METAs - tusk act 4 vs the world but with DIO thought it would be a cool video enjoy! Subscribe to the Channel ru-vid.com?... Follow my Twitter / furtherpower Music Links idk ask my editor lol / @jobbergodot
To clarify here yes I know Jonathan and Johnny should explode if touching each other but in this scenario will say that Jonathan‘s body is more deal than Johnny I clipped it out in post Oops😅
Why would they explode? The Jonathan from the old universe is not the same as the Jonathan from the new universe, they're not connected or related and they don't have the same soul Even if they have story parallels (and I do like thinking of them as more connected than they actually are) .... But I guess in this hypothetical, they would actually be variations of the same person, huh
Only people from parallel universes explode, Jonathan is from another timeline itself, so as you explained in a video, particle annihilation wont happen
DIO will likely underestimate Johnny and get turned into swiss cheese like what happened to Valentine, unless DIO is aware of the ability of Tusk 4 like Diego which he has a chance
Dio: “FINALLY! I have FOUND YOU johnathan joestar, or should I say Johnny? Either way I’m going to rid you of your existence-“ Johnny: “whatever homo.” G u n Dio: “oh… shi-“
DIO is very curious so while he would agree to do it he would at the very least want to know what Valentine's beef with Johnny just going by the fact that he's another version of Jonathan.
Problem is that d4c doesn’t necessarily time travel, I could find it likely he’d find a really similar Dio that had turned vampiric, defeated Jonathan survived, and gained the world
i mean d4c could of jumped to a world were all the events happend earlier in Dios timeline and by the time it is part 4 it is taking place in the same time period of the steel ball run. the cool thing about d4c is that it has access to an infinite number of universes.
@@legendaryguy8853 guess that’s true, but i’d assume it would he more difficult for d4c to reach a universe of those margins, however that’s just completely baseless. Who’s to question what ifs though. In the end the logic doesn’t have to align in this scenario for it to be a good vid
Jonathan was the only man DIO ever respected, Johnny being so far removed from what Jonathan was personality and physicality wise would probably just really piss DIO off, itd be like he asked for a Coke and Valentine game him an off brand pepsi
Yeah he would see Johnny as a mockery to Jonathan and an inferior version of him even if Johnny is extremely more powerful due to his stand and all the crazy stuff the spin can do. DIO shits constantly on the Joestar bloodline but he did say he would never tolerate anyone insulting Jonathan, the man he considered to be a part of him (metaphorically and later literally). Johnny and Young Joseph (who Erina and Speedwagon constantly said was Jonathan's spitting image) would be two people that would get on his nerves.
@@sonpanchan He might end up fearing Johnny, a lot like he feared Jotaro after mocking and taunting him for how far removed from Jonathan he was before getting his ass kicked repeatedly through cunning and ruthlessness.
I feel like what it boils down to is, does Diavolo use Epitaph as much as possible? Does he Forsee the erradication of his body from a clone? things like that would easily make Valentine Die to Diavolo, However he'd have to stop him from hopping Dimensions as much as possible. Though a huge what if is, in the realm of Erased time would it stop Valentine from simply hopping Dimensions?
If Valentine brought in a Diavolo from another dimension while being obliterated Diavolo could activate KC. During KC time skip Diavolo can't interact or touch anything so by extension he wouldn't be able to touch the alternate Diavolo and be able to escape. This would cause the fight to turn into a 2v1 and most likely in Diavolo's favor. Unless Valentine has D4C: Love Train then it's probably a stalemate.
