What If Supergoals Existed In The AFL? 

Thanks mate, very much appreciated, James certainly deserves a massive shoutout for the efforts he went through! There was probably more I could've gone into but at some point I had to stop myself and try to actually make a succinct story out of it..

@@WoodenSpoonData it’s legendary brother. @James that is some serious editing acumen my brother!

That actually might be a better idea than mine, if I'm not mistaken Darryl Morey has also suggested reducing 3 pointers to 2.5 points, I dont mind 8 point supergoals but I'm not sure it disincentivizes taking consistent pings from distance enough

Thanks! All up it probably took just over a month with life commitments, if none of that was in the way I reckon James and I could've banged it out in under 2 weeks Edit: It's also hard to say because I've got a fair few scripts in the works and sometimes I'll have an idea that goes nowhere but sometimes I'll sit on that idea for a while until I can make a better story out of it. For this video I always knew I wanted to touch on the introduction of the 3 point line in basketball, it all came together pretty quick once I knew what I was going to be doing after the match data

My bad, watched it half heartedly while preparing coffee

Yeah I agree, I think it would become too dominant without a greater risk v reward factor and would just end up following the 3 point revolution in basketball. The only solution I’ve come to would be removing behinds from shots outside 50 so it just becomes a kick in for the opposition.. Don’t know if I love the idea but it’s a potential solution. And if Laura Cain reads this, please just bring it back for the preseason, play on from posters would be cool too.

The rules that were used during pre-season tournaments where Supergoals were implemented already account for many of the issues that you're raising here. For starters, marks inside 50 but kicked outside 50 are not Supergoals, they're regular goals. The mark has to occur from outside 50 and be kicked outside 50 for it to be 9 points. That has always been the standard where the AFL has experimented with the Supergoal. Secondly, I don't agree with your point about removing marks or "whistled events" as you've put it. You only have a select few options to meaningfully shoot for a 9-pointer. Either you mark outside the arc and take a set-shot as described above, or you take a long-range shot on the run or from a backwards pass where the kicking player still has be situated outside 50. While the NBA is not a perfect comparison, it is the closest comparable sport in terms of having most recently introduced a higher points scoring option in the three-point shot. No, you can't elect to take a free throw for 3, but you also can't elect to just take a free kick from outside 50 if you receive the free kick from 20 metres out in footy either... In the NBA we do frequently see players deliberately step outside the 3 point line to elect to take a shot for three instead of two whilst in open play. Ultimately they are different sports so of course it's not going to be a perfect like-for-like comparison, but there are certainly relevant similarities that we can look to for a broader discussion on the subject.

@@WoodenSpoonData Yes, I also watched the pre-season games where the supergoal rules were clearly established, but my gripe has been with the "stand" and "Buddy's arc" rules. Virtually no player runs in straight towards the goal anymore outside of set shots taken from inside the goal square, and with the leeway given to the "Buddy's Arc" rule, no one is clear as to how far you can go off the mark for a set shot before play on is called. So your scenario is a player marks a ball (or gets a free kick) 25m out, they walk their run up back to near on centre wing. On their windup, ust before they get to the 50m arc, they deviate off course enough for the umpire to call play-on and kick a goal with their non-kicking foot just outside the 50, is that a 6pt event or a 9pt event? If the AFL is so desperate for more ad breaks to juice revenue, just give teams a mandatory time out each per half, something I've predicted will be implemented before the end of the decade.

Is the 3-pointer in basketball a stupid idea?

Thanks mate, very much appreciated!

Sounds like you’d be more interested in the 2nd half

Yeah all reasonable points, love the idea but seems like it would be very hard to implement while keeping the game balanced

@@WoodenSpoonData Great analysis. I too would like to see super goals again but I agree with @yar1, 9pts is too much. 7pts seems fair if you allow that ~1/6th of all goals are scored from outside 50 , 6+(6*1/6 )=7. Tallying up the score eg: 3.6.11. 68 would puzzle newcomers even more :)

I'm all for making it as confusing as possible for the casual fans

@@WoodenSpoonData make it harder for the yanks to understand

How about: Double the value of current scoring : So: a Goal is worth 12 points a behind is worth 2 points, then a SuperGoal could be worth perhaps 15 points [effectively adding 1 1/2 behinds to a normal goal]... Balls hitting the GoalPosts could now be worth 3 points & Balls hitting the Behind posts could become 1 point events. Match Scoring would be denoted something like: *3* [15], 10 [12], _2_ [3], 8 [2], 2 [1] : 189

We were also excited to see the outcome given how many games were decided by close margins in 2023! Unfortunately the data didn't allow for such an analysis, but given that we didn't see any changes to the eventual premiers in 2021 and 2022, we can probably assume your premiers tattoo would be safe ;) Your suggested rule change was also trialed in the 2005 pre-season tournament, but didn't seem to gain much traction or support in the AFL world...

Yeah I don't think the Eagles would've been able to make up the difference in supergoals, but who really knows haha The only game I saw that would change in 2023 was the draw between carlton vs richmond in rd 1, where carlton would win from Docherty in the 4th

Yes, this rule was trialed during the 2005 pre-season tournament, but didn't get much traction after that!

Oh yeah it’d be frustrating and hilarious, nuffies would be pulling what’s left of their hair out haha

Haha can't please everyone

@user-qd6ml3mw3m my bad, basketball. Almost as interesting.

Alternatively, a super goal line being 60 or 65m out I wouldn't be agaisnt, would take a horrid lack in defence in order for most anyone to kick one.

I think adjusting the line might be necessary if you wanted to introduce it, I probably had another 3-4 minutes on why it should only be a 9 pointer from 60 but at some point you have to call it ya know

You must be fun at parties

@@RickyPro888 fuck yeah, we discuss low IQ themes of rules that don't exist.

Binary thinking.