@@yonatanevron2428 I guess now they have at least six souls now with it asgore or undyne doesn't matter can just farm...the souls like get more souls with their power of 6 souls
@@Ryoba__chan if we assume the godly being (creature with the power of 7 human SOULs) joins the monster in battle, then of course they win But assuming the asriel situation, in which the god uses up their power to break the barrier, the monsters are far too weak to kill a human quickly enough before being killed by another human defending them. Even Asgore could not kill an adult human in the original war. It'll come down to if they manage to catch a human alone, unarmed and off guard before reaching the nearest colony of humans, which would be more than enough to destroy the hundred or so monsters that are in the mountain
There is something you missed about humans that they can do, in one of books in snowdin library, the orange book states: "Because they are made of magic, monsters' bodies are attuned to their SOUL. If a monster doesn't want to fight, its defenses will weaken. And the crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us. Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill... Um, let's end the chapter here..." If the army of humans have a urge to kill them, it will be like a massacre and the six souls will rebel against Asgore like they did with Flowey. The only hope monster kind could win is by the amalgamates.
@@ficteywell, i think being killed merciless and imprisioned by Asgore (Expet from Clover) it would be a good motive. Well, afterall the SOUL are imprisoned for god knows how much time, so i think they would be very angry at Asgore.
@@theyellow432Or maybe they used that time to reflect on their actions? Then they all decide to cooperate with Asgore cause they don't want an entire race to be wiped out.
most likely but if the soldiers had high amounts of LV then it wont help the humans much, since it makes 2 new cards more useful and those 2 cards are sans and papyrus who both will be at omega flowey level due to how much LV there is meaning both would gain stupid amounts of boosts due to karma, so humans will have a tough battle no matter what.
@@SansINess53 isn't karma working for one person at a time? do you mean the killed would just hoard down the whole group? and then, if you mean that "humans" are over 19LV total, then they should able to destroy the world with a single slash and also revive chara as a demon. also why do you play papyrus here? papyrus only grew from atk 20 def 20 to atk 5 def 5, which looks more like papyrus going weaker from our high lv. what's even the point of arguments if you will disagree anyway? " make a come back that I'll debunk for ya." - i guess it means you will just not agree with whatever i say, so the essential point of an argument is lost, and we will never get a truth. well, go ahead and misinterpret what im saying, and respond only to one of the parts, and not even read it whole.
As much as many people say "Oh what about omega flowey?" I cant help but say...if omega flowey couldnt handle a literal child even after warping reality, whats stopping the military from carpet bombing him out of existance? And yes, even if you say "Oh but omega flowey can just keep saving and loading" Thats all well and good until the souls start rebelling just like they did in neutral, and considering these soul's will primarily be soldier's soul's they might try and rebel even faster than in the OG game to help their brothers in arms but hey, im just saying I still doubt monsters would win.
that was entirely on flowey, if he hadn't fucked around Soo much he could have just atomized frisk (as he's shown to do), he literally warped the entire timeline for gods sake, he could probably just remove humanity from history and win the war before it could even happen. Also, Frisk is by no means a normal child.
I am on team human for a few reasons 1.sheer numbers 2.humans still have some sort of magic or determination magic to imprison them But if the monster have the souls over for the humans.keep in mind that frisk never overpower asriel.we were able to come back yes but we could not do ANYTHING to asriel.only reason we survive is cause we talk him down.also there the dialogue suggest that if a humans gives even once then it over and that killing someone enough times can permanently remove them from the timeline
Not to mention it only takes one human death to create a huge power boost. Sans could kill a single human, take their soul, and teleport to Asgore, giving him seven human souls. Hell, he could continue this hit and run tactic to give even more monsters human souls. Imagine Asgore, Undyne, and Sans all having seven human souls.
