What if the Ottomans Colonized America? 

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Then why not create it now 😉

@@user-ot2yz7it7i As if California isn't enough of a Hellhole

It's already named after a Caliphate. There was a book from the 1500s with the fictional island of California which ruled by a Califa or female Calif/Caliph in Spanish. It was popular among the conquistadors and they named the area after it.

@@user-ot2yz7it7i Inshallah one day

Well, also they kinda couldn’t. Ever since the enormous loss at La Panto the Ottoman navy was mostly confined to their maritime borders.

yeah , the crusader states where in a sense the proto colonized state , the arabs afther the first caliphate wheren't into colonizing anymore

Yup, Austria Hungary didn’t have any colonies either despite having the opportunity at the Berlin conference, and Russia didn’t have any overseas colonies except Alaska which was more an extension of their Siberian expansion. It tended to be that large multiethnic land empires didn’t also colonize overseas as much.

@@davidegaruti2582 this is actually not true. Ask, eastern Africa about it. Or the large amounts of slaves they took from them (to the point a slave rebellion was more properly classified as a civil war) Secondly, muslims had repeatedly attempted to colonize India. In fact, its strangely something they are told to do.

@@samr6408 technically jts incorrect if you remembered what Austria and Russia did to Poland.

Wowwww

Bayazid the second kında made ottoman empire bad,that wasnt the ONLY bad decision he made

​@@funnyvalentine9110 he was a smart ruler better than we have any in present time . But his son yauz selim was something else

@@ZeeshanStates-ww7su no, he wasn't smart.

Perang padri : im a joke to you

@@baskara3954 Perang padri is a war between the native and the dutch in west Sumatra, so no it was not spread to the native by violence

@@baskara3954 Are you a Batak?

@@anandantor99 no im muslim

Islam isn’t different here in Indonesia. Our school of thought is a Hanafi majority, which isn’t Indonesian at all When practiced properly without bid’ah no one could tell the difference between an Indonesian, Indian, or Arab Muslim. The only thing differentiating ourselves is our architectural and fashion motifs as well as language.

Pretty interesting idea

Part 4 ????

that actually sounds pretty cool

Write a book based on such idea, good sir. Surely, you stand to make a decent profit from it!

Not even Europeans did that why would Turks

Thanks! Originally I was going to focus much more on that aspect. Like how Spain's ultimate goal with their empire was to retake the Holy Land, yet colonization and wars with their neighbors took them on a different path. It's something that I really want to talk about more one day.

@@user-op8fg3ny3j I think so. In many ways it was sort of this “catch all” colonial term that Portuguese, Spanish and sometimes other W. Europeans used to refer to Arabs, Berbers and Muslims in general. It’s a bit like the word “Saracen” but more encompassing.

@@AlternateHistoryHub please make that video.

I actually have had him as a professor

Reading a book on the Portuguese explorations also talks about that. The Christendom felt trapped between Muslims all around so there was a "desperate" attempt to bring most places to become Christian and they actually feared, after finding the Americas, that a portion of natives might have been already converted to Islam.

Geography bro

Mistakes like these have led me to believe that he doesnt actually know a lot about the Ottomans... This is standarz knowledge

@@ArdaSRealno, it’s not ‘’standarz’ knowledge’ because I didn’t know that until @skullsforerlikkhansthrone9306 pointed that out. Not everyone specializes in that shit nor is everyone an historian

@@SparklRebel it is standarz knowledge, he literally has a history channel and makes a video about the ottomans, it shows that he lacks basic information about what language they even spoke...that is not "specialised information"

@@ArdaSReal I speak Persian and couldn't understand most of it. But there was a significant amount of Persian words that made me able to kind of guess what a particular sentence means. If the grammar was Persian along side the words, it would have made it much more understandable to me. It is clearly based on Turkish, but with a large amount of Persian loan words.

@---1001--- yes exactly it's basically turkish in structure but woth persian and arab vocabulary

Moroccans: *I'll join.*

Turkish nationalist do not want anything to do with colonizing other parts of the world. The world nationalist literally means to keep it to your own nation. Now Neo-Ottomans, people who are islamist and want an other Islamic empire. They are already working on that time machine in the basement of their carpet washing shop using broken washer and microwave parts.

