What If Japan Conquered Korea In 1592? 

love your videos man, where did you get the inspiration for a japanese video?

new theory: what if ishida mitsunari wins the battle of sekigahara which means there wont be an edo period

The Ming and Manchus/Qing would be much more receptive to European technologies and innovations China, Korea and Japan would Industrialized Centuries earlier!!! Worldwide technological development increases as Asians and Europeans push each other to Innovate and Grow Stronger!

what if the Revolutions of 1848 succeeded

What if the Dutch Revolution the Greek Revolution and the American Revolution and the Revolution of the Spanish America and the France Revolution and the Revolutions of 1848 All failed

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He was shoot by the chest by a japanese arquabus sniper.

You are understating it, he carried not only the Joseon military but the entirety of Korea himself. If there ever was a Korean Jesus, Admiral Yi Sun-shin was the man.

Yet from that Korean flits were way bigger and they had massive fire arms japanese needs to go close to the ship and have a siege without Yi I think korean navy would do better than the japanes navy

@@user-wj9qj6yta15 The Joseon navy outside of Yi's command was absolutely destroyed, every time command was awarded to a lesser admiral the Japanese would annihilate the Korean navy. Now, I think there's a strong argument that even without the Korean navy, the Japanese still could not defeat the combined Ming and Joseon forces. If that is your argument, then I understand, but if you are trying to argue that there was a better admiral in Korea than Yi Sun Shin, than I must disagree. I don't even think Admiral Nelson could have pulled off what Yi did, and Nelson has a statue in Trafalgar square.

@@1perspective286 Yi is considered as a national hero in Korea

@@pops1cle187 Well-earned

Relying solely on Yi Sun Shin to defend a port cannot save South Korea, but it still depends on the performance of the Ming Dynasty army on land

There are some Korean theories that claim it was the horse riders from ancient Korea who conquered and unified Japan. Generally, it is said that there are two kinds of peoples in Japan, the local Jomon and the immigrant Yayoi. Jomon contributed mostly the prehistoric Japan, while the Yayoi made up most of feudal Japanese nobility. But most Japanese scorn these theories.

@@publiuska2204 Well, both Korean and Japanese has a lot of simmilarities with Turkic and Mongolic, so they probably are either related or from the same Sprachraum

@@adidoki that theory has been disproved. Korean & Japanese and Turkic & Mongolic are not of the same family. Further the early samurai were said to be Northern barbarians. Which makes the Ainu the most likely candidate but still unproved

@@adidoki No way.

No tgey are both languages that do not come from a greater language family. They have many common words but tge core remains distinct, and those commonalities come from many years of cultural exchange between tge chinese, koreans and japanese

Well, as long Yu Sun Shi lives Japan as absoluty no chance of winning lol

@@paonippobemduro actually there probably was, if japan managed to last long enough to consolidate enough bases in korea, they won't need the ships from japan, of course this breaks the chain of command a bit but if all goes well, then yi sun sin becomes reduced to a very shrewd pirate who managed to get some territories under him but is otherwise eventually manageable, one way or another.

@@Cecilia-ky3uw That's Impossible, trough. The japanese tried it, but they have no chance in a long-term run if their supply fleets and reinforcements keeps getting destroyed by the admiral. Alas, the koreans had their land army which only keeps growing because of the state of emergency, and consolidating control over a population which you have no claim to rule over is also hell. Before any such thing, they would've need to destroy the Korean government and absorve it's nobles to consolide rule. All in all, it's impossible to conquer Korea as long Yu sun shi lives or is free (when he got imprisioned, the japanese campaign advanced a lot).

@@paonippobemduro My point was simply that most of the problem was supplies which would be solved if they just set up the supply lines at the front, that is consolidating korean lands.

even without Yi Sunshi, Chineses force will defeat the Japaneses in Korea and put them back to their island, China would never tolerate a great power in its North-East border,

as long as a untied Chinese Empire existed, Japan had no chance to take thr entier Korea alone,

Qing Japanese War Treaty of Shimonoseki Russo Japanese War 1910 Korea annexed 1911 NOW China collapses/disunites.

