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What is Calvinism? What are the five points of Calvinism and are they biblical? -Podcast Episode 187 

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Why is Calvinism such a controversial theology? Is Calvinism biblical? What are some of the implications of Calvinistic theology? Which, if any, of the five points of Calvinism are biblical?
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What is Calvinism? - www.gotquestions.org/calvinis...
Calvinism vs. Arminianism - which view is correct? - www.gotquestions.org/Calvinis...
What is Amyraldism / Four-Point Calvinism? - www.gotquestions.org/Amyraldi...
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@dannyhendricks3030
@dannyhendricks3030 7 месяцев назад
I heard a quote ,I think it was C.S. Lewis not sure though, "I passed by a building once with a sign over the door which read "All who will enter here may do so freely." As I entered the door and turned around I saw another sign which read "All who entered here were elected to do so." My pastor says regardless of which way you believe with this debate it doesn't affect how you tell people about Christ.
@katefree9539
@katefree9539 7 месяцев назад
I don't care who gave opinions before me. I don't identify with theologians or reformers. I care about what I read in the Bible, I pray for wisdom and discernment and everything that I don't immediately feel confident about; I take it back to the Bible and prayer. God is the ultimate for questions and understanding. 😊
@pamelas1002
@pamelas1002 7 месяцев назад
Amen!
@jimlarson7022
@jimlarson7022 6 месяцев назад
Agreed, I have run into a few that define theology as being able to say whatever they want. Really turned my sour on theology. I have run into people that may or may not disagree with me on what the Bible says, but are willing to go to the Bible and talk about it. That's where I learn. Doing Ministry and seeing God do His thing is the best, but Biblical discussion is necessary too.
@katefree9539
@katefree9539 6 месяцев назад
@@jimlarson7022 I couldn't agree more ❤️🙏❤️
@ToOpen6seven
@ToOpen6seven 6 месяцев назад
Amen and Amen! ❤
@Imrepenting
@Imrepenting 7 месяцев назад
Why call yourselves Calvinist after a man named John Calvin? Why not just call yourselves Christians after the man Christ Jesus?
@fruitsnacks155
@fruitsnacks155 7 месяцев назад
it’s the same principle as denominations. so under the banner christian, you may be baptist. but just because you would say you’re baptist doesn’t mean you’re not at the forefront, a christian.
@onlyimagine4
@onlyimagine4 7 месяцев назад
@@fruitsnacks155 ​​⁠Not totally true for all. I’m a Christian and under that “banner” I call myself a Born Again, Bible believing follower of Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:3. Why do you need to assign a denomination? Jesus didn’t.
@user-cc1rc1gr3k
@user-cc1rc1gr3k 7 месяцев назад
God chooses some,or none would be saved. Many are called-few chosen.
@perttisuorsa4678
@perttisuorsa4678 Месяц назад
That can not be correct. He could have regenerated all of us so that no one would have to go to hell. I do not accept the teaching that because of Adam's fall we all deserve to go to hell. I am not responsible for something that two of my ancestors did ages ago.
@gummylens5465
@gummylens5465 7 месяцев назад
"How did you come to be a Christian? I sought the Lord. But how did you come to seek the Lord? The truth flashed across my mind in a moment-I should not have sought Him unless there had been some previous influence in my mind to make me seek Him. I prayed, thought I, but then I asked myself, How came I to pray? I was induced to pray by reading the Scriptures. How came I to read the Scriptures? I did read them, but what led me to do so? Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith." - Charles H. Spurgeon Faith is a gift (Eph 2:8-10), not "your own doing," so that "no one may boast." Former Armenian here.
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 7 месяцев назад
Free will was granted to mankind since the beginning. Adam and Eve were given a choice when it came to eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Their choice has landed us where we are today, in a fractured world, replete with sin and darkness. God now gives everyone a choice to receive redemption and eternal life through the sacrifice of His Son. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” (John 3:16-17) - Jesus It’s the fact that God did not send Jesus into the world to condemn the world, but rather to save it, unequivocally shows that He does not decide to send most people to hell. That would make him a liar, according to verse 17. And we know that God is not a man that He should lie. (Numbers 23:19)
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
@@Gloriagal78 Here is the thing. By freewill, we will make the same choice Adam and Eve made every single time. By default, we will reject/refuse God's free gift. Are you saying you are better than Adam and Eve when it comes to decision making? We did not chose God because we are smarter. God chose us and we should be thankful for His unconditional love and grace.