@@denizcaprak2442 HAHA yeahh

@@denizcaprak2442 slap some zam-zam water into it and Insyaallah the machine shall work

@@imalicornbuthalal6646 lira is too weak to import zam zam. Can they use some water blessed by a imam?,

I think while they might have wanted to try even if they did hear about it, its that they wouldn't have the power to do it without permission from the Ottomans/dominate power. It would all depend if they'd be kicked out and thus forced to settle like the african, greek and balkan planation slaves in the video or if the powers that be just let them stay. I really doubt that the Ottomans where going to let some greeks get their hands on an ocean going and likely military vessel without being notified and good luck going across the Atlantic on a Mediterranean fishing boat.

Spain had literally banned unwantwd minorities from moving to the Americas. This fiction of “le persecute group move to le america for le new begin” has only ever even remotely happened for radical protestants of England who were only allowed to move because there were so so few people in English colonies UNLIKE SPAIN

in the 16th and 17th centuries these minorities weren’t as repressed as in the 19th. in fact the christian minorities you mentioned made up a significant chunk of the military, so most likely the colonies will be partially christian anyways. and why would the shiites move to the americas when they could simply move to neighbouring iran

@N Gaming yeah I’m not sure the caliphates in spain had it in them to go conquesting in America. They didn’t do it in europe. Ottomans on the other hand if kicked out from europe might have tried it.

@N Gaming true after all morocco did have plans to team up with england to partition spains empire in our timeline

Kubidde Tacos.

Ottoman not a race they were a royal family

While its a really interesting scenario, being brazilian of portuguese descent and a fan of my ancestors history, it gives me the chills. Imagine the damned moors colonizing my country… horrible. Lol

@@Nimai_Aquino but they would have probably treated your ancestors better 🤷‍♂️ moors weren’t really aggressive, they were highly intelligent and creative

@@splintercell5551 bro this is so big i dont think we would exist

@@blackblack6032 Nah

I rather enjoy living in todays todays version of what happen since my favorite foods wouldn’t exist anymore also el Gato wouldn’t exist

@@Nonexistent69 could be resulting in better culinary in alternate world, cultural exchange like food is the most easiest to be accepted and spread across the world

Well the key words there are "land empires" You can't colonize somewhere across the world without the naval capability to supply and defend them. A colony takes a long time to grow and create. It's dependant on its home country for a long time before becoming self sufficient, if at all. So a country like Austria Hungary and Russia would need to first set up a colony. Then consistently send supply ships to them, settlers and investments, over a multi generational timespan. At which point any number of things could go on in their home country that puts the kaibash on the whole thing. "Is it worth it to us?" Is the real question. And the answer is heavily dependant on the state of the nation asking itself that. In 250 years there might be people asking "why didn't Germany or Pakistan colonize Mars?"

@@alexanderrahl7034 exactly

yes they just colonized neighboring land

Although the ottomans arguably did have overseas territories in eritrea and yemen

@@mint8648 I don't think I would count those though

Zoroastrians were not considered part of « people of the book » since that religion is not Abrahamic

@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Yea they are majoosi or mushrikeen, but they still paid the jizyah. A small correction for OP.

Imagine having to pay a tax for not believing in a fictional character...

@@GoatOfWar Considering in this scenario everyone was part of some form of religion, I'm not sure you're barking up the right tree there.

@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 While they aren't an Abrahamic religion, some Islamic rulers did extend the definition of "people of the book" to include them.

Unrelated question, but what is the music at 8:30?

@@yellomango_6440 your mom

Yes

Then the world would be truly perfect

World Peace

*YES*

Then I could make a joke about the polish girl in my history class having a lithuanian boyfriend

Or maybe italy forcefully unifies under the Popes influence.

@N Gaming (Muslim) Pirates of the Carribean

@N Gaming Id also imagine that thein regards to the far east(like China, Japan and Indochina) the local leaders might be more trusting of europeans, since they want to avoid getting converted to islam. Hell, maybe Christian Europe bans slavery much Early.