True Ending: If Dio in this hypothetical is the counterpart to Diego, that also means the Jonathan of his universe should be the counter to Johnny, and if that's the case Johnny and Dio interacting kills each other. But to make it more cinematic, Dio's brutality along with his vampirism pushes Johnny into a corner. Slow Dancer is probably dead (Dio gave them the Senator Philip special) and Steven Steel isn't there yet. Since Dio would monologs about ridding the joestars of every universe, Johnny remembers the power D4C can do. Johnny uses ACT 3 to sneak up and attack Dio but he stops time. Though Johnny planned it, just needed to get close enough for their two bodies to touch. Since it's very much Jonathan's body, especially since it's been preserved to its original form (minus the vampirism) through Dio immortality, the two get destroyed in a blaze of glory.
dio from an alternate dimension is not the same as dio from a different timeline/universe. hilarious how people think like this as if Pucci's ability is similar to Valentine's
Would Johnathan's body still be the same as Johnny's body if it's attached to DIO? It could theoretically obliterate Johnny in an instant and leave DIO without a body once again.
I can imagine the Dialogue now as they encounter each other before The Bunker... DIO: **Walks up to a Stopped Johnny, Confused** What is this?? My, my...There's No Mistaking your Blood....tell me...Are you...a Joestar?? Johnny: **Stopped now** What? Diego?! I...I saw you die...I saw you Die on the Train! In New Jersey! There's no way it's you! (Inner thoughts: Valentine! [D4C] Must have brought him from An Alternate World! [DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP]'s Stand Power.....) I don't have time for this! Move aside or I will kill you! You hear me?! DIO: **Clapping** Hoho...by the Look in your Eyes you know Already I was brought here from another World...Yes! I am DIO! Brought here by a Man named Funny Valentine....I've come for Something called "Corpse Parts" in Reference to the Corpse of "The Savior" Jesus...and....**Glowing in his Stand Energy** That I must kill you....Damned Joestars, even in THIS WORLD YOU'RE NOTHING LIKE JONATHAN!!! Johnny: Jonathan? There's another Me? My Name....is Johnny Joestar! DIO: Yes...but from My World....And you are NOWHERE NEAR HIS CALIBUR! His Virtue, his Power!! HE IS THE ONLY JOESTAR MY EQUAL!! TIME TO DIE, JOHNNY JOESTAR!!! **Fight Begins**
I believe DIO would do some prep, because he's not stupid, if a guy with a stand that can cross dimensions said that there is a stand that strong, DIO would be a bit surprised
he's not stupid but he is arrogant, he only starts being cautious with jotaro when jotaro starts moving during time stop with ACT 4 you only need to be hit once and you're screwed unless you know exactly how it works
@@Yinlock470 actually dio isnt all that cocky, dio avoided hitting joseph when he had hamon armor on, i think he is arrogant but careful as well, he loses his guard when he is 99% sure whats enemy's stand and power
@@elementar2359 On the other hand, Jonathan had used Ripple on DIO prior to Part 3, and almost killed him, so DIO was aware of how deadly the effects would be. The Spin, being foreign to him, would mean both a lack of prep/prior information, and a much more arrogant DIO
@@alfasolmega4458 but dio was only arrogant when he totally believed he was going to win I don't understand where people got this idea that dio is just some cocky bastard that fight like a moron he one hit pretty much everyone he fought apart from jotaro and Jonathan and that wasn't became he was cocky its because he didn't know the extent at which jotaro could move in ts the second he realised it wasn't long he reked jotaro and honestly should've won if it weren't for plot armour
@@alfasolmega4458 the premise literally states that DIO would know what the spins does. If he saw valentine die right in front of bc of the spin then he would be cautious in the fight.
Overall I'd say dio is shown to be a little bit of a troll through the polnareff stair moment. He likes to mess around with his enemies but when the enemy has 1 shot capabilities and is used by an outright genius dio is probably getting stomped.
He is NOT getting stomped at all. DIO is also no slouch either and has ways to one shot Johnny also. Freezing Johnny, shooting him with his space ripper stingy eyes, throwing a knife at his neck, or even just doing a Kakyoin on him. When DIO realizes Johnny is just as if not on a bigger level than Jotaro, Johnny gets kind of screwed.
