What if California Was An Island? 

What if nuclear weapons were never invented?

AlternateHistoryHub What if the Chinese Communist Forces didn't win the Chinese Civil War?.

AlternateHistoryHub what if New England never colonized The New World(America)?

AlternateHistoryHub Can you make a video what if Russia won the Russo-Japanese war and What if Soviet Union or China won the Sino-Soviet war?

What if the roman empire never existed?

Daddy Donald lol

Yes please

Am in Canada tho

Do we need to build a sea WALL around it afterwards? 😁

No point if Kim Jong Un actually comes through and nukes California

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There would be one less glorious meme

As an Australian I do indeed wish to see this.

I’m pretty sure the requirement is they “could” have happened.

Australia would be a Utopia

fl00fydragon lol

Lol

Earth: Has seizure.

It’s impossible for California to become an island because the San Andreas fault won’t crack open, it would just move to the right. San Andreas will never happen.

Franklin Delano Donut jesus this vid was just for fucken funnnnnnnngogpfpdøsuaya.

In the past when continents split, it is believed they had really steep cliffs, comparable to the 2 mile cliffs. But let's say we ignore anything before the Jurassic Period on the account maybe the geologists didn't get their calculations right and focus on the primate era. We still have the Cliffs of Dover. You might argue that that's not as high, but it's basically enough to bar crossing the Strait of Cortez for a pre-industrial society. And even after humans get excavation tools, who's going to remove those cliffs to get a port when Sonora works just fine? So in then end, not much changes with the smaller cliffs unless there are footpaths through them at reasonable inclines for humans to walk.

@@alex_zetsu Well, going aroubd the horn of africa worked "just fine" too, but we still built the suez canal. connecting the island of california to the mainland physically, via bridges or anything else, would drastically improve on the amount of fuel being spent in oceanic transportation.

@@2DMax00 Oceanic travel is actually cheaper than truck if you're not in a hurry, but ship is slow I guess saving time is something humans like to do. But at least early on in the video, the things he suggested would still largely play out since until such a project is done, the cliffs are an effective barrier.

Who says that California would even have the exact same geography as real life, considering this video is literally about the opposite? If this video is based off of how the Spanish portrayed the Island of California, it's much more likely they would have portrayed the strait in between California and the mainland just as how it appears Between Baja California and Sonora, for example.

Yes but that isn’t what that areas geography is. That area where the strait is, is mountains and hills with high elevation so they would be cliffs. Plus the environment wouldn’t really change it would still be desert-ish because the mountains on California island would still block cool sea air from reaching the area thus stopping erosion from taking place with rain

Lol

Don't be an idiot, those alternate universes could be real, and they might be wondering the same thing...

Milan Milanović leave him alone

Milan Milanović u too.

In an alternate alternate dimension. What if California crashed into Earth.

The Iron Dictator lmao

The Hentai Man Yep, that too

The Iron Dictator so rockstar uses old spanish maps to make its games! Gotcha!

It also explains the read dead 2 map too

Thanks for doing the anime no sekai mod

California: breaks off and turns into an island. * 2 weeks later * Bible belt: Hey wtf, why aren't we being subsidised anymore? DC: Sorry, all those tax dollars are gone.

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@@tanzeel444 California. Tax dollars California doesn't support the US, all its taxes go to pay for its own social programs, that it cannot support, and those Bible states, also would have to supplement the largest states power grid, and clean water. They would all be off, as they would. California's GDP is high yes but none of that money actually supports the citizens of California, as it has the highest unemployment and homeless, California is a shit hole that cant support itself.

@@hybris8383 the biggest problem is majority of these people leaving bring their failed politics to the states they move to. They try to flip states they move to to the same political problems that brought California to what it is now. Without the economy to sustain the policies.

@@tanzeel444 I love how you Californians desperately attempt to convince others that the existence of your state is actually beneficial.

Yeah. The geography of California would be like Japan, and the now West Coast would have their coast flattened more and more.

HE SAID ITS FOR FUN DAMN IT

@@jakeantriasian2353 At least we need accuracy for fun.

Wouldn’t be that much of a game changer because the US is a pretty new continent (for the earths standards) and I don’t think much would change in its little time of existence

Thanks to constant erosion of those cliffs the natives (and then Spanish, Mexican and American settlers) could still get to California.

SagaHub Literally. I'd definitely go see it.

+SagaHub #1 suicide destination, for sure

C. Lamp lmfao yep

SagaHub I'd go

+C. Lamp omg, you are right. There's no way it couldn't be. I'd imagine people who really want to end their lives would probably even empty their bank accounts to get a ticket from all over the world to use that cliff, it would just be that special.