Also if we go with the theory that Undertale takes place in 2015 since that's the game's release date, that means humanity is even stronger than theyd be in 2009
Ok but think about it. Human souls or DT most likely doesn’t work on the surface. It’s really just our normal lives. Unless humans continue using magic it’s very unlikely that the humans can drop souls after death. It’s probably something with the mountain that activates DT or souls.
can you make a vid about how absurdly powerful papyrus could probably be? there's an old theory that says: the most a monster moves while fighting, the more they want you dead. you could look at undyne or mettaton, both wanting to annihilate you and therefore moving more than the rest of monsters, but when you look at papyrus... out of everyone, he doesn't move an inch. and without moving an inch, he's capable of pulling up hundreds of thousands of bones on the ground with a giant one at the end to add, he literally levitates to go back to his home after you win his fight could be interesting
didnt a diffrent youtuber do that a while ago? i could have sworn ive watched it before thhink it was called "blink motherf*cker: an essay on papyruses battle" or something like that cant rember its been quite a while since i watched it
Papyrus will always give 3 dmg to the player no matter what armor they wear. If we take this to the extreme and say that this rule still applies if the player wears The Locket. That means that Papyrus would be capable of dealing 102 dmg to surpass the defense of The Locket so he can deal 3 dmg to the player. That is an absurd amount of damage. Especially if you include the theory that Papyrus wasn’t even trying since he stands still during his fight. Meaning that Papyrus is capable of dealing 102 dmg without trying
literally tho, papyrus and sans against high LV soldiers would definitely mean the humans will die more easily, papyrus' stats are 20 in the neutral route.
The part about Papyrus not moving makes sense........ Until it dosen't. Like people like So Sorry or vulkin don't even know they're fighting you, let alone try to and yet they have full on animations. Plus no matter how much more people like dogaressa or Royal guards try to fight you, their animations don't get faster at all. (Also Papyrus gets tired from Battling you and unlike with undyne or mettaton, Papyrus Getting tired comes fully from the battle itself and not any outside factors)
I think there are some reasons why the monsters would win a round two and not. Not every human soul is primarily determined. Every soul HAS determination, yeah, but some souls have an overriding trait like justice and bravery, which are likely to be more common amongst soldiers than other soul traits. This does mean the various bosses could wear down various humans and kill them... After all, only THE most determined gets to control the ability to reset, this means MOST of the humans CAN'T reset, this means there would be plenty of souls, if we assume that Asgore can wear down one enough to catch their soul, he could give it to Undyne or Toriel to help out. I say Asgore because he clearly has experience with wearing down a human soul.... Also, with the whole six soul rebellion thing. There is a chance they won't have enough determination to do so. You have to remember that they were uniting against a thing that wanted to destroy the world, EVERYTHING. They struggled to rebel against Asriel with a bunch of monster souls, which STILL wasn't his own, so it's possible that Asriel never had total control of his form at ALL. So it's quite possible that Asgore or Toriels boss monster soul or Undynes soul can actually hold down human souls. Anyway... Toriel, like Asgore, is probably a lot stronger than she lets on. We gotta remember that Toriel is a nice person and, unlike Asgore, doesn't like doing what has to be done. However... With Adult Humans? It's quite possible Toriel would actually fight. Also, Asgore.... Yeah, he's going to actually be willing to kill adults more than children. Sure, he is tortured by what he has done by the six souls... But adults... Are the ones who started the war and don't really have that childhood innocence and they're stronger, so Asgore can't risk being nice. Anyway, as possibly shown by the fact that they're found everywhere, possibly showing that Asgore originally and eagerly hunted down the humans, but as time went on, he became more and more reluctant and tired of fighting and murdering humans (We never know how old the six souls were I believe, unless I'm wrong.) until he was genuinely happy when/if Frisk kills him. This would likely change if the monsterrace NEEDED that last HURAH! "At this point, it's either them or us" - Undyne convincing Asgore probably... Anywwy, I could see Asgore being genuinely a real tough challenge for the average soldier... If we assume Flowey allies with the Monsters, which he may do because that's a whole lot of free real estate..., he could act as a scout to locate the most determined human, tell about changes and resets, and simply... Lead them into Sans room or something and turn off the treadmill. Basically, just trap them in a place they can't get out. Well, not him leading them, but y'know locating them and then probably getting a Froggit to do his dirty work or something. The Underground's infrastructure works in favour of itself here! It's quite small. Although it's definitely larger than in game... Entire regions go unexplored, basically... But it's still quite small and enclosed, building wise. I doubt they'd be anything above 1,000 human soldiers, logistics, and also the fact you don't want your soldier's starving. You also don't want to cram 50 soldiers in a tiny corridor... This does mean the Monsters probably do have a numbers advantage since I can imagine there is like... 2,000 monsters tops? But this doesn't change ANYTHING combat wise. But yeah, the traps and terrain would be in the monsters favour. But yeah, I agree the vast majority of monsters are going to be useless. Combat wise, pretty much: Asgore. Toriel. Undyne. Mettaton. Amalgamates. Are the only useful ones. The rest are just canon fodder or ease-medium difficulty enemies. I do think the monsters win, not without major casualties because Asgore, Toriel, and Undyne with ANY human soul is WAAAAAY better than the sadistic evil grinning Flowey with one. Because they're going to be heavily competent and aim for the quick, efficient kill. Again, this depends on if you deem that a boss monster soul that actually belongs to that boss monster is stronger than the amalgamated soul that Flowey/Asriel got. Not stronger necessarily but more.... Unitary??? Since the Boss Monster Soul is going to be singular and actually belong to that monster. Not full of a bunch of lost souls. Undynes' soul could also be ropped in with this due to her fraction of determination that could be used to hold a human soul down. But whatever. Doesn't matter! Just fun to speculate!