Nah… before beating the crap out of the Ming the Manchu beat the crap out of the Koreans, forced them to change allegiance and never help the Ming and the Manchu weren’t really expansionistic. So the Japan-Korea would probably fight the Manchu, lose badly, find no reason to support the Ming after their failures, recognize the Qing as their sovereign and pay tribute as if nothing changed. Ming remnants were honestly small, quite scattered and never made any significant resistance because after the suicide of Chongzhen and all his direct descendants the “Northen Ming” was embroiled in court treachery and machinations to find the “true heir”, so all resistance against the Qing were labeled as “rebels”. Honestly nothing would change much until the Europeans in the 1800 as both the Qing and probably the Japan#Korea would also be pretty secluded and isolationist. Then in the 1900 instead of taking Korea they could maybe take Manchuria, maybe splitting it with the Russians, accelerating the demise of the Qing. But mostly things would have stayed the same.

@@gianniwu6564 What you fail to take into account here is the reason why the Manchu managed to beat the Koreans so soundly: Guns. The Manchu, early on, were effective because they figured out really good strategies and formations in gunpowder-based warfare. Now, take a guess what the Japanese had been doing towards the end of the Sengoku period? Figuring out really good strategies for gun warfare and even drilling their troops in ways comparable to the same kind of bureaucratic warfare the Europeans were figuring out around the same time. Also: Who the hell was talking about Ming LOYALISTS??? I was talking about the generals and troops that betrayed the Ming and bolstered the ranks of the Manchu. Basically, what I'm saying is that your assumption that the Manchu faring the same against Japan-Korea as against the Koreans and then everything just staying mostly the same is very much not a given. Now, is it a given that Japan just beats up everyone and takes over China? Absolutely not. It'd be pretty much a toss-up whether the Manchu manage to contain the Japanese, mostly contingent on the effectiveness of either party's leadership by that point (a few decades are enough to butterfly things like that)

@@yannickluecker3983 the Ming generals that sided with the Qing was because they were promised that their positions would be left unchanged and that they could keep all the gains of their battles. That’s why they were so courageous during battles. They weren’t fighting anymore for an empire but themselves. At most after they had looted enough they would stop intervening, but I don’t see them fighting against the Qing anytime soon. Even Wu Sangui and the other warlords revolted only after Kangxi wanted to take back their positions. So as long as the Manchu can offer them the most they would probably stand by. And then Korea was beaten because they were unprepared. The Manchus were still nomadic, even though the Korean Manchu border is short you can’t defend every single spot, in our timeline when the border seemed okay Korean kings would just reduce their garrisons there to save money. As soon as the Japan-korea reduced the garrisons the Manchu would come, if they increased the Manchu would feel in danger and attack first. The Ming had to stop them 3 times and even killed their king, but they just came back… for 10 years. Japan Korea wouldn’t be able to shoulder the costs and sooner or later would cut ties with the Ming and pay tributes to the Qing. In fact their surrender was quite lenient, just cut ties with the Ming and recognize us as the patron nation, practically for the Koreans nothing changed, continue paying your tributes and stop helping the other nation.

@@yannickluecker3983 and honestly I think it would be more probable that the Koreans, disillusioned after the failure of the Ming to protect them, side with the Manchu to kick out the Japanese.

To Ming, Japan was not a part of civilized world. Too them Manchus and Japan were equally barbaric

Well that was stupid. Did they just refuse to go. He should have sent the samurai en masse to the peninsula, gothic tribe style.

@@presidenttogekiss635 easier said than done. Samurai are the kind of people who would gut themselves if they shame themselves. imagine trying to get them to do something they really don't want to do.

@@groomschild1617 That´s true, it would be useful to pay into their shame "Are you too much of a coward to go to Korea and fight? Do you rather stay here in this cozy place? Coward".