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 7 месяцев назад
@@bluemarble2458 Of course, I’m not better than Adam and Eve. You know as well as I do that sin came into the world through the first Adam, and redemption through the Second Adam, Jesus Christ, therefore, rendering every single person that’s ever lived - with the exception of Christ, of course - to be under the curse. of sin. I also know that God promised a Messiah to give us a holy, righteous, and sinless spiritual bloodline through the finished work of the cross. However, this is not automatically imputed to only a certain few, but to anyone who receives this free gift of salvation. “But as many as RECEIVED Him, to them He gave their right to become children of God, to those who BELIEVE in His name.” (John 1:12) Adam and Eve still had a choice. They could’ve chosen not to eat from that tree, but they did Now we have a choice to eat from the Tree of life (the Cross) and partake in eternal life. It would be dismayingly cruel of God to make such an incredible offer to us, yet prevent most people from receiving it. That’s not the God I see in the Bible, though apparently, many people have no problem with seeing Him that way. How very sad.
@clare2106
@clare2106 6 месяцев назад
@@Gloriagal78 Beautiful explanation! Thank you! Helped me a lot. Praise God. 😊
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 6 месяцев назад
@@clare2106 Praise God indeed! I’m so glad that helped you, dear sister. Thank you for letting me know…❤️
@DearBoi-mg2fb
@DearBoi-mg2fb 7 месяцев назад
All of these isms! Just Jesus for me!
@ToOpen6seven
@ToOpen6seven 6 месяцев назад
Me too!! ❤
@sporadicfaneurysm
@sporadicfaneurysm 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for doing this series.. Appreciate it much..
@katfrench5003
@katfrench5003 7 месяцев назад
I do know if not for John Calvin's teaching I would not be here. My family name is DuPree and my ancestors from France who refused to convert to catholicism followed John Calvin's teachings. The catholic king issued a letter that if you refuse to convert you had to leave France or die. My ancestors left France for England. From there they came to the British colonies in the late 17th century. There were 3 brothers of which one was my 7th great grandfather. They were known as Huguenot. I get to combine my love for the Bible and Bible history with world history and my American history.
@davevandervelde4799
@davevandervelde4799 6 месяцев назад
Hi, that is a great story. I love and have studied church history including the Huguenots. It is very interesting and is part of Gods plan for our lives. I'd love to hear more if you know more.
@WayneFocus
@WayneFocus 7 месяцев назад
The Bible states very clearly in multiple places, God chooses those who believe. When the jailer asked Paul what should I do to saved, Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
@DL-xq1bv
@DL-xq1bv 7 месяцев назад
The problem with most self described Calvinists is pride and arrogance. It reminds me of Paul's criticism of puffed up intellectuals. Whether you are a 5, 4, 3 point Calvinist matters not to me but arrogance is anathema to church health.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 6 месяцев назад
I am so glad Jesus made Paul such and excellent example of repentance from pride to make it easier for me to follow. What is your story of repentance from pride?
@jenniferhall4880
@jenniferhall4880 6 месяцев назад
How is election arrogant? You're missing the point. It's humbling to thing that Almighty God chose you. It makes you feel that you better do a good job in this life because He entrusted responsibilities into you.
@NeoMoses
@NeoMoses 7 месяцев назад
I’m just non denomination I’m tired of these groups
@gummylens5465
@gummylens5465 7 месяцев назад
Reposting this: "How did you come to be a Christian? I sought the Lord. But how did you come to seek the Lord? The truth flashed across my mind in a moment-I should not have sought Him unless there had been some previous influence in my mind to make me seek Him. I prayed, thought I, but then I asked myself, How came I to pray? I was induced to pray by reading the Scriptures. How came I to read the Scriptures? I did read them, but what led me to do so? Then, in a moment, I saw that God was at the bottom of it all, and that He was the Author of my faith." - Charles H. Spurgeon Faith is a gift (Eph 2:8-10), not "your own doing," so that "no one may boast." Hope that encourages you, brother. Former Armenian here.
@allbetsRoff60
@allbetsRoff60 6 месяцев назад
When I hear people discussing the tenets of Calvinism and Armenianism it reminds me of the sectarianism spoken of in 1 Corinthians 1:10-17. It is unfortunate that we as believers must be identified by human leaders and not by Christ, Calvin didn't develop the doctrine of election, God created grace, and God further extended grace through His Son’s death, burial, and resurrection for us, not Luther, not Calvin, and neither Zwingli. The doctrine of election was in the mind of God before the creation of all things. I believe we need to leave the pettiness of choosing who is the best leader who carries the best doctrines of biblical truths or who is the best commentator. God’s Spirit is the best commentator because the Spirit knows the mind of God, He is the one we are to follow, the fact of the matter is none of these men can give us eternal life. I am so grateful to God for taking the pride out of me in saying; ‘I am a Calvinist.’ God showed me in His Word that was prideful and petty. Isaiah 2:11 We must never forget who is our leader and King, the Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone!
