WHAT IF GOTEN was GOKU BLACK? 

Goten black would actually redeem his entire character development imo

Goten is still doing the Zero Study Plan with Kid Zamasu...

This would be a really intense arc and would probably give Goku and Vegeta some needed character development while also giving Goten some relevance!

That was Dope!! This is definitely a more compelling story

I thought the title said “ What If goten was black”. I was gonna be like chichi must of been really bored when Goku was dead.

I liked the idea of Goten being the true identity of Goku Black because it would start rebuilding the idea of Goku's legacy. Gohan was born with latent power, and Goten didn't struggle to unlock his. While Gohan chose to be a scholar (which fits his character), Goten showed more willingness to fight. The Buu Saga ran with the idea of the next generation becoming better than the previous, but never followed through with it. Goten becoming a villain would revive this lost plot thtead, and invert it. As said in the video, this would force Goku to reflect on how Goten has been raised neglectfully, and force change. I do have a few issues with your take on this storyline though, which I'll address as follows. Goten becoming genocidal towards all life because of the parenting style of 2 saiyans does not line up. I'd suggest having Goten be corrupted by the influence of another: Zamasu. I would rewrite the story so that Zamasu's introduction plays out more or less the same, including Beerus sensing his Ki, however, after his fight with Goku, Zamasu would become obsessed not only with Goku, but the entire saiyan race. After studying their history, it reinforces his belief that mortals are undeserving of life. However, this Zamasu is left feeling inferior to Goku and his friends, so instead of body swapping Goku, he opts to abduct Goten using a time ring so as to raise him to be the one to eradicate all mortals. Zamasu would use the time ring to show Goten the absolute worst capabilities of mortals, with an emphasis on his Saiyan heritage. After thoroughly traumatizing Goten, Zamasu would harshly train Goten to reach his full potential, reaching levels of power far sooner than the rest of the cast ever did. Their training continues for what would be years, until Goten reaches a level eclipsed only by the gods. Believing this to be enough, Zamasu tasks a thoroughly brainwashed Goten with the Zero-Mortals plan. The rest would play out more or less as described in video, except Zamasu would have a presence as a supporter and witness to their goal, and would prevent Goku and Vegeta from interfering. Thanks for reading for so long!

So he kills himself...

Both Gohan and Goten have more potential than Goku. So Black would be stronger.

I would enjoy this more than what we got

Goten: You damn teachers! One day I’m going to eliminate all of you and be a god! Teacher: Goten wtf?

Goku: *i brung you into this world, I can take you out*

Goten black would have made the ark way better

Imagine how goku would react when he found out he'd probably break down crying

if goten was goku black.... 👏 At least that character development

Goten black when he kills chi chi: “I dont know who you are, but you dying has never felt more cathartic.”

“I was always in his shadow” honestly I love the way you made this story, this would make the ark much better, amazing writing

Goten Black would actually body everything, because hybrid saiyans have more potential

I feel like this scenario sets up a good beerus scene you didn't bring up. Instead of beerus going after zamas (obviously) he would say "Goten has to be destroyed for killing gods in alternate timelines, this will stop that from happening" and Goku has to stand up for his son, creating tension between the two, which is something I think we haven't seen enough of between beerus and goku.

Imagine how poetic it would be? The son of the villain being the hero against the son of the hero. Perfect balance!

if goten was goku black, he would have the n-word pass. but not for long since he would dissapear after killing himself.

It would be pretty cool to see an entire arc where one of Goku's sons either become evil or snap and they try to kill Goku, I guess as some payback for not being in their lives more often

I think that if goku Black was goten they could have made him and zamasu unfuse cause he is mortal and then zamasu turns into that crazy universe mode.Then goku Goes to talk with goten and goten’s tear up as he tries to fight goku but goku just dodges.He says sorry he did not notice how bad of a father he was.Goten falls and starts crying and says “What have I done.I was a brat and now everything I loved is gone” Then trunks arrives and puts his hand on gotens shoulder “You can still fix this,tell us does he have a weakness.” Goten says that zamasu dies but it will take a HUGE amount of power.and as he says that he smiles at trunks and says “WE don’t have that power,but I know someone who does” They both smile and say “GOTENKS” The plan was.Goku uses the spirit bomb and aims it into the sky that will create a 1 second opening so they have to go fast.Goku. Charges the spirit bomb and shoots it into the sky.the moments the spirit bomb hit the sky we hear “THE REAPER OF JUSTICE IS BACK” As an adult gotenks rises from the floor he turns ssj then ssj2 then ssj3 THEN he turns ssjrage and with all his power he shoot a giant galickamehameha(a mix between gálica gun and Kamehameha)straight into the opening just as it’s about to close.This cause Zamasu to go back to his normal state.He looks up at gotenks and says “Traitor,You are just a pathetic ningen just like these fools.” Gotenks smiles and says “If been a god means I have to destroy those I care about.Then I much rather be a mortal” Gotenks picks up the z-sword and slashes Zamasu in half. In the end goten and trunks work to rebuild the future and goku comes home and hugs goten,then he says “I love you goten,I just wish I had told you sooner.”