Also!!! It's possible that the Barrier is what allows resets and stuff... So removing it COULD lead to unforeseen consequences in the form of the ability to reset being removed or it could lead to the ability being spread everywhere and it being given to some random guy in his mother's basement. Also it's possible this all results in a Flowey victory... Since he could just be devious and kill a couple monsters, take their souls to power himself a LITTLE... Then leave the Underground and go kill a couple humans and take their souls. Using those few monster souls to assert control of what human souls he gets. And then he becomes a God. Resets the timeline into what he wants. So eyo!++
@@zombiedalekweck2243 Hmm... Want to say maybe Frisk got a chance to reset timelines because he is kind of a soul combined with chara's? They both have a determined soul, right? So maybe that means Frisk got lucky that they fell on chara's grave and got a double-determination soul (meaning they have a double-determination amount), and that's the reason why, in the past, flowey could reset, but after the fall of Frisk, he couldn't. Not every human who has a determined soul can reset; only the ones who have double or more than usual determination (like flowey) can. If we remove Frisk from the war, that means flowey going to be the most determined, meaning he can use resets and create plans. it's just theory so maybe I am wrong
@@Ryoba__chan It's certainly possible! I think there's so many options and different routes it could go that pretty much every outcome you can think of has some sort of merit.
Nuclear b- Even if only one human could reset...Wouldn't they just reset whenever a human died? Plus, humans have much much longer range weapons than monsters, humans would never need to be in any danger, since monsters could never get close enough to the humans. It's essentially based on if humans get to cocky, which wouldn't be unexpected. I don't think Asgore with 6 souls would be able to warp reality, at least not to the point of not dying to a nuke, although a 7 souled monster would become a god and bend time and space. So, if the monsters can kill ONE human (which would mean a human would get too confident and reckless and get near when they don't need to), it's GG. If the monsters aren't able to kill a human in the first 2 minutes of the battle, they lost.
@@tpfoxCastro if that were the case, then what stopped flowey from resetting if he didn’t like you in the main game? exactly. only the most determined being can reset. in this hypothetical, frisk is the most determined and would most likely side with the monsters. this also adds to the fact monsters have another weapon: frisk.
Undertale definitely takes place this far beyond what you said. Chara fell down in 201x . And Tori a boss monster, whose lived for thousands of years, said that it’s been a long time between Justice and Frisk . so you can argue it’s been 200 years since Chara plus that seems like enough time for a regular small village to turn into metropolis
Asgore wouldn't really use the souls, it's not in character for him. Plus, in the intro, it shows you when Chara fell and it said "201x." And it's been years since Chara fell.
I'd like to point out that it's never said that humans still used bows and arrows when Chara fell, so odds are, they did fall around 2010. Although this could be sarcasm, another detail is that when you find the toy knife, its description says, "Made of plastic. A rarity nowadays." Also, the monsters are screwed regardless. They only need to kill one human to win, but considering the damage Frisk did, that simply isn't happening. Edit: Changed "seven humans" to "one human," I forgot about the six human souls. For whatever reason, with seven of them, the souls just... can't rebel?
Huh. I don’t know why I thought the humans used bows and arrows. That was my bad. I think the whole ‘made of plastic’ is supposed to be a joke too, since so much stuff in the world is made of plastic.
