I don’t know why everyone doesn’t know kaioken it would help a lot of the side characters so much💯 Edit: just seen the 300 likes after a year thanks guys lol
Super Saiyan blue evolution would matter. If Super Saiyan Blue 20x is the same as Super Saiyan Blue evolution, they can master blue evolution and stack it with kaioken.
I've been wanting to tell your for ages that vegeta black's outfit is inaccurate as it was based off of Goku's Gi. i feel like he'd have a black outfit of the vegeta outfit.
Well it makes a slight bit of sense I’m rewatching this a few months later lol but Zamasu chose that Gi. He stayed in the same clothes when he wished to be Goku Black he had the same Kai clothes so it kinda makes sense a bit I guess?
It is such a waste that no one ever bothered to ask “ok... so... súper saiyan 3 is bad in general... but what if instead of just saying it is bad... you mastered it like you did with 1 or 2? That way it would be more reliable and you could stack things above it making you insanly strong”
He probably means in canon. Well Super Saiyan 3 is quite literally unperfectable because of how much energy is there, and the form can’t be stabilized per se without destroying your body. The only way this is possible is by being dead where you don’t run out of energy and your body is more durable. By the time they should be strong enough to handle it, they don’t need it anymore. Plus if they did perfect it then what, it still becomes useless when Beerus rolls on with God Ki.
Tan Enzo yeah I guess you are right... but still would be nice to be able to rely on it without drawbacks just to have another step to be able to stand on while they pace themselves, besides... the form is so buried that not even gotenks uses it anymore because of how useless it is... it would be nice for goku gotenks and vegeta to be able to use it so we can see more of the actual power the form grants without needing to use it sporadically or holding back, if they did perfect it, it would be a good way to show off and have fun (which saiyans do a lot of) since to be honest, all forms are useless since you have súper saiyan god and blue which by now could safe to say are the only ones that goku and vegeta actually need... so, for them to have súper saiyan 3 perfected would be a good way to tell their opponents “congratulations you are stronger than average but not strong enough for me to bother to turn god so imma just use this instead to intimidate you and have fun with my amazing mortal power”... cause we know that if the form had no drawbacks, vegeta would be spamming súper saiyan 3 just because of his ego, and goku would have fun with its power since he usually does have fun at the start of fights by pacing himself without going full out to finish the fight
@@diobrando7774 makes sense... puts you to wonder.... why do the decide to use designs so hard to draw when they know they have to draw it over and over and over and over and over.... man... puts you to reflect how much time and effort is put into jojo's since the way they detail things is.... just wow
I would actually disagree with broly going unconscious. I think this would just push him to go fullpower super saiyan making goku and vegeta to teleport to piccolo and the fight with broly and gogeta would be the same except shorter.
@Prime Gaming how was he wrong. Broly subconsciously restricted his own power and the more you push him the angrier he got which got rid of said restrictions. So unless Vegeta could 1-shot Broly which is unlikely because Ikari Broly was equal to Blue Goku, and SSJ being 50X stronger than Blue kaiokenX20 giving him access to Full Power SSJ which is far more than 100X Blue. Gogeta was equal to Blue Goku meaning it was basically Blue Goku stacked by Blue Goku in terms of power. So if FP SSJ Broly wasn’t able to even touch Blue Gogeta but was to strong for Gogeta to even question SSJG it’s safe to assume that Broly was far more than a simple 100X Blue Goku at that moment. So for the split second Broly was outmatched for he basically unlocks FP SSJ. The only change from the original would be Frieza actually dies fairly quickly and Whis effortlessly dodges for just a little while longer. I just find it weird how Broly unlocks his power but Salad constantly claims someone who isn’t massively stronger than full power Broly knocks him out. Like Carthu gets a pass with GOD Goku because that version was stronger than current Manga UI Goku who is already in a different realm than Broly.
Nah I think this would kill Broly tbh. In the movie blue kaioken and blue evolution was not even used. Ssj Broly is only like 40-50x stronger than blue goku, so kaioken x 100 out of both goku in vegeta should kill him, as I don’t think he would have enough time to adapt and transform to Fssj. Keep in mind this goku and vegeta would be stronger than the one from canon as well.
@@plazmasix6694 in the what if they used it for x100, I’m not talking about the canon x20. That’s the max that we know of because it’s never gone higher it’s never been confirmed. Regardless he has it at x100 against Broly which is more than enough to kill a ssj Broly, especially since both of them are x100. Heck x40 from both of them could honestly kill Broly in ssj.