@ampmallari
@ampmallari 7 месяцев назад
I was just about to do research on this and you made it easier
@LifeLessonsofGodofficial
@LifeLessonsofGodofficial 7 месяцев назад
*Wishing God's blessings of joy and serenity for everyone watching this video. Can't wait to see your names for prayers! 🌟🙏❤🌟🙏❤🌟🙏❤🌟🙏❤🌟🙏❤🌟🙏❤*
@jeffhughey2666
@jeffhughey2666 6 месяцев назад
I do not hear anything new here.....same old arguments that have been going on since Calvin. I wonder why the podcast panel feels its so important to "straddle the fence" The question of the week was, What is Calvanism? What are the five points of Calvanism and are they biblical? Just answer these questions honestly and let the Bible speak for itself. Personal opinions only water down this issue down and add fuel to the fire of the argument.
@sheryl2411
@sheryl2411 6 месяцев назад
What is the point of life with calvinism ??
@stacyclark5910
@stacyclark5910 6 месяцев назад
While this issue is important to your theological perspective, seemingly lately there has been a TON of anti-Calvinist propaganda, slander, name-calling, even bullying, in my RU-vid feed. I have viewed some of these videos & am so put off by the slander, name-calling, condescension, etc… WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM! WE ARE ALL MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! PLEASE SHOW ONE ANOTHER THE RESPECT, LOVE & KINDNESS OF A SISTER OR BROTHER!
@stacyclark5910
@stacyclark5910 6 месяцев назад
BTW, I have viewed your video answers to biblical ideas or questions for years. I have never seen an answer that wasn’t thoroughly documented by scripture or proper hermeneutic. You/y’all have done a terrific job of staying true to the scripture & answering every question with not conjecture, emotions or feelings, but with studied biblical truth! Thanks!
@edwardmattox6617
@edwardmattox6617 7 месяцев назад
It's by Grace , Eph 2:8-9. Jhn 14:6, Jhn 8:32. Peace to all and know Jesus loves you ❤️.
@clare2106
@clare2106 6 месяцев назад
@gummylens5465
@gummylens5465 7 месяцев назад
When I was an Armenian, i wanted to believe that I had some part to contribute to my salvation, but this was pride. I didnt know that our "free will" is corrupt due to our slavery to our sin nature 😈 (Rom. 6:20, John 8:34). Until Christ removes the scales from our 👁 eyes (Acts 9:18-19) and regenerates us ("making us born again"/making us alive in Him), giving a new nature, we do not love Him. We were His enemies (Rom. 5:10), even. No man naturally accepts the things of God (1 Cor. 2:14). No man naturally seeks for God nor understands Him (Rom. 3:11). If youve opened your heart to Jesus' knocking at all, it was His mercy. He implants a new heart of flesh in you and removes your heart of stone (Ezek. 36:26). The whole Bible is "Calvinist," if you want to use that word. Jesus is a "Calvinist," if by that, you mean that He claims it is all God's work: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." (JOHN 6:44) We didnt choose to be born. Did we help in that? If you want to say that you peeked your head out, but it was actually our mom who did all the work. Same thing with being born again. It's not rocket science. Jesus did all the labor. We reap the benefits.
@billkingsley6769
@billkingsley6769 6 месяцев назад
I'm just curious...what do you mean by sin nature?
@shelley6690
@shelley6690 7 месяцев назад
1 Corinthians 1:11-13 Paul implores us to follow Christ. Whatever our understanding, desire unity over the non-negotiables not the negotiables. Please don’t be a spiritual bully.
@gummylens5465
@gummylens5465 7 месяцев назад
God's electing love is one of the greatest ways in which He loves us. We shouldn't stay silent about the fact that God authors and perfects our faith (Heb. 12:2, Eph. 2:8-10). He doesn't choose people based on future performance or obedience. We were dead (Eph. 2:1). He gave us new hearts (Ezek. 36:26) when we wanted nothing to do with Him (Rom. 3:11). All the obedience we do is enabled by His work in us, not our own (Ezek. 36:27). I pray that it encourages you.
@the1der
@the1der 7 месяцев назад
As RC Sproul said, "Reformed Theology is another name for BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY."
@LoveLove-sz9fr
@LoveLove-sz9fr 7 месяцев назад
No it’s unbiblical
@gracenmercy579
@gracenmercy579 7 месяцев назад
Yes it is
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 7 месяцев назад
That’s just his opinion
@ToOpen6seven
@ToOpen6seven 6 месяцев назад
LIES!!
@iceman4660
@iceman4660 6 месяцев назад
As I recall Calvin isn't the source of the TULIP idea. That came from the person who followed him as head/leader.
@billmarshall268
@billmarshall268 6 месяцев назад
Before the beginning God always had a perfect plan. He knew, by the way, he created the universe. Who was gonna choose him and who was not.
