WHAT IF ROGAL DORN RETURNED NEXT? 

I think it's worth mentioning that Dorn would have an instant legion strength force at his disposal. The Black Templars would immediately rally to him.

Rogal had the desire to see the Throneworld for himself, because that's the best way to enjoy seeing the Throneworld: for himself

The main thing about Dorn is two things, a wicked temper and a mind that is ALL practical. He would have his blow up, then he would get down to business, he would want to know Everything, who, what, where, when, everything. If it had not happened yet, get with Guilliman. If the second empire comes up, the temper would kick in, then the practical. I don't think Dorn would remain to build defenses again, not this time, most likely "make" Robute be the defender to make up for the last time. He would cross the rift and find the Blood Angels and Dante and the practical would take over, practical vengeance.

The way I look at it, if Dorn returns and gets a model than Perturabo will too. Pert would hear Dorn is alive and leading a crusade and he'll want to put himself front and center of a Chaos force combating it

Chainswords at dawn. Best pun ever. 👌

i think the unremembered empire is gonna come up at the end of the siege of terra, guilliman being outed during the codex astartes debate as a barb to cause discontent but i don't think any of the loyal primarchs will give a toss after calming down, since they all fought together. The ecclesiarchy finding out sanguinius was a second emperor and the high lords also finding out in the modern era though could be the issue

Wasn't dawn made the warmaster after horus... so why was big blue so dominant

I would love to be there to see his reaction to the back briefings he going to get. He would be pissed

Well, if it was pre-6th edition, he would compliment the Black Templars. Now? He would be looking for a wood shed to take them behind. Heck, they are so bad now, I wonder how the now slightly less slimy Girlyman could deal with them... Maybe trying to get them some witches like they whine about Empy taking from them so they are no longer the only Marines following the Nikaea Decree.

My favorite 1.25 speed channel and my favorite primarch.

Honestly? The return of any of the other loyalist primarchs now might pose an existential threat to the Imperium. Any one of the loyalist chapters (and possibly their progeny) would immediately cease taking orders from Guilliman - with the obvious exception of the Iron Hands and Blood Angels. That division of forces could prompt a crisis of leadership or a cultural schism. One is plenty. Don’t go borrowing trouble, lol.

There would be instant fortifying fotress fortifying themselves

Dorn is already back he is in the Throne room of the imperial palace posing as a very adorable centurion. He spends his time building treehouses (he is the best treehouse architect in the galaxy, playing Fantasy RPGs with his Dad, Magnus a few of the fabulous custodes and a few high lords, occasionally he also plays Stellaris with the captain General, Vulkan and a few others. I thought this was common knowledge

It would be hilarious-in a perverse sort of way-if TTS was right and Dorn faked his own death so that he could atone for the greatest of all failures-failing to defend his father while on the Vengeful Spirit. And, that atonement would be guarding his father's broken body until he returned-one way or another. It would even fit the character and his sometimes autistic nature of being so focused on individual trees that he forgets there IS a forest.

Dorn:*returns* The Imperium:*+50% fortifications*

Fortifications: +50% Moustaches: +25% Hands: -50% Chainblades: Colossal

The Imperium would benefit greatly from Dorne's fortification/defensive prowess at this point in time in the story arc...perfect timing actually.

Something that is always gets forgotten is the Imperial Fists unmatched skill in void warfare. The defensive wall building trope is more heavily 40k based than 30k. Thinking of the 30k and scouring character of Dorn, I can see him being at the Vanguard of a crusade. Vengeful, calculated and relentless fury surrounded by thousands of Black Templars, basically becoming his favored son.

Dorn's ability to defend the imperium would probably allow his brother to be more offensive with less concern

He’d have to come back as an iron hand lol

Everyone thinks he's imprisoned by the Iron Warriors or crusading through the warp. I like to think that the chaos fleet that he attacked and the ship that he boarded was just a giant trap to capture and imprison him. But not by the Iron Warriors but rather the Alpha Legion. I want him to have been caught by Omegon and imprisoned in stasis, kept on ice till he is needed again. Also so 10K+ years later Omegon can get in the biggest reveal and I told you so ever.

