ŚB 3.15.23 Translation It is very much regrettable that unfortunate people do not discuss the description of the Vaikuṇṭha planets but engage in topics which are unworthy to hear and which bewilder one’s intelligence. Those who give up the topics of Vaikuṇṭha and take to talk of the material world are thrown into the darkest region of ignorance.
narastvamasi durdharSha harirnArAyaNohyaham | lokAllokamimaM prAptau naranArAyaNAvRRiShI || 39|| Vaisampayana continued, 'Having addressed Krishna thus, the illustrious Pandava, who was the soul of Krishna, became dumb, when Janardana (in reply addressed that son of Pritha) saying, 'Thou art mine and I am thine, while all that is mine is thine also! He that hateth thee hateth me as well, and he that followeth thee followeth me! O thou irrepressible one, thou art Nara and I am Narayana or Hari. We are the Rishis Nara and Narayana born in the world of men for a special purpose. O Partha, thou art from me and I am from thee! O bull of the Bharata race, no one can understand the difference that is between us!' Here Krishna clearly said that he was Narayana or Hari.
@@harshilsingh8539 krishna said (We are the Rishi Nara and Narayana). The rishi Narayana among Nara and Narayana was himself Sriman Narayana and that Sriman Narayana in Dwapara yuga was named Krishna. He came on earth with his full power and potencies thats why we can see he was such a powerful, and mischievious. All the leelas of him, power in war and every gunas were so adorable because in that yuga he didn't hide his potencies like he did in Rama avatar. And every form of Hari is non other than Sriman Narayana whether it be Narsingha, Vamana or Varah or Sriniva Venkateshwara. It's like he just changes clothes but he doesn't change himself or his qualities, sometime his qualities may come out more some times less according to the situation. And there is no original or duplicate Vishnu. You should read Divhya Prabandham by the Alwars Vaishnavas from Sru Vaishnavism. ISKCON is highly monothiest and their theology is all interpolated and with no any proof or pramanas. Sri Vaishnavism is highly vedic and is authentic with proper logic but ISKCON it's so musleading and they are missioners nor dharmatas. I find christanity non different than them. Just the istha dev is Krishna. I and most of learned person hate them. They just brainwash others and they never can't conpete with Sri Vaishnavas. You should read Rami Sivan's post in Quora. Follow him
You are right. narastvamasi durdharSha harirnArAyaNohyaham | lokAllokamimaM prAptau naranArAyaNAvRRiShI || 39|| Vaisampayana continued, 'Having addressed Krishna thus, the illustrious Pandava, who was the soul of Krishna, became dumb, when Janardana (in reply addressed that son of Pritha) saying, 'Thou art mine and I am thine, while all that is mine is thine also! He that hateth thee hateth me as well, and he that followeth thee followeth me! O thou irrepressible one, thou art Nara and I am Narayana or Hari. We are the Rishis Nara and Narayana born in the world of men for a special purpose. O Partha, thou art from me and I am from thee! O bull of the Bharata race, no one can understand the difference that is between us!' Here Krishna clearly said that he was Narayana or Hari.
@@sanjeevlila2549 ..u consult some more scholars of bhagwadgita on this topic...read it yurself...u will come to know..there is vaikunth of vishnu...nd goloka of krishna
@@mountcam people love to divide (and even share the Lord). people love to be unique. After many years, people will come up with many gods as many as Vishnu's names.
ŚB 3.15.23 Translation It is very much regrettable that unfortunate people do not discuss the description of the Vaikuṇṭha planets but engage in topics which are unworthy to hear and which bewilder one’s intelligence. Those who give up the topics of Vaikuṇṭha and take to talk of the material world are thrown into the darkest region of ignorance.
@@mrfox3744 bhai, Vaikuntha dham hi eternal dham hai and final destination hai. Para-Vasudeva Sriman Narayana is the only ultimate destination. There are lots of Vaikunthas like Dhruva loka, Sweta Dwip, but the original and ultimate is the Param Padam Vaikuntha only ♥️🙏🕉️ Jay Sriman Narayana
@@V-2512 u only mentioned one scripture which considered as authentic n that is vedas, could u pls tell me where it's written in vedas ? Pls ... Shlok verse something?
@@V-2512 still tell me where it written in vedas 😁 pls.. cause vedas says Narayan as " purusha" the cosmic being... doesn't have any mention of lord krishna.
