like how the Burton Batman movies seemed to be canon to the Flashpoint timeline despite being a branched timeline of the DCEU with Michael Shannon's General Zod invading Earth. Yeah, pretty sure you can only use Flash's fulcrum logic to justify that. After all, Marvel and DC are rivals who always copy each other, why not give them the same rules? The multiversal time travel in my novels will follow a similar logic with someone going back in time into another timeline already finding things off about that universe without even going back to the future.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur 11 месяцев назад
@@SeanWheeler100 The only explanation for Alligator Loki is that it's not a real Loki. The Sylvie thing is an issue and is stupid. Loki is the worst story I've ever seen so most of what it establishes is breaking its own rules, the only thing it does do properly is how branches are branches and not fulcrums like the flash movie. The Raimiverse and Webverse are possible if the timeline branch happened farther back in the past, like before the Tesseract ended up on earth or something. The MCU's rules came before The Flash came out, and it's definitely not the same idea. Any resemblances it might have to it are continuity issues. The Flash's multiversal travel is pretty nonsensical anyways I wouldn't use it to explain anything, it doesn't even explain itself
@SeanWheeler100
@SeanWheeler100 11 месяцев назад
@@puggietaur Well, it is really screwing up the branches in Season 2. In scenes outside the TVA, there's a caption telling us the year and place and whether the scene takes place on the Sacred Timeline or a Branch Timeline, and the two instance of the Sacred Timeline, I really have to disagree and say they are branch timelines. Because the first instance, X-5 went back to his life as the movie star Brad Wolfe, but if the TVA Agents were variants, as in people from branched timelines, shouldn't there be another Brad Wolfe on the Sacred Timeline confronting his imposter? And the next instance of the Sacred Timeline was Ravonna dropping off the TVA guidebook to Victor Timely as a child, and then the trip to the Chicago World Fair was on a branched timeline with a variant Victor grown up and had the book that Ravonna gave him, even though as a variant, he should be a different person from the Sacred Timeline's Victor. If Ravonna went back on the Sacred Timeline, it should be a closed loop similar to the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season finale where the agents returned to their original timeline shortly before they left and became the people in the blue hazmat suits from the previous season finale. It shouldn't be that the time-travellers were on the sacred timeline until they do something that causes a paradox to branch the timeline. The time-travelling Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America and Ant-Man from Endgame were not in the background of the first Avengers film. Pretty sure Loki is making the Sacred Timeline and branches more confusing than ever. Especially with the Sacred Timeline now being a rope of many timelines on the Temporal Loom. Oh well, I'll just watch your Loki review now. After watching the Echo trailer.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur 10 месяцев назад
@@SeanWheeler100 yeah Loki s2 is not making anything better. Brad being an undercover agent in the sacred timeline doesn't make any sense HOWEVER the rennslayer thing actually does, at least the aspect you're talking about. she drops off the book to him in the sacred timeline, but when she visits him in the future, it's a branch timeline. the problem is that the branch timeline is 30 years or something past when she dropped off the book, and branch timelines play out in real time, so she would have needed to wait 30 years for him to reach that point. they just forgot about that rule from season 1
@mononoke-san4754
@mononoke-san4754 Год назад
did she casually barehand the tesseract???
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
the tesseract seemingly is fine to hold as long as it wasn't recently used. tony picks it up for a second in endgame. right after being used it's hot tho
@rachelknightonline
@rachelknightonline Год назад
The voice acting was horrible in this show
@TotallyTyler
@TotallyTyler Год назад
at the end where red skull gets crushed by the lazily written tentacle monster, how did the monster effortlessly kill redskull since he is a super soldier? however, when peggy just decided to push it, the monster just decided to give up :/
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
that's a good point
@VexdinLord
@VexdinLord Год назад
Damn, this channel needs more views. Really great analysis on the first episode, can't wait to watch the rest!
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
thanks so much!
@michaeldavis2001
@michaeldavis2001 Год назад
The reason Peggy is stronger and faster than Steve is because she is female. Everyone knows that women are generally stronger and faster than... ...wait! Later, Steve not only 'pilots' the teseract suit, but pilots a fighter plane. But Steve, without the serum, is still unfit for duty.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
binging my videos i see 😉
@tiger_lord305
@tiger_lord305 Год назад
Its really weird and confusing what Marvel is doing with the multiverse. The Spider-Men are from their own universes/Earths that are not branches of the MCU timeline, but its all referred to as the “multiverse” as are dimensions and splinter timelines. The Watcher is suppose to look over the multiverse and I guess that encompasses alternate timelines of those universes?