@@gregger_mcgregger Diego survived Johny with all the Intel he got from valentine and prep and even lost a leg On top of that Johny couldn't go all out since he was being watched by hot air balloons and was in middle of a race In a bloodlusted one on one battle , Dio gets annhilated
@@proudfatherofadeadweightso5715 can't dio just stop time and throw 60 knives at him and kill him instantly both can one shot each other and dio can do it from a distance aswell
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland eos Johny can actually walk and Johny even survived the knife throw Tusk can also move in frozen time a bit Also it doesn't guarantee that the 60 knives would even kill Johny since tusk can Ora ora a good chunk of them But one spin shoot will send Dio to the ninth circle of hell Johny can one shot Dio Ngl Dio also has a chance to one shot him but it entirely depends of what tusk will do to protect Johny in frozen time ( forgot what tusk's strength parameter was)
A big thing you've neglected for this fight Jonathan's body/DIO are 6ft+ Diego is 5'3 due to being a horse jockey So Johnny would suddenly be confronted with a Diego that is physically much larger
I'm in the middle of reading part 7 right now (specifically I just started the true man's world part 3) and I've love dit so much! When I'm done with part 7 I'll definitely come back to this video
youre playing with fire by even posting here because this video may or may not be related to a massive spoiler towards the end. Youre basically one bad notification away from having it ruined
I’m going to spoil it for you because I’m an asshole. Johnny hits the griddle on diego, causing him to hit the griddy on valentine, before having valentine hit the griddy on him, then Diego hits the griddy on Johnny.
If you’re talking about Base Universe DIO versus Alternate Universe Jonathan, what about the other way around with Diego (Scary Monsters) versus Jonathan? The only issue is Diego could infect Jonathan and turn him into a dinosaur, but excluding that I think the idea is possible. Character explanations and feats demonstrated how nimble/quick vampire Dio was and Jonathan could keep up, so keeping up with Scary Monsters Diego isn’t completely impossible.
Perhaps Hamon protects you from the infection? I like to think Hamon in part 8 was simply not discovered yet much like I believe the spin wasnt discovered yet in the OG verse.
Jonathan wins surprisingly because hamon is very versatile plus he could theoretically kill Diego with a touch and due to Diego's main way of fighting it just a matter of time
Jonathan could negate the infection with his hamon but ultimately he wouldn't really want to kill or hurt Diego and Diego would just be upset about the whole situation. In the end Jonathan would kind of win Diego over because he would be one of the few people who would genuinely treat him with respect and he defies all of Diego's thoughts about rich people. Especially considering Jonathan lost everything and he willingly burned his giant mansion to defeat Dio.
Alternate Diego Brando won because Valentine had explained him how to deal with Tusk Act 4, otherwise he and The Alternate The World would be smashed into mashed potatoes
A funny valentine vs the stardust crusaders scenario could be cool as it doesnt have anything to base the fight off but its also a stretch just having them meet
The only thing idk is how cocky Dio would be because the only person he actually was forced to take serious is Johnathan from his universe, I kinda feel like he would take him serious just because his this universe version. And him having a stand would put him more on guard than ever before. And depending on how serious he takes him would tell me cause he did slightly prepare for the stardust crusaders, he sent minions to gage their strengths and weaknesses and took them out according to danger feel he would repeat that and learn all he can about tusk act 4 cause yeah he is Hella cocky with a god complex but he is also close to a genius I'm pretty sure.
It honestly really depends how DIO plays. If he plays it safe and realizes Johnny isn’t just a random dude who somehow got a stand, he probably would win along with his vampirism. Though if he does the same big mistake he did with Jotaro, his chances get cut back quite a bit. Though then again, DIO could pull a Joseph or a Kakyoin on him. Also, DIO and Diego’s The Worlds ARE NOT the same. DIO has a way better timestop and also has been using The World for possibly years while having it be boosted by his vampirism and Joestar blood. So DIO would have a lot more opportunity with him having a longer timestop. Though then again at the end of the day both one shot each other so it really just depends who uses their ability first and how DIO’s gonna play his cards.
