@@AndrewRusherLDS there is absolutely no evidence they did, the use of a proper name for God, as if there are others from whom he needs to be distinguished, disappeared in Judaism hundreds of years before Christ, why would the Christians revive it?
@@AndrewRusherLDSthe early Christians all used the Septuagint, not the hebrew Bible. This is evidenced by how almost every time the gospel quotes the old testament it’s taken verbatim from the Septuagint. The Septuagint always replaces the Tetragrammaton with Kyrios. They never used His name because it’s disrespectful
@@Michael-bk5nz The Jews viewed God's name as so holy that they didn't want to dishonor God by misusing it or saying it wrong so they stopped saying God's name but God's name remained, some Christians don't follow this custom such as Yahweh's Pioneers.
I was part of the Sacred Name cult years ago. There were MANY heresies and misinformation and led many away from Christ. By Gods grace I got out of there...
Hank Hill: "Excuse me, ya'll with that weird christian denomination?" Assemblies of Yahweh: "We don't identify with the rest of what you know as "Christianity", we're the True Worshipers of-" Hank Hill: "Yea this is it."
this is so absurd to demand people to use the Hebrew term for Lord , at the time of Jesus in his ministry there would have been the Greek Septuagint and the Aramaic targums which would have used other names based on translation like Kyrios for the greek which is what the new testament writers used. we can approach God in any language
@@AndrewRusherLDS yes but also because there are places were greek would have been spoken by the people in the scripture like john 12 but i was referring to the greek Septuagint which is the greek translation of the old testament
Were true names required by God he would have passed it down clearly in his 10 commandments, likely as part of the first. If Jesus required it his disciples would have all been speaking this crucial bit of information every time they spoke of what was required for salvation.
Get outta here with your reading comprehension skills. No true follower of God would allow himself to be swayed by small and stupid stumbling blocks like "what Jesus actually said" and "common sense" :p
Growing up in a conservative souther Baptist church a lot of Hislop's theories flote around, but i had never heard the name. Its an area where a lot are just ignorant to where the info came from.
Another really interesting and very cool video from the Ready To Harvest channel. Thank You Mr.Lindsey for another amazing video. I'm always learning from you. You're very well spoken and I trust your videos.
Hi Ready to Harvest. I would have liked to credit you and know your name for a well put together video. Mostly, it seems to be very accurate. I can seldom fault it and it has really pleased me that you have done your research in to this faith, without condemning it, or adding any bias to the video. May Yahweh bless you. I'm a member of the Assemblies of Yahweh and have been affiliated with this incredible faith all my life. It thrills me to know that you are one of very few people who have objectively covered the Assemblies of Yahweh in a very informative video. I'm going to deal with some of these negative remarks in this comment section, but thought I'd just compliment yourself and say that the video was well put together and you clearly put in a lot of effort. May Yahweh receive all the glory.
Thank you, I'm glad to hear your evaluation of the video. I strive for completely accurate represention of everyone I discuss on this channel. My name is Joshua. Glad to have you as a viewer!
I'm curious why the "Mission Statement" page refers to "70 C.E." rather than "70 A.D."? "Current Era" is a phrase used by people we'd both agree want to ignore Jesus / Yashua and diminish his influence.
0:35 What is this, a crossover episode? I love that someone fractures into their own denomination because they're super bothered by the concept of transliteration. Do they do that for Biblical figures who aren't Jesus?
I keep running into people who insist on using the Yeshua/Yehoshua irl. What gets me is that these people are often the most historically, theologically, and linguistically illiterate people you will ever meet and yet act like they’ve obtained some kind of esoteric knowledge that has been repressed. Like, if God can’t tell I’m referring to him because I used the wrong word, then he’s not really omniscient is he? It’s effectively treating the name as magic word or an incantation, rather than recognizing the name is just a referential signifier, which again seems like a petty limitation on a supposedly infinite being. And if you follow their logic to its natural conclusions, you always end up at a point that resembles some weird kind of neo-Gnosticism or just plain old Nestorianism because they end up treating The human aspect of Jesus the Human person and Christ the Divine person as separate entities.