Moksha means he will be out of this cycle of birth and death only... If he has practiced bhakti yoga then he will enter vaikuntha after moksha... Otherwise he will be in the divine light of Krishna
Kisse kyaa pata hoga yrr? Vagwan ki bhakti k liye Mahabbarata aur Ramayana racha gaya thaa. In dono itihas mai sirf aur sirf hame bhagwan ke aage surrender kar dena chaiye aisa kaha gaya hai. The main purpose of our life is Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha. To get moksha we should surremder to god by anyways which is the easiest and best way to get Moksha. Bhagwan k dhaam ka varnan kohi nahi kar sakta, isiliye waha dance hota hai ya nahi, waha yummy foods hota hai yaa nahi, aisa question mat karo. The final and orthodox position is that of the Vedas i.e. Nārāyaṇa Sūktam. nā̱rāya̱ṇa pa̍ro jyo̱tir-ātmā nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ pa̍raḥ | nā̱rāya̱ṇa pa̍raṃ-bra̱hma̱ ta̱ttvaṃ nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ pa̍raḥ || 4 || 4. Narayana is the Supreme Light (described in the Upanishads), the ātman, Narayana is the Supreme. Narayana is the Supreme-Reality designated as BRAHMAN. Narayana is the Supreme. yacca̍ ki̱ñcit ja̍gat sa̱rva̱ṃ dṛ̱śyate̎ śrūya̱te'pi̍ vā | anta̍rba̱hiśca̍ tat sa̱rva̱ṃ vyāpya nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ sthi̍taḥ || 6 || 6. Whatsoever there is in this universe known through perception or report; all that is pervaded by Narayana within and without. The position of Vedānta is that only those statements from the Purāṇas that support the teaching of the Vedas are acceptable - any statement, by any one, even Brahma that contradicts the Vedas is to be rejected
@@rishabh2469 By doing devotional bhakti to Lord Vishnu you can attain Vaikuntha, and by doing bhakti of Sri Krishna you will attain Goloka. Similarly by doing bhakti of Sri Ram you will attain Saket Ayodhya.
How could there be difference between Vaikuntha and goloka for when both are one same God. If God is absolute truth, then how could be there difference?? Also the Vedas and even Bhagavad Purana only speaks of Vaikuntha, not Goloka. Just because one particular form of God displays more character than the other forms, doesn't make that form more supreme. For example, a professor teaches quantum mechanics to university students but he also teaches alphabet to his infant child. Does that mean the professor who is teaching his child alphabet less intelligent than the professor who is teaching quantum mechanics in university?? Sounds silly, doesn't it? Similarly depending on the situation, God displays his number of character.
@@JanaP Yeah, that's why maha guru like Sankaracharya and Shree Sesh Avatar Ramanujacharya didn't mention it. Goloka is just a part of Vaikuntha where Shreeman Narayana reside in his 2-handed form Krishna 🙏🕉️♥️ Jay Shree Krishna. There is no need of any gurus for this truth It is all where in the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Vedas and Upanishads
@@amoghadhikari7100 It's superior Truth... it's confidential. Please read Prabhupada books if you want to know the things. Else, one can continue with Vishnu worship. Both are good. Not a big difference. One should approach Guru in the parampara to know the Highest.
@@JanaP I am from Shree Vaishnav Sampradaya the first and oldest sampradaya. I follow Ramanujacharya and his philosophies and we worship Shreeman Narayana and all his Vishnu forms and also we believe Shree Krishna is the supreme self. But like this Goloka thing is new to us, we've never heard this term in any authentic sources but if there is goloka then that's also good. Vaikuntha may have unlimited such planets where Hari manifest himself in different roops according to his devotees. ♥️🕉️🙏 Jay Shree Krishna Jay Shreeman Narayana 🙏♥️
Ek baat bata hu ki bhagwaan krishna hi hai narayan vunse hi bhagwaan narayan ka janam hua hai ye hi ki krishna dono roop mein hai bhagwaan narayan vaikuntha vo bhi krishna par vishnu ke roop aur krishna hi original God vo bhi goloka so dono koi difference nahi dono roop bhi ek hi avatar hai ok
@@somyatyagi_16 lol. They are same. Krishna is Vishnu himself. When he is opulent at Vaikuntha or Dwarka we call him Vasudev Krishna or Vishnu, when he is sweetest at Goloka or Vrindavan, we call him SriKrishna.