What if in this theory Goku Black just lies about killing Goten because it is him?

The cutting goten’s hair part is like dragon ball r&r episode 2

He would have no dad so he would be the same

When you said “Ki blade” my mind jumped to Kingdom Hearts

The actual story line shouldve been goten being black

I love this. This gives Goten so much characterization. That "Can I cut my hair please?" line was a little heartbreaking when you think about how Chi-Chi has been cutting his hair this whole time to *make* it look like Goku's. Goten was swallowing his discomfort and letting it happen. After the Buu arc, he knew the reason she chose *that* haircut for him- even if he had it at birth, his hair would've always been trying to grow out of it. I imagine it would be hard to tell his mother no since he's clued in on it being a coping mechanism for Chi-Chi (She wanted to see Goku, so she made her baby look or keep looking like that little boy she fell in love with). With Goku alive n everything- it probably uncomfortable for Goten to have the bar still going higher and higher; that life that he was likely going to be forced to duplicate once Goku dies for good. During the buu arc, no one but Gohan (arguably) wanted Goten for anything but another Goku and a fusion partner for Trunks. Fighting is fun, but was that all he would be allowed to do, all that he would be expected to do? One day he's sparring with Gohan and learning ki control with Videl, the next, he's being *forced* to learn fusion because his older brother *died* for all he knew-- and it doesn't even work. It doesn't defeat Buu! **Slaps Goten like a trunk of a car** this bad boy can fit so much trauma in him. You *know* he has impostor syndrome of some kind. With Gohan living in the city with Videl, I wonder if that could lead to Goten's feelings festering with his main support gone. Goku is there, he's alive, but he almost never spends any time with him. Is Goku aware of Chi-Chi cutting Goten's hair? I feel like he wouldn't approve of her doing that- if he understood the implications...

Honestly, though I still enjoyed this, I was expecting something along the lines of Zamasu manipulating Goten to be his underling or partner using the aspects you mentioned in the video. That said, I still enjoyed this take on things quite a bit, so keep up the good work! :D

I SO wanted this to be true. An evil future version of Goten would've been so damn cool, and one hell of a wakeup call for Goku. I really hope if DBS continues, that they listen to ideas like this and take the characters in new directions.

I actually love this more ....wayyyy more of what they did in the anime, I hated the Goku Black arc, the story makes no sense, the twist made less sense and didnt move anyone forward, it was just....and sorry for the ones that likes Black.....it was just FILLER, at the end didn't make any difference in any character, cut that arc and look the entire DBS and the Tournament of Power will be the exact same, now this arc, developed Goku relationship with his son Goten, makes him a better father, developed Goten into his own character, developed future Trunks making him the true badass he need it to be, also Vegeta as a father and mentor figure and the same Black got a lot more deep, this should have been the real twist, sadly didn't and we end with a popular villain just for his look and personality, nothing else.....Goku Black is just filler as the way it is.

And he uses his signature technique...THE KEYBLADE..I MEAN KiBlade!!!

it would have been so much better if it was goten

Carthu: He creates a signature technique: a ki blade. Me: How does Kingdom Hearts work into it?

When I first heard of Black one of the rumors was. Zamasu was using Goku's Corpse from Trunks time that's how he got it. Too me that sounds more sinister

I really wish Goten and Vegeta get more success stories in the series going forward.

Personally I would like goten to keep his hair and get ssj rose to show the fans toriyama knew the theory plus I’m sure akira could make it work like if a kid gets god ki they get this form

Goten as black would make sense... seeing his mother crying many times because goku was never around... or in his life. It would be more dramatic seeing goku fight his own son and trunks his bestfriend, would really develop goten

this would’ve been an amazing arc if it were Goten all grown up. his ambitions to rid of all the evil and violence of the universe. his growing hatred of his father not being there more for him. the writers could’ve wrote up something really nice. it also would’ve portrayed gotend potential of him achieving a form that goku & vegeta couldn’t. a much better goten vs trunks. would’ve easily became the best arc.