The transliterations I think are the closest to the Hebrew based on extensive conversations with native Hebrew speakers are, Yehoshua translated Joshua in English and for the tetragrammaton Yehovah or Yehowah. But the idea that anyone not using the sacred names as understood by these groups aren't saved from the lake of fire is an eronius teaching. I have had more than one encounter with such people and it's never turned out well. Full disclosure I am fairly good at reading Biblical Hebrew.
yep and the new testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew. Q: Did Jesus take the Kingdom of God from the Jews? A: Matthew 21:43 - Therefore say I (Jesus speaking to the Jews) unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Why the new testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
Yes. many, but not all, Hebrew Roots groups have their history in these beliefs whether they know it or not. There are Hebrew roots groups that hold to pronouncing the sacred name and others that do not.
I drive past the YahWehs Assemble in Messiah billboard on my way to and from work. I always wondered what they were and what they believed. I always just assumed they were Messianic Jews. Very informative.
I know immediately not to take a church very seriously if they get stuck on an issue of God's name. He has over 30 names in scripture, never rejects to any of them, including the ones pagans gave him. If the scripture does not make an issue of it, I don't either.
I agree. We should be able to call God whatever we want. We should blow off what the Bible says about the importance of words and names. Besides, it's 2024. No one takes the Bible literally.
To me, the craziest thing is their denial that the New Testament was written in Greek, by the first century, Hebrew was similar to Latin today, used for prayers and studied to be able to read the scriptures but dead as a language of day to day activities, writing the New Testament in Hebrew would practically guarantee no one could read it
@@timlocke3159 except the Church Fathers, the disciples of The Apostles. In their writings, it is clear that the people who knew the people who knew Jesus personally were Trinitarian
As a Catholic, I wonder how the Protestant churches would react to the claims the AoY makes about the ecumenical movement. I doubt any of them are enthusiastic at the prospect of joining with Rome, and certainly nearly all of them would vehemently oppose any claim of such. On our end, anyway, though the amount of ecumenical dialogue we’ve participated in has increased over the last sixty years, our traditions and customs are distinct enough from most Protestants that many of our own are probably hesitant about full Christian unity, as that would probably require numerous concessions on our end at this present time.
I would say Confessional Lutherans are in a similar boat. We strive for unity, but there are many customs that are so different, and doctrinal issues we draw a hard line on, that we'd either have to stop caring about, or they would have to adopt.
I mean, if it came down between the Vatican and these guys, it's an easy choice. But I see *harmony* with Rome (working together where doctrinal stances permit) as the end goal, not necessarily ecclesiastical unity. Full communion is probably not possible unless the Vatican backs down on what one has to believe about the nature of the Eucharist (even to the point of allowing the Lutheran view).
We can, I think have fellowship without sacrificing our distinct interpretations. We can acknowledge our differences, but focus on areas of agreement. It's likely happening on the individual level, but there will always be people who will not.
I occasionally drive past what looks like their headquarters on Interstate 78 in eastern Pennsylvania (Bethel). They have huge radio antennas erected on the north side of the interstate, I guess that's how they broadcast.
There was a church building near where I grew up. It looked like an old fashoned warehouse with a broadcast antenna. Didn't know what it was but assumed it was a cut.
"Men are not to be clean-shaven or even trim their beards." I always enjoy knowing each group's most obscure rule on why I'm going to Hell. I'm waiting for one to say glasses show a lack of faith in God's design or something.
The First Century Gospel Church based out of Philadelphia believe that only faith healing should be used to treat ailments, including not using corrective glasses. Two of their members were convicted of manslaughter for letting their child die of a treatable illness.