Could Dorn be the warrior in Gold that Dante sees? In his grief at seeing his failure at Terra turn him to the path of donning a mask and hiding his face?

It would be cool if Rogal came back, but I don't see that happening any time soon. We'll see. I'm hoping for Corvus Corax sooner than later.

I know it's kind of a meme at this point, but after hearing that an unnamed centurion escorted the leader of the Sisters of Battle to the throne room to comune with the Emperor during Van Dier's meltdown, I think TTS actually got it right and Dorn is just on Terra defending the palace and ensuring it doesn't fall as a last line of defense.

I think the whole premise that Russ/Dorn might be annoyed about Imperium Secundus assumes that Sanguinius didn't mention it at all between getting back to Terra and the Vengeful Spirit and the Guilliman never mentioned afterwards. Like, I can't imagine Sanguinius didn't give a bit of a debrief when he made it back like 'huge warp storm, couldn't see Astronomican, no messages from Terra, so we feared you'd been overrun and tried to set up something stable with what we had before fighting back. Also, we had the Night Lords and Word Bearers all over us. When we found that wasn't the case, we tried to get through but only one legion could make it, so here we are. I hope the others make it through in a bit." Hell, even if they didn't say so back in 30k, that whole thing took like a minute to explain, so I think Guilliman could get it through to Russ or Dorn with only a small brawl or none at all. If anything, I can see Dorn being more pissed off at Guilliman's Unnumberd Sons and rewrites to the codex that was apparently grounds for war ten thousand years ago......

Dorn will be surprised when Guilliman tells him you were right and I was wrong I should have not broken up the legions

I love that you were being sarcastic about Guilliman having a plan for Horus exploding out of the eye of terror. I bet you real money he does have a plan for it. The dude doesn't know how NOT to plan for everything!

Random imperial Fist: our glorious progenitor has returned, praise the God Emperor !!! Rogal:..............What have you done, Sigismund.....

Dorn would be the second best return for the Imperium at this time next to the Lion. I am not a fan on the Dark Angels but the Lion is the perfect Warmaster next to the administrative genius of Guilliman.

I'm calling this now, the twist at the end of the 3rd Bequin novel will be that the King in Yellow isn't who we heard it was. Dorn has now built a wall in the Warp to defend against chaos.

Guilliman is the Governer, Dorn is defence minister and Lion is the Warmaster. What more do Imperium need?! Well if Russ returns, I don't know what role suits Leman 👀 Three of the Emperor's son is enough for the empire. If more of his sons return, it will be overkill for now lol

Surprised a certain chapter Master hasn't shown up yet

Dorn makes a big impact initially but fades to the background to focus on building up defenses for the imperium. Will be a key figure in making Vulkan taking a more active role in the imperium

I’d like to see a theory video on what the Primarchs would have done after The Great Crusade had the Heresy not happened. I’ve been reading the books and it’s mentioned several times. Magnus was supposed to sit on the Golden Throne and running the webway for example.

Kaldor Draigo wandering around the warp gives GW a lot of ways to bring back any of the missing Primarchs who may have ended up going into the warp - Freeing Dorn from an IW daemon world, contacting Corax, helping Russ on his quest, etc.

The problem with all returning primarchs is that Guilliman will have 100+ years advantage in advancing towards godhood. And not just from the point of view of the story, but for themselves in in-universe. They will be, for the fore-seable future, always second best - assuming that the worship of the Imperial population won't give them a boost... So, what role could they have? A loyal tool in the hand of their brother? Or a troublemaker?

**Roggy the Builder gets back** The whole IF: "Dad is gonna beat us..." (The Phallanx is in a bad shape)

“Hey Roboute “ - said any returning primarch. “I was selfish bastard running for my personal vendettas and overal didn’t give a s.. for empire for past 10k years , but I’m back and I will bitch on how bad you doing”. The way I see it no one have moral right to give Guilliman excuses. Yes I’m on blue boy team

I think Dorn would be a broken man. He was more willing to burn down his legion and himself than be saved in the iron cage. I think he would be angry and much less reasonable. Also he would probably connect more with the Black Templar than the fists

"I'm alpharius!" "I'm alpharius!" "I am rogal dorn, and this is my chainsword."