@@Gogetada880 Shree Krishna is the purna avatar of Shree Vishnu himself. Shreeman Narayana himself descended as Shree Krishna and did leela. The omniscient great God of Vaikunta (viz. Sriman Narayaṇa) at once manifested Himself before me as Sri Krishna, the eternal son of Nanda, and forthwith Sri Lakshmi Devi became Radhika followed by Bhudevi as Candravalli.” [Stated by Srila Sanatana Goswami in Sri Brhat Bhagavatamṛtam Part 2 Chap 4 (Vaikuṇtha nama) published by Gaudiya Maṭha.] “Those devotees of respective incarnations of the Lord Narayana get the full liberty to serve to their full contentment the manifestation of their choice .......These different manifestations of Bhagavan Sri Narayana are essentially one and the same vaibhava aspects of the one Divinity. They are one and the same though morphologically they maintain their eternal separable existence. .... In the spiritual vision of a devotee different aspects of Sri Krsna may appear; different sportive lands may appear. .................. The same Lord Sri Krsna of Vaikuṇta, the land of transcendence eternally remains in his different manifestations at different holy places such as Bhadri-dham, Sriksetra dham to the sole blissful pleasure of his single-minded devotees.” [Stated by Srila Sanatana Goswami in Sri Brhat Bhagavatamṛtam Part 2 Chap 4 (Vaikuṇtha nama) published by Gauḍiya Maṭha.]
@@amoghadhikari7100 that's what I am trying to say. Krishna is Narayana himself. His another name is Narayana. "Krishnastu Bhagavan Swayam". He himself, in his mula rupa, descended to this world from Baikuntha or Goloka.
@Kaushik Surendran Chettiar me17b054 it is common to elevate krishna as supreme with bhagawatam and bramha vaiavarta purana...but you iskcon doesn't accept narayana as equal to krishna....you say narayana exhibits only 60 qualities where as krishna exhibits 64 such utter foolishness..the thing is isckon doesn't teach about other sampradayas they are very selective and clever ...vedas itself mentioned narayana is krishna...and narayana exhibhits each and every rasa as that of krishna....your bullshit logic of vishnu out of krishna is meaning less ...and you dont talk about karya vaikuntha and spiritual vaikuntha....in spiritual abode of vaikuntha it has each and every rasa....you want proofs then read prabandham...of sri sampradaya...dont demean vaikuntha with goloka because goloka itself is in vaikuntha....if you want to show your bhakti thats fine but do devalue de mean others because a true vaishnava doesn't do so ...om namo narayana...if you want references you can mail me i will clarify each and every thing about vaikuntha supremacy and how we should compare with goloka and how krishna is narayana from vedas....i am from sri sampradaya...
@@debasissaha2721 hahaha Brahma Samhita was never there before Chaitanya 🤣 Plss explain this fairy tales to the mlechhas of other country but not us 🤣🤣🤣we are not in ignorant mode to believe whatever you say. Vedas is only the highest pramanas not puranas
Golok is very different Krishna with Radha and and his friend divotee live there but in baikunth Narayan live with Laxmi madhurye vao is main in golok but in vaikunth Lord Narayan asorye bhao is main
You are not able to know about vaikunth and golok because spiritual science deal with emotions and purity of heart I think you don't have any manners to deal with people first you have to know about lord Vishnu emotionally then vaikunth the manner of talking says that you know lord Vishnu by only books because devotee has very pure heart and sweet behavior Pothi padh padh pandit hua na koi adhai akshar prem ke padhe so pandit hoye
@@bhaweshbhattarai6514 l know all are same emotions of individual towards this supreme power make this power to change their form according to emotion but one thing is common in all if they have even little devotion in any form of God sweet gasture towards other and understanding presonalty this type of behavior shows that he is not devoted towards lord and without Devotion it is not possible to know about God reading about vaikunth and golok only is like maths student remembering theorem without understanding it which makes math puzzle for that student which is waste of time
If a person reaches Vaikuntha then he is fully satisfied there and does not desire to go anywhere else. If a person reaches Saket , he is satisfied there and does not desire to go anywhere else. If a person reaches Goloka/Mathura/ Dwarka he is fully satisfied there and does not desire to go anywhere else. We reach the spiritual planets as per our bhava towards the Lord. If our Bhava is of Ayodhya, we will reach Saket. If our Bhava is of Vraj , we will reach Goloka. HARE KRISHNA 🙏
There is a mistake in this video. Sri Krishna does not reside in Goloka. He is none other than Lord Vishnu so he resides in Vaikunta. Plus Vaikunta is higher than Goloka.
