I love your videos Steve! This video and yours are making it a tough decision between glow forge and the muse 3d. With being able to buy the glowforge used for $4,000 I don’t think I can justify the muse for my first laser
@@Cornhead55 The Glowforge is a fine laser too, though you need to appreciate that you will outgrow it fairly quickly if you want to step beyond the basics.
This was terrific! I would love to watch a walk through of cutting each material on the list. There's a big difference in settings and workflow of cutting something like 1/4-inch acrylic verses 1/8-inch wood and having an idea of the work process would be SO nice! Just a suggestion if you have time / if it's cost effective. Thanks again!
I have had my Muse 3D for about eight months now. As a machine and a piece of hardware I agree with your review: this is an outstanding machine that looks great, is well designed and solidly built and cuts and engraves extremely well. As with any complex device, you will encounter difficulties with various things (such as alignment and belt adjustment), but their customer service has been outstanding and such issues are totally normal with any laser. My issue with the Muse is the software that runs it: re3. In my hands, this is a horrible piece of software that is slow, non-intuitive, confusing, constantly freezes my laptop, and is so frustrating to use that I may in fact sell my Muse because of the constant battles I have had with the software. I consider myself proficient with software and have used numerous programs, but at every turn, I have found difficulties with re3. Interestingly, re3 looks very similar to Lightburn, but Lightburn is extremely well designed, intuitive, and is an absolute joy to use. It just has a polished "feel" and ease of use that re3 totally lacks. In my opinion, re3 is a high school software project while Lightburn is sleek, professional and easy. If only re3 were as well "built" as the Muse itself this would be an awesome combination. One thing I have learned , and one should consider when buying a laser, is that when you purchase a proprietary device such as the Muse or the Glowforge for example, (I don't know anything about the Dremel) you are totally dependent on the software and interface supplied by the respective companies. For example, if Glowforge should fold as a company, your laser would be completely useless as it runs only via the company internet. Although the Muse would not suffer a similar fate as the re3 software is on the machine, if you like re3, great, but if you don't, you are stuck. So basically, by going with a proprietary machine you are exchanging the convenience of a "plug and play" device (obviously a great advantage) but totally giving up any flexibility or controlof the machine to the respective company. I sincerely hope FS Laser comes out with a useful re3 update soon.
I am as green as you get with this does that mean you can’t use lightburn and then send it over to the muse? Again sorry if this is a dumb question I am having a hard time learning anything on the r3 and find lightburn has a lot of info to get me started TIA
supermandt I was wondering about. I looked in the BBB at Full Spectrum and the have people receiving damaged goods and Full Spectrum not wanting to honor warranty. How was your experience?
@@epicetches4155 Hi Epic, I saw some bad reviews too, but I took a chance. The glow forge was cheaper, but I hated the fact that the glowforge software was on the web. The FS Laser software is on the machine itself and it is amazing. Called RE3 and its a pleasure to work with and as soon as I send the job, the laser starts cutting/engraving. I do not have to press the GLOW button to start! Also, the tech support, I fill out online and I get answers the same day! Also, there were a few screws that were loose and I filled out the contact form and they priority mailed them to me. All is good so far, been a month for me now. If you need any more info, please fill out my contact form at www.props88.com The tech support to me is the biggest plus for me. I bought the 45 watt laser. When i start making some more money I am going to purchase the 100watt!!
Wish I could say I'm a fan. Bought a Muse Titan clearly no QA process at Full Spectrum prior to shipping....gantry was even missing several screws and customer service after the sale....good luck! Such a shame for the price they charge right now it's a very expensive and very large paper weight.
I truly enjoyed this video- Im still undecided on either the GF or MUSE 3D, only reason GF is because they offer the discount code and free shipping. But thanks for the videos!
I am looking into engraving brass dies for a wax seal stamp. I understand that I need a fiber laser. Is that true, and what would be an entry level for a hobbyist? Thanks
Thank you for your concise and to the point practical presentations which are so valuable in choosing a “no unpleasant surprises” laser cutter/engraver. Getting a well informed cost - benefit trade off perspective is so useful 👍🏻😁
Cast acrylic works much better for the edge lit sign stuff than the standard acrylic. It gets that bright frosted etch vs. the more transparent etch on the regular acrylic.
If and when the laser, touchscreen, etc. go, does the whole unit have to be mailed back like with the Glowforge, or is it something that the owner can do? I heard you said that yours had an upgraded laser; did you swap it out or did you buy it that way? What is the maintenance involve; how hard is it to clean and maintain? I am not tech savvy and worry about things breaking down...
Hi, Great Video. one thing I am wondering about is overheads, I see the tube is about $400 for the 450W, just a ball park figure, what is the life of the tube in hours. The other thing is the software, How much do Muse charge for upgrades.
Hi there! Amazing video!!! Do you know of a laser machine that can actually cut longer material like the glowforge can. I like this laser, but 12x20 isn't that big. I like how the glowforge can feed the material through and make a longer cut. Such as wedding signs etc. Thanks so much!
