What if Gandalf Joined Saruman? Theory

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Gandalf was an instrumental character in Middle-earth, but much would have been different if he had joined Saruman in his pursuit of the One Ring and power. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about this theory and its premise in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@christosvoskresye 4 года назад

What if the Balrog had decided to HELP the Fellowship of the Ring?

@robertadams5423 4 года назад

Yeah!! What I'd evil decides to go good? Not enough stories about that

@monkeyman321 4 года назад

Robert Adams it’s always easier to do bad than to do good.

@MrSimonNay 3 года назад

Morgoth corrupted them over thousands of years and he was the most powerful valar overall. I dont see that being undone by lesser beings

@MrSimonNay 3 года назад

@Asoka S pretty much except she was corrupted by a literal god

@MrSimonNay 3 года назад

@Asoka S morgoth

@xCheeseHead95x 4 года назад

What if Gandalf had joined Saruman? Well, he'd take the hobbits to Isengard. Obviously.

@merry-cat 3 года назад

To isengard, to isengard

@stephenjohn2131 3 года назад

OMG 😂😂😂😂😂 this never gets old and always makes me laugh hard

@brianh9358 3 года назад

I dug around in the dusty depths of RU-vid for this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uE-1RPDqJAY.html&ab_channel=AaronHardbarger

@Will.Flavell 2 года назад

Those fools will fly away if Gandalf joined Saruman

@ryhasebaithead_official8473 Год назад

Bravo, bravo indeed.

@easonliu1766 4 года назад

Tell me my friend, why would saruman the wise choose reason over madness

@gkaskavelis 4 года назад

*Tell me friend*

@Count.Saruman 4 года назад

How dare you... Cur! Perhaps when your master's ring is found, you will be taught to hold your ethereal tongue lest you find cut out!

@_Dovar_ 4 года назад

Twice the pride - double the fall...

@kino_vel 4 года назад

@@_Dovar_ I've been looking forward to this

@ketchups2777 3 года назад

"Tell me, friend, when did Saruman The Wise abandon reason for madness?"

@fgtrhwu2 4 года назад

Saruman wanted to be a dark lord so bad that when his plans in middle earth failed he joined the Sith.

@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832 2 года назад

And then he became a dentist.

@yoyomayne 2 года назад

And then a death eater

@HeartlessRandomguy 2 года назад

@@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832 and destroyed the third Kingdom Hearts

@zacglover3345 Год назад

And after that he became a dragon

@QQ-xr8ky Год назад

Saruman quoted Tarkin at 5:45.

@yourstruly4817 4 года назад

Twice the pride, double the fall.

@MenoftheWest 4 года назад

My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Wizard.

@geviesanta3631 4 года назад

Oh wait, are you guys going through a Star Wars and LOTR cross over thing in the comment section? 😂😂😂

@Longshanks1690 4 года назад

@Gevie Santa *This is where the fun begins!*

@nuclearjanitors 4 года назад

Just watched RotS the other day.

@geviesanta3631 4 года назад

@@Longshanks1690 oh yeah, I think it could've been the best crossover fan film ever.🙂🙂🙂🙂

@deejayxcrypt 3 года назад

What if Gandalf and Saruman, instead of helping out in the war against Sauron and other evils, began their own joint pipeweed industry?

@melangellatc1718 8 месяцев назад

and made an awesome bourbon to go with the pipeweed!??!?!!

@kevinrussell1144 8 месяцев назад

I think the Men of the West site has already stewed their brains in Pipeweed and Pipeweed extract.

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 7 месяцев назад

"CLEARLY...your love of the Halfling's leaf has slowed your mind...."

@user-fc8tr8le5i 4 месяца назад

what do u think happen to the 2 blue?.....2 Blue Buds.....Farms and Dispensory...........its a new company fresh out of the territoy of the Harridrim...Hard Smoke for Hard Folk.

@Longshanks1690 4 года назад

What if the Ring had never betrayed Isildur and remained an heirloom of the Kingdom of Gondor?

@cryptosporidium1375 4 года назад

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England That’s assuming Sauron likes being a ring for the rest of Arda’s existence until Aule collects him and free him of his bond to it.

@thomasderouin72 4 года назад

The ring would always betray all those who posses it other than Sauron. The rings will belongs to him and him alone. It has no other master.

@cryptosporidium1375 4 года назад

The Darkknight the ring is a part of Sauron... he put his very being into it.