John Spade don't we all?

Aaron Thomas Nice

You only got top comment because of that picture.

Reallifelore is better

same

You're pretty right too by affecting weather. And slowly changes if you think million of years before human arrival. The Californian Island & Western USA would be greener than current timeline.

And 4

but how does the city shrink

Johan Fausto you mean San Adreas,

Skeet obviously shark hacks

Gaming Master Anthony San Andreas had Las Vegas tho

With 2 mile high pillars on a fault line? No... that's ridiculous. Plus, it's be like what 200 miles long?

OneManArmy Welp, they could always use nuclear warheads to demolish part of that canyon to level up the land, then you could build that bridge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Then everybody who drives past would get a nice dose of radiation poisoning, along with everyone who built it.

BandidoTread198 We've demolished mountains before without nukes. We can do this.

Steve Larry welp, i included nuclear warheads only to fasten the proyect, but it could also be made with conventional explosives too

He speaks English, Not Spanish

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@@pavelmachytka5604 isn't his number 777?

Actually, I'll bet that the railroad would've gone to Sonoma or Washington.

Joseph Stalin ha

Los Santos is a city. California would actually be San Andreas. Great comment though.

Joseph Stalin it was LA that came from someone who's never played GTA5

yea, Los Santos is huge and contains many regions of LA, from Malibu to further north...

Ofelia Esparza or gta San Andreas

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@@Koup6218 it's FrEE ReAl EsTaTe

That would be a logistical and engineering nightmare. A larger project than the panama canal or pontchtrain bridge. It would me the longest bridge in the world by a long shot but with the added problem of it being 2 whole miles above sea level to start with. The supports would be 3 or 4 miles tall and near impossible to create or transport until maybe the late 1900s to early 2000s. If there was to be a bridge connecting the island it wouldnt be made yet, at best it would currently be under construction

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Shookoo yeah something good for the world.

Lol

Maybe Jake Paul could accidentally see how long it takes to fall 2 miles.

Shookoo he'd probably just have a sanoran clone.

Shookoo it wouldn't be everyday bro kids are coming at his house

Dumbo Octopus Australia would have conquered the world by now

Dumbo Octopus world peace

its funny that thats a thing

We would be on Mars by now

Utopia

Not at all

It doesn’t look anything like Japan...

@The Road Warrior Are you using autism as an insult?

Mars had even larger ones, as does one of Uranus' moons.

In my opinion, 13K foot cliffs are utterly impossible. Why? Because of erosion. The massive cliffs would erode over time, to a flat coast. Same thing for the now West Coast. The geography of California would be like Japan, with mountains in the middle. They could've been independent for real because the natives could've kept an interest on it because of its strategic location between the Pacific and North America.

He probably didn’t pay too much attention cause, as he said, it’s so ridiculous.

That's impossible, so maybe if they stayed together in the first place.

But it was united. During Ottonian times, HRE was pretty centralized, more so than France during whole Middle Ages. HRE decentralized with time, and by the end of XVIII century, it was the mess we think about when we hear about it.

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you'd need to give a time period though. but I guess the most likely time for that to have happened would be if Charles V and the Catholics won the 30 years war. or at least a scenario where the Treaty of Westphalia was never made and the Empire got an official religion.

+You'reThatMantis 30 years war is too late. Even with Catholic victory, it would be impossible to hold all these states together. Reformation really divided the HRE on religious level, it would be easier to unite something that has no religious tensions -thus that uniting factor should happen before Charles' reign.

Deserts everywhere

not suddenly but always

Geography Now did a video on that.

What all though that sounds wonderful to me, i never thought there was enough land i don't think that could support large populations

@Stephanie Logan so welsh

Gørl.

What if England wasn’t a city

Lol

Yes

They call that mortal engines

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble but there literally is no scenario in which Obi-Wan DOESN'T have the high ground.

Later I will unleashed Drone missle to your trench Umi-chan Onegai, don't blow up Honoka-chan's house

Bolt Fantasticated There was one scenario, in a bonus level of the Star Wars 3 video game, where, like you say, Obi Wan had the high ground, yet somehow Anakin managed to jump right over him and stab him through the back. So, yeah, that happened.

Later I will unleashed Drone missle to your trench obi-wan had sand in his pocket so anakin was still doomed

Then he'd have *UNLIMITED POWER!!*

@Stephanie Logan Being only accessible by sea doesn't prevent gold rushes from happening. There were multiple Australian gold rushes, after all.