Do you recommend this over the aeon Mira 7 ? Im able to get the M7 for only $2,000 more, but I’m still not sure because of the different shipment dates
I'm looking for the same thing. Did you ever find one that will do slides and receivers? I think the 40/45W lasers will do stippling on polymer lowers/grip modules just fine but i would also like to do engraving.
Did they send it to you to review and return or to review and keep? If it is to review and keep...you are 100% sponsored my friend. If not...more power to you.
Had to watch before I decided on the Makeblock xTool, I would rather buy American but it just seems to have better functionality, software OS and more for less. Trying to figure out how to etch mugs on the rotator though. I know you have a Makeblock because you did a review on it, can you give some advice.
I just received mine and trying to get it all set up. Test the laser. But I realized. On the right side. In the machine itself. There is a bracket. With screws and if my laser head is on the side it won't budge. I am trying to figure out if that is normal or not. It's right near and under the screen.
For less money, you'd have gotten AEON laser with much better hardware and running customised RUIDA interface. The entire linear motion hardware are also in enclosed chambers.
Just did a big post reviewing them all www.makeorbreakshop.com/laser. Long story short Glowforge is a little easier to use and get going quick. The 2D Muse version is about the same price and their software runs without internet which Glowforge doesn’t.
@@makeorbreakshop are there contacts to be able to learn how to use one? I was interested in buying one but I need it to be able to do metal. What did you need in order to do that?
Thank you for the review, but honestly what is the point making simple projects with this over some thing cheaper like you can effort to pay less than $2000. I would like to see impressive project to convince me to buy a machine like this otherwise engraving small woods, leather, stone etc. small machine can do that too.
The off gassing from laser engraving is a serious health risk and kind of my biggest worry. Everywhere I've read, just piping it out the window is no different than pumping it into the room since you're not filtering through a carbon filter. What are your experiences / knowledgebase on that topic?
It really depends on what you're cutting. For most wood you'll just have a burn't wood smell, but for certain types of acrylic (not cast) then the smell is pretty awful. I'm in a garage so I have the garage door open AND have it venting out a window. I also have a portable carbon filter air purifier that I'll run if I really need it, but I haven't had too much of an issue.
@@riogrande3305 Also didn't mean that to come off sassy at all! I actually really like Glowforge, just the terms can get confusing if your new to using a laser!
@@makeorbreakshop nah its cool. I'm looking at new ways to expand my business and the Glowforge caught my attention bc of the Ads. But as I look more into it, with the way everything has to work thru there system and internet and basically have to buy pretreated materials from them I think I might come out better with the muse 3d. Plus they have the rotary station and the bottom can be removed for bigger projects. Just trying to do thorough research b4 buying. As for the laser engraving, I didnt know it's basically the same as 3D printing. When they say things like that it confused me so thanks for letting me know
Hello, have you tried engraving any cylindrical items? I see that you can buy a rotary attachment but how does it work?...The machine isn't deep enough. Also, do you know if it will engrave "Yeti" type material cups?
When you buy the rotary attachment, you buy the rotary and riser system which is a box that matches the original laser and rises the machine up for all your cylindrical items.
that laser is expensive and is it really worth it so over a k40? I cannot see why I would buy this and not one off the others lasers to be honest, is it really that much better?
Really depends on your situation. It's kind of like buying a beater car that your plan to fix up versus a BMW. For a full breakdown of laser options check out www.makeorbreakshop.com/laser
@@makeorbreakshop just bought a laser from Amazon of all places as it was cheaper than getting one one those K40's to my door.. I get your point and now I have done some more research of my own its not a bad machine for that price, just wish it was maybe 24"x24" working area and then it would be perfect Those bigger 50w like you have are so expensive to get delivered to my house that for now I have given up with them,.. I buy BMW's to do up as I am a mechanic :)
Hi there! can you tell me what kind of air exhaust / fan you use? Is it one from FSLaser? I'm debating between the Muse 3D and a Glowforge, do you know if I could use the AC Infinity 6 fan (same fan that many Glowforge users use)? I'm not sure which fan to pick if I go with the Muse. Thanks!
@Make or Break Shop I also would like to know about this. I would assume the internal fan in the Muse is as noisy as the Glowforge which makes a hair dryer sound like a desk fan.
Great review. I'm debating btw Mira 7, Thunderlaser Nova 24 or the Muse. There's a $3k difference form the Muse Core (no camera) ...do you recommend having the camera? Thanks for any help.
True, although with most things nothing really is... I guess a better way to say it is that Full Spectrum is an American company. The big thing I was getting at is that if you have problems you won't have to go through a language barrier to get it fixed.
Man, your narrative is exhausting! I’m really interested in what your thoughts on the product are but your delivery is a hundred miles an hour and difficult to keep up with. It doesn’t help that you seem to edit out any pauses with the result that the presentation is relentless. I stood it for two minutes before giving up. Please... stop to draw breath every now and again! You’re clearly knowledgeable and thorough in your subject but it counts for nothing if your audience can’t assimilate the information. I’m not trolling you as I genuinely want to hear your views. I’ll try again later!
20 in is the max on the width but this is a work around. The muse line doesn't have a pass through but they let you remove the bottom. So you can actually place the laser on top of a larger piece of material.