@ToddTheTolerable 4 года назад

Then Sauron would rule Gondor through Isildur and his heirs. Which actually sounds much worse than what happened. Also is Shelob Sauron's Palantir?

@sjortoni5760 4 года назад

@@ToddTheTolerable Shelob is the spider

@GormyK 4 года назад

They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard!

@robertmaniac 4 года назад

Ga ga ga gagard

@baguettegott3409 4 года назад

oh dang, they literally are I guess... you can find this comment under every single lotr related video on youtube, but in this case it actually works.

@madmouse1016 4 года назад

*Thingol cover* XDD

@GormyK 4 года назад

@@baguettegott3409 that was the intention lol

@UNLebanon 4 года назад

All the while, Golum was just hanging out in his cave playing Minecraft.

@shawn092182 4 года назад

UNLebanon Gollum stopped playing Minecraft years ago. After losing to Bilbo and wanting to win back the ring, he switch to playing fortnite.

@flyingcapsicum 2 года назад

Gollum starting a streaming career would be amazing. Would subscribe

@justinnyugen7015 2 месяца назад

Gollum comes looking for Bilbo in the Shire and happens upon the obnoxious Sackville-Baggins

@thelyle1399 4 года назад

“Whom do you serve?” Random Jamaican orc: “Gandalf mon!”

@shawn092182 4 года назад

The Lyle so the orcs from isengard were a Jamaican breed.

@DragonoidBerserker1 4 года назад

I like the idea of the other Maiar coming to aid the Free Peoples. Especially Eonwe.

@followingtheroe1952 4 года назад

This would have to also be an alternative universe without Pipeweed; because how else could Gandalf have defected?

@shawn092182 4 года назад

Myrdred Deceiver because Sauruman shared his secret stash with Gandalf, that's how.

@dt6119 4 года назад

Saruman had that mad kush.

@ItsButterBean1020 3 года назад

Had some of Radagast’s shrooms as well

@Feanor6450 2 года назад

He didn't defect the big difference in this story is that instead of asking gandalf to join with sauron he said that they could use the ring for good

@CharlesMarlow1898 4 года назад

“Saruman," I said, standing away from him, "only one hand at a time can weild the One, and you know that well, so do not trouble to say we!” ― Gandalf ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

@dxmaster19 4 года назад

Rohan without question, not only are the people brave and honourable but the scenery is incredible and everything from their affinity with horses to the horn Theoden blows so hard it shatters in his hand. How can you get so awesome?!

@davidnoble8002 3 года назад

Without Gandalf, because of him becoming Saruman's slave with a broken will it is entirely possible that the King of Rohan's mind would have never been freed from the power of Grima Wormtongue's deceptive influence over him that he had no control over. It is also because of this reason that Rohan possibly could have joined forces with Saruman as well as their ally.

@joshuaott7783 4 года назад

Damn, Last time I was this early the Elves were still teaching the Ents to awaken

@MrYTGuy1 4 года назад

I'm not convinced it would end badly either. Illuvatar demonstrated that even the discord introduced by melkor can be tamed and made to serve the ultimate goal of the great music. In other words the events may have played out differently but the end result would be the same in that it would be be that of illuvatar's will and his will alone.

@reencollett6835 4 года назад

Great comment - thank you for that

@qwertyTRiG 4 года назад

And yet much evil would have been done. Good may come out of evil, but the evil remains evil. This is an important point in Tolkien's philosophy.

@77777Spooky 4 года назад

I don't know if the Valar would have simply sent more Maiar to Middle Earth, since in this scenario, all of the Maiar who had come to its shores had been corrupted or lost. I think they would have called forth Eru Illuvatar, as they did at the end of the Second Age, and the results would have been catastrophic for the world.

@rredd7777 4 года назад

I don't remember this. When and why did the Valar call forth Illuvatar? And how could they call forth their creator? I guess I'm not that well versed in the second age.

@elentari801 4 года назад

@@rredd7777 The Valar called forth Illuvatar when Ar-Pharazon, the king of Numenoré which was corrupted by Sauron, invaded the Undying Lands. Illuvatar destroyed Numenoré and much of the western part of Middle-Earth. Hence, the coming of the Dunedain back to Middle-earth, where they founded Gondor and Arnor.

@rredd7777 4 года назад

Thanks. I forgot about the destruction of Numenoré in the Second Age. I kind of lumped that together with the destruction of Beleriand.

