i cant wait to see all the other ideas you could lead down i would love to see an way where the regional and regular variants for moltres ,articuno and, zapdos could have similar megas to show when the two versions started to split like the early stages of divergence between the different versions
Weren't Mega's discarded because they were too busted? It's the same reason why Game Freak keeps trying and failing with evolution gimmicks. The fact that they don't really get that making a Garchomp even more powerful is just going to warp the format.
They also connected it with Mega Evolution nicely, these two are primal beings and so exposure to infinity energy ignites them and unlocks their full potential rather than the confined form they hold after the world was finished.
I agree full heartedly. Their Mega forms in this video are interesting but a bit much to look at. Given how awesome in power they already are, they didn't really need more than what they were given in ORAS. It makes them look like they're overflowing with energy/power, which is awesome.
i definetely agree and also when it comes to their designs i also honestly like the more simpler and slique designs (as some would say less sometimes is more)
@@Shiro-fc9vq Agreed. I do like the idea of a Water/Dark Primal Kyogre though. The hypothetical Mega forms shown in this video were a bit much, and neither of the forms fit very well in my opinion. Seriously, "Mega-Groudon" looks like a Quagsire and a Psyduck got fused together with a Bombard, and I'm not a fan of the front part on "Mega-Kyogre" either.
Making Groudon and Kyorge Ground / Fire and Water / Dark respectively just makes them stat boosted Camerupt & Sharpedo. Those two being the signature mons of Archie & Maxie is a fun coincidence
The Kyogre and Groudon megas are cool but the primal version were meant to be them reverting to their primal state and unlocking their full power rather than being a different form.
Their base designs were spectacular and the remakes just gave them a slicker, more well defined form. It was perfect to me. So i think I'll take the primal forms over the mega ones lel
The only issue I have with primal forms is the fact that primal rayquaza isn't a thing. I feel like if you're making a trio, have them all have similar niches like make them all have megas or all have primals. It makes it feel like rayquaza doesn't fit in with an ancient kyogre and groudon since it isn't strong enough naturally to match them, like it needs a mega evolution to match their primal forms which isn't naturally occuring. Idk if I make sense.
@@nishanthv1112 yeah I wish Rayquaza had a primal but the thing was that Rayquaza would stop the fighting, where the whole point of primal was that they lose their mind a bit, it's just them going crazy trying to get all the power they can. Rayquaza got a mega evo because it still kept its mind while getting more power. However if we ignore that I would love to see a primal Rayquaza, I feel like the mega evo could have been better.
@@nishanthv1112 How I understood primal reversion is that it was a form of mega evolution that the Pokemon was trying to perform solo without the proper ability to control that infinity energy. However, Pokemon like Mewtwo or Rayquaza are among the few who have the ability to call upon the strength of mega evolution solo.
I always viewed the rayquaza bit being that unlike groudon and kyogre who revert to their primal forms back when they needed to make the sea and land, since rayquaza doesn't have that, I always believed it implied that rayquaza didn't need a primal form because it was already as strong as it was back when groudon and kyogre were roaming around in their primal forms, that's why rayquaza got the mega rather than a primal, what's the point of regressing when you even after all these millennia are as strong as you were back then, the mega in my eyes would've just been a boost to put the the two in their place if things got out of control, but that's just what I had in mind that's about it
I think Ho-Oh should be fire dark or ghost so it’s an actual counterpart for Lugia. So even tho it’s weak to Lugia’s new water typing, it’s strong with its Dark/ghost typing.
I would rather Ho-oh be fire/fairy typing to reference its origin as a phoenix like bird and also to give it a very strong competitive typing that, while still enabling Lugia to counter it, means it is extremely viable on all teams.
It still baffles me that Kalos, the region that introduced Mega Evolutions had only ONE Pokemon that could Mega Evolve. Not the starters, not the Legendary, but a Mythical! Why Gamefreak why???
While water/dark can work for mega kyogre, I think it should be water/ice instead. 1: it’s an orca/whale, they tend to live in arctic areas anyways 2: the dark type doesn’t exactly represent darkness or evilness, it’s more so mischievous and using dirty tactics, that doesn’t really fit kyogre 3: ice could represent the arctic climates better, you could also still say that it’s representing the deep ocean too since it’s cold down there
Did you know there’s a reason for why Rayquaza was the only one to get a Mega? It’s because our Rayquaza is already Primal Rayquaza. Our current Groupon and Kyogre lost their primal forms due to Rayquaza beating them up so hard they lost some of their power. Therefore, there should exist a weaker form of Rayquaza and Mega forms for Groudon and Kyogre.