Yes, it's completely fine to say the fault lines and geology shifted to allow this alternate history, but we still live within the realm of our our physical universe. There are plenty of examples of massive mountain ranges close to coast, e.g. Chile, Peru, BC and Alaska.

The GOLD RUSH would have to happen at a later date, though. Provided we stick to his specious assertion that natives can't figure out how to paddle their canoes from coastal Washington to coastal Oregon. Sutter's Mill was staffed by hundreds of Indians (natives) John Sutter had enslaved.

I’m sure there still would have been a gold rush because there is a lot of gold in northern Nevada

it would take thousands of years to erode those cliffs under the best case scinario. The cliffs of Dover were much higher in the past and today... they still _exist_ on a smaller scale.

It takes time to erode that high cliffs.

Angus Yang The scenario is not if California spontaneously broke away, it's if it ALWAYS had been an island. There would've been time enough for erosion.

Yeah that's what I was thinking it would probably just be a normal coastline wouldn't it?

Overtime most of the east coast would resemble coastal Peru. And the area that in our timeline is the Colorado river delta is sufficiently flat for early settlement by boat, and has a geography that allows access to the rest of this hypothetical Californian island. Chances are, in an alternate universe, a major city would be built here for its strategic location.

Nye county Nevada which borders California has mountain ranges over 10.000 feet but the average elevation is just over 3000 feet . So where did they get those 13000 feet cliffs.

Except those cliffs wouldn't exist. The only reason they "could" is due to uplift by forcing the land California sits on eastward into the greater continent. An island wouldn't have been driven upward like that by the ocean. And natural processes called erosion would've carved those cliffs back and downward over time. They just wouldn't be there. Unless some human (or extraterrestrial) force literally carved the giant channel out of the Sierra Nevada mountains, it wouldn't be the way it's toyed with as an idea in this video. And it's Sonora... with two O's.

lol "senora"

We can live without californa

Plus a new trade route with north and central America

Damián "el Salsuero" lol you know NOTHING about formations in evolving geography, alternatehistory is correct in his assessment, or have you never heard of the white walls of england? Theres other examples but thats the most obvious one

Monster Ball Then they'd probably just call it "the state of Rhode".

Monster Ball or a road?

there is an actual Rhode Island. its just not the most populous part of the state

Dude i remember seeing your pfp somewhere "The adventures of the super idiot" Can i have a link

It is in the Medertarainin.

What if the King of Prussia accepted the crown offered to him by the German revolutionaries in Frankfurt in 1848?

Come on guys, what if Germany was united under Austria.

Bruh you have so much subs but still not replies

In that case, I'd probably be typing this from Sonora, where I'd assume most Chinese immigrants like my parents would go to.

He said it was for fun.

Why ponder the way things would be when the outcome is easy and obvious? He's looking at something interesting and innovative to consider.

Depends on how the island was made. If it happened then it would most likely be caused by the fault lines, and if we look at the best example of a a rift fault, the East African Rift, it’s characterized by deep, flat valleys and walls, as if you removed some blocks out from the middle. Of course, it wouldn’t have those massive mountains there in the first part. In fact, there wouldn’t be mountains at all.

Yeah. Major mountains on the centre, however, the coast is pretty flat. Same for the coasts of Arizona, Nevada and all that stuff. Their coasts would be flatter too.

Who cares? It's just California, I would be happy if they were trapped on a island.

Preston Garvey what if England was a city

Preston Garvey More things for you to mark on our maps.

Preston Garvey What if Preston didn't give a shit about settlements?

Let's try to refrain from making any "Another settlement needs your help" jokes.

The Crystal Gem that's gonna be difficult 😂

Nanna Leifa Finally, someone realize this.

Nanna Leifa finally someone realize this

Nanna Leifa and thriving native cultures and history!

Not necessarily. There could still be a gold rush in 1848 and California Island would still have oil. Areas like the Salinas Valley would still be very productive agricultural land. However getting oil and produce to the mainland would have to be by sea.

Yeah, the native and hispanic communities would have formed a strong identity I think even when the Gold Rush hit it would be too strong for the US to hold unto with all the transport and military troubles, it'd be a floating fortress My guess is that it would become a independent client state of the US much like Cuba was then

Continent > island

Y E S

YEH it’s a content an an island look at New Zealand/zelandia

By your argument, Eurasia would be the biggest island

Kamryn Rattana boi Australia was declared an island and soon was a content and Held on to island at the same time never officially being declared no longer an is land your wrong afrourais would be the biggest not Eurasia cuz the Middle East lets Asia and Africa be connected by land so it’s afroeuraisa

Evil Paragon 2 Hawaii is two time zones away from us, so it would be hard for them to get their still unless the islands drifter way off.