@KevinEDF
@KevinEDF 7 месяцев назад
Faith is not a work or a good deed that earns salvation. Paul labors this point in Romans. We can't boast because it's through faith not works. If God requires our faith to access his salvation this isn't earning our salvation. If our faith earned our salvation then Christ didn't need to die, our faith would save us. If all can believe then it isn't a special thing we can boast about. Cannot God sovereignty chose to give us choice? Didn't he do this for Adam and eve?
@onlyimagine4
@onlyimagine4 7 месяцев назад
I think associating your ministry with any “ism” is a slippery slope. Your focus should be on answering questions from Jesus’ point of view and He was not an Armenian, Calvinist, Catholic or Methodist, etc. God calls us to repentance and “wants none to perish.”We answer His call and are thus saved OR we reject His call and are thus NOT saved. We are born again or we are not born again. John 3:3 Don’t muddy the Gospel. This can trigger people into thinking your ministry has been affected by the End Times apostasy. “We are to called share the Gospel according to the scriptures.” It’s about searching the scriptures and adopting Jesus’ view, not Calvin’s nor Martin Luther’s nor C.S. Lewis nor Got Questions view for that matter. It’s all about Gods’ view. And His view is found in the pages of scripture whereby the Holy Spirit “will guide us into all the Truth.” That Truth is the Bible - or Bibleism - if you need an ‘ism.’
@RG-vt9qs
@RG-vt9qs 7 месяцев назад
For those interested, Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers is a great resource for an opposing view that isn't Arminian. :)
@LambsGrace
@LambsGrace 7 месяцев назад
Dr. Leighton Flowers is an Arminian.
@davevandervelde4799
@davevandervelde4799 6 месяцев назад
James White is the one people need to listen to, at least he can exegete a text.
@LambsGrace
@LambsGrace 6 месяцев назад
@@davevandervelde4799 Agreed. I’m currently reading his book The Potter’s Freedom. I found it online at the Internet Archive. ✝️🙏
@danielwarton5343
@danielwarton5343 6 месяцев назад
Appeal to people’s free will? isnt man’s will blind in sin and never free?
@gummylens5465
@gummylens5465 7 месяцев назад
We make it a rocket science 🚀 because we don't like the idea of God being sovereign over our will. But Christ died to save His people, not just to make us "saveable." ❤ Jesus did not keep Judas, but had him perish (John 17:12). But the elect He will never lose: 📕 John 10:28 "and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand." Also, Christ made it clear that He told parables to keep certain people from believing: 📕 Mark 4:11-12 "And He was saying to them, 'To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that while seeing, they may see and not perceive, and while hearing, they may hear and not understand, otherwise they might return and be forgiven.'" God chose specific people as His elect to show that it doesn't "depend on man. . . but on Gods mercy" (Rom. 9:16): 📕 1 Corinthians 1:27 "but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong," God turns our hearts wherever He wishes (Prov. 21:1). Make no mistake about it.
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
Agreed. We have 2 betrayers here: Peter and Judas. Did Peter save himself out by his own "freewill" after the betrayal? Nope. According to Luke 22:31-34, Peter has Jesus Christ to thank for. Christ prayed for him, because he is the elect and God never lose His people. 100% credit goes to God. What about Judas? According to Matthew 26:23-25, Christ did not pray for Judas like He did for Peter. And we see how it ended for Judas.
@paulbaran4796
@paulbaran4796 7 месяцев назад
@@bluemarble2458I don’t believe Peter ever denied who Christ was, but denied knowing Him. Peter was saved. In the upper room, Christ only washed Peter’s feet, stating the rest of him was already clean. That’s a picture, I believe, of sanctification.
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 7 месяцев назад
The Bible teaches there are sheep and goats , scripture clearly teaches that Jesus lays down his life for the sheep . Nowhere in scripture does Jesus lay down his life for the goats . In the end there will be a separation. The died for ALL is referring for all the sheep in whom the Father has given him before time began.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 7 месяцев назад
@@Terrylb285 What keeps me from going for that is all judgment was handed over to Jesus by the Father; dying for everyone would justify that.
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 7 месяцев назад
@@deanfry879 He was given all authority but Don’t forget he was also given all authority over the rebellious heavenly host (fallen angels) He did not die for them either but through his life death and resurrection he was given authority over them as well and will cast them to the lake of fire along with the goats .
@RickyXArt
@RickyXArt 6 месяцев назад
Here is the issue that I have with Calvinism… Where did Jesus or the Apostles or The Bible refer to Calvin or Calvinism…??? ANSWER: It Didn’t. Instead of following a man or a teaching… Once saved we are sealed with the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher. I have the Word of God that is more than enough, and I have the Holy Spirit who leads me, guides me, and teaches me. Yes some of what Calvin said are Biblical. But instead of looking to Calvin, I am going to read the Word of God and pray and ask the Holy Spirit to show me. The scripture is 100% inspired by God and 100% correct and 100% complete. So why does one need to look to another man’s interpretation of the Scripture when we have the Holy Spirit. And I question anyone who looks to a man to interpret the Scriptures instead of searching the scriptures for oneself and then asking the Holy Spirit for guidance. I think this video doesn’t help bring people to a Saving Grace knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, but instead sews confusion. And the Bible tells us confusion comes from the Devil. Time Is short. The Bible Is very clear. I do not put myself into a camp or group, I look to Jesus and the Holy Spirit of the Almighty God to show me. I am lead by the Spirit of my Lord and Savior who is my Helper and Teacher… I do not look to a man.