@@jadonrahman not really as broly and Super Saiyan should be able to contend with base to Super Saiyan gogeta and no, a kaioken x100 would not be enough. Even so all that they would be doing is pushing broly to his full powered State and that would just lead them to turning into gogeta anyway.
Great video Salad. I never even thought about there being a Vegeta Black from Vegeta getting Kaioken. Such a butterfly effect. Do you think you could do what if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga? I think that would really change the timeline even if it’s only a mini what-if.
This actually makes sense after the beating that Goku did to him after the Saiyan Saga. He would say "Ok you cheated and won, congrats! . . . BUT I CAN DO BETTER!!!!"
what if goku reborn as goten what if majin vegeta killed buu what if gohan had yusuke type personality from yuyu hakusho what if cooler raised goku what if super happen after gt
@@rachitsrivastav Ssbe equals Ssb kaiokenx20 so combining mastered ssbe plus kaioken x20 equals ssb kaioken x 400 so he’d have trouble with him and add zenkais to that
What if heros and vilalns swaped morals What if king piccilo turned good What if vegeta was good early What if chi chi was a demon What if bulma was a tuffel What if all the sayians where raised on earth in diffrent places What if yamcha was secretly a sayian (His sayian name could be yama) What if vegeta was a girl What if lord slug turned good What if janemba turned good What if vegeta never turned good ever What if tapion was canon What if hirudegarn turn good What if andriod 13 turned good What if gero mad the andriod to help the world/was good What if gero waited to complete cell till after buu saga or super What if goku married bulma/chichi married vegeta What if videl or chichi were sayians/half sayians
Vegeta, in a very matter of fact tone, says one thing Vegeta: "Kaioken" Vegeta Black: "Kaio-what?" *Vegeta Black then proceeded to get decked in the schnoz*
Hey imagine if they had wished that anyone who enters the time chamber becomes immortal they can train for thousands of years and when the leave the chamber they become mortal again
My only "major" gripe with this (and it's really not major at all) is that all this scenario does is replace Goku's wins with Vegeta's wins. Honestly? Not a BAD more, but there's no particular reason why they HAD to more that way. So honestly, not really anything to say. I will say though that I would NOT push Kaioken past a 20 times multiplier (personally). Honestly, I KNOW that there's no reason it CAN'T go higher, BUT there's also no evidence in-canon that it can. (Sure there's that moment in the Lord Slug Movie, and there might be something in some of the games, but nothing pure stock canon.) As for what I'd "like" to see, is maybe something like a slightly delayed, and extended Namek Arc. Something where Frieza does NOT immediately hear about the Dragonballs, Vegeta's spaceship is damaged, and so he stays and trains with them here. The scenario would be something like this... During the initial conversation of Raditz with Piccolo and Goku, they don't mention the Dragonballs, but Raditz mentions that IF Goku proved his worth as a Saiyan warrior by killing him, Vegeta and Nappa would be coming to collect him instead, as they still needed help. Scouter gets damaged, or removed to protect it from damage, and they fight, Raditz dies, no communications, Saiyans on the way. Goku still dies and learns Kaioken, and everything else progresses as normal, but now Vegeta and Nappa actually TALK with the Z team a bit. They explain that while they personally love fighting, they don't really care to squish weak opponents, but instead prefer to fight strong guys. So what Frieza has them doing by going around the various planets and just killing the locals, isn't really what they want to do. They still have their orders, and they can't disobey Frieza, or they'll be dog-meat, so while it's kinda distasteful, they're still gonna have to kidnap Kakarot, and Gohan, and take over the planet as per ordered. After which, MOST of the fight still goes the same. MAYBE Vegeta kills Nappa, or maybe Nappa just barely survives the blast, either way, that's your choice. Assume Piccolo still dies, meaning Namek is required. Goku still uses Kaioken to beat Vegeta though. Which peaks Vegeta's interest. This is a power that might be able to level the playing field against Frieza. He mentions Frieza's empire, and the powerful enemies in the Universe that stand far above him, which only heightens Goku's drive to defeat Vegeta, as now he has other villains to worry about afterwards. Vegeta's ship is damaged during the fracas, and so he can't leave to get healed. Instead, he