@Dude-sr4ji 4 года назад

Weren't the Istari the only Maiar willing to go on that quest anyway? It probably would have required the direct intervention of the Valar, with Illuvatar's permission, or course.

@shawn092182 4 года назад

Dude the wizards were chosen and sent to middle earth with a mission by the valar. The valar don't need Eru's permission since it's part of their duties as the rulers of Arda. Eru doesn't directly interfere with the events of Arda unless if asked.

@kevinbrady6075 4 года назад

"Don't temp me Frodo!"

@irontemplar6222 4 года назад

Middle earth: well we are fucked. Eru: well I'll get the opening ceremony ready for all the new arrivals.

@christianfarren1179 4 года назад

Erebor in its prime would be my choice. The exquisite craftsmanship, the ancient lore, roaring fires, malt beer, ripe meat off the bone, and hearty celebration. What’s not to love?

@robertadams5423 4 года назад

I'm going to give you a pass on this one because Gimli could just have easily said "eff it, I'll take you all to Erebor and we can have all the malt beer and ripe meat you want and we won't have to deal with drums in the deep or goblins or anybody's bane at all. It is just a little bit longer of a walk."

@anishsingh1926 4 года назад

A dragon

@shawn092182 4 года назад

Christian Farren "what's not to love?" The loud noise and scorching heat of those roaring fires. I rather enjoy a nice cold malt beer in the presence of the chilling roar of Durin's Bane. LoL

@jpduffy2003 2 года назад

I could probably do without the "Little hairy women who like to go swimming." Although I suspect Gimli would take issue.

@geviesanta3631 4 года назад

"Smoke rises from the mountains of doom. The hour grows late and Gandalf the Grey rise to Isengard, seeking my counsol."

@01Lamen 4 года назад

“For that is why you have come, is it not my old friend?”

@darthgorthaur258 4 года назад

"er actually no...I kinda just took a wrong turn on my way to see Elrond for his council after seeing galadrial for hers...oppsie...sorry" "Oh..right...ok then...fair enough, see you later..." I swear I'd of given them all the Oscars if they'de actually said that lol

@ChristianProtossDragoon 4 года назад

@@darthgorthaur258 😂🤣🤣🤣

@darthgorthaur258 4 года назад

@@ChristianProtossDragoon 😁

@treasurecave431 4 года назад

If gandalf joined saruman(and also by that joining sauron), middle earth would be conquered

@LosBlancoo 4 года назад

True it would be over by that point

@cryptosporidium1375 4 года назад

Treasure Cave I think he’d try to convince Rohan that Isengard is an ally despite the enmity with Dunland. If he can broker an alliance, Sauron’s armies from the misty mountains and the south would be screwed. The Uruks and Goblins of Isengard are loyal to Saruman. They have the capacity to do good.

@treasurecave431 4 года назад

@@LosBlancoo the west would have likely needed to intervene at that point as well

@someguy43210 4 года назад

no, I think Gandalf would have been wise enough to figure out Saruman's corruption before it's too late.

@Turin_Turumba 4 года назад

Yes but he would of overthrown Sauron and Saruman if he took the ring for himself

@RealArcalian 4 года назад

What if the Two Blue Wizards had returned and helped Gandalf?

@narri214 4 года назад

I like Rivendell, the Idea of a city on the edge of a gorge is a beautiful imagery for me and to have it secured by a river crossing and hidden away, makes Rivendell one of the kings of the hidden city tropes im so fond of.

@Gigas0101 4 года назад

"They knew the fates of the Blue Wizards and didn't search for them." I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on the Blue Wizards, as I don't think I know the fates of the Blue Wizards and you have a talent for weaving some of the most compelling tales of Middle Earth that I've heard since Tolkien himself. I wonder how long Saruman had been corrupted by those dark thoughts and designs of his, if there's a way he could have been given the ring but not have already turned to evil.

@jorgepalomo6417 3 года назад

Probably to help the Easterlings. We don't know how vast is the east of middle earth, but we know that all the humans there were corrupted by melkor in the first age, and sauron continue this corruption and control during the later ages.

@mechadoggy 2 года назад

If the Maiar “knew the fates of the Blue Wizards and didn’t search for them,” then I think the Maiar, in this hypothetical timeline, would simply know that the Blue Wizards have died because if they died, the spirits of the Blue Wizards would simply go to the Halls of Mandos, thereby notifying the Valar and Maiar of the Blue Wizards’ fate.