@@hktv108 S.B 3.15.23 It is very much regrettable that unfortunate people do not discuss the description of the Vaikuṇṭha but engage in topics which are unworthy to hear and which bewilder one’s intelligence. Those who give up the topics of Vaikuṇṭha and take to talk of the material world are thrown into the darkest region of ignorance. Congratulation for finding new planets 🤣🤣
Don't believe in it Sir/Madam they also made an stupid chart of every loka and saket loka in below goloka these isckonic people are fools do you bhakti to achieve saket dham Jai Shree Ram Jai Shree Ram 🙏🏼🚩
@@Rohtas9 So all the acharyas including Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and the Goswamis are pakhandis according to you ??? And for you Shrimad Bhagvatam, Brahma Samhita, Brahma Vaivarta Puran and other scriptures which speak of Goloka , Vaikuntha or other spiritual planets within vaikuntha are fake???
@@Eternal_Servant_Of_Vaiṣṇavas never said that and didn't mentioned chaitanya mahaprabhu in this bengali gaudiya Vaishnavism I am questioning how can iskcon do guru parampara they don't have any relation with vaishnav so why toh make ppl fools you can search iskcon guru parampara
In bhagwat gita Lord Krishna says jab mera bhakt ase bhavana bhabit hota hai to wo baikunth jagat main prabesh kar sakta hai. Why not goloka jagat. It means there is no goloka its man made goloka like you people who dont know who actually god is.
while seeing comments below , I came across whereas people some I gone through agama , some said that sacred text etc but iskcon is Right so do u people how :- the only human form of supreme god para Brahma (# refer all Vedas for word meaning of para Brahma ) is Krishna and as well Krishna was incarnation of Lord narayana how at both time :- it's like .. what happens when we get direct power form power house to our homes the homes will burn .. so we need a transformer to regulate the power come to home . in same way god para Brahma took human form as Krishna through as incarnation of Lord narayana so that is para Brahma's unfathomable energy does not destroy universe and earth .. that 's it come to radhe she is also form of para Brahma as god Krishna said ur (radhe) my soul .. no book ,no sacred text came ever in future describe or prove this as god para Brahma is unfathomable .. only he himself in bagvat gita said it .. believe it or not I don't care ... Lord Buddha said a person needs sacred text only understand nature .. to understand god (para Brahma ) u don't need anything just a devotion and love and. meditation is enough to experience para Brahma ...may God smile ..
Para Brahma is Krishna's limbs' effulgence. Para Brahma is formless while Krishna has a form. Both Krsna and Narayan are the same. The truth is also that that Krsna is fully Narayan. We shouldn't under estimate the term incarnation. The actual term to be used is, descent of Narayan.
Uddhava’s testimony Tasmin bhavantāvakhilātma hetau nārāyaṇe kāraṇa martya mūrtau | Bhāvaṃ vidhattāṃ nitarāṃ mahātman kiṃ vāvaśiṣṭaṃ yuvayoḥ sukṛtyam || O Great One ! You have attained to the highest form of devotion to that Being, the supreme Narayana, who is the over-soul of all and who has assumed a human form (Krishna) for the fulfilment of certain purposes. What other end is there left for you to achieve? (S.B. Sk. 10:46:33)
Dear guru ji I'm a teacher by profession by lord's grace my son was placed in Samsung company as he is B.tech but due to lockdown he has been displaced and I'm disturbed please tell me the way out
Chant hare Krishna mahamantra you and your son , becausec you and your son don't have job ..... what question I r asking as a teacher u r asking question like this .....aaaak thu..........teachers like u r there then students namo namha...aahAhhh....tell u r son to apply for other jobs in job portals, otherwise iskon peopkes tell u to both to u and ur son chant here Krishna mHamantra
@@hprasad13 if you don't believe in god's power than don't believe but at least don't spread these ideologies if they had chanted god would have given them some relief but instead you had spread hate for those who serve lord
No you are wrong sister Go means senses I will explain in your language Sad Goswamis you know them right So Goswami means Person who win their senses And radharani is goswamini She continuously serving shri krishna senses By various ways from her and every creature in this existence That the place is known as golok It’s not related with cow
@@sheetalbaijal3914 Krishna is Vishnu residing in Vaikuntha. If possible, what to be offended about what does not exist? Prove where it is written about Goloka besides the rajasic Brahma Vaivartha Puranas? Nowhere. Only Vishnu !!!!!