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 7 месяцев назад
Jesus says I lay down my my life for the sheep, John 10:18 . The Bible teaches there are sheep and goats . Nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus laid down his life for goats . In the end he will separate the sheep from the goats . Matt 25:31-46. To the sheep he says enter into the kingdom, to the goats , to the eternal fire . Jesus died for all ,it is speaking of all whom the Father has given Him before time began.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 7 месяцев назад
If Jesus did not die for everyone, then on what basis did the Father hand all judgment over to Him?
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 7 месяцев назад
@@deanfry879 he didn’t die for the rebellious sons of God (angels)either ,but was also given authority over them to judge them as well , this is a two fold battle in the heavens and on earth
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 7 месяцев назад
@@Terrylb285 And what did Jesus do to win from the Father the authority to do all that judging?
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 7 месяцев назад
@@deanfry879 he didn’t win anything it was given to him , He was given authority over those whom he died for and those whom he didn’t die for .
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 6 месяцев назад
@@Terrylb285 I see I made an unfortunate choice of words in my previous comment.
@philiph.5113
@philiph.5113 7 месяцев назад
I believe Christ died for ALL not just some chosen few.
@Romans_Twelve_Two
@Romans_Twelve_Two 7 месяцев назад
If He died for ALL, who will be going to hell? The Bible makes it clear that there is a broad path that leads straight to hell, and many are on it.
@philiph.5113
@philiph.5113 7 месяцев назад
@@Romans_Twelve_Two He died for all but not all will accept the gift that was given on the cross. Those that reject this gift, reject Christ. Therefore they will spend an eternity in hell. You should know this, I believe John MacArthur even teaches this. Certainly Charles Lawson and Charles Stanley teach this.
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
@@philiph.5113 So His love is now conditional? Accept the gift = saved. Reject the gift = condemned?
@philiph.5113
@philiph.5113 7 месяцев назад
@@bluemarble2458 Absolutely and if you can't handle that, take it up with God.
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
@@philiph.5113 So if a brother or sister sins against me, I do not need to forgive him or her unless he or she asks me for forgiveness. Correct? I am leaning toward the "elect". So I do not need to worry about "rejecting the gift". Because all the elect will accept the gift by default (unconditional), because we hear our Shephard's voice. Because of this, we need to forgive our brothers or sisters many times regardless they ask for forgiveness or not (consistent with Christ's teaching in Matthew 18).
@toconnor6811
@toconnor6811 7 месяцев назад
Can someone please help me understand this serious question about Calvinism? Can someone from GotQuestions please address this? In Calvinism they believe that people are predestined for heaven and chosen. Do they also believe that God has created others (not chsen for heaven) and chose for those people to go to hell? If so, then how do you define Him as a loving God who wishes for none to perish as scripture states? I truly am seeking someone's perspective on this, some clarity.
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
Misunderstanding. This is my opinion. God does not pick who goes to heaven and and who goes to hell. He picks who comes to heaven. Big difference. We were all initially made to live with God. But by our own doing, we were all separated from God the moment Adam and Eve sinned. From then we were ALL (including both you and me) destined to hell. He could have ended everything. Because we deserve it. But He did not. Out of His unconditional love, He chose to preserve us by electing some to be rescued from the eternal damnation. Do you still see God as unloving? Let me put it this way. 100 people goes to a lake. There is a warning saying don't use this boat. Everyone ignores the warning and uses the boat. The boat sinks in the middle of the lake and all those people are drowning. A rescuer comes in, does his job and randomly saves 50 people. Do you complain to the rescuer that he or she was unloving? because other 50 are drown? Whether God chooses 1, 10, 100, 1000, or 100000000000000000000 elects, it is His sovereign right to choose. By our own doing, we were all destined to hell to begin with.
@gotquestions
@gotquestions 7 месяцев назад
Here is an article that addresses the issue you are asking about: www.gotquestions.org/double-predestination.html
@toconnor6811
@toconnor6811 7 месяцев назад
@@bluemarble2458 thank you very much for responding and for your explanation. It's very helpful. I was going to counter with saying that a man has limitations in how many he can save where God can save everyone If he chooses. But thinking about what you said more deeply it helps me remember that God has foreknowledge about all of us. And he has foreknowledge of those who will repent and those who won't even when given the chance. So the ones that repent are the chosen or elect. Does that align with your thoughts?