@lilmerthies8636 4 года назад

Definitely Khazad-Dûm. Everything about it, from its legendary founding to the eventual reclamation by Durin VII is awesome. So much beautiful craftsmanship and lore lies hidden there, the sheer thought of Balin's expedition there succeeding is amazing.

@jirim727 4 года назад

I like this thought experiment a lot. It shows that Gandalf really just wouldn't be Gandalf, if he acted this way. Even if Saruman managed to sway Gandalf with clever reasoning, it just wouldn't be right to see The Gray Wizard to lie to his Hobbit friends and manipulate them, even if he had only good intentions with them. As he was always about overcoming unthinkable odds and keeping some hope up to the last moment, this would be really out of character, not from the perspective of reasoning, but rather for the way Gandalf chose to walk, think and be, and he probably learned / chose to be like this long time ago. Really good job in reimagine this differently, thank you for this perspective!

@silaswheedleton1570 4 года назад

Great video my guy, keep em coming

@kevinfb1815 4 года назад

Dale, they have pretty much anything, it is huge, next to mountains and doesn't get attacked as much as other places in ME.

@Charlie-dd3mj 4 года назад

I found this channel recently after asking a lot of these "what if" questions myself, and love how you present them as alternate excerpts of Tolkien's work. Happy holidays, however you celebrate! And thank you for another excellent and thought-provoking video

@John1234Big 4 года назад

I very much enjoy these theory videos, please don’t stop making them

@MistahBryan 4 года назад

I'm continually amazed how you come up with a Lesson for each video,it's truly inspiring :)

@michaelgarcia3248 4 года назад

Awesome video. This was an epic journey as always

@TremeresRaspa 4 года назад

The Istari had their powers limited in order to prevent them from clashing against Sauron. The Valar did not want Maiar facing each other because of what happened in the First Age; Maiar against Maiar is like one atomic bomb fighting an other, their power unleashed would cause a lot of collateral damage.

@bryanrhudy4221 4 года назад

This was an awesome video man. Love your channel!

@tooth.harvester 4 года назад

Your theories are the only ones I like. Fascinating.

@nimanator 4 года назад

My favourite place is probably Bree... seems like a very homely place to be and I would imagine the pony is a very fun place to drink at or eat food in

@sennypalpy 4 года назад

Absolutely love your theory vids

@huanhoundofthevailinor2374 4 года назад

I wish we knew the fate of the blue wizards but I understand why we don't

@andrejsirbe7832 4 года назад

Why we dont?

@huanhoundofthevailinor2374 4 года назад

@@andrejsirbe7832 because the great Jrr tolken wanted to leave it an enigma much like Tom Bombadil

@andrejsirbe7832 4 года назад

He should not have done that :)

@huanhoundofthevailinor2374 4 года назад

@@andrejsirbe7832 yea some don't like it I would love to know to what happened but who are we to argue with the man himself but I think it was to add to there mystery

@jarlbalgruuf7701 4 года назад

Andrejs Irbe it’s so people will speculate and form theories as to what happened. It’s gives the world a lot more mystery and keeps people talking about what happened.

@xnakxx 4 года назад

One of the best so far!

@michaelrichards8846 4 года назад

I misread that title for a second and thought it said what if Gandalf had joined Samurai

@TheLostArchangel666 3 года назад

... What if Gandalf joined Samurai Jack?

@frederikfrancis1010 4 года назад

Very interesting. Epic👍🏻💙 I like your videos.

@Uphier 4 года назад

Thank you once again for another master crafted video.

@mikepicardal9863 4 года назад

Thank you for these videos I feel like an outcast liking LOTR lore this channel is awesome 👏

@Lngbrdninjamasta 4 года назад

This was a great "what if?" Thanks for sharing this! I would've loved to visit Gondalin the descriptions of the hidden city have always intrigued me. 😅

@littlepotatomaneatstomatoe7454 4 года назад

Amazing I watched all of your videos

@bradleybriggs4910 4 года назад

Your videos are always so well edited and voiced over. Keep up the great work. XD

@tulkas42o22 4 года назад

When you have two players seduced by the same forces to work as one , success or no its only a matter of time before they turn on each other. Gandalfs character never gave us a hint of him entertaining nefarious deeds. When we first meet saruman he immediately gives off the untrustworthy vibe. I can't see gandalf going dark not even for a "what if" were given nothing to work on..character wise...unless I'm wrong