As I said, Polynesians in our timeline already landed in California and they mixed with the native Americans there. Polynesians in this timeline would make it there and would likely be the only dominant culture for over a thousand years. That is longer than Maoris have been around in New Zealand!

eh, not really, considering they've also said the Chinese likely visited north america shortly after the Polynesians (basically being the 2nd people to reach north america), if anything the Chinese would have spread to the island. Or if you push a bit further the Romans even as they have found roman coins in several states including Texas, they even found Roman paintings that used ink made of pineapple and squash which were only in the americas.

Evil Paragon 2 ok, but the native americans would have still populated california. kody even said that coastland oregon was low enough to make landfall there

That's crazy as bro

Did you watch the beginning of the video? Cody states that this video was just for fun and in real life would never happen due to geography.

Edfan 287 Well yeah but he's not saying that California being an island is impossible, he's just saying cody was wrong to estimate that there would be such huge cliffs.

and depending on how far the gap was between land, a bridge would have simply been built; Facilitating road transport.

Yeah, but he makes such a point of these unrealistic mountains, he shoulda really looked up why mountains don't grow that tall, and got them down and gone from there.

The ocean wouldn’t be eroding the land there the way it did in California so it wouldn’t be “just like or lower”

emu war 2.0

why the fuck would a bunch of fruit overtake a fucking state

Mic Clank it's funny because aussies (Australians) call New Zealanders "kiwis"

Doctor Jones no the animal

SaberVlogs lel

That would greatly affect how WW2 happened. First, the Tirpitz would've never been stationed in the fjords of Norway, and that it would have helped protect British supply ships in the lend-lease program. It could have also been a staging point for D-Day, as it is bordering Germany.

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Herr Kaese_Kuchen Because los santos is almost the size of greenland

Yes

Except poor yes

Yes yes i confused the city with the state

It'd be better. Just look at Taiwan under Republic rule versus how The People's Republic is now.

Taiwan wouldn't be pissed at the chinese

Taiwan China best China

Uhh, so, like, people flinging stuff and yelling profanities in Senate, massive dissatisfaction with government, filibustering in legislation and just as much problem with corruption as is in current China? I think you just made an argument in favour of the People's Republic.

That'll have negative effects on European colonization and Europe as a whole, a muslim Spain would possibly cut Italy, southern france, and any other mediterranean nation from exiting the mediterranean sea except for other muslim nations. This means that France, the UK, and the Netherlands would be the only European nations colonizing, and these nation's power combined wouldn't be enough to colonize as much as Europe did in our timeline did. The middle east would also be a colonization competitor, nations like Andalusia (muslim spain), Morocco, and Tunisia would start to colonize other parts of the world.

Portugal would most likely not exist as a nation, and the age of descoveries iniciated by the portuguese and built upon the other countries of europe would be delayed.

It would take Portugal aswell, and because Portugal invented or went to Asia and bought most navigation devises, this would not stop the discovery years but slow it down alot(maybe like 100 years)

If Muslims never conquered Spain, Spaniards wouldn't have white-to-olive-toned skin. They'd just be regular white. They'd also be more Germanic, because Visigoths.

Uncle Sam Do a VIDEO CALLED NUKE UNITED SATES OF AMERICA

It's not a city. It's *my* city.

Leave. Now.

Fuck I just commented this without seeing this comment and now people are gonna say I stole it even though I commented it before I saw this so now imma drive myself into depression and end my miserable life.

Well then... I suppose Japan could be more focused on either Central Asia or the US? With the help of its' ANZAC buddies?

They'd both surrender before even being invaded due to the logistical nightmare of US dominance in the pacific No oil, no farming, no army, no food, etc.

The emus would rebel against the fascist government.

Do a backflip!

Nah, the author of this video is heavily biased for the US because the is American, just check out his Texas videos

The US army would have still been far superior to the Mexican army geological fortification or not.

D Wilson with almost no ships on the pacific

All you need are row boats and climbing equipment. The Army has made do with much less.

D Wilson thats a massacre waiting to happen

I think this California would be a mix between Alaska and Hawaii. California had *a lot* of oil back then, and in this day, there are many oil wells still operating. And of course, there was the famous gold rush in North California. In the alt timeline though, it's very possible that the discovery would occur later, much like Alaska. I could see this California as major tourist spot like Hawaii, with many beautiful beaches and mountains. But yeah, the _huge_ downside of being separated from the mainland would be the very high cost of living, because of the Jones Act, places like Hawaii and Puerto Rico cannot trade with the outside world on their own, and every product goes to Alaska, Hawaii, and this new California must arrive from the mainland. This probably wouldn't sit well to the Californians, so there would've been stronger push for independence than our timeline.