@@juice2307 exactly. DIO does play with his food, yes, but it’s only when he’s comfortable enough to or when he feels like he’s won. When it gets revealed that Jotaro can move in timestop, DIO actually gets pretty concerned and stops messing with him.
@@armandopereiralimonte8144 I said possible. And we don’t even know when the flashback took place. Even then he still had been using The World for way longer therefore had a much stronger World than Diego’s.
@@gregger_mcgregger Dude…Dio developped his stand in less than 50 days, while the crusaders were going to egypt, we know the flashback was within the 50 days 😐
I feel like Valentine would slowly realize that DIO is an absolute menace as he presents the plan, and then realize his mistake when it’s too late as Dio enters the SBR universe through the flag He’ll probably have some menacing line or smth as he goes in and then kill Valentine by dropping a car or smth on him during time stop right before passing through
You really think a car will stop valetine Valentine is immortal because if dio uses a road roller valetine can teleport to a new universe and heal because he is in between two objects that he can teleport
@@ThatCrippledGuy_ but then he got shot in the head and died instantly. Though I must say, If DIO ever did try to squash Valentine with a car or a Road Roller, Valentine would just go to another Universe the same way he squishes himself in between the flag and the ground to travel.
@@ThatCrippledGuy_ nah. At that point, Johnny stopped the Golden Spin on Valentine and what he was shooting at Valentine when they were having a STAND off are regular Nail bullets. Keep in Mind that he has Tusk Act 4 at the moment yet everytime Valentine got shot by those, he doesn't spin. This further probes that you can get Tusk Act 4 but you can only use the Golden Spin while riding on a horse in a perfect amount of Speed or something that Gyro taught Johnny.
@@justinjunkatigbak4576 I mean Valentine was mangled and he died like 3 times I would too give up if I've drowned in dirt 3 times by spinning too fast 🤷
If you really want to stretch it, you can say that D4c's stands stats being similar to Star Platinum it could be stretched but thats dumb. A good speed feat for johnny is being able to basically instantly react to things that happened in timestop. Like shooting the wires and protecing himself from knives. Another thing to mention is johnny most likely isn't conscious of timestop, Tusk himself is. Or at least at first, Like in the SDC OVA, it was Star Platinum just passively protecting Jotaro because he didnt realise, and then after he realised DIO was stopping time he was concious during it. This could be used as a baseline. If we make it so that DIO acts it out like he does in the anime, he loses instantly, the moment tusk makes contact with him he is D E A D. 10:24 Just to add to this point. Tusk act 4 is infinite, once he unlocks tusk, he has FULL ACCESS to it whenever, killing the horse would not stop Johnny from using act 4. What adds to this point is again, Diego didn't kill the horse, Valentine had full knowledge of the weaknesses of act 4, and would've told Diego to target his horse which he full could have done.
I truly believe that johnny has speeds like Ringo. Like- if we are saying that THE WORLD and the world from part 3 are the same (which I'm pretty sure they are because diego was able to react to the speeding nail bullet and stop time which is a thing star platinum can do) then that means that tusk is pretty damn fast . We see when the world is trying to attack johnny johnny was able to react to it before getting shot in the neck. Keep in mind THE WORLD and star platinum are the same. So johnny and tusk are pretty formidable when it comes to speed. As for strength, tusk act 4 is REALLY STRONG, being able to rip a dimensional wall apart, and his punch literally turned the soil into vapor.
Imagine the crusaders if they just escape from dio mansion and then right before he chased them. Funny valentine takes dio to this alternate universe and dio is just gone
@@Freedomerider If we are talking about when they started to enter the mansion, then yes. If we are talking about when they started to run away from DIO, then bye bye Iggy and Avdol.
I wouldnt downplay dio's scheming mind, we saw what he did in part 1 and how cautious he was about josephs hamon and jotaros death confirmation, and his on the spot plan on getting to joseph body when jotaro bopped him. hes a smart dude. he will under estimate johnny but he for sure isnt going to just muscle head his way through the fight.