@fenny8258 4 года назад

In a 'what if?' scenario were talking about an extreme change in the story, so there would probably be indicators for that. But you're right it couldn't happen with the current Gandalf at all, it would not fit him in the slightest

@shawn092182 4 года назад

It's possible for things like that to happen. Even actions with good intentions can turn out badly. That's why in the original, Gandalf refused to take the one ring and use it against Sauron or to bring peace and order. Even Sauron and Saruman had "good" intentions of bringing order to middle earth. It's how they went upon doing it, is what's questionable. Melkor was the only one who wanted to destroy creation.

@imranbobic 4 года назад

Great videos, love it

@tarinakertoo 4 года назад

My favorite place must be Evendim. There is so much lore and knowledge in there and you get to hang with Dunedain and explore ruins of Annuminas (stop few tomb robbers along the way :D ) Great video as always! happy holidays!!

@marionbaggins 4 года назад

I thought this will end darker then it did, but it didn't!!! I have had a great day Mellon, Thanks for asking!!! If I was to pick a place to live in middle earth...It will be the Shire, it is very homely and relaxing...and I have been there!!! Thanks for this Theory Mellon, it is like a early Christmas Present, Until a Livestream *Screams in Happiness* I am sooo happy!!! I am going to check, if I could make another if not...Otherwise Marion Baggins Out!!!

@marionbaggins 4 года назад

And I checked and I can make it!!!!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

@Feanor6450 2 года назад

For me it would be doriath nargothrond gondolin or khazad-dum

@muisje_mira358 4 года назад

Loved this theory, and how indepth your videos always are! My favorite place in middle-earth must be Imladris, because it's visually stunning and beautiful of course, but also because of the history of the place, like how it is the last homely house east of the sea and the council of Elrond during the events of LotR. Thank you for making these wonderful videos which make my day a little brighter💗

@thesigmaritepainter7803 4 года назад

Very interesting video Yoystan! Happy holidays and an inspiring an healthy 2020! Favorite place would be Erebor, nothing better then living together with honourable Dwarfs in an mountain hold.

@jdoc3118 4 года назад

Always thought Christopher Lee would be the better Gandalf. After all Gandalf is often spoken in negative light by the ignorant and his travels and worries have taken their tolls upon him. Him viewed as an omen of bad news also speaks of this. Saruman should be the kind grandpa in looks, his appealing and venerable appearance complimenting his powers and character.

@HerrZenki 4 года назад

I kind of agree.....his nicknames speak for themselves after all...names of Stormcrow and such....

@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer 4 года назад

yes, Christopher Lee would`ve been a better Gandalf...the problem was...he was the best Saruman...I wish they would`ve focused more on that amazing voice...especially in the third movie.

@lukejohnson1274 4 года назад

I believe he read for Gandalf but got the part for Saruman.

@Halbared 4 года назад

Excellent idea. Better than the mtv version we got.

@MandalorV7 4 года назад

I think Peter Jackson wanted a more straight forward sinister view of Saruman. Also I can't help but associate Lee's Saruman with Count Dooku in Star Wars. Lee did a great job with both characters and I feel they are similar.

@johnnada649 4 года назад

Now THIS is an interesting thought. Truly a gem in the art of breaking expectations.

@44SCB 4 года назад

My favorite place in Middle Earth is Rivandel. It's beautiful with it's artwork, and trees and waterfalls. I love the elves.

@jesusaldairortizrosas1386 4 года назад

You got me hooked with this theory. I could feel the emotions; especially when Gandalf realizes his mistake at the doors of Orthanc.

@JCResDoc94 4 года назад

*☼ gr8 one! awesome story man. this really is the only property so far not ruined by the film adaptations...yet*

@hillardward4779 4 года назад

interesting, i like it keep up the good work

@t.g.b.1164 4 года назад

Awesome theory man.

@DarkInos 4 года назад

Great video :) I really do enjoy your theories :-) I hope you have a load of them still in your pocket :P As for favorite place.. I'm too peacefull to be a warrior.. I do not enjoy company of horses.. so well :) Shire it shall be.

@shawnberry760 4 года назад

I love your videos and I really love your what if videos. I hope you have a great holiday and keeping amazing videos. Maybe some ideas for Valentine’s Day? You can do a video about what if Aragorn chose aowen instead of Arwen or if Legolas actually got with Turiel. Thanks for listening.