Ancient Hebrew wouldn't have pronounced the name anything like Yahweh. The w and y sounds may not have even been sounds in the language, and were influenced by Yiddish and Coptic in modern Hebrew. Likewise, the name would probably have either been four consonants and four vowels, or four consonants and three vowels. That makes Jehovah closer, but still off, because the J sound was also likely not in ancient Hebrew. The assumption that Coptic hasn't changed significantly in 2000 years is silly. The name probably sounded nothing like anyone speculates, which is why it's annoying when some Christians make a big deal out of saying Yahweh.
the linguistic consensus is that y & w were the original sounds & j & v are later pronunciations influenced by sound shifts in european languages, you can see this when you look at the arabic, a close living relative of biblical hebrew, Ijob (Job) becomes Ayyoub, & Havah (Eve) becomes Hawwa
I’ve always preferred professor Yitzchak Friedman’s answer in his 2011 monograph of Yahūwah. IPA transcription being [jahu:wah] or perhaps [jɑhu:wɑh] based on what we’d expect from Proto-Semitic. Obviously with a fully pronounced h coda, which is something most language cultures on Earth can’t produce, and is only retained from PS by a very small amount of Semitic language speakers. But really something has always bugged me about this whole debate: Moses wouldn’t’ve spoken Hebrew. He would’ve spoken Egyptian. So why try to get a Hebrew-realized YHWH instead of an Ancient Egyptian one? It seems silly to me.
The 2000-year plus wisdom of Jewish tradition in this matter is evident: The Tetragrammaton is not pronounced as written, and the name A-donai, meaning Lord or Master (a name which God is often called in the Hebrew Bible), is substituted. This is where the Greek "Kurios," "Lord," found in the LXX and the NT is derived from.
@@jeremias-serus What makes you think that Moses also wouldn't have known Hebrew? Don't forget that he spent the first 2-3 years of his life raised by his own mother. Besides this, presumably he would have had a royal education and may have learned the language of the slave population to better rule them. And then, failing all that, there is the more theological possibility that God transformed his speech....But I'm not sure I even understand your basic premise-why does the native language Moses spoke change what God reveals to Moses in Hebrew about His own name?
@@jeremias-serusMoses would have spoken Hebrew, unless if you believe that the Pentateuch was originally written in Egyptian and later translated to Hebrew what you’re saying doesn’t make much sense.
As an ethic Jew, born into the Reform Movement, i found this denomination fascinating. In some ways i sympathize with their tenets and beliefs, in others ways i do not. I am interested in non-Trinitarian Christianity and also in Sabbath-Keeping Christians who use a Lunar calendar.
@@majafleur9646 Without this quality content, one would assume they were copies or splinter groups. The parallels are just too eerie to wonder if they have some connection at all.
Thanks for the great summary. Poll: Is a cult? 1. Faiths are suspect when they dismiss other faiths and come up with such drastic 'doctrine' and rules. 2. If all of this is true, I ask God just to snuff out my soul. I don't want to be around. 3. A loving God would not ignore 99.99999% of his greatest creation.
Sounds a lot like LDS Restoration theology, including the "Elohim" bit. Those who profess the Jewish faith would NEVER utter the sacred Name of Ya--eh.
I'm surprised you got to the Sacred Name Movement. I've studied them and have been perplexed by them. Keep up the good work and hope that one day you can get to the other Mormon groups that refused to go along with Brigham Young after the death of Joseph Smith. They are a interesting group.
I remember falling into a rabbit hole and discovering a website about a similar denomination to this one. The difference was that instead of a seventh day Sabbath, they kept a 'lunar Sabbath'. I think they also rejected Paul's teachings and never used words of 'pagan origin' like the months of the year. Could you cover it in a future video?
I have "saints,angels,demons,agents" who persist in touching me and getting on my back. Who is taught about "touch"? I have asked repeatedly that they stop with the touching and attempted entrapment. HELP!
I do have a couple videos on this topic. The Worldwide Church of God changed their beliefs and their name. They are now known as Grace Communion International. Video on them here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ouY-Z03PEt4.html If you want to know what they looked like before they changed, I have a video on the United Church of God, which split from them to maintain the original teachings: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4VTn23b43I4.html
Interesting but a this group need to read and study hebrews and galatians. Once again we have here a judaizer and arian groups. That's very bad and that's not the gospel like Jesus teach us.