gets medical treatment similar to Goku, but mentions that "healing pods" exist, and that there is information about them in the data banks of his ship. Bulma is able to replicate the technology pretty quickly, along with gravity training, and so BEFORE the Sensu beans are fully grown again, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and any surviving Z-Warriors, are all very close to 100G's. Goku and Vegeta specifically would have gotten a LOT of zenkai's and learned many techniques from one another, and after several Zenkai's , and heavy-gravity training, Goku would have caught up to Vegeta's base, all while Goku is trying to teach Vegeta the Kaioken. Training-Arc ensues, Vegeta and Goku train against one another repeatedly, getting Zenkai's thanks to the healing pod, and even Gohan is able to catch up, being trained by both Vegeta, and Goku. Any surviving humans are hard-pressed to keep up with the intensity of the work-out, but as Goku was teaching Kaioken, they woulda caught on too, and so would have achieved a comparable level of power eventually. The new space-ship is built, WAY bigger than any of the regular Capsule Corp ships, more like Frieza's ship, with parts from the Namekian vessel, and Vegeta and Nappas pods, and also some Capsule Corp tech. They still end up going to Namek, but it would be a VERY different story without Frieza destroying the place, and so I imagine it would be mostly smooth sailing, making three wishes to wish back Piccolo, Chaiotzu, and Tien. (Possibly Yamcha with the Earth balls later, if he died?). And it should be pretty smooth sailing... With the short caveat that they all get their powers unlocked by Guru, as they're off to try and save the Galaxy from an evil Tyrant. Even Vegeta, as Guru has no evidence that Vegeta's change of heart isn't real. We might instead use the third wish to bring Piccolo to Namek, and use the Earth balls to wish both Tien and Yamcha back, as they hadn't been brought back via the Dragonballs yet. In that case, Piccolo would be able to get HIS powers unlocked too via Guru, and would spend some time with his Namekian people training. Also Piccolo could join in with Kaioken and gravity training, so he'd actually be pretty much on par with the Saiyans, or even higher! (Likely higher once he masters Kaioken). Then they bring the fight to Frieza and King Cold, at which point they'd all be a lot stronger than they WERE back on Earth, but honestly? Not a MASSIVE amount stronger than they were in the original series, but instead they'd have a REASON for the massive stupid gains than the writers of Dragonball included during the Namek Arc. Even though they wouldn't be MASSIVELY overpowered in comparison, Goku would be only roughly equivalent to where he was during the fight with Frieza, and Vegeta and Piccolo would both be equal, or better than that (While using Kaioken). Gohan would be way behind, but rage-boosts would equal the ground if needed, so he's on mostly equal footing. Piccolo would have the best technique, followed by Goku, but Vegeta's intelligence would make him a pretty formidable opponent too. The humans would be lagging behind by this time, but I don't think it'd be ANYWHERE like how far behind they were in the original story! From there, I'd probably explore the Galaxy a bit to try and track down Frieza, introduce the Machine-Mutants, maybe go grab Tarble, POSSIBLY find things like Vampa or Yardrat, the sky's the limit! Eventually getting to Frieza, LIKELY activating Super-Saiyan, (not mandatory, but likely) although that might only be when they fight King Cold, or Cooler? Captain Ginyu would be an interesting fight, as you get another Goku vs Vegeta showdown, but it's FAR more even... In all, the scenario could be REALLY interesting!
Idk, I think including Z would have been better. During Namek we can have him literally just experiment to copy Kaioken the same way he just sort of naturally picked up energy sensing. I know that Kaioken is more complicated, but it would make the Namek saga a hell of a lot different.
You could have used Perfected Super Saiyan Blue with the Aura of Blue compatible with Kaioken technique all mix within the body as long as the aura is within the body Kaioken will be mixed with that hidden aura. Making Perfected SSB Kaioken.
Imagine Vegitto vs Fused Zamasu Vegitto: turns SSJ blue KK x100 Zamasu: You think this can defeat me morta- Zamasus speech is stoped as his whole upper body is destroyed by Vegittos final kamehameha
Since we doing things like MHA, how about JoJo. Like, what if Goku. I'm not fan boying Goku. But let's say Frieza was so mad at the Saiyans, he used so much power to blast Goku's pod in a different anime. Weird but I hope it works.
