What if Rome Never Existed? (Part 1) - Historian Reacts (Alternate History Hub) 

I think the slow grind of Roman expansion was the reason it was relatively stable, alongside its political organisation

I think it's amazing that you look at differnet things in history, not just focusing on wars or large empires, but things as Jack the Ripper and hopefully D.B Cooper soon ;)

“What if Vlogging Through History Reactions Never Existed?” “It would a less educated world, tethering on the brink of another Dark Age. Without WiFi.” Seriously awesome and honest insights! I discovered your channel a few weeks ago, and have been going back and watching your older videos, and saw your subscribers grow from 50k to 200k+ in just a couple of months. Congrats! Look forward to all future uploads.

I love the Hardcore History shout. It's such an amazing show!

Glad I discovered your channel, learning more here than in my college classes 😂

Nice Ipswish Town shirt, love that club crest!

Found your videos since the WWI series. Absolutely loving your channel. Pretty much inspired me to dive back into history. Keep it up! 👌

Something that's worth mentioning since it came up a few times. Part of the reasons the Gauls really hated the idea of unifying and submitting to kings was because of the Arverni. They were a powerful Gaulish tribe that had begun carving out a kingdom of their own, conquering a quarter to a third of Gaul before a war with Rome over control of Marseille led to their decline. This is the same tribe that Vercingetorix came from, and according to the Caesar (so take it with a grain of salt) Vercingetorix's father was the old chief of the Arverni who was killed for trying to unite the Gauls. Gaul left to itself might have unified a lot earlier under the Arverni if Rome hadn't interfered at Marseille. They also seemed to have had a good line up for future kings with Vercingetorix and his father.

i think that opinion of carthaginians being incompetent is unjust, while they weren't as military skilled as romans both their naval superiority and without rome their dominance in western mediterranean would lead their expansion east where after death of alexander greeks were still disunited and cathage could have competed with diadochi over influence in the region using much more stable government and lack of opposition in the west to their advantage, after all carthaginians were expanding their influence before punic wars, so without them they wouldn't have reason to stop

13:48 the reason Rome was able to win against Carthage is that the Carthaginians were using a special method of ship building all the pieces of the ship were marked with an assembling number think of it as the Ikea of ship building. By a stroke of luck Rome capture one intact was able to copy it easy as all the plan was written on ship. That gave Rome a navy that could rival Carthage. Early Roman history is so deep and complex, documents are often bias so its really hard to get a real picture. We are learning a lot from archeology of tribes the cultural and commercial links were far more extensive and early than what history painted as a picture.

7:50 So, what you are saying is that Rome wasn't built in a day.

Nice shirt! Was at the game today!

Great channel, keep going this is superb

What if the roman empire fell early? Like in the 1st-2nd century or so, before they’ve become really established, before christianity becomes official, etc.

I've really been enjoying your reactions and how much you can contribute to these videos. Your style of reactions really should be the norm across RU-vid. For another reactions, I'd like to suggest the video "The Rise and Fall and Rise and Fall and Rise of Germany".

We’ve literally just finished covering Ancient Rome in History at University. This video could not be better timed

Please do the other episodes, I love all these reaction videos, keep up the fantastic work!

It's just badass that there was a guy with the name Vercingetorix

Holy shit, so glad you mentioned Dan Carlin's "Celtic Holocaust". Mad Respect.

Ahh, gotta love me some speculation! This is a really difficult one to even vaguely figure out, there are a few thoughts though: 1) Without a rival empire to compete against, Carthage could potentially expand north along the coasts of Iberia and Gaul, all the way up to Britannia and Hibernia. Since these guys are traders, not conquerors, chances are they make peaceful contact with the local Celtic people, and as such, there would be at least one Celtic state, that would appear. How successful or expansive it would be, or where it might appear - that's anyone's guess. 2) If we assume that events happen the same way in the east, in the 4th/5th centuries, I reckon the Germanic tribes actually have a tougher time moving into Gaul and the Apennine peninsula, since only the coasts would be populated by "civilized" people, hence the infrastructure would be way less developed. As a result, they might not have presented nearly as much of a threat to Carthage, the dominant empire of the time, or even a hypothetical Celtic state, as they did to the Romans, who were overstretched and in a decline at the time. 3) If Carthage does survive the Barbarian invasion period intact, and maintains it's grip on the Mediterranean, the next, and frankly - last big question mark in my mind would be about the Arabian expansion. The Arabs built their empire in a few decades, defeating the Byzantines and Sassanids through knowing the empires' tactics and because the empires were weakened. However, if Carthage didn't expand east across North Africa, and never came into contact with the Arabs, we could assume that the light cavalry tactics of the Carthaginians would be a match for the mobile Arab units (unlike the heavy infantry and cavalry armies of the Eastern empires), halting their progress westwards. Thus, it's plausible to think that Carthage could survive into what we know now as the late Middle Ages, and here's a really out there thought - they could be the first people from Western Europe, who reach the Americas. Of course, it's all just wild speculation, but that's just what I think. Can't wait for the next part, got some thoughts on the East as well!