@@astutik8909 a Jew by ethnicity yes Romans 1:3//Romans 9:5 but a judaizer I don't think so because he says that's God want worship in truth and spirit and he came to give his live to a random and for a new alliance, so he brokes the mosaic testament
@@hanshandinineko4201 how did he break it, if he was still preaching it? He commanded the disciples to follow all the pharisees told them, but warned, they say, but they do not do.
8:34 "Clearly we are not born again when we are baptized and receive the Holy Spirit as a gift into our hearts. We are born from above at the resurrection of the dead" Oh wow, I thought that as a kid on my own that being born again refers to the resurrection, didn't think anyone else came to the same conclusion. I don't beleive that anymore but this is interesting nonetheless that the thought wasn't original
A mixture of Judaism, Arianism, and conspiracy theories. The pacifism part might be the result of Meyer's Anabaptist background. I have driven by this cult's headquarters many times on Interstate 78 near Bethel, Pennsylvania.
SO cool I found this. I was raised in this religion. Under Elder Meyer l. I’m an atheist but that’s neat you’re covering the AOY. Definitely don’t agree with this group or any other religion. But like I said still cool to see you give a break down of this group.
Don't tell these people that Jesus and the people that he associated with spoke Aramaic and not Hebrew, and so no one would have referred to him as "Yeshua". Instead, they would have referred to him as "Isho". Also, we don't know that it was pronounced "Yahweh" all we have are the four consonants.
Yeah but I imagine they never consulted the major groups of Christianity that use/used aramaic because they’re usually either Catholic or Orthodox aligned.
Did the police in Acts ask Paul if he spoke Aramaic! No, he asked if Paul spoke HEBREW. Paul addressed the synagogue in Hebrew, the language of the Jews. Where do you get the false notion that Jesus spoke Aramaic? A few Aramaic words found their way into the Hebrew language, but that’s pretty normal in adjacent cultures.
@@Bobbychildree Paul was a pharisee originally, hence why it could be expected he would know some Hebrew. Most Jews of the time would have spoken Aramaic in day to day matters, with Hebrew largely being relegated for religious and scholarly work. Hellenised Jews would have spoken Greek. What language do you think Jesus was crying out in Mark and Matthew? Aramaic had been imposed generations before the time of Jesus. The entire reason why Targum - aramaic translations of the Hebrew Bible and portions thereof - is because lots of Jews had started speaking Aramaic thanks to the Babylonian exile. Hebrew would be unintelligible to them the same way most English speaking Catholic laymen would find Latin to be unknown. And as a side note the Maronite Church retains the use of aramaic in its liturgy, especially for the consecration of the eucharist.
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Another example of people who are willing to have their ears tickled. People are easily led astray. The Bible foretold this would happen more in the last days.
Another case of a Catholic/Orthodox not being able to defend their blatant idolatry, so they point to wackier cults than themselves and say, "All protestants are like this, you better join us if you don't want to be like THEM." I'm really sick of it. I am an Independent Fundamentalist BAPTIST. I am not a part of any other group besides my local church. I do not answer for somebody else's heresy or error. I am responsible before God for the doctrine I endorse AND THAT'S IT.
This is why I'm not Protestant (dismiss the importance of baptism and the Lord's Supper) and I'm not Catholic (a bunch of extra ordinances prescribed by men and not God's Word). I'm a Christian only, no book but the Bible, and no head of His church but Christ.
Herbert Armstrong taught many of the same doctrines as the Assemblies of Yahweh. For example, he claimed Jesus was not crucified on a cross but a single stake. A the time I thought he took that belief from the Jehovah Witnesses. Fortunately I left the Armstrong group in 1971.
Biblically Sunday isn't the Sabbath so unless something fell on Sunday to make it a sabbath, they would consider it to be a non-sabbath day. An interesting fact is that while most Christians believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, they have no problem working or causing others to work which are Sabbath breaking.