@N Gaming Plus in the video i sense a possibility that if eastern European people(polìsh, hungarians and all those you know) are used as slaves in the caribbeans, the many European kingdom would gladly support the rebellious slaves( perhaps creating a parallel similar to the one of France help the American settlers gain Indipendence)

@N Gaming Still, they would support any slave rebellion if it pisses off the cordobans and the ottomans

We turks call turkey india

In Greek we call them “French bird” lol

Franks

white flags made in France

@@scientistx5717 hindi, to be exact

Whether they were building an empire or not, they would still be devastated by the diseases, so until their population recovered, they wouldn't be able to do much, so they wouldn't be very relevant overall

He mentioned how Mexico would be English dominated when this would be unlikely. For one, the Aztecs nearly kicked out the Spanish in our timeline. In addition, the Aztecs would probably be gone in another 200 years as their empire was already beginning to decline (even before Cortez). Hence its possible that the Tarascans might replace them as the next great mesoamerican empire. And unlike the Aztecs, the Tarascans didn't have human sacrifice that made it easy for people like Cortez to gain native allies against them. And as far as disease goes, fewer people comming, and the Native Empires surviving, means far fewer people would die, and far more Natives being born. Meaning southern Mexico might be Tarascan speaking.

do you think civilizations like the aztecs and incas would still exist by the time Cordoba arrives?

@@damicool2000 the video mentioned how, with the cordobans not having a dire need for colonies like Spain and Portugal, colonization would be MUCH slower, giving populations more than enough time to get close to pre contact levels, especially in places like Chile or the Andes that would be reached later. And considering how the decaying Aztecs almost thrashed the conquistadors while ravaged by disease and attacked by the many native American enemies they'd made, AND that expedition had most of Spain's resources behind it, while the Muslim Iberians wouldn't consider it such a priority... It kinda seams like a big deal

@@ricardoludwig4787 Cortes was a wanted man in Cuba, he departed the island with just a couple hundred of men in a rush to not be convicted. He was quite lacking in everything. Despite that, the only drawback they suffered was their expulsion of Tenochtitlan, so I don't know why people thinks that the spaniards were about to lose when in fact was quite an easy and fast conquest

Different kind of Turkey :P

He said ones coming soon in his message. Suggestions are welcome.

It's only the 11th of december...

@@TehMehKehIen Hence why I said wintery. Could talk about Scandinavia or anything about snow really.

@N Gaming k

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Imagine having the ability of seeing all possible outcomes and timelines. Then, imagine people choosing the wrong paths. Later on, they ask for your help despite you giving them blatantly better paths in the past. Example, "Wealth would set us free." Opportunity of significant wealth arises but, the requirements are... Don't meet the requirements. You personally try to help. They attack you. Ship sails and they're stuck on the path of slavery. Example 2: "Our country has never been truly sovereign. The outsiders have always controlled us." Opportunity to free them culturally and make them dominant against all the odds arises. The requirements to install are... They choose the path of slavery. You even personally get involved. They still choose the side leading to slavery. The main point, free will is a beautiful thing. Just because a person or entity can free your people doesn't mean you'll choose the right path. What matters is you have the option. I know from personal experience that even telling people in plain English what the requirements are will still be left to their free will. Fortunately, this is a diverse reality and there's always other people more than happy to listen.

muslim aztecs, imagine. lmao

I don't think the Aztec will, since they were on the verge of collapse due to their aggressive nature, maybe the kingdoms around it take frontal focus.

@@trla6505 i agree, the inca tho.... I mean, look at that messaging system...

@@lordmeow now that's a good food for thought

@N Gaming m8, its an alt hist vid, allow it.

Yes I agree. Or the Dutch or Scandinavian..

I think the coastal European powers would have some pretty decent Navies, they might not have dominance over the Atlantic, but with Muslims controlling the ports in wester Iberia the Europeans might've went "Oh shit, better start making war ships so they don't blow up our trading vessels and conquer our coasts". Muslims retaining Iberia Might've been a great motivator for Europe to attempt at being a Maritime power if anything just as a deterrent to Muslim Naval expansion

If the Vikings got to Newfoundland for a time I don’t see how England wouldn’t do the same

@@FiscaalAftrekbaar The Dutch wouldn't exist without Spain

Not sure how much earlier it would have been possible. There’s a big difference between Vikings landing in the new world and the Spaniards or alternate Muslims consistently colonizing and monetizing it. Assuming something like the 100 years war also happened in the alt timeline they would have been much too busy with each other anyway

Yes discovering america would have probably lead to an age of exploration for ottoman sailors

True

@N Gaming bro you are copy pasting the same text under every comment, please touch grass

@N Gaming Wow a lot of the shit you said is straight up wrong lmao.