@@presidenttogekiss635 yeah in theory that could work but this was in the era before printing press, mass media and social media. so it was a lot harder to anonymously shame a person. A person would have to go up to a samurai's face and call him a coward. Good luck with your chances of survival in that case

​@@groomschild1617 China, my brother, why do we fight each other? We are one people to liberate our brothers, Yajuh and Magog, and destroy the world with us

ming is not united. mongolia controlled most of the modern northern china including inner mongolia.

@@QWERTY-gp8fd Ming during the 1592s is pretty much unified. For most of Chinese history the map is similar to how it was during Ming. Only under Qing and modern china did the size grew to include northern asia and mongolia.

@@Jake-dh9qk china never controlled mongolia

@@QWERTY-gp8fd Qing did tho

@@Jake-dh9qk yes but qing is not china. we are talking about china.

Your third point would make for a really good book or movie

Would make a dope anime. Unfortunately there is am extreme lack of anime about actual Asian history. Its an untapped gold mine I think due to the fact that many Asian people may not have faith in the commercial success of thier own medieval history in the west. But the Netflix horror/historical drama "Kingdom" is proof that it can be done. Now we should just remove the zombies and add speculative history

The Yi Syogunate... a dreadful time where a beloved hero could become an effective authority meant to isolate Joseon from barbarians

So number 3 is basically the return of the Goryeo dynasty.

I'd imagine that a more unified Korea may even be able to conquer Japan from the inside, as to make Korean Shoguns

world peace

​@Xcrysis unfortunately your probably right, but if enough things were tweaked it would be possible.

However, in order for the second scenario to come true, the surrounding conditions and the diplomatic situation must be well matched. At worst, they may be besieged by the newly formed Japanese shogunate, the Jurchen khan or Chinese emperor (possibly the same person?), and uncooperative local Koreans, making their rule unstable.

korea tax = 90% japan tax = 12%

Japan cannot occupy North Korea, and the Ming Dynasty will not allow her vassal state to be taken away

Actually portuguese were the first to come to India not dutch or you are confused between india and indonesia

nah… Li Zicheng would have never succeeded because he never knew or thought about how to govern, he was just a rascal and a bandit. His motto was literally “ I am coming open the gates, I won’t set taxes and take your food”. His only source of income was looting whatever was left of the Ming’s “inheritance”. In fact he lost to the Manchus because according to texts his soldiers after sacking Beijing took off their armor to wear silk robes and left their spears for vases.

@@gianniwu6564 Still, it would've definitely been much better than Qing rule imo, would've been interesting to see a Shun dynasty that could potentially reform China than one that we already know failed. Maybe he holds off long enough for another good official/governor to rise up and beat his ass idk, but the Manchus should've stayed beyond the walls

@@yeeyee5057 honestly Qing rule wasn’t that bad, there is a reason why they were the guys that brought China to its biggest territorial and population size. They were just incompetent… but they were never evil. In fact they fixed taxes, like every family has to pay a certain amount independently from size, so people weren’t taxed heavily; every time there was a natural disaster the emperor would always give relief; the emperors were the most disciplined in history, when they had sex the eunuchs would count time and as soon as the time was up the woman would be dragged out of the room, they could only take three bites out of every food and from a young age they had to learn everything about government and previous emperors. Now there also problems, like by never increasing taxes government revenue never increased so they could never do any RED and smaller officials often had to set some “fees” in order to maintain expenses and themselves, fostering corruption. The emperor would give relief, but the relief had to be brought from other regions to the affected area, during which some of it would “get lost”, eaten by “rats and birds”, when it arrived government officials had to “check” it, then it would be given to city officials to “distribute”, until only some of the relief would actually be helpful. By learning past emperors they never had any will to change. So yeah, by modern standards they were bad, incompetent and stubborn, but by Ming and previous dynasties’s standard they were all competent enough or excellent.

The timeline until the Battle of Shanhaiguan was the same, so if the Qing army passed Shanhaiguan, it would be difficult for Li Zicheng to win. It is better to consider taking the Great Wall before the Qing army advances than winning against the Manchu cavalry in the field.