Dan Carlin's podcast is too good to describe in mere words. I listened to the Celtic Holocaust episode twice, and it's a hefty episode

I am really enjoying your videos Cuz! Nicely done!

12:45 Rome - Like Disney, only less evil! 🤣🤣

I think that after his Woodrow Wilson video, this is the best content AHH has ever put out, because it is one of the most important and history shattering things that could have happened had Rome never existed from culture to language to religion to “Europe” as a concept being radically different in a world where Rome was but a dream. I don’t agree with all of his conclusions or arguments, but the difficulty of trying to guess what the world would look like by grasping at the fog of history when other possibilities are staring at us like cut glass is difficult enough so I don’t begrudge him too much for that.

love your videos dude, keep em coming! i'd love to see the next episodes

Thanks for the video appreciate it

I dont know if it's said in the video, but the entire language landscape would radically change. Most of middle and western europes languages are heavily influenced by latin. French, romanian, spanish, italian ofc, but also english, german to an extend and many many more. And about spanish, look how south and middle america would look like.... Like a lot would change. Only a few european languages of today would stay uneffected.

Man got his Ipswich town shirt on, amazing!

Dan Carlin is the man. Everything of his I have listened to is great (history atlest I haven't listened to his other stuff)

Nice Ipswich shirt 😄

Will be an interesting part 2

definitely my favourite RU-vidr of the moment👍🏼

I think a good comparison you could've used at 05:25 would be the Iroquois Confederacy.

There is three parts by the way

can you do a video on anglo-saxons? or maybe something to do with humans who used axes and knifes to fight, the sort of 300-700 period?

Ipswich???

hey, love the channel! I think it would be super cool if you react to 'Potential Wars of the 2020s and 30s' by whatifalthist, the type of videos this channel does would fit in really nicely with what your channel does and I think for this video in particular you would have lots of good insights.

you should react to Great Schism by kings and generals, i like to hear your thoughts about it. Love your videos and educational reactions, may your channel keep growing.

Love the Ipswich jersey

Do the other episode!

I really much enjoy all of your videos about history, but these with a secret or unsolved mystery, like "The Lost Colony of Roanoke" are my favorit. So I wanted to ask if you could, if possible, look up for more of this kind.

This is a good book, written from the perspective of those Romans attacked

Not surprising you're a Dan Carlin fan! Have you listened to Supernova in the East?

lets go brandon

I recognize how late I am to this, but my answer for pt1 to your question about eastern influence. (May post changes on final video) I don’t think eastern expansion is a likely thing going into a non-Roman Europe, for a few reasons. The biggest being that a lot of eastern Mediterranean powers contact with Europe came from rome. Persia never really envisioned itself moving further than Greece, it’s size was already about what it could sustain and it’s leaders knew this. They fought the Greeks and later the Roman’s because they were territorial neighbors, where flipping provinces for a few decades of tribute could work, but ultimately they couldn’t really push too far in either direction. The only way Greek states would push further west and specifically north would be if they remained unified under macedon while also being assured of not being invaded by Persia while on the March in south east Gaul. And then you have Ptolemaic Egypt post Alexander the Great which would have remained a dying power in the south with just enough pull to keep both Greece and Persia interested. They were all pretty well self contained, until the Greco-Roman conflicts and Pompey’s resistance to Caesar.

You should take a look at LateNightStories video about the Franklin expedition

Russel Crowe would never have starred in Gladiator and one of the best shows of all time Spartacus would never have existed.

If you wanna see another series on the Roman Empire you should check out the Overly Sarcastc Productions videos on it

May I ask where why you have the Ipswich Town shirt? They're my local team and I never expected to see them on any channel I watch nvm yours! Haha

Well since we are finally diving into ancient rome, i hope "ancient rome in 20 minutes" (and ancient greece in 18 minutes) by arzamas is coming up soon here.

Thank you sir!

Nature doesn’t care how rich or poor you are. When she decides to let go she doesn’t care who you are. Great video. Really enjoyed it. TY👍

there is a speach by Alexander the great about the opis mutiny i believe it is by epic history tv it's chill inducing i recommend checkin it out everyone

I literally finished that Dan Carlin Podcast before watching this, it really is a super interesting and in depth look at the Gallic Wars and goes over more than just the battles. Also love your content and the insight you provide on topics like this

react to the Emu War oversimplified

This one's a tough sell. Since the Roman Empire was so long ago and influenced all of Europe and lots of Asia and Africa (yes, even the parts they never conquered) this will go into pure speculation pretty fast.

This Chanel actually makes me want to wake up in the morning

As a Norwich fan I cannot believe you're wearing that.

Extra Credits,great northern war reaction when

If the Roman Empire had never existed, this Monday I wouldn't have my history exam, which I think is a huge plus.

This what-if is just impossible because without the Roman Empire our history doesn’t exist.

If Roman didnt exist. We would not have the famous quote "Alea Iacta Est" When I went to College first time I got to make a metal Dice and when I showed it to my old English teacher he said that quite and asked me what I know about it. He asked like "Alea Iacta est, What do you know about Dice?" and I had no clue what he was saying and he slowly explained the story of Julius Caesar went ship tripping through a canal or river, that only had one way to go and when Julius and his men were nervous, Julius said "Well, it's too late to turn around, The dice has cast" Or Alea Iacta Est.