Srimad Bhagvadgita as it is 8.16 आब्रह्मभुवनाल्लोका: पुनरावर्तिनोऽर्जुन । मामुपेत्य तु कौन्तेय पुनर्जन्म न विद्यते ॥ १६ ॥ ā-brahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ punar āvartino ’rjuna mām upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate Synonyms ā-brahma-bhuvanāt - up to the Brahmaloka planet; lokāḥ - the planetary systems; punaḥ - again; āvartinaḥ - returning; arjuna - O Arjuna; mām - unto Me; upetya - arriving; tu - but; kaunteya - O son of Kuntī; punaḥ janma - rebirth; na - never; vidyate - takes place. Translation From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again. Purport All kinds of yogīs - karma, jñāna, haṭha, etc. - eventually have to attain devotional perfection in bhakti-yoga, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, before they can go to Kṛṣṇa’s transcendental abode and never return. Those who attain the highest material planets, the planets of the demigods, are again subjected to repeated birth and death. As persons on earth are elevated to higher planets, people on higher planets such as Brahmaloka, Candraloka and Indraloka fall down to earth. The practice of sacrifice called pañcāgni-vidyā, recommended in the Chāndogya Upaniṣad, enables one to achieve Brahmaloka, but if, on Brahmaloka, one does not cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then he must return to earth. Those who progress in Kṛṣṇa consciousness on the higher planets are gradually elevated to higher and higher planets and at the time of universal devastation are transferred to the eternal spiritual kingdom. Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa, in his commentary on Bhagavad-gītā, quotes this verse: brahmaṇā saha te sarve samprāpte pratisañcare parasyānte kṛtātmānaḥ praviśanti paraṁ padam “When there is devastation of this material universe, Brahmā and his devotees, who are constantly engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, are all transferred to the spiritual universe and to specific spiritual planets according to their desires.”
Hey Bhagwan, I can't digest this yarr. In this world of different religions, our religions is most disputable I think. Christians have only one god jesus hence no dispute, Muslims have one allah (no dispute), but ours have dispute among different gods like Shiva, Vishnu and Shakti and Inside them to we have more disputes on vishnu which I think ISKCON created that. To glorify shri krishna they dominated Adi Narayana of vedas. I however still believe and devotee myself to lord krishna but dominating the same god Vishnu is what I can't digest. Vishnu, krishna, Ram, Hari all are absolute equal and are equally blissful. Krishna is Narayana, Narayana is Vishnu. Vishnu is himself Rama so, we also can conclude Rama spoke through geeta or Narayana was singing geeta. How can you even differentiate the same parabrahman Sreeman Narayana? And goloka dham is synonym of vaikuntha as well as saketa dham. Everywhere resides LaxmiNarayana as they are all pervading. How can you say goloka is more blissfull than vaikuntha ? both are same abode of Krishna bhagwan. As you all are saying that vaikuntha is office and goloka is home then that's a real shit thinking. If I were in vaikuntha I would ask my Vishnu to show me his leela as krishna because he would do that as I'm in vaikuntha and he is all fulfilling or even I can go to goloka dham from there to see krishna and ask him to turn Chaturbhuj Narayana like he showed to arjuna. All are same and equal. If you were comparing between Shiva and Krishna/Vishnu that would be a lil bit logical but between Vishnu himself? wow?
Actually vaikunth me jyada tar dasya bhav ke bhakt rehate hai aur waha shri vishnu swami roop mein baap roop mein hai..par goloka is like krishna aapke friend bhi hai kuch bhakt ke liye ladoo gopal bete ki tara toh kuch ke liye priyatam like meerabai isilye bliss me pharak hai
@@bhakti20198 chal hart jyada bak bak naakar, tu gaya hai gyaa goloka? Kaha kaha se aajate hai comparision karne k liye. Shreeman Narayana hi Shree Krishna hai, isiliye vaikuntha mai vi jaisi vi ho unko apne bhakt priya hi hai aur friend k tarah hi rehte hai.