@toconnor6811
@toconnor6811 7 месяцев назад
@@gotquestions thank you very much for your quick response. It was very, very helpful! I truly appreciate it. I read through it carefully and I humbly wonder if the last sentence of your article would be better if it was stated that God chose those people because he had the foreknowledge that they would repent. Whereas those destined for hell he had the foreknowledge would not repent. Does that align with your beliefs?
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
@@toconnor6811 Glad the explanation was helpful. I am more in line with God unconditionally choosing anyone He wishes without foreknowledge. So this is where we differ. I have not seen any convincing evidence from the bible that God chooses His children based on the foreknowledge. But many verses I encounter appears to suggest unconditional election. So I am going to stick with that. God is my Creator and I am His creature. So who am I to lecture God what is fair and what is love. I am just thankful He chose me, saved me, loves me, protects me, and can't wait to see Him soon. What is the right answer? We will know when we are in heaven. By sticking with Jesus Christ, the bible, and the gospel, you and I should be fine. I desire to learn more about God and I believe healthy debate is one way. But hurling insults at others who disagrees is just wrong (not saying you are doing it). God bless you brother or sister.
@haroldstahlman1615
@haroldstahlman1615 6 месяцев назад
Ezekiel 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
@TLC26
@TLC26 7 месяцев назад
No not Biblical. All means All
@bluemarble2458
@bluemarble2458 7 месяцев назад
Freewill vs Elect. I don't believe this is a salvation issue as long as a person put his/her trust and faith in Jesus Christ. We will know the answer when we are in heaven. For the debate right now, I am leaning towards elect. I believe in "saved by grace". I don't deserve it, but God saved me. 100% credit goes to God for my salvation. If I go with freewill, then I have something to boast about my salvation (that I made the right choice). So this sounds like "saved by work" to me.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 6 месяцев назад
You may find Genesis 50:20 interesting. It suggests freewill and election are both fully in play. While I think there is merit in considering freewill, I do not believe it is an absolute freewill. If it were, I would not need money. We may have freewill to make choices in the heart, but carrying them out is maybe, and many times not.
@jenniferhall4880
@jenniferhall4880 6 месяцев назад
I'm not a Calvinist but you have to purposely deny and purposely ignore the fact that God does all the choosing in both Old Testament and New. God sought after. We didn't. I've heard it said "well thats not fair that some don't get chosen". Well, if it was based on fairness, no one would go to heaven because we all deserve hell. I've also heard it said that to believe you're chosen is arrogant. No. It's not. It's humbling. He chose you so you better to the work He's called you to do and take it seriously! Personally, I'm so grateful. The reason some have a problem with predestination and election is they don't want to give themselves fully over to God. They want to have some power, some control still. They want 2 gods. The God of the Bible and themselves
@Terrylb285
@Terrylb285 6 месяцев назад
God choosing some and not others is all throughout scripture. God Chose one Man and one woman to represent the entire human race .God chose one man ,Noah and his family .God chose only Abram and his wife over the entire world population. God chose Isaac over Ishmael. God chose Jacob over Esau . God chose Joseph.God chose Israel over all other nations .God chose Moses . Gods chose to Passover only those who had the blood of the lamb on there door.God chose David. God chose Jonah. Jesus chose 12 disciples,he could have easily chose more ,Jesus chose to heal some and not heal some. In John 6 the father only chooses some to give to the son . Jesus said you did not choose me but I chose you.
@sheryl2411
@sheryl2411 6 месяцев назад
I have no understanding of calvinism . It makes no sense to me and I have never heard a simple explanation of it from a calvinist .
@Storytime2023x
@Storytime2023x 6 месяцев назад
Calvinism is wrong and we all need to call it out.
@kurtn652
@kurtn652 6 месяцев назад
Calvinism. It is simply what the bible says.
@elijahmorris9864
@elijahmorris9864 2 месяца назад
What are your objections to Calvinism? 1. It is not Biblical 2. God is not an unjust, terrible, horrible, monster.
@lindsaysimplified
@lindsaysimplified 27 дней назад
You have to throw out human responsibility with Calvinism. God is determining everything, even your sin and all evil and then blaming you for it. Also, you cannot be mad a pagan for being a pagan because under Calvinism that’s what he was predestined to be - he has no other choice. So when Jesus said he loved the rich young ruler, he didn’t really mean it, because the rich young ruler was actually a reprobate predestined to damnation from the foundations of the world. It’s extremely hard to be a consistent Calvinist and preach the gospel.