Dorn has been fantastic in Siege of Terra (so far); especially when he helped spring the trap at the Saturnine. Fulgrim was there, in full demon prince form, squashing the few remaining Imperial Fists on the port, slapping around Sigismund, and then Dorn steps out. Standing there, leaning on his sword hilt just like the FW model, Fulgrim attacked him with speed and supernatural ability. Dorn absolutely whooped Fulgrim's ass. Fully empowered Fulgrim got wrecked by Dorn; then remarked about being bored of the war and having other interests beyond the throne world, he smoke-bombed and slithered away. But there was no doubt - Dorn completely shut him out.

Even though I’m a huge Imperial Fists fan, I’m not sure he would mesh well with Guilliman, unless that split the duties between admin and military or maybe each takes a side ( of the galaxy ). How would the emperor react, on one hand he would have his Praetorian back and the other a son who created his own empire, a tough spot for Guilliman. A more dynamic story would be the Lion or Russ.

He would build a Wall and have Chaos pay for it!

Dorn looks at the Primaris, the reports on the geneseed changes "You approve m'Lord?" Dorn let's slip a smile "Cawl has fortified this position"

What if Dorn is actually the King in Yellow and work with Valdor ? I don't see Valdor alone on this project, Dorn is the Pretorian and he failed, what if is mission does not end with the emperor on the throne and what if he want to save the emperor ?

Brother Rho has given us another great video. I'll be painting to this one for sure. Still hoping Russ or The Lion are the ones to return first though.

I could be the minority , but i'd like Jaghatai Khan to return next .

Come people, we must work to fortify this comment section in time for my sons return

Dorn: What has befallen the great Imperium of man? Everyone: See what happens when you abandon your Dad and brother to go hide behind a wall.

He never left his Father's side.

Bold of you to think I ever left.

Just imagine. A crusade to Imperium Nihilus. Guilliman stays back to do his favorite thing, statebuilding, while Dorn picks up the wareffort. We don't hear from him for a couple of IRL years, so long in fact Guilliman becomes worried and goes there to check. And he finds the perfectly running secular atheistic Imperium the Emperor dreamed about. Guilliman's ship is approached by Phalanx with one simple message broadcaster: "This is how you do it, brother."

If Dorn returned...I'd feel sorry for anybody the Black Templars were crusading against. Imagine facing the BTs...but they now have infinite morale.

I think outwardly Gilly and dorne will be fine and have a united front, but there is a great political story there - as the highlords might seek to make Dorne the regent, saying that's what the Emperor wanted.

If Dorn comes back it should be in black with vengeance in his heart

I think Dorn would´ve a very deep talk with Papa Smurf, that RG should run the Imperium and is irreplacable in that Position, but Dorn could fill in as imperial warmaster well enough, Dorn is THE Soldierprimarch

I'm betting IF/WHEN Russ returns, the first thing he will do is travel to Prospero to find Magnus and ask for his forgiveness. He was manipulated and felt guilty about it. It would be the biggest jaw dropping moment in GW history.

I don't think Dorn and Guilliman would be on good terms, at all. Much of the problems they've faced over the ten thousand years can be placed squarely at the feet of the Codex rendering the Astartes combat ineffective in the macrocosm; just in the 40k setting we have three protracted wars for Armageddon, 17 years fighting for Vraks, the Nids, the T'au, Badab, The Crusade of Fire, the Crons, the Sabbat Worlds Crusade. Many of these would have been shorter and cost fewer lives if Legions could have committed astartes in force-multiplicative numbers rather than a company here and there from a few chapters that fought with disparate chains of command, TO&Es, and objectives. I also see him distrusting the Primaris since there is some ambiguity in how much loyalty among them might be tailored towards Roboute. He also would likely take issue with Guilliman's assumption of the role of Regent, Dorn firmly believed the Primarchs and the astartes legions were _not_ made to rule but to conquer and consolidate. The idea of Roboute, once again, seeming to retread his Imperium Secundus without the pretense of placing another in charge as the nominal Emperor would chafe someone like Rogal and I can't help but think he'd have some choice words about the pocket-domain of Ultramar being semi-cloistered as a breeding ground for a de-facto legion of Guilliman loyalists while all the other sons of Primarchs are forced to scrounge their numbers across far-flung worlds that, often, only manage to keep them just at replacement levels with many chapters understrength until receiving an influx of Primaris that are aliens to the chapter culture and customs of their new parent organizations.