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
I mean Tobey and Andrew technically could be from alternate timelines of the MCU where, for example, the tesseract never fell to earth and that led to a bunch of things being different. But yeah they don't really make it clear whether they want you to think certain universes are branches or not
@tiger_lord305
@tiger_lord305 Год назад
@@puggietaur ​ Yeah, but that would also mess with the previous continuity established by the comics and the films. All Marvel media is intended to be part of the multiverse with their own Earth designation (games, movies, shows, etc.) and characters in the comics have been aware of some of the film’s realities, including the MCU. I personally don’t like the idea of those universes branching from the MCU as that would just raise more questions than answers.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
@@tiger_lord305 technically the MCU has never acknowledged that, it's the comics' fault for roping the MCU into something it's not a part of
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Год назад
The multiverse continues parallel universes that branched from one another (these are timelines) as well as entirely separate universes that differed from their original creation (so they didn't branch; they have always existed separately) Theoretically, going to a different timeline should be a lot easier than going to an entirely separate universe. Think about a timeline universe branching off as a tree; that is its own multiverse system, but a stage 1 multiverse. Now another tree nearby is its own multiverse system, also of stage 1, but the collection of all such trees is a stage 2 multiverse. And the collection of all such trees of different species (different IPs, such as DC, Marvel, star wars, etc), is a stage 3 multiverse. The entirety of all this collection is called the Omniverse
@CapPotato388
@CapPotato388 Год назад
16:05 "We see Peggy catch up to a motorcycle which is a lot faster than we ever saw Steve run". Aaaand with that i can tell you're just nitpicking because... yeah? we did? In CA:CW, the tunnel footchase scene. And he has flipped motorcycles in the movies too. There´s some valid criticism in this vid, but some other points are just fluff.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
fair enough
@rainbowmoon1461
@rainbowmoon1461 7 месяцев назад
I think the problem here is how it looks. In Civil War, Steve looks to be going all out, but Peggy looks likes she’s just out for a jog. Which is the real point here, Steve always looks to be working hard in these type scenes, but Peggy doesn’t seem to be trying that hard.
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Год назад
If these problems were fixed, I would've liked it so much more. A "What if...?" doesn't mean you can just do anything... it still needs to follow its own internal logic. The primary difference should literally be "what if this premise was different? How would everything else follow?" Instead, they go "We want things to end up this way; we shall construe a 'what if' to make that happen.
@jpetway100
@jpetway100 Год назад
Bro you’re ruining “what if” if it’s entertaining plot holes don’t matter cause in the multiverse, if everything is possible, all of this is possible. Comparing it to our version of reality is completely missing the point. You’re an entertaining narrator though.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
multiverse doesn't mean free of logic but alright. if it's only entertainment that matters, then i'll just say that all of the plot holes ruin my entertainment of it
@VexdinLord
@VexdinLord Год назад
What If is a series that hinges on the premise of one event from the main MCU timeline being altered, which causes a multitude of differences and changes to events. Essentially the butterfly effect. Each episode is built off a premise, in this case being, "What if Peggy stayed in the room instead of going behind the glass window". The premise is broken however when moments that shouldn't have been effected at all by that choice, like Hydra finding the Tesseract later or there not being an extra vial of serum happen. These aren't nitpicks, these are huge events that allow the plot to go off so much from the original story into what the episode shows, yet they have nothing to do with the central premise.
@JaySiy
@JaySiy Год назад
Bro this is a good breakdown, keep it up
@cassiop3iaa
@cassiop3iaa Год назад
Small nitpick of your critique: teleportation could include being teleported to the dimension in which the tentacle monster is, in which time may work differently.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
if time works differently then how could the monster control its limbs through the portal? and similarly peggy would die if time was flowing differently for one part of her body compared to another (the time dilation would have to be very high to make a few minutes into 70 years)
@cassiop3iaa
@cassiop3iaa Год назад
​@@puggietaur i would write a bunch of defences BUT that requires me writing a LOT more for the writer and at this point that just makes it into fanfiction ngl
@alexdeshatler9843
@alexdeshatler9843 Год назад
It can create portals to alternate Dimensions where time works differently so tell her she could have been there for 1 hour why almost 30 years had passed here
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
then when she was partway through part of her body would age a lot more than the rest of it and she would die
@alexdeshatler9843
@alexdeshatler9843 Год назад
You are wrong they are different and those are different realities not timelines use the correct words🤬😡😤
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
they are realities/timelines/universes the words are used interchangeably
@VexdinLord
@VexdinLord Год назад
What is the difference between a timeline, reality, dimension and universe exactly?
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
@@VexdinLord so timeline/reality/universe are used interchangeably and are the same, but dimensions (occasionally erroneously called universes, specifically in doctor strange 1) have counterparts in every timeline. for example, each timeline has its own astral and mirror dimensions
@VexdinLord
@VexdinLord Год назад
@@puggietaur Then we add Realms into the mix and I don't understand what the hell if going on.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
@@VexdinLord "realm" doesn't really matter as a word in the MCU. the 9 realms are just different planets, and the quantum realm is its own thing that quantumania messed up big time
@Auron1Roxas2
@Auron1Roxas2 Год назад
Everything marvel makes is bad so this isn't even a what if.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
false. unless you mean recently in which case mostly true
@Auron1Roxas2
@Auron1Roxas2 Год назад
@@puggietaur No it's the truth, the mcu has always been trash.
@puggietaur
@puggietaur Год назад
@@Auron1Roxas2 tell me why the first avengers movie is bad 🧐
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