@@shinfeinrozava9468 fair enough, though also hoping that the generals manning the great wall also aren't such Ming loyalists they'd let Barbarian forces take China

Yes. The Japanese raided and pillaged the countryside and robbed the peasantry. The Korean peasantry literally referred to the Japanese as Bandits because of how much looting and rape they were doing.

That because Japanese soldiers act hostile and most story filled with Nationalist Narrative and Rethoric who Exargatted lot of things.

Interesting

This. This guy doesn't seem to know Korean culture and history as he should if he wants to talk about it. Smh

so true, I don't think any peasant would be happy if some foreign, almost "barbarian" people, strolled into their village to rape, kill, and steal from said peasant, then claim that the peasant is now under the rule of the "barbarians".

Japan's successful industrialization relied on overthrowing the rule of shogunate generals, while China only overthrew the rule of feudal emperors in 1911

In Chinese history, there were three dynasties that fought against Japan: the Tang Dynasty, the Ming Dynasty, and the Qing Dynasty. Only the Qing Dynasty lost to Japan, or rather, the feudal agricultural countries lost to the capitalist industrialized countries

Right, the military intervention of the Ming Dynasty was the reason for turning the tide of the war. Yi 's turtle boat cannot fight on land.

@anon_148 However, medieval Europe has always lagged behind the East Asian dynasties

The others possible.... Against Timur impossible

@caniblmolstr4503 i dont think so. Both Timur and Bayezid were military Geniuses and employed similar tactics, Bayezid made a mistake by thinking emotionally and chased timurtiring hus army and losing his water supply, if he stayed in Ankara or intercepted timur the Battle couldve gine both ways. Even in our timeline, the Battle of Ankara was a close Victory

@@shreksswamp5721 Almost all of Timur's battles had ana element of mind games involved. Tokhtamyshk Delhi Sultanate The pile of skulls That Bayezid losing his temper was part of Timur's strategy. Hence why I say winning against Timur is impossible. He will always find a way

@caniblmolstr4503 Yes, you are correct. Timur never lost a battle (except the time he became lame, but that was due to the idiocy of his ally). But then again, the Battle of Ankara was very close, bayezid was initially winning but was betrayed by the Karatatrs and Anatolian Beys. And to make this Timeline happen we dont even have to make timur and Bayezid fight each other, the reason Timur attacked the ottomans and raided sivas was to teach them a lesson, because Bayezid was housing the leaders of the Qara Qoyunlu. Timur was a great general, but a shitty politician and administrator, Bayezid could've come to an agreement with him. Originally, Timur didn't have any interest in the ottomans, his main goal was China.

@@shreksswamp5721 you're underestimating the guy. He very well had an ambition of becoming the next Great Khan. In this I compare him to Antigonus Monopthalmus another man of immense ambition and a physical impediment. He thought the world was his for the taking and it was

One of the big issues China faced was also technology and idea adoption. China refused to trade anything by except for silver and notoriously referred to European technologies such as guns, ships, compasses, maps, etc as “barbarian trinkets”. This is the opposite of how Japan viewed them. Oda Nobunaga was so largely successful because of his appreciation of European guns and proper military structure and later, the Meiji Restoration went all out on adopting European ideas and technologies. China had viewed itself as the centre of the world for thousands of years. I don’t really see a way around this glaring flaw. China was rapidly becoming a sick man but refused to believe it. Unfortunately I almost feel that by the time the conflicts with the Europeans happened, it was inevitable. That alternate history would probably have to start much earlier, probably around the Ming Treasure Voyages.

@@ScuffTuff i’ve seen a lot of evidence that says that it was a breakdown of regional and national bureaucracies from coordination that led to China, not being able to bring its full forces to bear during European incursions. Even if China lacked the technological supremacy of the Europeans, which is questionable, the Chinese outnumber the europeans, almost 100 to 1. And had it not been for the Taiping rebellion, which pretty much gutted the legitimacy of the central government, it is very likely that China would have been able to conduct enough internal reforms, to remain the hegemon of east Asia.

@@amk4956 It is not questionable that china was technologically inferior. It is simply fact. China repeatedly and massively outnumbered European forces in its battles against them and was humiliated time and time again.