@@Kustopia Yeah, that was probably a joke. I have seen someone take it as evidence for Undertale being far in the future, though. And a lot of the community believes it to be in the 2100s.
Where does it say that they used arrows and swords? Like, seriously, where? On the intro? As far as we know that could be millennia before the events of Undertale happened. Also, the plastic toy knife that says how rare is plastic nowadays could be refering as, like Undertale happens in the future, all of the world natural's oil reserves have run out, therefore making plastic a scarce resource.
I talked about God Verse in my first Sans AU video I’m pretty sure. And in it I say I have no idea how Godverse works. The creator of Godverse actually commented an explanation about how it works so go check it out.
the point about the 6 human souls is kinda dumb,6 human souls how about 567,000,000? another point: the human souls would probably resist in some way just like they did with flowey.
Would they? The original six, I mean. The monsters would be fighting a _Defensive_ war in this case. Any souls taken through the war probably would rebel- might explain why they didn't take any in the first one...
The only reason frisk was able to refuse death is because they were the most determined near the end. A human soldier who has zero relations to the monsters in any way would get stomped. I do think there’s some actual arguments to be made for most of the main monsters tho. Especially Undyne and sans. Undyne’s armour is made out of literal metal. That will deflect bullets (not permanently, but you know, enough for Undyne to wipe out a good few squads) and sans with all of his cheats… while sans would get tired if he was stupid and sat out in the open and dodged a stream of gunfire. He wouldn’t get tired if he strategically used his moves to either lure one human away from the rest or straight up freeze time (like he has shown to do many times in game) and set up an unexpected attack for them to dodge. Sans negates armour and he could honestly probably one shot. Kr affects regardless of Lv and there’s no I-frames. Plus mettaton in box form is the same argument for Undyne. And remember. All they have to do is kill a SINGLE human and grab their soul and give it to asgore. Which I could see sans or Undyne easily doing. Weither sans teleports the human to the hall and duo’s with asgore. Or Undyne beats the hell out of a human and brings them to asgore. I highly doubt humans would use nuclear bombs because by the point they’d use them. I would beg to argue if they’d even work. Asgore can keep absorbing souls or even let other monsters take them. The only reason frisk won against omega flowey is because they saved the souls. Not every human will be able to do that. So I’d say it could genuinely be up in the air for who the winner would be. Plus using a nuke near a city will NEVER be a optimal strategy for any army radiation will linger for centuries.
@@ethan7376 karma is litteraly karma, being affected by LOVE . although since most soldiers didnt kill even a single monster thay would have 20 soul ho which means they would get vaporised
@@Trihexagonal Kr has canonically been confirmed to be a poison. KR has never been proven to mean karma. But it has been confirmed to be a poison by Toby himself.
@@tpfoxCastro the same child that beat a god through sheer determination. Yeah I think I do. Frisk isn’t just a “child” you’ve gotta be on crack to think that. What fucking child can dodge an attack that literally ate a timeline 😭
Asgore, bro survived the first war likely being the main target and the intro implies he was on the front line, and toriel is the same strength as asgore so she likely can do just as much as asgore.
2:08 Assume an M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle (USMC standard infantry rifle) and a SIG Sauer M17. 3:18 Determination is not incredibly useful unless you have lots of it. 3:31 A point worth noting - Frisk is a special case. No child would be able to die over and over again just to come back and keep fighting. At least, no normal child. 5:05 Items that are emotionally charged will be more effective (against monsters). A cowboy hat or empty gun realistically shouldn't give you THAT much more defense and offense than a plastic knife and ribbon, but it does. This means a serial killer with his favorite teddy bear could deal more damage to a monster than a toddler with a handgun. 5:55 Probably the biggest threat to humans other than Asgore and Flowey. Humans would get stomped at first by Sans and Flowey, but eventually would exhaust him. Another thing I would like to mention is that infantrymen are basically glued to their rifles. It is their lifeline and the entire unit will go looking for it if it is lost, so it's reasonable to assume the soldiers would shred monsters. They're also trained to kill, so I imagine their level would be at least Level 2 or 3 a little after basic. Imagine starting Undertale with the Real Knife and Locket with 5 other Frisks with the same loadout, but it's hardcore mode. Just bum rush. If Flowey or Asgore does actually get his hands on the six souls (or six new human souls from dead soldiers), it's over. Otherwise, mankind stomps. BUT YOU PUT ONE US NAVY SEAL IN THE UNDERGROUND AND IT'S OVER FOR MONSTERKIND. LEVEL 20 FRISK IN THE RUINS WITH A MACHINE GUN AND GRENADES. BRITISH ROYAL MARINE WORKS AS AN EQUALLY DEVASTATING SUBSTITUTE.