I think that the disease would have ended up spreading faster than the knowledge of it's infection, and while it would decrease casualties (especially long term), I think the native populations would still have been decimated by those diseases

I don't see why it would have been in the Ottamans interests to share the knowledge and prevent the deaths though

The Inca an Aztec had higher survival rate compared to other indigenous communities. Probably because they were more advanced than the other cultures and they had plenty of food reserves. That's why the genetic pool of the people who inhabited these areas, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia in the case of the Incas, and Guatemala and southern Mexico is still mostly indigenous. So with the help of ottoman knowledge, the survival rate would've been higher, and because of this help, the native empires would've seen the ottomans as allies, adopting many aspects of their culture and probably converting to Islam eventually.

@N Gaming I'll be honest don't know why you're saying this, my comment was about the idea that if Iberia was muslim the golden age of the Ottomans would last longer and that because of that a coalition would form to curb such influence as well as an alignment of England and France in the west to prevent Islamic influence from spreading in Western Europe due the Andalusian Iberia, so you talking about colonization doesn't make much sense

@@perkele2040 don't talk to them there all over the comments spaming this shit

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"What if Sierra Leone colonised The Moon?"

@@TomJohnson67 "What If Zimbabwe beat the Soviets in the Cold War?"

What if Grand Fenwick (accidentally) conquered the US during the Cold War?

What if the archipelago of Japan suddenly industrialised and conquered all of East Asia?

I mean the Suez canal did not exist back then. It was more becaue of high taxes rather than the Ottoman control. The Venetians for example were pretty happy with the Ottomans because of priveleges obtained by trade agreements.

I'm sure there was no suez canal in that period or do they teach that in schools always blame the Muslims lol

Portugal started the exploration in 1415 well before the Ottoman conquest of the Suez.

@@luisgoncalosilva6194 Wait the suez canal existed back then? I thought it was built at the 18th century or something

@@yaboikindabored9831 Suez is actually the name of the city located on the northernmost point of the Red Sea, nort of the Suez Gulf. The city was an important tradehub and a major naval station for the Ottoman Empire. The canal's construction began on 1856 and was opened in 1869. The name of the canal comes from the Suez port, as it connects the incoming trade to Suez to the Medditerranean.

They must fight cassowaries first then our doped up savage fighting chickens.

What if there were an Australia-Hungary, and a Great Lake Balaton existed separating the Balkans from Central Europe?

We would probably be at Alpha Centauri by now.

That’s a good idea for an April fools video.

@@Perririri And the Pirates of Balaton is a real thing, Magyars and Balkan people were the seafaring nations just like the Greeks, you either become a fisherman, a trader, or join the pirates.

That would have been great.

Or if the Soviet Union dropped communism

@@connorh2215 yeah no more tension

@@kv-2156 well false. Eastern members are not liked with their western counterparts, and well Germany after 2008 was seen as having to much control. Really, if Russia joined that would be amped up by 11.

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How can horses help conquests in the mountain ? Btw if the Spanish massacred Incas it was because of the gold not religious reasons. The ottomans would also pillage for gold likely

@@nicocola284 Yes and No. They used religion to justify their actions but it was excuse for gold.

@@dragoninthewest1 Spanish king even forbade abuses on populations. But a point ottomans didn’t have was the craziness of the reconquista. Conquistadors were crazy and thought they could christianise the world. Ottomans would never attempt to destroy the Aztec empire, or not immediately.