Way better than the whole body swapping thing,i imagine Goku having a mental breakdown,Trying to atleast save his goten

So your saying goku black is goten And the way the resolve goten becoming the greatest villian of all time was to give him a haircut At lest it isnt worst as broly's revenge because goku cried

When I saw Goku Black, I thought it was goten

Alternatively, Zamasu saw the resentment Goten had towards his father, so he decided to take him under his wing.

Yoooo. This was sooo good. Omg so much better than they did! Blow my mind.

These "What ifs" keep getting better and better

I've been waiting for this

Always liked the idea of this theory, this made me like it even more! Great video man

This one is very different, but with what was given about the characters, it's hard to argue even their normal actions. In any case, it would be cool if both Trunks and Goten started in SS2, but Trunks elevated himself during the fight, either to god or something else. The rage form was meant to help establish him as his own, but the other Saiyans stayed too long.

Yay I got my first like!! Why is it blue?

It would be an ironic twist on Goten's lack of character. All that rage and silence from an empty unloved child.

We need this in a movie form💯 would be my favorite Dragon ball movie of all time

Your vids are like crack because I'm addicted to them.

Was waiting the whole *dAy* for this one chief

Goten Black would have created a lot more intense drama than what the Goku Black we know did. I hope that something similar to that does happen in the future of DBS.

Very nice video this was well constructed and I like how you played on Goten's name when saying he is like a goku being reborn hence the ten in his name referring to tenshi=angel

Hey really love your videos hope you make it big you put out the best what if’s and most logical keep it up

Thank you Carthu, very cool!!!

So wouldn’t there not be two Zenos as well since the other one didn’t destroy everything?

I love you Carthu keep up the great work!

Like brooo like the ideas you get for these "What If" is legit bro like the dragon Ball nation should take notes