I know its aong one but Cody does such a great analysis of the 1912 election and you should react to it

please please please cover extra credits punic war series!! its amazing

Have you ever considered on making a reaction to some of the videos on RU-vid on Viriathus and the Lusitanian wars ?

I’m working on an alternate history novel that takes this idea even further. POD: Troy wins the Trojan War. They were the mythological ancestors of the Roman Empire.

Could you react to "History bombs ww1,ww1 and Cold war, the not very long, about 10 minutes or less but it would be very fun if you would react to them.

Can you please react to "The Real History of Alexander Hamilton"?

In the absence of Rome, I can see western Europe developing a bit like North America before the Europeans arrived. A lot pf different tribes, generally getting along for the most part.

Cisalpine Gaul is Northern Italy, on the near side of the Alps for the Romans. France is Transalpine Gaul, on the other side of the Alps.

Haven’t started yet but I would imagine there would be a lot more Celts in the world

Also calling it football is wonderful thank you

I’ve been noticing some audio dips lately. Idk where it’s coming from. If it’s the video or my phone.

800-750-700 b.c. (all three dates are correct because cant exclude one of it) are the dates about where roman was foundet....

It has always been amazing to me the power small kingdoms like Carthage possessed. I know we can't use modern ways of thinking of power, but it is amazing to me the tiny Carthaginians we're that much of a threat to anyone else. Reminds me of a small Christian highschool having a basketball team that can compete with the larger public schools with a huge talent pool to tryout. But it does happen as we see. Great review, as always, Chris. Praying your family is well.

Yah I love The Dan Carlin's hardcore history Podcast Reference I've heard all of them All the way back to episode one where he Where he compares Alexander the Great and Hitler

This what if scenario played out more intelligently than I would normally assume.

As for Roman copying other cultures, if it weren’t for that, there is a huge amount of Greek sculpture that would be unknown to us. Much of the examples of Ancient Greek sculpture we know today are Roman copies (in marble) of Greek (bronze) originals.

17:20 I wondered this as well. In this timeline Pyrrhus is still born and likely claims the throne of Epirus. His dream was to recreate the glory of his ancestor, Alexander. With Rome no longer in play would he still try to invade Italy though? If he does who would actually be united enough to stop him? Carthage is a great sea power, but their land forces were kind of pathetic until Hannibal came along. Plus the Etruscans fought each other as much as the Greeks did.

That’s so weird I just watched a video like an hour before this and they were talking about the Sioux and the Lakota

You should consider reacting to Light in the Black by Sabaton. Seriously underrated song about the UN Peacekeeping forces

Rome was so influential that even in a video about what if it doesn't exist, it's mentioned repeatedly

More interesting, how does the New Testament's stories unfold without Rome behind the crucifixion of Christ?

Have you ever read escape from Rome?

I always love this series of his because ,even though sometimes it's overhyped, Rome is so important to the West that without the world as we know it will be so different. The east like China the middle East, Greece, and North Africa they were civilized so to them it wasn't that important. But to us westerners is probably the most important Empire to ever exist in.

I would highly recommend a channel called "Fall of Civilizations". They cover the fall of many great and well known empires and civilizations, mostly in two part videos. They are long, but also a very good watch. Also, cheers to your channel mate, you deserve this.

I believe this is his older one; he revisited this topic awhile back

The name of Hannibal might get the historical context it deserves as. Hannibal Barca: fearless leader, a head for tactics, masking his tracks, setting traps, and an intense leader of men. Instead of the now more famous Hannibal Lecter: Silencer of Lambs, setting tactless traps, slicing another's head into a mask, and of course a fearless and intense eater of men. A distant second place goes to the Doom of Crassus' "When in Parthia do as the Parthians do" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.. Would Assyrian bread in today's verbiage would be Asspitta bread? And would we today be eating Chicken Hannibal Saladin out of an asspitta pocket wraps? Summer Vaca in the months of Sigismundius and Charlamaugust? Sounds as terrible. Think Romancing today's Huns is hard? Imagine the alternative where our Roe's demand Hunishments.

Thank u so mutch for saying footbaal instead of soccer Greetings from germany

Please do Alexander the Great!!!

One could in theory make guesses of what might have been ,but ,BUT it is really hard to say what might have been had the Roman Empire not formed or existed,this is one topic i would run away from if i had to wright about it because it involves so many hunderds and hundreds of years and a lot of tribes,groups of people,migrating people and so on ,in reality this is one of the hardest topics one could try to figure out.

I too love Dan Carlin's podcasts.

Okie dokie. What’s with the Ipswich shirt? Ha ha

Strangely I find these what if scenarios more interesting than the actual history

Can you please react to alternate history Hub what if America had a King it's an interesting one

I just finished Celtic Holocaust the other day

I think the Germanic tribes would have still crushed the Gauls. If they didn't ever unite by the time the Franks are on their door step. I think the Franks would have taken Gaul far earlier.

9:51 hic manebimus optime

Rate the football tops but you said you were a rangers fan wheres that jersey?? ;)

Ipswich Town!?