@@joshwenn989 so from a technological standpoint, it is true that China had inferior guns and ships however, they had superior manufacturing capabilities and internal transportation infrastructure systems that is fully utilized, even with a technological disparity in weapons, should have been able to force the Europeans from China, however, due to a whole host of internal issues from a time of peace and the decentralization of the bureaucracy, it was practically speaking impossible for there to be a situation where the full force of China could be brought to bear against the Europeans prior to the entire Chinese system imploding during the Taipei rebellion.

@Prairie Fire as u can see by the Russian loss against the Germans in ww. I don't think that that would have happened.

As Korean what I can confirm with your comment is that 16th century was when Koreans solidified their national identity and China-Korea central ideology settled, so it would be impossible to annex the entire peninsula into their direct territory.

@@qdlbp 장담하기 어렵습니다. 소중화와 같은 사상은 사대부들 사이에선 인기있었으나 평민과 노비들에게는 별다른 의미를 가지지 못했고, 사대부들뿐 아니라 평민과 천민들까지 모두 조선이란 국가로 결집시켰던 이씨 왕조에 대한 충성심은 그 이씨 왕조가 한 번이라도 완전히 패퇴하여 왕실의 정통성이 끊긴다면 유지될 수 없는 것이었죠. 임진왜란 기간 조선인들 중 일본으로 건너간 경우나 반대로 왜군 중 조선에 정착한 경우가 모두 적잖은 비율로 존재했다는 건 시사하는 바가 큽니다. 당대 조선이 항왜 정치체로서 움직였던 건 구심점이 될 선조와 조정이 끝내 왜군에게 잡히지 않은 채 버텨냈기 때문이고, 만약 조정이 무너진 상황이라면 조선은 잠깐 도요토미의 지배하에 놓였다가, 도요토미의 몰락 이후로는 임란기 조선반도에 진출한 일본계 다이묘와 (구) 조선의 관리 등이 서로 이합집산해 경쟁하는 삼국지 비슷한 모양새를 연출했을 가능성이 크죠. 당연히 전란기를 거칠 테니 유교적 영향이 감소하고 상무 정신도 훨씬 강해졌을 테고, 전체적으로 동시대의 만주~몽골 지역과 유사한 역사적 경로를 따르게 되지 않았을까 싶습니다. 거기서 이제 이순신같은 명장들이 끝까지 살아남아 난세를 제압하고 새로운 국가를 만들면 명청교체기 중국의 혼란상을 틈타 동아시아의 강대국으로 나아갔을 테고, 그러지 못하면 지금 중국에 속한 만주처럼 분열된 채 지지부진하다가 정체성을 잃고 중원을 정리한 청나라에게 정복당해 중국의 일부가 되었을 테구요..

The Ming Dynasty will not allow Japan to occupy its vassal state

That's very likely

Calling Hideyoshi a incompetent fool is too much lol. No one really could've stood any chance against the Korean admiral.

​@@paonippobemdurothere was a pirate king that helped the mori clan become one of the biggest clan in their region, and also the biggest naval power Unfortunately he refused to serve hideyoshi

@@smolensky06969 Well, the japanese army really didn't have much of a supply of competent naval officers, but Hideyoshi built a lot of Atakebunes, the navy responsible for destroying the Mori fleet you mentioned, also, Hideyoshi used his own forces and funds in a war he expected to be quick and easy so he would expand his domain and put pressure in his main rival, Tokugawa Leyasu. Of course, he should've equipped his naval forces better and invested more in naval technology before his compaign, but he still did invest a lot to the point that the chances of sucess were really high, also, Hedeyoshi trough he would win cuz he expected that most battles could've been land ones, while he trough the enemy naval army would simply end obliterated with sheer numbers and classic japanese boarding tactics by using a sturdy fleet, he obviously didn't expect that a excepcional naval officer capable of obliterating his entire army with ingenious tactics would be in the enemy army.