What you said about Frisk is just wrong. Like, in the real world no child would be able to do that, but in the Undertale world, humans (or at least the most determined one) can reset. Frisk coming back from the dead isn't THAT impressive when you realise that, technically speaking, any human could do it. Of course, in a scenario in which we aren't controlling Frisk they would give up, but soldiers would be much more determined
@@tpfoxCastro a LOVE 20 soldier could no feasibly exist, with the unknown factor of human EXP drops and the fact that to attain LOVE 20 on UT, you had to kill 300 entities (with some having exceptional EXP drops), there's no way that one could exist, without being some psychotic anomaly that is more likely to be spending it's life in a jail cell. Considering that Flowey can reduce Frisk to 0 health (with the only thing saving them being the anti one shot mechanic) with a single individual pellet, it's very likely that Flowey can just hit any random soldier (or a person in general, considering that the war wouldn't start instantly when the barrier shatters) with a couple dozen pellets, and entirely shred them down to a mass of meat on the floor.
determination is a rare soul so I don't really think the humans would all have determinations and be cheap copies of charas with guns, determination is a special soul in undertale so the best that the humans will have is have a guy with determination which is unlikely because frisk's and chara's personalities don't line up with the humans here, so most likely humans would lose.
@@remixgameyt1172 yeah the intro of undertale there was a person who held a sword which could be a guy with determination, aka kris who has infused wills of chara and frisk
@@SansINess53 where are you getting the "rarest" part from? Why is it the rarest? Seems like you just have a headcanon which isn't based on anything in the game.
Yeah humans win all the way every monster in the underground is equal to one human. And they have guns now. I could see undyne killing some humans possibly but only if she goes undying form which means they need to try kill a child. I don’t know if they would have determination though it’s possible. But determination could be a rare thing it’s never mentioned if it rare but if it is rare then I don’t think humans can use it and I doubt they would die anyway so yeah humans win easy the monsters might not even kill one. I mean if they do they get more powerful so if the monsters do that would be good but I still think humans win. asgore with the souls is powerful but asgore won’t ever absorb them for some reason?? Maybe Alphys didn’t tell him during geno route? But yeah I don’t think asgore survives nukes and I think it should take place after the barrier is destroyed because that would be the most realistic since to our knowledge humans don’t know monsters exist so they wouldn’t break the barrier so the most realistic be would be after frisk/asriel break the barrier so no human souls for the monsters.
The undertale universe is freakishly overpowered. Alphys accidentally created a being that had total control of the timeline by injecting determination into a flower, Sans just has King Crimson powers for no reason, and a monster is able to become a literal god by absorbing human souls. Their technology is likely far more advanced then it was when they trapped the monsters underground, but it's important to remember that the reason the humans sealed away the monsters was because they were terrified of them, they might not have the physical power to beat humanity in a one on one conflict, but they have so many hacks at their disposal that if we wanted to flip the match around and say Asgore wanted to launch a sneak attack on humanity, then they would probably just be able to Thanos snap humanity out of existence
I am tired of the delusions of this fandom. Frisk is you the player, YOU ARE THE STRONGEST being in the world of Undertale. Flowey : The most determined manipulates the world.
@alexyordanov6250 Determination and saving is heavily linked to MT. EBOTT, which means that, any human that comes in, that also has the determination trait can save. As saving is linked to MT. EBOTT, flowey probably can't do much outside of the underground. Also, it'd be funny seeing flowey getting constantly disintegrated by a nuke, constantly, as he saved right before the nuke explodes but can't do anything about it (granted that the nuke is exploded in the underground, otherwise he wouldn't be able to save(
Humans wouldn't need to even break the barrier. In some neutral routes it's implied Frisk leaves the Underground, and that's only with a small boost to LV. Considering soldiers are trained to fight, they'd have a higher LV (Level of Violence) so even if they failed, which is unlikely anyway, they could just withdraw and keep the monsters trapped again. It's either a win or a stalemate for the humans really.