"Alright, Mr. Valentine. I'll join your contingency plan under one condition." "And what is that?" "The final stretch of the race must take place at night."
I got a what if for you! What if Dio saved Santana from the Speedwagon foundation and used him against the Stardust Crusaders? Would they have a means of killing or taking him out. It's possible Dio learned of the existence of the pillar men and I've wondered back in the day if Santana would be relevant again, and what could happen with it. Also the Old Joseph interactions could be really interesting.
Santana would be creamed by star platinum and it would end with them just beating the shit out of Santana until either Abdul incinerates him or the actual sun comes into play.
@@shuckle5013 The speedwagon foundation is literally just keeping uv lights on him while he's in stone mode. all it would take is a blackout at night for Santana to potentially escape.
Hey METAs! First of all I'm a big fan of yours and I love your content. Secondly I have a request for a video if possible. I really wanna see who would win. Johnny (Tusk act 4) or Diavolo (King Crimson). Johnny can one shot anyone but Diavolo can look 10 seconds into the future and skip time while also has one shot potential so I think he stands a chance. If you don't want to make a video on it then at least tell me your thoughts on the fight and who would win.
It depends. If Dio realizes he's a stand user. He might just 1 shot him before Johnny activities act 4. But on the other za hando, Dio might just fuck up and try 1v1 Tusk act 4 in the same way he tried with star platinum.
Dio is extra enough to keep carrying a guy down a flight of stairs just to mess with him. I kinda doubt he would pass up an opportunity to villian strut.
@@travisbewley7084 he wanted poneraff to join him again due to sc being an absolute power house,I mean he just one shotten jonathan and kakoyin because he thought they were useless to him, polneraff and jotaro were definitely the strongest in the group.
@@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604 ye dio usually just kills opponents as quick as possible just like with joseph,dire,kakyoin he just didn't kill jotaro instantly because of plot and the fact jotaro could move and didn't kill polnereff because why not
I really do like the idea of the infinite spin bullets always hitting their mark and a dio who did no prep at all being turned into spaghetti funnier than anything you said aboce
The infinite rotation drags its target deeper and deeper into the ground so its possible Dio wouldn't die from his cells spinning but he would also be unable to continue fighting.
@@woomyboy98 the infinite rotation does more then drags you deeper in the ground. It spins your body on your cellular level. There a time jonhny shot girls and they were blown to pieces
@@woomyboy98 I'm pretty sure it just drags you back to the spot you were originally hit by the rotation in relation to the universe you're currently in, the only reason funny valentine was buried was because in his original universe he was shot in a location that was lower than where he swapped to in the other universes
It's probably down to DIO being way more egotistical than Diego. DIO spent 4 years telling himself he was invincible while Diego likely got his stand more recently and didn't make as many assumptions about it
Metas your like the only man besides Kaleb I.A that would probably do this idea. What if Golden Wind happened in the Alternate Universe while Jojolion happened in the original universe?
I would say DIO is slightly superior to Diego due to vampirism, and the fact DIO can virtually progress his time stop endlessly, while Diego probably cant go past its limit
Here’s what happens: Johnny and Jonathan’s body annihilate, leaving Dio as a severed head. The sun then rises before he can get a new body and he dies.
Please definitely do Diavolo(king crimson) vs Kira (killer queen). It would be a very fun match up in my opinion bc of their personalities and how they both like to be hidden and left alone and what not.
@@asta8153yeah… he just isn’t matching any of that, and KC hard counters his best attacks, KQ was never meant for head-on combat and SHA would follow a set path to fate Diavolo while KC Diavolo just moves right behind Kira and does a heart-wrenching trick as he turns off KC.