@@nicocola284 that is true

@@nicocola284 "Ottomans would never attempt to destroy the Aztec empire, or not immediately. " Just like they never tried to conquer Europe or Africa? Lmfao

Iceland? In our timeline Iceland remained a possession of Norway, then Denmark and contact was never lost. Do you mean Greenland? But I agree, Denmark-Norway is likely in this timeline to resume expeditions beyond Greenland to North America

Right

I swear I’ve seen you before in the comments of Sargon of Akkad’s podcast

@@byzantineboi8345 i see this man everywhere

Honestly, Japan wouldn't really be interested in going over the Pacific, they're an island nation but they've been pretty internally focused for most of their history. Ming dynasty China would have been more likely (and more capable) or creating the ships large enough to go over the Pacific or the interest of exploring. Zheng He made it all the way to Africa with his treasure fleet but after he died and the emperor he worked under died, the next one had no interest in naval exploration so China turned its doors inwards as well. If the next emperor wanted to continue the sea trade and exploration, its entirely possible you'd see a lot more Chinese influence in South Asia, the Middle East and Africa and maybe even Chinese colonies going down from Alaska towards California.

@@richyhu2042 the thing is, by the time of the 16th century, japan was an outward country with a large navy, commercial influence in southeast asia, and expansionist plans while ming china had severely reduced the effectiveness of its own navy

@@mint8648 well you forgot that japan closed their island for 200 years right? Nobody can go and nobody can get in. So that's the major factor too

@@richyhu2042 Interesting! After all, it's even better with China!

Japanese Western coast and Japanese Eastern coast one is Black and one white😂

Cody already mentioned that any Ottoman conquest in the Americas woild be impossible if the Christian Iberian kingdoms existed

And religion

@@Anverse-14 it’s not unreasonable for the ottomans to get some islands in the Caribbean, the dutch did and it’s not like Spain liked them. Imagine the turks owning the turks.

True, Ottomans always used the classic vassal system when it wanted to project its influence over neighboring states that wasn't powerful to resist them but also too costly to invade and absorb, for far away countries though they preferred economic and cultural deals and exchanges to build their reputation especially in Africa and India for example Ottoman scholars and religious figures travelled all the way to Nigeria and South Africa to open educational and religious instutions, current day Turkey follows the same principle in Africa opening schools religious sites hospitals military bases etc.

O cholera, czy to freddy fazbear?? 🥶

Oversimplified?

People back then called them rumis (turkish romans)

Ottowomen 😂

*Georgi Washingtanos

Washington Paşa lol

Al Sultan Al Washingtun

Disagreed, these empires were already stagnating and showing cracks. The Inca were on the verge of a major civil war, and the primary fighting force that toppled the Aztecs wasn't Cortes but their subjugated states. The Aztecs were stagnant and the Inca were overextended. There are limits to how much you can grow without beasts of burden or practical applications of the wheel. Don't get me wrong, their feats of engineering, understanding of astronomy, and surely many other things that were lost were mighty impressive, but there are fundamental limits imposed on them. You can't retain an empire if 90% of your people die. Even if something emerged after the fact if the Ottomans didn't press their advantage (what is more likely is they would have been called in to make protectorates of certain states) it would be ages to recover, and they would be extremely heavily influenced by foreign pressures in this new development.

@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 I also agree with this. But I think they would stand a chance. Maybe the muslims would not take advantage of the subjugated states, and the Aztec would sustain some of their might somehow. Same for the Inca. In the same sense that the English somehow got united under a single banner, the Inca would have a chance to do so in the future.

@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 They weren't stagnant at all, they were doing great. In regards to the aztecs, without an external player with far more advanced military technology to rely on, the subyugated peoples would have been easily asimilated. The inca were at an ACTUAL civil war BECAUSE of a succession crisis caused by the plagues brought by europeans, wether or not the specific chain of events would replicate is anyone's guess.

It’s possible that the Inca or Aztec may have been converted to Islam through trade just like many pre-Islamic African empires were

@@skysthelimitvideos I'd say it is a given.