Frisk genocide never left the barrier they simply destroyed the entire Timeline and in the neutral endings Flowey somehow does something to make Frisk cross the barrier
1:19 My man...Look at Chara's clothes at the intro. There's no way they are from that period! The game most likely takes place 100~ years after Chara's fall, maybe 200, it's impossible to be 100% sure. It not being mega futuristic makes sense, there's no guaranteeing that in 2115 we will get sci-fi tech, Toby was just being realistic
OSHA would solo the monsters..... BY SECURING MOUNT EBOT AND NOT LETTING ANOTHER FUCKING CHILD FALL DOWN IT SHOULDNT THEY HAVE LEARNED THE 1ST FEW TIMES KIDS GOT MISSING?
no offence and nice video but the monsters absolutely win with ease they have someone like sans who has powers like nightmare manipulation , manipulation of time and space , gravity manipulation , teleportation , soul manipulation , immortality , karma , massively faster than light speed and much more wich would already destrroy the humans but stll interesting video
Can't really go faster than the speed of light unless you want to, like, convert to energy or get stop in time? Dunno much abt that, not a physician. Still, a nuke's a nuke. That cheap "inmortality" of yours can't do much against getting all of your particles instantly plasmified.
Another buff the monsters have. If theres a lot of humans. That means tons of souls. And if they use the first 6 to kill some humans and give monsters souls repeat. Then the humans sre done for. A fucking froggit with 6 souls could probably be comparable to sans/asgore level.
Human:can kill basically every monster Monsters that can cause problems: Napstabook and mad dummy are immortal Papyrus has never used his full power due to many theories Undyne the undying and the 6 souls have determination Mettaton is immune to bullets and can bomb, send drones, use lasers with alpha and so much more. Overall undyne and the 6 souls would definitely win but without that power the humans would just bomb the underground leaving the ghosts, maybe papyrus and Mettaton alive Amalgamates arent immortal, some have hp and most are already “dead”, also sans can teleport but will die at some point, amalgams are also killed by stuff such as “mystifying” and other abilities humans have used to spare, shareable monsters can be betrayal killed
Ok heres how monsters win: 1 convince the souls to listen and covince them to work with asgore or undyne either works(if this doesnt work, do it by force. This is war we're talking about, nothing is off the table.) 2 get one more soul throught killing the first soul that you can. 3 kill the superpowerered human or the people who opened the barrier they are the biggest threat 4 get the rest of the "boss" monsters seven souls this includes : asgore ( if the original seven were given to undyne), undyne (if the original souls were given to asgore), sans, toriel mettaton and give the rest of the souls collected to any frountline monsters (if they secure help from flowey, him too) 5 beat the humans' ez w. (If frisk counts as the monsters team, this is ez they just trick a human and someone kills that human ez and the power of reset to try again if the steps go wrong) humans win: step 1 come through the barriar from the exit side from passifist. Take the 6 souls ( if this fail they are almost screwwed ,but if they succeed ez win) 2 kill all "boss monsters" sans toriel asgore undyne mettaton flowey ( i know more than half are not cannonically boss monsters but they have " boss like " encounters ingame so im counting them) 3 kill the rest for ez win ( hopefully frisk doesnt ruin this). Or They nuke mt.ebott
Undyne can survive a knife, a grenade, no. Also the ammount of power to take so many hits to kill a SMALL CHILD (also undyne only went phase 2 bc they knew more was at danger)
i think the 6 souls act like a multiplier to the power of the monster who absorbs them so if a weak little smut of a flower turns into a god of space time image what asgore could do hell just let the amalgamates loose they are immortal like holy smokes some of this stuff is op AND since the humans are fighting that means MORE SOULS like imagine a froggit absorbing a soul it would be OP let alone sans who probably knows about souls and stuff and still alyphis can get a little devious and turn EVRYONE into an unkillable amalgamates
Every human has different soul types, and the only one with the power to save and reset is the red one, frisk (basically the most determined in the underground is the one to have the power to save and reset), also we have to take in account that by the end of a genocide run frisk is able to destroy the universe with a hit, so as a human levels up they have superhuman powers. A soldier by the time they enter the underground would be a lvl 1 human with 40 hp and low defense. Main monsters like sans, undyne, asgore, toriel and muffet should be able to take various soldiers before dying
If asgore absorbed the whole underground and the souls the humans are fucked... asgore was hodling back at the fight most people know that his full power is crazy and imagine him full power with the whole underground and the souls no one would stand a chance
The only reason frisk was able to beat the underground in genocide is because they can come back after death if they couldn’t then frisk would be long dead
there can be only one determination soul at a time even if the soul has been absorbed by a monster like how flowey did. flowey lost it's determination cuz frisk was special i guess
Even if the six human souls fail, they can always absorb the souls of any humans they kill. There would be internal conflict there though, so we've basically got a bunch of untrustworthy agents fighting for both sides at once and un-aliving anyone nearby with godlevel power.
