What if France Won the 'French and Indian War'? 

Back to alternate history stuff. This is focusing on just the North American portion of the Seven Years War, or 'French and Indian War' as it was to the British colonists. I will come back on this scenario eventually. If you like the plush, you can get it here for a limited time. bit.ly/3gNYMHa

“The flag of France remained flying over Montreal” *shows a picture of Quebec City*

0:54 "before ww2 there was ww1" Absolutely brilliant historical analysis

This reminds me of that line “England and France are fighting over the entire world, specifically Ohio”

Imagine being a Southern Rebel hiding in a forest in North Carolina hearing The British Grenadiers song getting closer and louder.

5:25 Fear To Survive 6:52 French Revolution would still happen 7:44 New France Matters 9:37 1820s Independence of Peace 11:45 Global Civil War 12:49 France big block in Manifest Destiny

Astronaut: "It's all Quebec?" *french astronaut holding gun behind them* "Ça l'a toujours été."

I'm just glad the 7-years war is finally getting popular recognition regarding its sheer scale...

British: “Guys we are running out of money, we gotta end the war” French: “Jokes on you. Government can’t say we are running out of money, if we already ran out of money years ago!”

As a British man myself, I can say for sure that the plush is 100% historically accurate.

I live in central Louisiana and we have an entire dialect of “Cajun” French that is still commonly spoken here We also trace our ancestry back to France.

Imagine being a confederate solider, looking up from behind your barricade, and seeing hundreds of british soldiers, flying the union jack, side by side with the Northern solders, all coming to wipe you out

1:50 "Napoleon Ohio" Man that cracked me up real good

When Cody uploads a video about the British and French during AICE Exam week in America: *BRITISH GRENADIERS INTESIFIES*

My god this is the quickest you’ve ever uploaded consecutively

Tecumseh during this timeline would be wild as he would establish prophetstown and begin expanding everywhere the French couldn't reach him. I think the Natives would realistically stand a chance against the Anglos had this occured

As a british person, I had NO IDEA what you meant by "french and indian war"

Good afternoon fellow people with nothing better to do.

Bro I was literally just wondering this and then Cody posts a video about it. Let's go

Speaking as an eighteenth-century specialist, I think you did a great job incorporating the interlocking nuances of the period to produce a compelling alternate timeline. Very nicely done!

So the 7 years war could be considered WW1, which would mean we're all trying to avoid WW4

the Indians would have gotten time, experience fighting Muricans & skills learned from the Napoleonic army.

I've literally been rewatching old AltHistHub videos and reading up on French history, especially Post-Revolution/Napoleonic Era France, for the past couple days. What amazing timing.

0:02 yes I do

1:38 France still controls two very much inhabited islands off the coast of Canada meaning New France technically still exists

I really like how the alternate histories you do are so much more realistic than others you look at the facts of the situation and practical solutions instead of something like “the colonists all move to Australia” or “we have America today but they’re French”

France probably could have won. I consider the European theater more of a stalemate than a French Alliance defeat

Yoooooooo I heard you were making a new vid but who knew it would be such a good prompt

I just want to say THANK YOU for all those years of content, I am following you since your first video. You made a busines out of this channel, making good money.

I've been dreaming of this video from the day I subbed years ago during your roman empire series Thank you

New France then: Oui oui look at how developed we are, hon hon hon we are the best New France now: *D E T R O I T* But jokes aside, there's actually another remnant of New France in North America. A place that's STILL under French rule to this day...the tiny islands and overseas collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon off the coast of Newfoundland. Britain granted fishing rights to France along the Newfoundland coast and allowed them to keep Saint Pierre and Miquelon under the Treaty of Paris. Their unofficial flag is pretty cool

The 18th century is by far my favorite part of history

This is a really really interesting alternate timeline. I feel like a lot could be done with this

Nice to see a new AlternateHistoryHub video.