@@PhilipAnthonyTV Yeah thanks for saying but I already checked it out ....Super hype bro 🫶🫶 Kalos is definitely my fav region...Can't wait for the gameplay...
Speaking of Shadow Pokémon, did you know that the main story final boss of Explorers of Time, Explorers of Darkness, and Explorers of Sky, is actually a Shadow Pokémon?
I feel that to counter Lugia’s water psychic type ho oh should be fire ghost type. This would mean they both have some advantage over the other and ho oh is a Phoenix which is reborn when it dies so ghost fits perfectly.
...i dont think he is trying to go for a full counter, fire n water are the counter while psychic is the link to correspond them together, going for a full drastic counter that would also mean something like make one land based the other aerial. Get what im saying?
I really think that a Mega Xerneas should get the additional Grass type that way it adds more to the life-bringing aspect that it has. Maybe a Mega Yveltal could become a Fire type instead of Flying to add more to the destruction aspect. Either typing for Yveltal would result in both of them having a super effective type against each other which was really lacking to begin with.
a fire/dark Yveltal would be neutral to Xernas fairy STABs but a grass/fairy Xerneas would be weak to the fire STABs from Yveltal. keep the flying type, then they have one type that has an advantage over each other.
I just realized while scrolling through the comments Primal Kyogre and Groudon could be considered mega evolutions, since it's theorized mega evolving brings out a trait that was lost to time (roaring moon, salamence's paradox form, looking like mega salamence, and mega aerodactyl's pokedex entry saying that the rock spikes that grow out of its body are from what it looked like millions of years ago)
Totally. And also he says their primal forms didn't change much from the originals, but then proceeds to not change Xerneas and Yveltal much. Also, primals are basically megas... 😂
Great art and concepts! The Tower Duo is my favorite 😍🗼🌈🌊. Lol I prefer the primal forms over your mega concepts though, I do think Kyogre getting the Dark type would be cool though
I agree with a lot of what you said other than Kyogre gaining the Dark type to be a good thing. I'd expect it more to be an Ice type since the depths of the ocean is really cold, same with the polar regions and since it controls all water, it makes sense that it'd be able to control the solid version of it as well. Besides, it also allows Kyogre to deal neutral damage against Groudon when it Mega Evolves/Primal Reverts because of both of them having the Ground/Fire type.
I love most the megas but Kyogre and Groudon look goofy. I prefer primal, they change enough where it's recognizable but is definitely a new form so I always considered it a Mega-Counterpart. Those fan-megas of them don't look right, they just don't fit.
It shouldn't be Psychic type to begin with. It was forcefully tacked onto him because one of the devs thought that the Psychic type represents the strong type and since Lugia is a Legendary Pokémon, of course it should've it, even at the expense of the Pokémon in question.
Megas are cool and all, but I think people way overhype them because they were the first gimmick to come out. Also, I think primal Kyogre and Groudon are just fine as is, I don't really think these mega versions are an upgrade. The only thing I agree with is that kyorgre should've been dual typed, but I think water/ice would fit better, or even water/psychic since it can control all the pokemon of the sea
i mean, mega kyogre and groudon are cool, but the primal versions are just perfect, i personally do not think that these mega designs look cooler than their primal versions. Otherwise i love these designs
No joke it is amazing to see such a near unanimous love for Mega Evolution out of all the mechanics introduced. That is all the proof I need, And boy did Elesteva knocked it out of the park here. Mega Ho-Oh and Mega Lugia are majestic )nice touch in giving Lugia its RIGHTFULL water type) and man are Mega Groudon and Mega Kyogre intense as heck.
"There is nothing in common in direct correlation between Lugia and Ho-oh, so let me delete their Flying Type which they shared and had in common so they can now have Psychic to have something in common!" Make it make sense
The fact that groudon and kyogre get their own primal forms whilst rayquaza just got a mega form kinda felt out of place when playing oras. I mean the design of all three forms are cool it just kinda felt off that the literal referee of these two titans just gets a mega form to settle em down rather than a primal form to match their level. Either way tho these three will always be cool!
The Tower duo look awesome, same thing with the Aura Legendaries, Kyogre looks scary, like a sea monster, but Groudon looks too bulky IMO. Overall awesome work, would really like to see more.