@@crazygamingoscar7325 In the video the scenario was that the humans infiltrated the underground, not the monsters the surface, so no, the humans would be more prepared. Also, it doesn't matter the preparation, a nuke's a nuke.
@@vencedor1774 How would... the humans be fully prepared. They've gotta go through the barrier, and can't leave to give back info until a boss monster soul is claimed?
@@Kustopia this isnt related to the comment but tbh the souls would rebel, also the gov could remind the soldiers that asgore killed children and plans to kill everybody, including them and their families, also they could exaggerate the painfulness of the deaths of the kids
Por lo que parece el sistema de lucha de undertale es algo cannon, y hay siertas reglas de este que no pueden romper la mayoria de mounstros (la vida, los turnos, las elecciones, etc.) a lo mucho pueden alterarlas ya sea impidiento huir por ejemplo. Y claramente una de esas reglas impide hacer ese tipo de ataques, unicamente sans es capas de hacerlo solo cuando tenemos la guardia baja y flowey cuando es dios
Sorry but im gonna use google translator. From what it seems, the Undertale fighting system is somewhat cannon, and there are certain rules of this that cannot be broken by most monsters (life, turns, elections, etc.) at most they can alter them or prevent them from fleeing. For example. And clearly one of those rules prevents us from making that type of attacks, only Sans is able to do it only when we have our guard down and Flowey when he is a god
@@gabrielmbx9253 I understand, but only thing that confuses me as Undyne makes a shield around the player, so it seems that undyne can summon magic onto a player, so why can't it summon IN the soul?
It depends if the monsters can use the 6 souls and Sans uses the teleport to screw humans and Undyne makes the opponents stand still then they have a chance
It is eight billion humans and hundreds of thousands of bombs that can make disappear like 100 Undertales each. Yeah, sure, like a hundred monsters whom all of their power together does only equal one of the eight billion humans I was talking about before is surely going to outpower the humans.
@@vencedor1774 Bruh you greatly underestimate the power of a god monster. First about the position and the ease with which monsters can corner few humans thanks to Sans, Undyne and Asgore just teleport literally 7 humans and that's it. In the last war humans only won because they made a cowardly attack where they attacked without the monsters noticing since they knew that if they caught any human soul it is over for them. And what are nuclear bombs to a god?
I am on team humans Mainly because they would for 100% attack from the Asgore barrier room because they don't wanna fall off a very hight mountain They would quickly kill Asgore and contain the 6 human souls Then they would just go and murder everybody If a Child with a stick can murder the entire underground without getting hit once than a pack of soldiers with stronght guns will easily sweep the monsters And if they wanted to they could just nuke them because the explosion and radation proprably couldn't leave the barrier
@@gabrielmbx9253 Anything can enter the barrier The only problem is leaving. If one human wnated to leave they would need to also have a monster soul with them (And the only monster soul to last long enought for that is a boss monster soul), but the entire barrier can be destroyed with the power of 7 human souls... And I think there is more than 7 humans in the army
if the monsters are made of magic. a bullet going trough them wouldn't be that much than them getting punched over and over by a simple pan (in my opinion the bullets are too tiny to do too much damage). also the monsters have strange forms even there are skeletons so. it would be hard to shot to a place where it actually damages.
I feel like that argument could be as sound as "Humans are made of 70% water, and bullets don't do much in water, so humans aren't really affected by bullets"
If a few humans died and a monster absorbed their souls plus the 6 souls already at their disposal, they could become god and with the right intentions (As said by @Joe98912) the humans would be toast.
What about looking for the perfect ally for the Monsters? Looking for someone who could fill any gaps in the Monster's military, while having their own weaknesses covered likewise?