What would have been better is if Zamasu instead of using his wish to switch bodies with Goku, his wish was to find someone cable of becoming stronger than Goku that person turns out to be Goten. He becomes immortal and blindsides Goku and kills him and takes Goten. (we’ve seen when Goku isn’t paying attention he can be hurt). He can use Kai magic of some sort to distort Goten’s mind, takes him away and trains him to become the ultimate killing machine. Then once Zamasu believes he’s strong enough he brings him back to Earth, this is where he starts the eradication of mortals. The Future Trunks we then see isn’t the future Trunks we know it’s of a timeline similar to the main timeline and it is the essentially the main timeline Trunks as an Adult, makes more sense why Mia is there now too. Turns out Goten just appeared at Capsule Corp one day and when everyone went out to greet him after trying to find him for years Goten blows up the entire West City. Trunks and Vegeta are able to save Bulma and the rest but the rest of the people die. Vegeta decides he’ll take out Goten alone and he and Goten begin to fight. Vegeta in Blue is way to much for Goten at this point, though Goten’s strange Zenkia boost is making him stronger as he is being damaged so as much as Vegeta pushes him back, Goten keeps coming. Eventually Vegeta decides that one attack, one final flash will finish it for good, then he can go back to his family so Vegeta starts to charge up and as he’s charging and Goten is on the ground unable to stand against the might of Vegeta an energy blade goes straight through Vegeta’s chest. It’s the immortal Zamasu and he’s just been waiting for the chance to kill Vegeta. Vegeta utters that Beerus will stop them but Zamasu explains that he already killed the Supreme Kai, there are no Gods to save him and before Vegeta can utter another word a Kamehameha blows Vegeta away to nothing. As Goten lands next to Zamasu stating “I don’t care what you do, but the sayians are mine to kill. Don’t you dare try to take that away from me again”. After fighting against Goten for so long eventually Earth is a wasteland with underground bunkers being the only way to have peace from the violence of Goten. Gohan, Yamacha, 18, Bulma and Trunks are all preparing for something. Gohan stands and announces “It’s time to stop my brother” We cut to Gohan outside as he powers up to super saiyan as he realises that hasn’t done anything, he takes up to super saiyan 2. Still with no response Gohan decides he has to go all out and Gohan transforms into Blue (turns out this Gohan after Goku died and Goten was taken felt so much guilt over losing his father, losing his brother he swore he’d do everything he could to find and save Goten, he knew who ever took him was strong enough to kill Goku so he trained with Vegeta, with Whis constantly and unlocked Blue and would have turned the tables against Goten and Zamasu in their initially fight against Vegeta but he was on Beerus’ planet training when suddenly Beerus disappeared and Whis became inactive and so he traveled to the Kia’s planet to find no one again, he went to earth and found that West city was gone and Vegeta’s energy was also missing, when he finally finds who’s responsible he can’t believe his eyes. “Goten, I found you...” when suddenly before even fighting he is stabbed straight through by Goten himself. Gohan falls and lands on the rocks below. Goten goes to finish him when his head starts to ache and he hesitates, unsure why he did this he merely utters “Later” and leaves Gohan bleeding out. Goten would then go on to destroying Kami’s Look out, Kame House, Kori’s Tower all the while Gohan is still out of action until his able to send a signal out to Trunks to find him. Gohan has to heal normally with no Dende, no senzu beans so that leaves the rest of the Z fighters to try their hand at fighting Goten and most die leaving only Trunks, Yamcha, 18 and Gohan. Gohan is healed and this is where we pick up) Goten shows himself once Gohan goes Blue “ahh finally you show what you can really do, you think those measly saiyan forms would be enough to beat me, I want a good fight. Like the one Vegeta gave me, before I killed the monkey prince”. Gohan looks to Goten and says “This doesn’t have to be this way, come with me now and we can find a way to get rid of Zamasu, together... I’m your older brother. I don’t want to have to fight you” Goten laughs “You may be stronger but you’re still the same old Gohan, always avoiding the fight, you’re not like the rest of our race I’ll give you that but you’ll always be weak. You’ve been out a long time “big” brother, do you know what I’ve been doing since last time you saw me? No, how about I tell you with two words. Hercule City.” Gohan realises what this means, “No!” Goten laughs “Pan grew up to be much more of a fighter than you did. After she realised I wasn’t the uncle Goten she thought I was, she piccolo and buu really tried, but they were nothing but dirt under my-“ Gohan speeds across the battle field and punches Goten away and lays out a fury against him like we’ve never seen from Gohan. Energy blasts, punches, kickes, Gohan is going wild and backs up and charges a giant Kamehameha and launches it as it leaves his hands Gohan is seen crying. It’s over but his family is gone... then Gohan feels a struggle. Goten is holding back the Kamehameha with one hand and as Gohan goes to put more energy behind it faster than he can do that it’s launched directly at Gohan so fast he’s barely able to get out of the way and his arm is damaged. Immortal Zamasu appears behind Gohan and kicks him to the ground. Gohan quickly gets up and is able to block and dodge and assault by Goten and Zamasu for awhile but is slowly overwhelmed when suddenly Goten notices power levels not to far. Goten drops Gohan and tells Zamasu he can handle it and leaves to see what the other power levels are. He finds Bulma, 18, Trunks, Mia and Yamcha preparing the time machine. Yamcha, Trunks and 18 rush him to give Bulma more time. Goten kills Yamcha and 18 quickly and then it starts how the show does with Blacks initial entrance and how that goes. Trunks goes back in time to get Goku and Vegeta. They fight against Goten a few times though it seems the more Goten is reminded of things his mind starts to become free from the control of Zamasu. Goten tries to stop the feelings but cutting his ties, killing Gohan finally in front of Goku. We find out more about Rose that it’s not really a God form more of an imitation of it and all Goten is really doing is just fuelling his raw power completely and it’s more of an illusion of a transformation. Trunks is able to bring the real Goten back out but he’s so disgusted in what he’s done that he doesn’t want to fight. When Zamasu feels that he’s losing he forces Goten into the fusion with him and because of that the fusion is unstable instead of it being something that both parties want or need there’s a divide like we haven’t seen so even though he’s strong he’s not whole and where Trunks gets the finishing blow comes when Goten is able to take full control of this merger and asks Trunks to kill him. Trunks does and it all finishes there. That way no Zeno, the heroes actually get to win. It makes sense that Trunks doesn’t stay in the main timeline because like why would Trunks move to another timeline after his is destroyed when the best timeline for him to be in is the one where he knows everyone right? Like future trunks moves to another timeline with another him in it but he could have just stayed in the main timeline and he would have just been an older brother to himself like why did he have to go to another timeline?! Also with this, it shows Goku and Vegeta how powerful their sons can be, prompting them to give them more attention. Train them more. Gohan after hearing how strong the other him was, hearing that he and his family was killed, it’s better motivation for him to start training to protect.

5:17 I wonder what Trunkses and Gotens relationship was like before Goten decided to kill his best friend.

Thanks also for clearing something up in this video. A lot of other people have been doing videos about meerus and chapter 52 of dbs they say that the chamber goku and meerus enter is 3 days for every 1 outside so whoever or where ever meerus got his from is weaker than the one from earth.

This was just awesome!