I can see France annexing British held Rupert’s land, mostly because it was even less populated than French America, and because Rupert’s land was already a fur trading colony, so it’d fit right in with the rest of French North America.

As somebody who lives in Western PA where this war kinda began/was fought I can summarize this scenario in a few words; "We'd be speaking French."

I doubt that Napoleon would come to power since he was Corsican and the main reason Corsica was acquired by France was due to their loss in the Seven Years War.

2:47 Wow that's a pretty good picture! It's almost like a photograph! It's an HD painting!

I think you're underestimating the overwhelming population of native americans who lived there and the effects of the unrestricted biological war that the british colonist used against them...

Knowing Napoleon, he could make an American client state which would create much more messy timeline.

Wait... if France never lost the land in Murica. Wouldn't they be able to ease problems that led up to the French Revolution by shipping people off to Murica?

Last time I was this early Mussolini remade the Roman Empire

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The thing is, it's not just that the Natives and the French colonists would be stronger, the Thirteen Colonies would be much weaker. In 1770 in the real world, they had a population of 2 million. In 1830 it was nearly 13 million. That growth did not come from birth rate but from immigration and without the expansion to the west, immigration in the Thirteen colonies would be considerably slower. In fact, a lot of those immigrants would probably go to New France instead even if they don't speak french. After all, a lot of immigrants in the US did not speak english at first either. And that's without considering the damage Napoleon would do. So between stronger natives and french colonists on top of a weaker US, I don't think they expand west at all. They certainly would try to at some point. But they would fail, especially as their enemies take advantage of the Civil War. Also, no war of 1812 probably means Andrew Jackson isn't elected so Florida will remain in the hands of the natives for a while and military expansion is not an especially appealing prospect for the US without Jackson.

11:35 Anybody know what that music is?

"The flag of France remain flying over Montreal" (shows Quebec City's Chateau Frontenac) Triggered

“The only remnant of France’s control are New Orleans, Quebec and names of places that are definitely not French” Les Franco-Ontariens: Est-ce qu’on est une blague pour vous?

Assassins Creed Rogue I think did a good job showing off the French and Indian War which is pretty slept on

dear cody, Thank you for uploading fellow subscriber

It shows a white flag Is that the French flag?

You're my favorite creater, just so you know. Your videos are always amazingly entertaining and humorous, plus, your animations give it that extra delightful touch. I hope you you get the reward you rightfully deserve for the work you put into them. Thanks a ton, Cody.

Welcome back ladies and gents Whos not up for Another round of Commenting before watching.

1:11 Prospekt’s March!

So , MEGA-CANADA!

As a Canadian I'd be fine with this

That intro bit should have been: "Oi m8, you have taxes for that tea?"

Last time I was this early my parents still loved each other

This really is one of Cody's best speculations yet. Just enough detail given to each piece without necessarily letting the detail bog it down. Just enough detail given to make you really understand the impact of each consequence of the scenario. It's really nice to see such a well rounded and fascinating alternate history theory. I'd love to see a globalist version of this speculation. I would be highly interested in how this effects French and German relations in particular as German immigration into the new land was of the large drivers of western expansion in our current timeline.

Cody, please keep this format the same unless you get bored. It’s timeless. You have found a masterpiece. (Also maybe a gaming channel??? Idk I just saw people like CPG grey do it)

When Victoria III comes out we need to see a what if mod for this situation

I’m glad these are back! Always fun to watch stoned

A little part of me would hope that in this Alternate timeline some of the native tribes who sided with the French, embolden by their victory and the influence of their allies, would start to form and organize their own proper nation state or something. An unrealistic dream, but a pleasant one nonetheless.