“too much internal issues to be outward” bro the ottomans literally campaigned in regions as far apart as morocco to kenya to astrakhan to gujarat to malaysia

@@mint8648 Land empires expanding into countries that have prebuilt infrastructure and labor populations are way cheaper than trying to build up new colonies without that overseas, like the Ottomans would have had to do in South America in this scenario. It was worth the massive investment for Europe as Europe could neither domestically grow products that took well to the Caribbean like sugarcane and spice plantations, nor trade cheaply with people who could (or in North America, get easy access to furs). The Ottomans could do both with their Old World empire, so there just would be too little incentive without some very fixed cultural reasons, like how the Spanish desired to build a Christian bulwark against the Ottomans (obviously not an issue for all but the most schizophrenically paranoid of alternate Ottoman Empires) or desperately try to relieve internal stresses political disunity by dumping people overseas, like the British (which the Ottomans might do, but probably have better, cheaper options for within Europe, Asia, and Africa). Not to mention, as they expanded everywhere, they were pushed against everywhere as a reaction. At any given moment the Ottomans could be at war with the Persians and their allies, the Austrians and their allies, Italians and their allies, and of course their own scheming, disloyal governors and their allies. In the midst of that constant ****storm, why bother opening up a new weak point in the Americas for some annoying French and British and Whatever fleets to continuously harangue and occupy, not to mention facing the power plays of any native potentate in South or Central America that decides they've had enough of whatever disagreement has erupted between them and the Turks this week?

@@nathaniellindner313 i’m not saying the ottomans could have went to the americas if they wanted to, i’m just saying the ottomans were very capable of extending outwards to places even beyond the reach of european colonial powers so the internal instability is not a problem.

@@nathaniellindner313 there was barely any infrastructure in the ottoman overseas territories of eritrea and yemen. in the case of yemen there used to be infrastructure but everything was too ravaged by civil wars.

@@nathaniellindner313 yes the ottomans have many enemies but you’re acting like european powers like spain are free from this problem. The ottomans had to fight persia while the spanish had to fight morocco. the ottomans have tensions with austria, and spain with france. england is also a threat to spain. and the barbary states (technically part of ottoman empire but not really). internal revolts in ottoman empire are similar in spain (like the morisco revolt). not to mention brunei, japan, the dutch, portugal, the moros.

The world would be very different - slaves from Africa would never have been brought to the new world, since they were brought in to replace indigenous slaves who were being killed off by disease

The world would be a better place

@@nicocola284 Truly impossible to say, who knows what sort of ripple effects that would have on global history in the following centuries

@@DHEspana no more USA, it’s a better place

So I guess in the alternative scenario, many domesticatable animals made it across the land bridge along side humans.

India needed to be partitioned since it’s just too damm diverse and would be nearly impossible to develop. Also India was never truly united , it was united under certain empires but they had constant rebellions which makes the unity not make any sense

@@proger1960 I understand your argument but if that was the case, why not just break it up even further? Why just India and Pakistan? Why not sindh or bengal or karnata?

@@therealjay2801 Sorry I meant to elaborate further , yes Bengal and other states would eventually need to be formed since not all brown people are the same and are unique to each other.

@@proger1960 Um.... Not all Indians are brown? Certainly not in the north.

@@proger1960 also how would they be formed eventually? That certainly didn't happen in otl so how can we know if it would happen?

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And if there are prophecies about the coming of the old worlders ships, it could be some random guy that saw these lost fish chasers

Sources?

Agreed. British and Dutch would have really profited from that situation

@@Chrischi4598 There is unlikely to be a Dutch equivalent in this scenario given the fact the Spanish kingdoms were destroyed.

@N Gaming America had been discovered by the Vikings. Leif Ericsson and the Viking explorers got there first but failed to establish a colony. They probably sailed from Ireland because the Vikings established an enclave in Dublin based on their slave trade. So, Columbus wasn't first to discover North America.

To be fair though they came about relatively late in the "empire" period.

Makes me wonder what would happen if they didn't get themselves killed by joining in The Great War.

@@chuckn4851 Still, lasted longer than others who came in later and were painfully dominant and fthriving while Europe was in the dark ages

@@alexanderrobins7497 True. But I think it was done for in the 20th century already. Internal conflicts and weaker leaders

@@theunbeatable6598 muslims in spain had already discovered americas while whole western europe was in dark afes and barbarism and governor of spain hernan cortes in his book mentioned of mosques in mexico and texas and he said that native women in americas dressed as moorish women😊😊😊

@@user-op8fg3ny3j Arabic Florida Man