Check out the manga Goku and vegeta Mastered Super Saiyan Blue in the Goku black arc, and they wouldn’t need kaioken because Goku in Mastered Super saiyan blue was equal to Fused Zamasu
Once he starts learning techniques and not trying to be more powerful but be a better fighter better with his energy then I could see Goku suggesting the abilities training to get KO Ken has given him and his body every time he's ever almost killed himself is giving him you know multipliers drums and caboose we says it would be helpful to a point with Vegeta it's good for training but most battles it probably wouldn't be useful so Vegeta thinks about it and learns to koken but mostly for training a little boost here and there and we says the best thing to do is use it in a final attack which would mean the kochem would get perfected which means there's a new thing and eventually somebody tells them there's a new form of ko Ken instead of being red it's a different color so it could like reset multipliers and until you perfect KO Ken you can't use the next stage of koken there's just it's just not feasible because your body is going to be torn apart if it isn't ready okay is good for training because it has the ability to boost your you know body cuz you're saying and he's like oh maybe that's why kakarot seems to pass me so much his body has more multipliers I also think they need to do a final battle with a choose a deserted planet and Goku and Vegeta truly fight to see who the winner is getting weast to agree that it's to the death and we agrees to bring back from the dead Goku makes a stipulation from the fact that he would have been there before to allow him to stay there for one month after death that's the agreement the loser has to stay in the afterlife for one month you know Goku would be the one to no matter what when because Vegeta would just be punished weese starts to wonder about Vegeta's punishment meaning he probably would consider going to talk to King Yama about having a sentence reduced in hell meaning but you is a fighter even if he doesn't go to the heaven battles maybe there's something in between he can go to some place where he can fight as just a plain warrior not officially getting into heaven but given the opportunity Vegeta would just fight the afterlife I truly think this would work
Salad: first trunks then goku now him... everyone gets to kill frieza... awesome... Frieza; GODDAMIT I AM IN HELL FOR THE THIRD TIME!!!! Trunks goku and vegeta: Three times the charm buddy Frieza: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
He would stomp goku if him and goku are “even” but goku needs to go x20 power to fight him and vegetta can’t how is that even? It would massively change a lot if vegetta could have x20 power .
Vegeta Limit Breaker Kaioken X20 >>MUI Goku. Nevermind a possible Vegeta AND Goku Limit Breaker Kaioken X20. I get the feeling he'd get Limit Breaker ("Blue Evolution") during the Moro arc during his Yardrat Training, and experiment with combining both Kaioken and Limit Breaker together with Forced Spirit Fission to completely overpower Moro. Not even eating Seven-Three would change things here.
What if Goku was born with Ultra Instinct, God Ki, Destroyer Ki, Omni Ki, Angel Ki, the Legendary Super Saiyan and was sent to Zeno's Palace? Don't take this seriously lol
Only problem i see, is there being a broly. If goku and frieza never teamed up vs jiren n knocking him out, whis would never revive frieza he would go back to hell. Meaning paragus n broly r never found they stay on vampa forever.
Basically Goku and Vegeta are stronger in this. Also I don't know Kaio-Ken more then 20 seems iffy to me. What if min suggestion: What if Gohan used Kaio-Ken? (Mainly with his Ultimate Form.)
I know this is a mini for fun, but...time100? cmon. There's only so much training could do, if your body is at it's limit. Why train for UI if you can train in time chamber for decades to be in SuperSaiyanBlueKaioken100000x
I love the idea. My only critique would be that learning Kaioken would alter from Vegeta's archetype. Goku's power set is amalgamation of multiple Masters. Every time he progressed Vegeta on the other hand made a way for himself.
Vegeta doesn't need an opportunity to learn Kaioken in Z. It wouldn't have been unfeasible for Vegeta to have simply picked it up watching Goku do it when they fought the first time.
I can´t help but facepalm every time i see kaioken above 20 times on what ifs... There´s no canon evidence it´s possible. And if was, Goku had more than enough time discover it.
Actually no. I wasn't a fan of the fact that both Goku and vegeta were having the same kind of power. I was so glad that in the TOP arc vegeta uses blue evolution and goku kaioken . That was so good. Also in Moro arc they are going separate paths.. That's what the series needs.. Not more super sayyan blue kaioken. Also I don't see vegeta getting UI in the near future.., because one needs a clear mind for that but vegeta is filled with pride and such. Goku is far different. During the fight he would only see the fight and the opponent. Also if it does needs to occur, then some great external factor should be there to help break vegeta's limits. So am not a fan of UI bargain sale. Or blue kaioken bargain sale for that matter..
Blue evolution should be like the kaioken the evolution form able to do what the kaioken does but for every from like super saiyan evolution super saiyan 3 evolution like that