@KevinEDF
@KevinEDF 7 месяцев назад
Either God chose who will believe or he doesn't. If he does chose then he also chooses to condemn those who God created with no ability to repent. The same repentance that God commands through all of Scripture and God then also is angry that they don't and tells them if only they would. There are good and I would argue better interpretations of the few proof texts Calvinism uses that doesn't make God out to be duplicitous. Ephesians 1, who is predestined to what? "Faithful in Christ" are determined ahead of time to be adopted and made holy and blameless. How did they get in Christ? Vs 13 having heard gospel and then believed. If Calvinism seems to mar the character of God you see all throughout Scripture, understand there are better explanations. Soteriology101 is a good place to start. Romans 9 and Ephesians 1 are not only interpreted 1 way.
@BrockJamesStory
@BrockJamesStory 6 месяцев назад
Here’s the thing thats fine if God chooses who he saves but if he does do that and there’s no human free will in the matter then don’t waste time preaching the gospel to the “unsaved” technically there is no unsaved people if that was true, just spend time exhorting the already “saved”
@barrypeters315
@barrypeters315 6 месяцев назад
The Foreknowledge of God And here is where we get into the weeds. Here is when some of the more in-your-face holders of the Calvinist doctrine will come out of the woodwork and call me a heretic, one who is irredeemably reprobate, and one whose doctrine is evermore erroneous to the utmost. Why would they do such a thing? Because I dare use the word ‘foreknowledge’ rather than ‘predestination’ and I dare say as Peter did that we are elect according to the foreknowledge of God, and not the predestination of God. 1st Peter 1:2 We are elect not because of some arbitrary preference, not because God chose a handful out of every generation to save and sentence all others to eternal darkness, but because He foreknew those who would obtain salvation through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. God doesn’t just say, ‘you I like, so no matter what you do, you’re golden. You will make it to heaven even if I have to drag you there, and no matter how much you resist, it’s still going to happen.’ By the same token He does not say, ‘you I don’t like, so no matter how penitent, how righteous, how faithful, how true you strive to be, or in fact are, the doors are closed, and there’s no way you’re getting in. No matter how much you pray, you weep, you repent, you beg or you plead, the answer is still no.’ This is no small thing. We are not splitting hairs. This is not one of those issues where we can agree to disagree, and I will tell you why. If God operated on predestination rather than foreknowledge, one would be in the right to wonder until their final breath if they were on the special list, or if they suffered and died in vain only to discover that they didn’t make the cut, they didn’t get drafted, and all that remains is eternal darkness. If God did not operate based on foreknowledge, then not one of those who lived and died for the name Jesus would have that blessed assurance that their death and sacrifice was not in vain, but rather that the inheritance was waiting for them beyond the veil. What if I suffer and it turns out I wasn’t chosen? What if I suffer and it turns out I wasn’t predestined? What if I go through the most horrendous of torture and loss, only to be told that my name didn’t show up anywhere on the guest list and so, away with me? We can be intellectually dishonest at this juncture and start putting up the straw men we so lovingly tend to, such as ‘no one that isn’t truly saved would ever suffer like that’, but the guys who walk into crowded market places and detonate themselves aren’t saved, yet they make the ultimate sacrifice for a lie all the same. So that argument falls by the wayside, that straw man burns in the flames of truth. Men suffer every day for imaginings of their own making, and the empty promises of dead or inexistent gods. It is in God’s foreknowledge that we are able to greatly rejoice in our tribulations, because it is according to His foreknowledge that we are elect. So what is the difference between foreknowledge and predestination? The best way I can describe it, is that foreknowledge is someone knowing both where you will be and how you will get there many years from now based on your own choices, while predestination is someone knowing where you will be and how you will get there many years from now because they will have forced you to keep to a certain route whether or not you wanted to, chose to, or desired to. Predestination is a false unbiblical teaching.. And God having foreknowledge om·nis·cience the state of knowing everything. Is Biblical. God knows if you see yourself a sinner in need of Jesus as your Savior and if you see His sacrificial death the shedding of His blood, dying in your place for your sins and that you truly love Him and His Truth and Trust in Him. Believing that He died, was buried, and rose from the dead. That He is alive and since He lives we the true believer will live! Jesus died for me and I will live for Him obeying His Word loving His people telling the lost about this great plan of salvation. Paul’s inspired words tell it well: “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15‬ And in Romans: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-13‬ Now I hope this will help one to understand how important to heed to the inspired warning from Peter... “Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” ‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:10-11‬ ‭ One more important note...one should investigate why wherefore is therefore...
@paulbaran4796
@paulbaran4796 7 месяцев назад
I believe that both systems show that Christ is the only bridge between God and sinful human beings. Therefore, they’re not heretical teachings.
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 7 месяцев назад
They are when Calvinism puts a roadblock on that bridge to those who want to cross over to Christ.
@paulbaran4796
@paulbaran4796 7 месяцев назад
@@Gloriagal78 what are the road blocks?