*Dorn returns* "Brother, I am reinforcing Father's bones with steel and concrete..."

I think Dorn should come back and be a full on emperor worshiper and return not for the fists but for the black Templars

Because, again, no one likes Guilliman, I can see him blaming Rowboat for the utter mess the Imperium had become, and regret giving in on being bullied into accepting the breaking up of the Legions. Certainly Guilliman being regent would make him very suspicious of what his brother is playing at, especially if the secret of Imperium Secundus has been revealed at that point.

Guilliman -Brother, I thought you were dead. Dorn-......No......

Thank you Wolf Lord. I shall return the day the Perturabo returns to finish what we started 10000 years ago.

The Black Templar and Helbrecht would be forced to attent to an anger management-pain gloves therpay for the next few centuries

As a long time Crimson Fists player, I'd be a very happy Son of Dorn.

*Dorn Declares a crusade across the great rift Literally every black templar would be there 1 frame after such a sentence was said.

Dorn: I've made an impenetrable fortress, unbreachable and unbreakable for you, father! Emperor: lol, *Teleports to enemy HQ* Dorn: Damn, my failure is immeasurable and my life is ruined.

What if Dorn is the only one who can open the terminus decree but he has to learn how to read first?

Jagathai would probably commandeer the fridge too and turn it into a bike

It's rather simple, the next primarch to return is one who will make GW sell more minis.

I agree with everything you said, except for the fact that Dorn wouldn't come to Terra. He would absolutely go straight there, if not by his own will, the Emperor would surely tell him to, they would need to have a conversation after all this time and the Emperor would probably tell him how and what to do, like he told Roboute, there's no question in my mind about that.

What would I think if adorable came back? Yes.

Valrak would scream like a girl if that were to happen

If I were the writers I would have to do a whole series on how the dark eldar captured Dorn and have him imprisoned. Only for Perturabo to find out about it and wage a costly and brutal all out war to rescue him decimating the iron warriors. Perturabo may be looking to ease some of his guilt and he and Dorn could find some sort of forgiveness for each other on the way back to the imperium. What would Guilleman say when not one brother but two return to the emperors light having a new found understanding of each other?

I think RD will probably be one of the last, if not *the* last of the Loyalist Primarchs to return. Just because there would be a sort of a beautiful symmetry if that were the case. RD waited on Guilliman to come during the Siege of Terra, believing he would return. 10,000 years later Guilliman will wait for Dorn to return and save the Imperium.

There is another big question to be explored in these videos. Who amongst the Primarchs returning would think the Emperor a God. Guilliman was essencially resurected through His will, and yet he still has his reservations, but what about the others? To me, after some fists exchanged, because of the Unremebered Empire, and possibily the Last Wall Protocal and a Ultramarine vs Imperial Fists standoff, they would argue and Rogal would just let his inner Black Templar out and start non stop Crusading. Guilliam would be left in the Imperium Sanctus felling like crap.

I hope Dorn returns, I've often thought if he does, he would receive his father's talon. Or maybe a Ferus style arm and he takes 2 legions!