It’s possible a similar document to the Royal Proclamation of 1776 could have been passed, leading to the indigenous people being heavily exploited rather than outright conquered, like what Canada did in our timeline

Considering the fact that in India the Seven Years War is known as the 'Carnatic Wars', I feel uncomfortable with a Francofone India... 👀👀👀

“original world war” sir you forgot the War of Spanish succession

"America got it's freedom thanks to France" Spain, Bernardo de Gálvez and their Pensacola boys: "Acaso somos una burla para usted?"

last time i was this early, it was just York

Better timeline tbh

Hey cool video, but small detail, at 7:10 you show "La Liberté Guidant le Peuple" to talk about the 1789 revolution. But this painting is actually about the 1830 revolution.

What I feel like you missed to elaborate on the quite possible Europization of the native tribes and the fact that they weren't as easy to wipe out. In fact a major native population remains and quite possibly adapts European technology and theory of state, declaring and independent native nation (quite possibly helped with weapons from France). If so they might or might not join the US as a predominantly native state greatly influencing the new state's identity probably leading to an even more isolationist state than ever.

7:26 La Marseillaise plays in background

Hey Cody! I think I have a pretty cool scenario for you to dive into. That is: What if Benito Mussolini never rose to power in Italy. I think that this would have some pretty severe side effects, since fascism only became popular after he imposed it on Italy. Thanks!

Nice video, I think you could have mentioned the Mexican-American war and how the French victory affected it.

Notification pops up. Immediately-You son of a gun, you got me.

So basically, it's either the French get Extreme Humiliation, or Temporary Victory. Everything else stays almost exactly the same. damn, the French didn't really had an advantage at all in this little European scuffle.

Is this one of those regional title thingies? Pretty cool

I'm from a town named La Crosse because some french traders saw a bunch of native americans playing a game they thought was, wait for it... La Crosse!

Can you do what if the Habsburgs won the War of Spanish Succession?

I think the ideal point of Divergence would be the death of Elizabeth Tsarina and Empress Russia. When she died, her nephew became Peter III (who was Frederick the Great biggest fanboy). Russia immediately went from attacking the prussians to supporting them known as the miracle of the House of Brandenburg. If Elizabeth lived a few more months, the prussians would have been crushed in the French and Austrian victory with Frederick as a foolish upstart King.

I was just talking about why it took you so dam long to make a video and then a got a notification

I don't think Napoleon would do anything about New France. He didn't really care about it since it was not that profitable, and diverting troops from Europe would be a mistake considering he cared a great deal more about his campaigns in Europe.

Alternative History suggestion: what if the Ottomans had won the battle of Diu

It’ll be like the 2nd Normandy if we do take them.

In my Canadian history class my class asked what if they french won the 7 years war? My teacher said that Britian is stubborn as hell so they would have kept going till they won

Given the surprising robustness of French culture in North America, I wouldn't be surprised if French would become basically the default language of the Middle states and some tribes when dealing with outsiders.

Please do a video on if the Scottish actually populated and succeeded in colonizing Darien in 1699!

Vive le Québec libre!

Yes I asked for this yesssss thank you

The fact Napoleon was mentioned made me really happy, considering I live 5 miles away from town! Never expected to be mentioned in an Alternate History Hub video, LOL.

Fucking dope. Would love a sequel. One of your best vids in awhile.

I haven't watched yet, but I will in a bit... I want to see the alternate history of the "Indians" winning the French and Indian War.

British and French “People” fighting over who’s an actual human:

Nice video!

No offense but this is this first one where I said out loud “ holy shit that is a good question”. Great job on this video, of course I don’t agree with 100% but it’s mostly great

Thank you Cody! This was absolutely fantastic brother! Highlight of my week

Never clicked on a video faster

I want part 2 so bad

Love this! Please do more alternate history about France winning the seven years war!

Last time I was this early, the French and English had empires

A good point of divergence would be the French flushing the Dutch and Swedes from what would become New York State, control the Hudson and establish a presence with strong native support on Long Island. It would have had to happen early on. The British had naval superiority but trouble inland. Boston would not had thrived as much, and the main British ports would be developed further south.