I’ve always wondered what these groups would say the Sabbath is for countries that have their weeks start on Monday and end on Sunday. In France for example, the first day of the week is Monday and the last day is Sunday. Calendars in France all have Mondays on the far left and Sundays on the far right. I’be always wondered if they would still celebrate Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday…
@@McGheeBentle The Bible would be followed so it would still be Friday evening to Saturday evening or Saturday if you follow the midnight to midnight system.
I am (ethnically) Jewish, and in my studies, Jews NEVER say the name of God, they use an indirect way of referring to God, usually A'-Doh- nai. It is considered so holy there are about 100 names to indirectly refer to God, and only use Adonai in prayer.
The church followed with this practice. Nobody ever called Him by the Tetragrammaton until after the reformation, because ancient tradition held that you weren’t supposed to do that
There are over 100 names to use instead. Even in writing it is almost always to written as yy( in Hebrew) it is too holy to spell the indirect name. Anyone in who says otherwise is just making it up!
A Devout Client of Mary Shall Never Suffer the Loss of His Soul There was a certain man who was religious in name only, but, wherever true religion was concerned, hard-hearted and careless. He was, however, in the habit of praying to the Blessed Virgin and saying once everyday a hundred “Hail, Mary’s.” Coming near his end, he was caught away in an ecstasy, and devils charged him before the Great Judge seeking a sentence that would adjudge him to be theirs. God, therefore, knowing his manifold sins, said that he must be condemned. Meantime the Blessed Virgin came offering schedules in which were contained all the “Hail Mary’s,” and begging her Son to allow him to receive a milder sentence. But the devils brought many books full of his sins. ‘The books on both sides were put into the scales, but the sins weighed most. Then the Blessed Virgin, seeing She was doing no good, earnestly besought her Son, saying: “Remember, Beloved, that Thou didst receive of my substance, visible, tangible and sensible substance; give to me one drop of Thy blood shed for sinners in Thy passion.” And he replied: “It is impossible to deny thee anything. Yet know that one drop of my blood weighs heavier than all the sins of the whole world. Receive therefore thy request.” Receiving it, She placed it in the scales, and all those sins of the religious weighed against it as light as ashes.‘Then the devils departed in confusion, crying out and saying: “The Lady is too merciful to Christians; we fail as often as She comes to contend with us.” And so the man’s spirit returned to his body, and on recovery he related the whole tale and became a true monk. Taken From The Glories of Mary By Saint Alphonsus Liguori
When I read the first sentence in the mission statement, I had to roll my eyes. I heard the same patter from the Churches of Christ/Restoration Movement, which I grew up in. It's fun to take a step back and compare and contrast.
It's downright EVIL to promote the idea that God designed his universe in such a way that hundreds of millions of people are condemned simply because they didn't happen to have a chance to know a particular name or set of events.
The name translated "James" in English is the name "Jacob" in Hebrew, so many Sacred Names groups and some Messianics also will call the book of James the Book of Jacob. (Tree of Life Bible Version does this too)
Simply put, there's no justification for the pronunciation "Yahshua" (Yehoshua or Yeshua or even Yeshu are possible for the original biblical name and later developments of that name-but not "Yahshua"). Besides this, AOY are an example of syncretism run amok! Either become Jews or submit to the historical Christian rejection of (most of) the commandments God revealed to Israel.
They aren’t Protestant. Protestants are the denominations that developed during the Protestant reformation. Oh look! Another comment from someone online who has no clue what they’re talking about, imagine that.
why turn yourself into another cult when the Lord Jesus said it was not by his name that we are saved, but by the fact that he would take our sin into his body and become like a serpent on the cross. John 3:14-15 If we believe this we have eternal life, not if we believe in a Jewish name, which by the way the man who wrote most of the New Testament was a Jewish Rabbi who refused to use this Jewish name that this cult is over emphasizing. .
🙄 SMH Cults are too easy to refute. "Discernment is not a matter of simply telling the difference between right and wrong; rather it is telling the difference between right and almost right." C.H. Spurgeon Do a video on the EXTRA-biblical labels dividing the 66 books into "Old Testament" and "New Testament."