California's economy mostly relies on agriculture I believe and other stuff not hollywood

Mela Pelas No, it is not. While California is the biggest agricultural state in the US, it's only account to 2% of state's GDP. Finance, Real Estate, Business sector, and Governmental jobs contributed much more. Arts and Entertainment surprisingly less than 5%.

UHmm, silicone valley honey.

gillecroisd 92 blah blah blah into the void

Tell Me This you should make a video on this :)

I think this is a question for RealLifeLore

It would be an Archipelago in constant war.

The infrastructure would be infinitly horrendous and it would crumple under itself in under a month due to mis-managment and mal-practice

It would,give furry cancer to all who enter

Hellenistic influence would've stood strong in Europe. Maybe if they could've, made American settlements if they lasted 100-300 years longer. than they actually did.

He already made a video on that. If you mean if Constantinople wasn't conquered, that's unfortunately impossible because the Byzantines at that point were far beyond saving and would've fell to either the Ottomans or another nation later on.

@@ragingshibe He didn't 3 years ago when I wrote that. :)

that said, I'm not sure the cliffs would be nearly like you put it. If anything, it might be more similar to Big Sur, just with less trees, and more of the Sonoran Desert feel. Quite possibly it might even resemble Gibraltar strait, with tall steep mountains on either side, and a way through them, and places to set up a port along the coast. Assuming this strait is as wide as the Gulf of California, taking away our beautiful Death Valley and Mojave Deserts, then going north on the east side of the Sierra Mountains and possibly thinning out at certain regions, but not too much (say the thinnest region is where Bishop, CA sits currently), and then turning towards the coast at Portland, it is a given that much of the mountain ranges would be drastically different. Given geological time and the rising and lowering of sea levels, there is bound to be some terraced action going on (look at the region south of Santa Cruz, there is a lot of terracing due to sea level difference throughout the millennia). then there would be interesting conversations about ocean currents.... do the cold waters of alaska split and move south along the strait? do the warm waters from Mexico move up the strait? how far? is the strait largely brackish water??? Assuming the thinnest part is where Bishop lies, is it possible to build a majestic bridge there? Kinda like the bridge in Istanbul?

Taking the Gulf of California as representative of the depth, no, except at the northern end (since the faults are rifting south-to-north). If you cut-n-paste the GoC over the Cali-Nevada/Cali-Arizona border, everything south of about Sacremento would be more than 300m deep. Of course it could be a narrow passage and then you could build a really impressive suspension or cable-stayed bridge, but then if it's a narrow passage the erosion of the cliffs has probably closed it up anyway.

I'm pretty sure that there wouldn't be enough land to make an Arizona. From what I saw of that map, and considering the mountains, your area would be too low in population. It would probably be part of New Mexico or Sonora, your other beach destination.

😂

That country song about having oceanfront property in Arizona would suddenly mean something completely different.

It would still be a Desert tho, 100 plus degree weather with ocean front humidity would be sweaty balls city :/

Animal Pack and you wouldnt be jealous of us floridians

Ian Kinley the thing?

Ian Kinley What’s that?

SFA44 From tbhe movie The Thing. It's a shapeshifting creature

It would probably suffer the same fate as Calvin from"LIFE": Several nukes to the face off-screen

Not a genwunner watch The Thing 1982 greatest movie ever.

Same.

What's that about?

@@kittykittybangbang9367, it’s a movie about one of the Big Boss clones from Metal Gear going to a separated California in order to retrieve the president’s daughter. It has been a while since I watched it last, so some of the facts might be wrong...

@@kittykittybangbang9367, it’s a movie about one of the Big Boss clones from Metal Gear going to a separated California in order to retrieve the president’s daughter. It has been a while since I watched it last, so some of the facts might be wrong...

Megaman Picachu basically a bigger africa

DwightTerreOfficial Idk, I guess it would be like puerto rico, but with military bases

Heck I’m Filipino

Theoritically it does, look at us we kiss the asses of everything american from their language and culture. Oh, and obesity.

My friend is American half pilipino

kdskdskOfficial Oh hi

It would be simple, because none of those things ever existed in the first place

Go to Star Wars theory and ask on that channel

robot 1435 what if obi one didn't have the high ground

Who's anikan?

ur-86 Obi-Wan always has the high ground .... from a certain point of view