@ibrahimsabe991 4 года назад

Thanks for the very interesting Theory :)

@luxambience2787 4 года назад

Awesome theory as usual!

@jongaulthero 4 года назад

Another great tale, man! Always love these. LOR lore never gets old to me. Thanks for the hard work!! My favorite place in Middle Earth is Valinor in the Undying Lands. It's history and people shaped everything about Arda and I always loved how no one was allowed to visit the West unless specifically allowed to. They would not face any border guards, or terrible, magical weapon, they'd just sail and sail and sail, if the storms didn't wreck them, on into the horizon never finding it. Something very ethereal about that! Peace!!

@robertadams5423 4 года назад

Love this description

@robertadams5423 4 года назад

This was really great. It's hard to say what would have happened without Gandalf's guidance and support. The Valar sent the wizards to assist in the defense of the free peoples. They were sent specifically not to use sheer power or magic to act as saviors of the world. Rather they were sent to inspire, encourage and empower the Children of Iluvatar to defend themselves. The Valar, unlike Melkor and Sauron wanted to subvert the free will of Illuvatar's creations to subservient and banal purposes. If Gandalf were in this scenario to have sided with Saruman in the war of the rings and the Valar decided that another direct intervention was the only way to defeat evil, then Arda itself would most likely have been broken again as it was when Beleriand sundered and fell into the sea. This is what the Valar had always wanted to avoid. And the consequences of them involving themselves in this conflict would certainly have killed many a folk if not drove some of the children of Illuvatar to extinction. Like you said in another recent video, evil ultimately destroys itself. Frodo was not able to destroy the ring at the end of his quest. I wonder if the Valar would truly have "felt guilty" as you said about the failure of Saruman and Gandalf enough to attempt to fix their errors by personally intervening against the Wizards and Sauron. Or, maybe knowing the consequences to Arda after they intervened to finally defeat Melkor that they would instead leave the free peoples to their dreadful fate with the hope that they could redeem their world without the interference of the higher powers. It's a really interesting question. Thank you. This was fun. I love your channel. I know only one other person in the world who has actually read and understood the Silmarillion. So this channel has been a godsend. Keep it up!

@spyrofrost9158 4 года назад

Certainly, my favorite place in Middle Earth is The Lonely Mountain, Erebor. The lone mountain standing as a warning against foes from the east that naught but fearsome dwarven warriors dwell within. Of course, the architecture of the Dwarves it to be admired, and the massive hoard of wealth stored within the mountain. It surely would have been a comfort to the nearby men of Dale and Laketown.

@joannelucille 3 года назад

Fascinating 😌

@gabegabriel3739 4 года назад

What a fantastic theory! My favorite place is definitely the old forest on borders of the Shire and I would love to see so much more about the history of those trees 💚💚💚

@sunwukong6897 4 года назад

Rhistonnad Veren! Merry Christmas Yoiston! I wish you and your kith and kin well! I guess I like Henneth Annûn, the Window to the West, or Edoras the most while I was reading the Two Towers. But anyways, I hope you have a great Christmas!

@zman3479 4 года назад

You are awesome at this! You should be writing movies!

@gideonhodge3723 4 года назад

I've really been enjoying this series thus far, but this one is my favorite. Just the idea of this new force of Maiar just sounds so majestic and amazing.

@hughgedney3393 4 года назад

Very great video Men of the West. And happy holidays too.

@VerdictBDO 4 года назад

"Dark have been my dreams of late." - Rohan is my favorite place ever. It's a majestic but desperate land... on the outside fabulous, on the inside rotten and disgusting... or at least until Gandalf had a say in it. I love your videos my friend!

@kacperlesniewski9035 4 года назад

Hey. Really great video. I love it. I have even idea for next one: "What would happend if Pippin did not push skeleton to the weel in Moria?" I mean here, without this goblins and Barlog wouldn't saw Companions and ther wasn't duel bettwen Gandalf and Barlog.

@LaWraWaN 4 года назад

Its hard to pick a favorit place.. but I really do like Evendim in Lotro. Beautiful and full of lore.

@AmiraMekki 4 года назад

Weeee My favorite place would be Lothlorien, because I love forests and it looks so beautiful and enchanting.

