Just some future videos that I have planned for the channel: - What if Cell Max was PERFECTED - What if Frieza TRAINED after Namek - What if Gohan TRAINED after Cell - What if Humans were ACTUALLY useful Hope you enjoyed this one and stick around till the next one!
technically vegeta wouldn't get the form since he had 0 god of destruction training at the time, remember he trained with beerus to learn bout the powers of a destroyer
I think the ultra ego is a mindset, and Hakai can be used without training (Goku does it, although it’s a one off thing). But I could agree with going with he couldn’t get it without training with Beerus!
@JaylonTheory the thing is, Goku tried to copy it and failed, it has to be trained, it's harder than it looks. There's a difference between copying someone by eye, and actually getting trained by a master.
My head cannon says if vegeta and goku switched places when freeza tried to hakai Goku, he could have maybe took in s9me of the destruction energy the way goku absorbed God Ki and reta9ned his powers. And I say this would work as we are told Vegeta achieved God hood through training alone and not through the ritual.
Thing is Goku can do just about any technique in the show just by witnissing it once. It is what makes him a genius at fighting. Roshi used the Kamehameha on the mountain and goku tried just for laughs and did it, albiet weaker version.@mushroom11g55
I doubt it. It seems to be just visual quirk from the movie, as we did see Vegeta's hair goes from transition to green and then golden as he finished his SSJ transformation, even though it doesn't make much sense.
I mean Goku wouldn’t be getting extra Whis training that he wouldn’t have already gotten in canon. Basically Whis was hooked by Goku unlocking UI, but unlike Meerus he doesn’t understand Mortals and thus his teachings will always be limited by that. Basically Meerus is a better teacher for how Mortals unlocks and understands the fundamentals of UI, but Whis is the better teacher to explain the intermediate and advanced levels of UI.
Moro might lose against Ultra Ego Vegeta right after he escaped since he was already weakened and Hakai energy are technically toxic to him so he can't really absorb energy of destruction. Although i absolutely love the idea of True Ultra Ego
Vegeta has a genetical ability where if he gets his ass beat he comes back stronger. Vegeta has a transformation where if he is, at the moment, getting his ass beat, he gets stronger. Guess what? HE STILL GETS HIS ASS BEAT
If Vegeta unlocked UE earlier, his fight record in that form would be 0 - 4 instead of 0 - 3. Ultra Ego in TOP would've just start his losing streak earlier. Been watching this man get his ass beat for 30 years. Don't really see that pattern changing anytime soon.
Yeah tbh just thinking like the writers probably would, even if he got the form Early he probably still wouldn’t win any major battles (maybe small temporary wins here and there, or tag teams).
@JaylonTheory Yup, pretty much gotta agree with what you just said. Don't get me wrong, Vegeta is one of the better written characters, but they just refuse to give him any real glory. He's always been the character to make the villain look good, which ultimately is designed to make Goku look good. For example, I'll give you the Moro arc. Gives Vegeta a character development arc, then gives him new ability, just for him to show up, get jobbed, then Goku wins.
I guess you could say Vegeta unlocks Ultra Ego again, but by the time Toppo gets eliminated I believe only Jiren was left standing, and Goku had used UI Sign twice by that point (1st with Jiren, 2nd with Kefla).
@echoconyx2496 Moro has to grab the back of someones neck to take their ability nowhere was it stated that Moro gets his ability just by touching or getting touched
Nah, he needs to touch someone in order to get there abilities, and based off the fact that Black Frieza doesn’t even rival Beerus yet, Moro has 0 chance of getting his hands on Beerus
>He remembered that he was the Prince of all Saiyans, the strongest Saiyan there was >He decided if Toppo threw everything away he would too Okay but this is a contradiction. His thoughts are conflicting here. Ultra Ego requires the mindset of a Destroyer focussed on pure offence, violence and the thrill of it all, rather than any martial calmness or zen like Ultra Instinct. It would have made more sense for him to still double down on his pride and who he truly is, but just take the power up in a different direction. Vegeta throwing away everything he is wouldn't work, since when Toppo does this, it's a hollow power up that Vegeta proves is worthless. Also, unfairly, Ultra Ego requires knowledge of Destruction Energy and how to use it and think like a Destroyer, unlike UI which doesn't actually require prior knowledge of special godly stuff at all and is just the epitome of the honed martial techniques Goku had been learning all his life. An early-UE story requires Vegeta to have trained with Beerus or fought him as the Super Saiyan God, something to get a proper feel of Destruction Energy, before he can attempt UE at all, no matter his mindset. Truthfully, in the canon scenario, if Vegeta knew how to properly use Destruction Energy, there could've been an easy case for UE. Ultimately though, he also only achieves the form because the fight there in has no grand stakes other than he and Goku's own lives; pure Saiyan battlelust, no grand schemes or a threat to his home. Just him and the fight. Basically what I'm saying is a What-If like this needs to be 10-15 minutes longer and have more set up as to how Vegeta can even attempt to do it, unless you're just magically granting him a power he can't physically know yet.