So is this basically what if Pacifist Frisk gave up on the game after the undyne or mad dummy fight and lost determination and let Asgore get the 7th soul to break the barrier.
Here me out here me out napstablook is our saving grace and maybe mad dummy and mettaton they physically can’t be hurt ik what you said about mettaton but he’s a ghost and if he’s still in his box form so despite a ghost’s defense stats saying what they are it is infinite as long as they don’t fuse
ngl i think full power asgore and undyne the undying could carry undyne the undying is a force of nature. asgore is a war veteran and hasn't been seen going all out, yet is implied to be stronger than sans; if he were to absorb the souls he'd guarantee a win or at least decimate the human side if the humans revolt. sans is powerful but i dont trust his 1 hp with hordes of enemies. most other enemies are free XP for soldiers, however it only takes 1 dead soldier for a monster to gain a huge power boost.
The description of the Toy Knife could be a joke. Many of Undertales items have some sort of joke in their description and it could be poking fun at the fact that so much stuff in the world is made of plastic.
@@Kustopia oh wait, i just remembered actual confirmation a calender in asgore’s home says that it’s from the beginning of 20XX but on the no mercy route the fallen human says “the date i came here”
Another note that gives the monsters a huge advantage: if they end up killing a few humans…some of the stronger monsters can take their souls, and gain a massive power boost.
Giving my opinion before watching the video : depends If we say frisk is just a normal person All it would take is one average human armed with a somewhat decent gun and a knife maybe like 3 of them if you want to be safe If we actually powerscale undertale and assume that the humans are as strong as we are then someone like undyne casually solos humanity.
What are you talking about? What can a fish with some floating magic spears that can't even kill you if they get a direct hit do against hundreds of thousands of soldiers, tanks, airplanes and, most importantly, nuclear bombs?
@@vencedor1774 frisk is fast enough to out speed bullets from a revolver and undyne is faster than frisk Lvl1 frisk was able to survive multiple tsar bombs before dying with comparable strength and undyne is physically superior to lvl1 frisk.
you forget the fact that frisk is a determined soul, kinda like chara so their soul is rare asf so most likely most humans won't have determination but if we are serious, sans is out of the question as he relies on KR which needs the enemy to have High Amount of LV meaning sans is at the far of the monster lines.
Frisk's soul trait is unconfirmed. Determination exists within all souls, otherwise it couldn't have been extracted from other souls in the true lab, which also says it's coloured yellow.
assuming that the Monsters did know about the attack a week ahead of time. Alphys could probably upgrade Mettatons defenses even more, Unleash the amalgamates. possibly give Undyne a slight pinch of a smich of Determination to boost Undyne even more and make awaken Undyne the Undying. then assuming that Undyne absorbs the 6 Human Souls and gets control over the timeline and absorbs any Human that she kills. and assuming that the atleast 12k citizens of the Underground who watched Mettaton Ex's fight against Frisk would be turned into an Amalgamate Army of 3k at minimum. along with any Ghost in the Underground to attack the Humans because they are incorporeal and only killable by magic attacks, and that Asgore doesn't hold back and destroys the fight button of whatever human he enters a battle with... the Monsters could most likely win. This scenario realistically wouldn't happen because of Certain knowledge that only a few people would know. (the Player, Frisk, Chara, Flowey, Souls if they do remember resets, and possibly Sans if he does remember resets) the Player- Out the window, up a mountain and down a cliff. aint doing jack. Frisk- ...DETERMINATION..? would probably help if the Player was disconnected. Chara- they.. cant really communicate with anyone.. Except maybe Napstablook. Flowey- "Howdy! I'm Flowey, pls oh pls gimme those Souls and i might consider helping you worms" Souls- if the souls are absorbs right away then they may be able to communicate with their absorber. Sans- would... anyone actually believe him? other than Papyrus and possibly Alphys?
Idk, I don’t think so. All it took was one child to destroy the entire underground society. And said child was barely armed. Only having various handheld items and a lot of guts. Sure, you can argue that save points were a likely reasoning behind this, but their strength and killing intent were still enough to wipe out almost EVERYTHING within those caves. Now apply that logic to… idk, an entire army of trained adults with guns and other insane weaponry that exceeds a simple kitchen knife. Sure, no reset abilities means some humans might die, but there’s absolutely no way monsters could gain the upper hand.