@ToOpen6seven
@ToOpen6seven 6 месяцев назад
We make the gospel too hard, when if we just stick with the Holy Bible it is clear who can be saved or lost and it depends on believing and trusting God and what He sent His son to do on the cross. John 3:16 - 3:20 kjv 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. PERIOD, POINT BLANK!!
@hitension7
@hitension7 7 месяцев назад
By all means, Calvinism IS the Gospel! Because the Scriptures say so: "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins." - Eph 2:1 "The way of man is not in himself: that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps." - Jer 10:23 - The 1st point, Total Depravity of Men. "What if God, although choosing to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the objects of His wrath-prepared for destruction? What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the objects of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory?" - Rom 9:22-23 - The 2nd point, Unconditional Election and Reprobation "He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are His very own." - Titus 2:14 - The 3rd point, Limited Atonement (Christ died only for the elect) "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." - Ezekiel 36:26 "For God's gifts and His calling are irrevocable." - Rom 11:29 - The 4th point, Irresistible Grace "Being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." - Phil 1:6 - The 5th point, the Perseverance of the Saints
@dank2476
@dank2476 7 месяцев назад
There are 3 mysteries which will never be solved in our life time. 1. The Trinity of God. 2. The Divinity of Christ. and 3. Free-will vs Election.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 6 месяцев назад
Or even if "vs" is the right term. Genesis 50:20 suggests both are in play at the same time.
@dgale1023
@dgale1023 7 месяцев назад
Sorry folks I'm a bible believing Christian, you know the once saved always saved...God's grace is sufficient for me, no one will snatch them from my hand, yeah that kind of Christian.
@cece3194
@cece3194 6 месяцев назад
Calvinism is not taking responsibility for what Jesus taught and enabled us to do.
@exiazee2828
@exiazee2828 6 месяцев назад
Calvinists can't understand this one verse 1cor 15:22 ALL DIE ALL MADE ALIVE...
@JohnSmith-ir9wx
@JohnSmith-ir9wx 5 месяцев назад
Calvinism is heresy
@jensonho3968
@jensonho3968 7 месяцев назад
Is clavinism heresy ? Let me ask John calvin wait he is already dead 💀 now go and read your bible
@reyamami
@reyamami 6 месяцев назад
If Calvinism is the gospel, why it is not in the bible? It is a man-made gospel and not of God. Don't be fooled by the evil one.
@jayrocky9067
@jayrocky9067 2 дня назад
The Bible is both C and A…. If you know scripture.
@elizabeththompson6644
@elizabeththompson6644 7 месяцев назад
Hey Shea, so you believe in a God who gives you no choice about ANYTHING???
@gotquestions
@gotquestions 7 месяцев назад
No. That is not what Shea believes, that is not what GotQuestions.org teaches, and that is not actually what Calvinism teaches.
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 7 месяцев назад
See Genesis 50:20 and tell me if it is one or the other or if both are equally true.
@elizabeththompson6644
@elizabeththompson6644 7 месяцев назад
@@deanfry879 Joseph is telling his brothers that their evil deed was used for Good by God so that many would live because the Lord gave Joseph wisdom in preparation of what was to come. Unless this ? Wasn't meant for me, I don't see the analogy.
@Gloriagal78
@Gloriagal78 7 месяцев назад
@elizabeththompson Here’s something you might want to do when talking with Calvinists. Ask them if they can choose which one of their loved ones would go to heaven, and which ones would go to hell. Ask them if they’re capable of that. I guarantee you, that, if they’re honest, they will tell you that it would be impossible to make such a choice. Yet, they attribute that capability to God, Who is perfect love. Crazy, isn’t it?
@deanfry879
@deanfry879 7 месяцев назад
@@Gloriagal78 So what you are saying is something impossible for humans is also impossible for God.
@TempleofChristMinistries
@TempleofChristMinistries 7 месяцев назад
Paul said, who is Paul who is apollos nobody, it is the Christ and Christ alone, in the same way who is Calvin nobody, the moment you say you are a calvinist you already lack, how can you put the name of a man on a pedestal, Calvin is trying to interpret the word, I am better to say that I am a Pauline, because it is Calvin and everyone else who is trying to interpret the words of Paul, yet Paul is the author of his word which Calvin is trying to interpret, therefore calvinism does not exist, what exists is the truth, all truth comes from God he is The Giver of Truth, do not waste your time with Luther do not waste your time with Calvin do not waste your time with Augustine do not waste your time with Thomas Aquinas, they all lack they all fail to see the truth, you all preach error what shall I say, I exchange one error for another I still remain an error, it is written, they do not know what they are saying they are full of the spirit of error, you are not allowed to preach error when does the Holy Spirit preach error, you have heard it said, it does not matter if you preacher error what matters is that I have a relationship with Christ, yet, if I have a relationship with the Christ how then can I preach error.
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