I feel like it wildly depends on the setting. If they somehow get into a highly populated area, DIO would probably win given how he's ruthless and can just throw people in the line of fire and observe what Tusk Act 4 can actually do especially if he's seen Tusk move in time stop. Also like Diego he can cut off his own limbs if he ever does get hit and easily get a replacment. Unless I missed something in the story this is probably my opinion on how things would go down. I do believe that if it's a pure 1v1 with no outside interaction Johnny would win the majority. Also I find it interesting that if DIO gets hit by infinite spin in the correct location where it isn't under direct sunlight, we could have another DIO under the sea situation and a repeat of part 3.
I like how the only main difference here is how DIO and Johnny's personalities clash and how they would react to the other's attacks I can also imagine when Tusk act 4 inevitably lands a hit on DIO during Timestop, he somehow escapes and tries to goad a lady to fetch his leg or something like in part 3, but he uses the same flight attendant comparison and the woman is like, "The hell's a flight attendant?"
I'd say it depends on DIO's cockiness. If he is cautious he could just stop time immediately, run at him in super speed and donut him. If he underestimates him though... oOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo
I think it'd be a interesting reaction to see Johnny find out Dio is a vampire, I could see him getting tired of Johnny running, freezing time, and killing the horse while sustaining some damage from Tusk 4 (Not instantly delete kind of damage, just generally getting fucked up) and when time resumes Johnny would (obviously) fall , skidding a good distance away... when the dust settles Dio simply laughs as he shoves his hand into the horse, and the horror on Johnny's face when he watches the horse dry up and wither, and Dio quickly healing from it, as he licks up the blood and goes "So, you think you have a chance against me now, boy?.. If I could do that to some lowly foal, imagine what I could do to YOU!" and the fight would continue w/ TA3 vs the world, but it'd be MUCH more chaotic probably.
I feel like the moment dio sees tusk move in stop time dio will remember Jonathan and Remember how Jonathan was the only person to beat him and dio also respected jojo so then I feel dio would remember what valentine said and would use time stop to doge the bullets and tusk and do one careful attack at a time till Johnny dies of his wounds (haha ironic) and then reverse eyes of heaven so dio will still lose in the end
Id argue that Johnny vs Diego is more of a parallel to Jonathan vs Dio fight than Jotaro vs Dio. Things like Johnny being set on fire are a callback to like how Jonathan sets himself on fire, to Johnny ultimately losing to Diego like Jonathan does point to it being a callback to part 1 in my eyes.
i imagine that Dio would at one point tear a hole through his chest to allow that nail to pass through him and Johnny would just then realise something is really different and go "damn this guy is weirddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd"
Wouldn’t Dio just immediately die the second he enters the SBR universe considering he would be brought into a wide open area in the middle of the day and he’s a freaking vampire?
It depends how much Johnny and Jonathan look like each other and how much they're considered the same person or a similar person. I know it's non-canon but in EOH Diego appears in the Phantom Blood era and Speedwagon comments how much he looks like Dio. Diego also sees Jonathan and says "So this is the Johnny Joestar of this world". Judging by that I feel that Dio would more easily realize Johnny was an alternate Jonathan mostly because he had much more intimate knowledge of Jonathan than Diego ever did of Johnny (they grew up together after all).
If Dio underestimates Johnny and starts playing around with his ability then proceeds to get beaten to a pulp I won’t be suprised cuz part 3 dio said he won’t do that then proceeds to play with his powers and test jotaro
I always thought that tusk acts were permanent, and just the ability of infinite spin was locked to the horse, not act 4 itself? be kinda weird if johnnys legs just broke again after losing act 4 when getting off his horse not gonna lie haha.
Basically: Dio shows up monolagues messes around using time stop, sees johnny move,freakout,get ora ora,tries to fight back or retreat with knives and get inf rotated then johnny hits the griddy on a dying dio. Johnny wins flawless victory
@@Jsipki265 even part 1 dio had a god complex until he got swept up by johnathen he had an even bigger god complex in part 3 cause he wanted to be an actual god like in eyes on heaven so yes the moment he sees johnny move in timestop he will monologue