This was an interesting Timeline. Would really like to see another part continued from the events of what happened here. Also would like to make a mental note that every time the Timelines split from a disaster or death caused by someone, it splits to a positive and negative 1-to-1 situation. Kind of like what happened with Goku Black, only a bit different than the usual Timeline Splits everybody is used to. There could also be possible three-way Timeline splits, given the right circumstances in the Story, nicely tying each version of the Source Timeline together to the ones where the Story has branched off in different directions. Or compile all of the pre-existing Timelines, then figure out how to connect events together to make sense of it all, alongside making a much bigger timeline. That would be kinda cool, but yes, a bit confusing, though there are plenty of Time Nerds that might be interested. ;)

To make the ark more detailed and interesting here's a few additions:- change goten black to Saiykira. Because goten black still resembles goten's previous life. Saikira= Saiyan Kira (Saiyan killer) or Saikai= Saiyan+Hakai (saiyan's destruction) Goku, vegeta and trunks travel back to trunks' future at least once and Goten doesn't reveal his name to them. But the interaction between goku and goten take place with the added 'guests' vegeta, Beerus, Whis. All of them discuss that if Goku somehow went rogue someone must defeat him before he can wreck havoc like goku black same for vegeta. So they tell Goten how to kill Goku and vegeta telling him he would be their only choice since Gohan doesn't train and Trunks has become just a spoiled brat. So when Goku black reveals he's goten every one and their nan would be bone-chilled since they just told goten how to kill the two strongest persons on earth, which would create the slightest possibility of Goten going rogue if not handled properly. P.S. I also thought that Beerus after learning that tries to just Hakai Goten, but Chichi and Bulma stops him with no reaction by Goku who was convinced by Vegeta that Goten has a real possibility of changing this timeline just like future trunks'. This plants a grudge inside Goten's mind that his own father didn't do anything to stop a GOD from killing him.

It could have been interesting to see future trunks interact with present Goten both before and after the reveal of who “Goku Black” was, and maybe even see present Trunks and present Goten succeed in their attempt to fight Black. It’d be pretty trippy for Future Trunks to see a fusion of his past self and Goten fighting “Goku Black”.

Yoo, saw the title and I already have a rollercoaster of emotion and excitement

Goten: I become evil because trunks cheated at the world tournament

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Man please we NEED a part 2 of this

Been waiting

Not using Goten was a missed opportunity in my opinion. Maybe he'll get some love soon.

This would actually give a message to fathers to be more in their sons life 🤔

Gotta say this was a great video keep up the good work

Dude when I saw this video I was thinking "hey I made that theorie when goku black was leaked" lol hope your doing great man!

DUDE HOW DID YOU READ MY MIND ABOUT THIS TOPIC!!!! :D

I would actually like this to be canon in some way. It puts a new course for goku as a father instead of as a martial artist. Also it would utilize the extra characters that’s only seen in the background.

Yasssss back to the Goku Black ark!! Love it

Love your videos

2:39 Gohan: hey goku black take a sensu bean It was at this moment goku knew he fudged up

For me Qaaman is my fave dbz What-If person but you're getting on up there with him for me!! =D

Great video. Dojo is firing on all cylinders lately

Finally been waiting 40 minutes

*No Views, 15 comments* What's the name of RU-vid's drug dealer? 🤔

I always thought that Goten seeing future Mai would make him that ladies man we see in GT. Remember he is a teenager in Super so it seems like it would fit.

Great video as always. The mortals from the 100k Mortal Plan support you.

Howdy sir! Love the videos! My suggestion is, “ What if Gotenks defeated Majin Buu” (The fat one being the first part of the video and Super Buu in the time chamber being the second).

Sometimes I forget that goten can talk

I need the anime/manga adaptation for this!

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Addicted to your videos

Damn, this is incredible, and amazingly written. Not only would it have been a way more interesting plot line than 'TWO ZAMASUS :O', but also because it would've also helped develop Goten and make a character irrelevant to the story a far more important role to play for once in Dragon Ball's history. It's a win win if you ask me.

I love these ideas on your channel💯 you earned a sub

Awesome video

So, uh I subbed to u. The Blackscape intruder arc was kinda fun so I looked at ur channel.

Greetings, I've only just found your channel yesterday and I'm liking what I see so far as a what if/db discussion channel. I noticed that you occasionally get what if ideas from the comment section so I I might be able to provide one for you just in case you care to read this insignificant comment of the sea of such things. My what if is(what if fusion was used from the king piccolo saga of db to now?) The reasoning could be that kami or someone of that caliber knew of the technique and taught it to goku as a last resort. Sounds intriguing to me but I'm not you so time will tell if you like the idea or not. Have a good day

*me looking at the thumbnail and title* Me: GOTEN BLACk!!!

I was confused for a while but I think this is genius now that I understand it

I love your intro smooth