@Fluffy1877 4 года назад

My favourite place is definitely Ithilien. So much forgotten history recovered by nature, and seemingly so peaceful yet it being on the edge of places of importance. Love it.

@fantasynerd8 4 года назад

Very well done

@hudsonball4702 4 года назад

Another good video. I'm actually writing out a "script" to the result of the next Theory video (if it's chosen) and can send that to you if you'd like. (What if Golium had truly turned good after pledging Loyalty to Frodo.) My favorite place in Middle Earth. That's a tough one to choose. I'd have the choose the Anduin River. It's the most important body of water written about in All of Tolkien's books. Both the Hobbit, LotR, and the Silmarillion.

@ChristianProtossDragoon 4 года назад

Send it to me.

@andirosesixx6 4 года назад

This is a very interesting theory. 😯

@candicecarter581 Год назад

People need listen to their instincts and wisdom before it too late. Good work on the video.

@toplobster740 4 года назад

The last time I was this early the ents were still young.

@arbington 4 года назад

Oh no. That would have been bad.

@Count.Saruman 4 года назад

Thou heretic...

@LadyPersephone133 4 года назад

arbington, your staff is broken.

@80budokai 4 года назад

Men of the West, great video! Enjoy your Monday!

@liambethell2584 4 года назад

Love the videos. Would love to see a theory that similarly plays off of this moment in What If Gandalf had defeated Sauruman in their duel in Isengard when Sauruman tried to turn him?

@bernardofrancom7714 Год назад

Somehow I find the video title offensive lol. Awesome channel mate.

@mauramahon7685 4 года назад

Your story telling was so great that I thought this actually happened. Then, halfway through the video, I realized it was just a theory. In terms of where in Middle Earth I'd like to visit, it was a tough choice, but I'm probably going to go with Gondor. I would be able to meet Aragorn and Arwen and live there.

@TEXNORRIS10 4 года назад

I love your videos

@pdxholmes 4 года назад

Great video as always. My favorite place in Middle Earth is definitely Fangorn Forest. It’s full of mystery and wonder, Treebeard is one of the best characters in the legendarium and who isn’t curious about the Entwives?

@JacktheRah Год назад

Nice story, glad it ultimately had a positive outcome.

@eviesunshine9256 4 года назад

Lothlorien would have to be my favorite. It seems quite peaceful there. I could just relax my life away as a bookworm and write poetry all day.

@darthsidious9972 4 года назад

Keep it up you will be big once Amazon’s tv show comes out

@Timit2 4 года назад

If all the silmarils had been recovered and the 2 trees restored, how would this have affected Middle Earth? The absence of Earendil's star to start with.

@yogidemis8513 4 года назад

I really enjoy these "What if" stories of LOTR. I've heard others "What ifs" from other Tubers and each is unique stories. I think these "What if" stories could make a good mini series. "A imagination is a powerful gift."

@Dragonbro91_ 4 года назад

this one reminded me of your previous what if were it ended with gandalf on the coast of the grey heavens after all the free people had been broken,a very well crafted story that still brings sorrow to my heart.

@ianvanwaes1804 4 года назад

I've been reading a lot about middle-earth lately. Meaning I got introduced to a lot of new places. Although the relaxed life of a hobbit always appealed to me, I'm gonna have to go for a dwarven city. Not gonna choose Moria, the blue mountains or the iron hills for I have to go for Erebor, the lonely mountain. Probably because we got some amazing views of this city due to the hobbit trilogy. Why erebor? Their lifestyle is realy appealing to me, work hard play hard. You work all day and after work you have a nice meal with a lot of meat. (I love my meat, so no elven city) and afterwords you go drinking with all your good friends just to do it again the next day. Thanks for making these video's. They've inspired me to start reading about middle earth instead of just watching the films over and over again. I've been with you for over 2 years and I'll be with you for many more.

@Makkaru112 4 года назад

Read the books, children of Hurin especially.

@ianvanwaes1804 4 года назад

@@Makkaru112 I've got it already. Gonna start reading it after my exams.

@sageofcaledor8188 4 года назад

Nice video.

@MournfulDust 4 года назад

It would be really cool if you would consider maybe talking over the topic of what would have happened had Saruman had been genuine (meaning him staying true to his side but still 100% convinced he needed to take the ring and use it) and overcome the corruption of the ring after getting it)

@DragonoidBerserker1 4 года назад

In the future, could you do a video on the War of the Great Jewels for your Wars of the Lengendarium series?