Dorn would be the single most stabilizing force with regards to a Primarch return that GW could employ. He is universally respected by the Custodes and has the unique capacity of having the most detailed understanding of the Palace of anyone outside of Valdor and Malcador. His mind is tactically on par with Guilliman and superiorly suited to warfare and defense which would put him squarely in the position of leading the next crusade, much like the Lion, however to Rogal's credit he is much more adept at fortifying and holding positions which would help a lot if he were to start reclaiming lost sections of Imperium Nihilus. I don't believe the Unremembered Empire would be much of a revelation to him as he was very close to Sanguinius at the end and he understood Roboute's mind, and probably had made similar contingencies himself if found in a position where he was cut off. The main thing to remember with Rogal from that perspective is that he as ordered back to Terra by the Emperor and subsequently assigned to build up the palace defenses. So while we know that Rogal is loyal to a fault and follows orders to the letter, he was also on the entirely opposite side of the coin from Gulliman with regards to the ruin storm and the situations that event created. Finally, I also think the setting of 40K supports an even closer relationship between the two than they had during the heresy and scouring. Guilliman is having to adjust to the ramifications of his own rules and subsequently adjust the use of them on the fly, and that being the case he is revisiting the discussions he's had with his brothers, probably most prominently those of him and Rogal, whom he wishes he could have back most. I could see Dorn not necessarily reforming the legion by name, but most definitely wielding the successor chapters as a legion. He would at minimum ensure that all of the chapters are in constant communication and logistically supportive of each other, and likely ensure that the basic battle doctrine of the legion was re-installed into their different regimens. All of that awesomeness being considered, I think it would just make the Imperium way too OP for Dorn to come back short of another end times scenario. GW can't afford to overload the Imperium or the story stagnates and dies, and right now all of the Chaos powers are in disunity so aside from the Tyrranids there isn't a threat so big that the Imperium has to truly unite and function on that level. The Lion returning makes sense because he is directly related to the story line of the amassing Fallen, and Dark Angels, and he has a dynamic and tenuous relationship with Guilliman so it makes for plenty of shifting stories in the future, but unless they are going to try and turn Guilliman into the new Horus by having him fall to Chaos somehow, Dorn would just be too much of an add

I know GW barely make any lore progress but I miss the days where we talk stories. Not just speculation after speculation.

Valrak would have a heart attack

So Dorn In the iron cage himself? Interesting theory.

My theory is Dorn is stuck in trazyn's collection

Man I wish Gamesworkshop would get off there butt and bring Rogal Dorn back!!!

Imperial Fists are one of GWs most overlooked chapters. Bringing Dorn back would certainly give them the boost that they need.

Fun fact: both Dorn and Russ got exactly equal time on their videos

I could see Dorn doing a couple of things. I think he'd go to Imperium Nihilus, I'd like to see him going with the Black Templars, right after he fortifies Vigilus to his exacting standards. But that is just my opinion.

Oh I would love for Dorn to come back next he would have so many cutting things to say to Girlyman.

Rogal returns… - 1 hand… “Excited Black templar crusading noises” “Jubilant Crimson Fist poundings” Ect; ect…

I would personally love Dorn returning to the Imperium along side a perfect clone of Perturabo with the two being at each other's throats, but needing the other to help escape Obliterator Perturabo. A few untouched Iron Warriors would also be fun to have them help the duo out of the warp and back to Terra. At that point, I have no idea of what would happen.

“This Imperium requires significant additional fortifications” also if he returns he NEED the TTS mustache

If Dorn comes back I would love to see him go on the offense at the head of a Legion strength of Black Templars.

*No*

having to turn you up to 1.25 is... weird its like your default is 0.75 playback speed lmao

IF Rhogal Dorn came back mabye the Imperial Fists would actually be Imperial Fists again 🤣, War of the Beast anyone lol

Guilliman to Dorn: It's time to enact the Codex and split up the legions. Dorn: What so you can prove to everyone that Imperium Secundus isn't Heresy Secundus? Guilliman's jaw drops. Dorn: Yes I know.

Dorn disappears during the Black Crusades, after the Eternal Crusade arrives back to Terra with a dead Sigismund. He already had a destain for the imperium he left behind, he would not be happy with Guiliman. While they may make up, it wouldn't have the trust element you try to sell. You need to read more on the sons of Dorn.

I Think Dorn will waer the black color of his other Half of his Sons... the Black Templars! Vor vengeanc

Dorn return. Dorn see Guilliman and Yvraune. - It was cringe, brother.

Rogal Dorn is my fav loyalist primarch, and Konrad Curze is my fav traitor. Who are your guy’s favorites?

Rogal Dorn...all is forgiven....forgive yourself, im all good hooked up to this big car battery.your dad. Now help Bobby get his shit straight and fix the yard :P