I think that legends that should receive X & Y froms treatment like Mewtwo are: Regigigas, Shaymin, Genesect, Keldeo, Kyurem (X for white, Y for black), Meloetta (X for aria, Y for pirouette), Necrozma, Calyrex (X for white horse, Y for black horse)
Honestly, I'd just give to any alternative form of Kyogre the Ice Type, first because the oceans are pretty linked with icebergs and ice in general, second because with the Ice type Groudon could have a chance to do just NORMAL damage to his rival! Good god, when Groudon mega-evolves, Kyogre could 1hko him even with a watersprout at 1 hp left! xD
Okay, so a couple of things I want to address here: 1) What are you going to do with Aeroblast? If Lugia Mega Evolves to PSY/WTR, it loses STAB to its signature move. If a PSY/WTR Mega Lugia would happen, there will need to be an ability similar to Steelworker in that it increases damage to Flying-type moves, but also has an additional effect like Multiscale because just having a new STAB isn't good for a Legendary. 2) No offense to the artists, but that Mega Groudon and Kyogre are uglier than their normal and Primal forms. I would not like them. That being said, making Kyogre WTR/DRK is a good idea, for the sole reason that now both Megas are the same types as their respective evil team's signature Pokemon. I'm surprised you didn't mention that.
i liked the idea of primal forms, it shows that they actually were more powerful in their own time, and i love that. it makes sense that they dont carry around that power anymore. that being said im still open to a mega for them, but having primal forms it feels like gamefreak wouldnt add them a third form to them when some other legendaries only have one.
Exactly. It's literally just Mega Evolutions with a different name. I don't get why they got them to begin with, especially since they don't even look good because of it.
Personally always believed that Lugia should have been a psychic water type from the begining. My reason is that it would give a deeper type of ying yang relationship between the two box legendaries simiar to the other legendaries like mew and Mewtwo being the first natural and man-made pokemon respectively. That been that Ho-oh could in a way represents a brigh and active spirit/mind due to been a light theme bird that's flying around the world doing something and Lugia the deeper, hidden and passive soul-subconscious that holds great amounts of power, like the actual subconscious, and is hidden/unseen in the dark beneath the oceans like the soul is hidden in the body.
@@bobmarkersonFirst of all, none of us know what Tera Forms mean at all, even the leak analysers. And second, I'd sooner see the starters and some random Pokémon get those forms than the Tower Duo. Because Legendary Pokémon don't deserve too much special treatment.
I really disagree about the Primals. They look more 'legendary' than their base forms, with boldened color pallettes and luminescent features. To be honest, and no offense to the artist, but your argument actually contradicts your thoughts on the Xerneas and Yveltal forms, which ultimately look way too similar to the bases.
According to the original creator, Lugia was not supposed to have Psychic type. He meant it to be water-flying since its supposed to be a mother-like Pokémon. And the oceans were the cradle of creation.
loved the video but i think it would make more sense if Ho-oh was the first fire and fairy type. Lugia then could be a dark and water type making them both super effective against each other and furthering the reference to shadow Lugia
Bro, Lugia is not a Water Type because was never meant to be an aquatic Pokémon. It uses to live on what now is the Burned Tower and then went to seek refuge at the Whirlpool Islands. Ever since he's been known as the Guardian of the Seas.
More episodes of this PLEASE! I loved these designs, especially for Kyogre and Groudon. It never made sense to me why Rayquaza got a mega but the other two just became glowy instead of getting amazing megas like Rayquaza. Some interesting megas to see in a future episode could be megas of the Alolan Nature's Guardian Quartet, or the Swords of Justice. I feel like those are some pretty underrated legendaries, and a mega could be just what they need to get the attention they deserve. Plus their designs could be really unique, maybe playing around with the mask design for the Guardians, or taking the Swords part quite literally for the SoJ.
The primal forms was because the lore gives Raquaza a mega evolution because arceus needed someone to be stronger than Groudon and Kyogor to stop their fights
I find it interesting that the megas for Xerneas and Yaveltal is from a hypothetical legends Kalos game and now we are getting a legends Kalos game bro predicted Legends Z-A
Imagine if Groudon had a terrain ability maybe called molten terrain which could, say, halve water damage towards Groudon specifically plus additional fire buffs while Kyogre retains a weather ability. Thematically it could be pretty cool seeing two different types of weather conditions clash at the same time.