@paonippobemduro Yi Sun shin could only defend one port, and to be precise, he did not hinder the Japanese army's advance speed on the Korean Peninsula. The front battlefield was entirely completed by the Chinese army

There are similarities, but unlike Finland, Korea already has a long history as a kingdom even though it was conquered in 1592.

intetesting comparison

If the people higher in the social caste adopt japanese culture, it would certainly spread to people below,thats how it is always been in feudal societies Korea at that time still use chinese for writing altho a certain king made the korean alphabet, they didnt use it and even scorned it For 3 centuries its impossible for more than half the peninsula to not be japanized, and once industrialization comes, it will be even faster

*die

Wallenstein would not be so succesfull and More Protestant Germany

No devil does not interfere with his servants

I am currently working on reworking those older video's, reuploading them with better audio/video quality so eventually it will come back up better. But here is the link to the unlisted old version so you can watch it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FWMy59FVcdI.html

I think this video's scenario is one in which Japan converting to Christianity is a possibility.

At this scenario ming-qing war never happened bcs both sides united against japan

Damn Emperor Where am I, son of the Divine

They were going to do that, but Koxinga's father surrendered first before the Shimazu clan could send their army. Ming remnants were desperate, an Emperor even made his heir the prince a Catholic Christian in hope that the west may form a crusade against the barbaric Qing. There's still a letter requesting pope for aid in the Vatican today.

@@publiuska2204 Interesting, I did not know any of that. But wouldn't the Manchus get in conflict with the Japanese earlier in this timeline? And could that skew the war if, unlike Koreans in OTL, Japanese Korea never agreed to pay tribute and forced the Manchus to open a two-front war?

​@@shamsishraq6831 Ming in its final days was pretty weak, and there were rebellions all over the place. The capital city was in fact sacked by a rebel army first instead of the Manchus. So my guess is that Ming would still fail. Manchu people at that time were very strong and robust, and they kept the momentum going for a pretty long while. They basically fought all that can be fought in mainland east Asia, just look at their map. Before Manchu, Ming and Mongols were always fighting each other to no avail. But when Manchu appeared, it destroyed both of them. So a Japanese Korea would in fact make this a three-front war, it's defintely a challenge for the Manchus. This might stop their momentum, or not… You never know…

Nah… you failed to mention Li Zicheng, the peasant revolt leader. He was the guy that killed the last “true” Ming emperor Chongzhen and let the Qing armies inside. While the Ming were fighting against the Qing he led an expedition force from Shanxi to Beijing, during which he never experienced any meaningful battle as all Ming defenders simply surrendered, the speed at which he marched scared the emperor so much that he didn’t have time to call other armies to defend the capital and he simply killed himself. Li Zicheng basically conquered all northern China and got high with success, he allowed his troops to rampage through the city and some of them entered the residences of high officials to loot and rpe. When generals on the frontiers heard that their families were… humiliated, they chose to abandon their post and fight Li Zicheng, Wu Sangui, the guy that controlled the Shanghai Pass just allowed the Qing to pass through and joined them. So all northern Ming was already lost because Li Zicheng conquered it, and he didn’t have the ability to govern it, since his army was made up of peasants and bandits he just gave posts to people highly unqualified or left the original staff… and their original problems… So no matter what Northern Ming would always be lost. As for the “southern Ming” they beat themselves down… literally… Ma Shiying and Shi Kefa, Zuo Liangyu and the emperor… everyone wanted to gain as much power as possible doing stuff only to stop the other whether their ideas were good or bad. In fact when the Qing entered at first the Southern Ming wanted to ally with the Manchus to pacify the rebels as they were the guys who killed the previous emperor and ended northern ming… so even if Japan-korea wasn’t beaten earlier and threw themselves in to help the Ming, the Ming would probably just ignore them… forget about a Ming-Japan cooperation, even if the Japanese were willing, the Ming would pull them back.

@@publiuska2204 "an Emperor even made his heir the prince a Catholic Christian in hope that the west may form a crusade against the barbaric Qing. There's still a letter requesting pope for aid in the Vatican today." Wait what?