@@JaylonTheory and buddy goku also want through training like vegeta Goku trained with meerus and whis while vegeta trained with yadraatants and beerus still they are were even In top goku also had no training for ui So Top mui >= ue vegeta top
@@yashdave7559i think you don't know that ultra ego vegeta is stronger than mui Goku. Goku mui got one taped by granola but ultra ego almost defeated granola , but you can say that for TOP since Vegeta didn't train hakai from beerus
I think the only way to combine techniques like that is to pair ultra instinct with Destroyer abilities. That is probably what a hypothetical “Ultra Vegito” would do if they fused now.
You messed something up. Broly fought frieza for an entire HOUR before the dragon was gathered and a wish was made. Goku and vegeta might have finished Broly off before the wish was even thought of
The Dragon Balls were already gathered (Frieza didn’t decide to descend to the Earth until this was confirmed). Once arriving, Frieza allowed Goku and Vegeta to fight with Broly for entertainment sake. However, from what I remember, the only reason anyone thinks to summon shenron, is because Gogeta Blue was about to kill Broly and they wanted to save his life. And it was not a time restraint that kept them from making the wish.
@@JaylonTheory hmm you right. The only thing to consider is maybe Vegeta by himself without the fusion of Goku influencing them to play with broly instead of finish him could be the difference here. Vegeta might finish him before they can summon shenron still since Goku's mind isn't there to convince him not too
I think Moro would have been quickly defeated in the rematch after Yardrat training, and that Granolah would have been killed before Gas and Elec became a threat. Freeza Black would have still happened, but I think Vegeta would have been able to take a few blows.
Can definitely agree with Moro. If Vegeta could catch up to Moro arc MUI Goku that early Moro would be no diff. It would really depend on if he could divert Vegeta and absorb his power somehow
Honestly blue evolution made a whole lot more sense because at the time vegeta wasn’t doing one on one training with beerus, he was still training under Whis mostly so he had no real destroyer power. Blue evolution is kind of like a precursor to ultra ego because it is blue fueled by pure pride and that’s the basis of ultra ego
You could definitely look at it that way. I don’t think Beerus is REQUIRED for Ultra Ego. However I do think he was the key player in pointing Vegeta in the right direction due to his understanding of how the power works.
Hey! Love the what if. Hope youre having a wonderful new year! I do have a what if for you to explore. And its quite unusual. What if the goku black arc happened BEFORE beerus woke up. So for the conditions. Gokus max is ssj3 Vegetas max is ssj2 Trunks is trunks. Goku black is going to stay in ssj for a while before showing off godly rosé (basically ssg but pink. I wanted to use it more for ambushing since the protags cant sense godki.) Zamasu is zamasu and will do zamasu things. I think a fusion would be mandatory. But with trunks and vegeta making Trugeta (or Vegenks). While goku gathers energy from the present. Holds it in his body to time travel. And attempts something similar to what happened in the androids movie. But it isnt perfect and only slows zamasus regeneration... And as such forces their trump card for a fusion. Forcing a temporary retreat to try and stop them once and for all. I think itd be a really fun what if... You can use the template or go your own route with it! Always love listening to your what ifs when im stuck at work. Have a wonderful day.
I only mentioned X10, which Goku may objectively be able to do, since the Universe 6 tournament happens shortly after Revival of F. But for X20, he could use it in the Tournament of power (he uses Kio Ken against merged Zamasu but I don’t think we know the exact figure he used).
So months of training with beerus got vegeta that strong imagine if he just trained with him since dragon ball battle of gods bro would’ve erased frieza goku black zamasu and probably smack jiren
Honestly it would have been cool to see Beerus begin training Vegeta from the very start, he probably would have grasped Ultra Ego as early as his fight with Hit if I had to think about it, definitely would be way stronger than Goku Black or even Jiren around that time maybe
My theory is that they are moving closer to there ultra forms being there base forms. So the closer they get to mastering there ultra techniques and making it there own, the more it will resemble them in base. Which is why like MUI has silver hair (mimicking an Angle), but “TUI” has black hair, which is more align with Goku’s self and more unique to him.
actually ultra ego was stronger than mui (goku was beaten by granolah, while vegeta hold is own) in granolah arc so it should be massively stronger than mui in the tournament of power arc. I think it could one/two shot jiren.
The only reason I say he isn’t, is because inbetween that time Vegeta not only trained with the Yardrats (which significantly boosted his base form and put his perfected blue on par with UI Sign Goku), but also, he was taking lessons from Beerus inbetween that and the start of the Granola arc. So even base to base, Vegeta in the Granola arc would destroy ToP Vegeta, so UE should follow. But tbh, you never know, if he got UE I’m sure they would have written it to be as strong as MUI at that time!
Other than the mindset barrier that Toppo overcame to unlock god of destruction power, and the mindset barrier Vegeta overcame to unlock Ultra Ego in the manga we really have no pther reason to believe this form requires anything other than that. (I can agree the Hakai is a stretch, however in the manga Goku uses this technique with no prior training)