@@amoghadhikari7100baat karne ke tarike se lagta nahi aap bhakt hai... according to bhagwat gita, shrimad bhagwatam, gopaltapani upnishad, bramhvaivarta puran, bramhsamhita, shwetarupupnishad, gargsamhita, chaitanya charitamrita bhagwan krishna is original source baki unke expansion hai....aur bhagwat gita me bhagwan bolte hai me aaditya me vishnu hun rudro me shankar...agar aisa nahi toh directly bol dete me narayan me hi vishnu yeh krishna toh bas avtar hai aisa unhone nahi bola
@@amoghadhikari7100 shastro ne shri krishna ko avatari bola hai avtar nahi... slight difference hai avatari yani jinse avatar hue avtar yani expansion...shastra padh lijiye jawab mil jayega..navadha bhakti jo prahlad ne di woh sarvmanya hai aur bhakti ke bhi bhav hai...ek dasya bhav jisme shabari, hanuman, hai jo bhagwan ko swami khud ko das samajhate hai, ek sakhya bhav jo ki arjun, sudama, hai ek vatsalya bhav jo devaki, yashoda hai aur ek madhurya bhav jo meera, radha hai
@@bhakti20198 tere baat karne se vi nahi lagta ki tu bhakt hai. Hari ka jitna vi expansion ho wo swayam Hari hi hai kahai ghat bad nahi hoti. Ye Rajasick puran aur sectarian scriptures ko mai praman nahi maanti nahi koi vedic knowledge rakhne wala manta hai. Sabse chota pran hai Puranas, use bada hai Itihasa, aur fir Vedanta(Vedas). Tu hari bhakt nahi hai, kiuki ek hi Hari k bich comparision kar raha hai murkha. Dam hai to sab padke dikha dhongi Sectarian scripture are scripture which are written by great bhaktas. They cannot be taken as Pramana while indulging in a theological debate. Like for example, Caitanya Charitamrita is the biography of Sriman Caitanya Mahaprabhu, which contains many theological sutras, but they cannot be taken as a Pramana if it is not found anywhere in Vedic literature. Divya Pravandham may be regarded as Tamil Vedas but no Sri Vaishnava can use it as an authority while indulging in a debate with a Smarta, Shaiva or Shakta. They have to debate or have to eastablish their siddhantam, interpreting Upanishads, Gita and Puranas…. The final and orthodox position is that of the Vedas i.e. Nārāyaṇa Sūktam. nā̱rāya̱ṇa pa̍ro jyo̱tir-ātmā nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ pa̍raḥ | nā̱rāya̱ṇa pa̍raṃ-bra̱hma̱ ta̱ttvaṃ nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ pa̍raḥ || 4 || 4. Narayana is the Supreme Light (described in the Upanishads), the ātman, Narayana is the Supreme. Narayana is the Supreme-Reality designated as BRAHMAN. Narayana is the Supreme. yacca̍ ki̱ñcit ja̍gat sa̱rva̱ṃ dṛ̱śyate̎ śrūya̱te'pi̍ vā | anta̍rba̱hiśca̍ tat sa̱rva̱ṃ vyāpya nā̍rāya̱ṇaḥ sthi̍taḥ || 6 || 6. Whatsoever there is in this universe known through perception or report; all that is pervaded by Narayana within and without. The position of Vedānta is that only those statements from the Purāṇas that support the teaching of the Vedas are acceptable - any statement, by any one, even Brahma that contradicts the Vedas is to be rejected
In bhagwadgita...krishna doesnt talk about any dance or raas in goloka...he jus says to arjuna...that he is the original god..worshipping other gods is useless....so choose the path of no return
@Dhīmahi i have not come across any word like raas leela or dance or gopi in the Gita...if u hav seen such a sanskrit word in Gita then let me know which verse
@Dhīmahi no..the girl was mentioning the gopi dance Raas leela in her video about Bagwadgita...so i gave my answer only with reference to Gita shlokas. Sanskrit was a subject in my schooling...so i have some idea about sankrit grammer also...but i hv crosschecked the meaning of shlokas with a sanskrit teacher too..so my understanding is improving
Who cares about bliss, i will be at a place where there is lord Vishnu i will be there, even if its hell, if vishnu is present i would love to go there.
Hahaha, Goloka is itself in Vaikuntha, if you don't want to go Vaikuntha then, may Hari let you descend in earth again 🙏 S.B 3.15.23 It is very much regrettable that unfortunate people do not discuss the description of the Vaikuṇṭha but engage in topics which are unworthy to hear and which bewilder one’s intelligence. Those who give up the topics of Vaikuṇṭha and take to talk of the material world are thrown into the darkest region of ignorance.
Goloka is a planet exists in Vakuntha. After the death of Sri Krishna, Lord Narayana manifested a new planet called Goloka for Sri Krishna. Not abode but a planet. Beyond Goloka there will Saket loka, planet of Lord Ram. Beyond that will be Mani Dvipa, abode or realm of Adi Sakthi, which is not Radhe. Beyond that will be Sadasiva loka. Creation story of ISKCON is based on Brahma vaivarta Purana. In that purana Sri Krishna created Trinity and Tri-Devi and also His Consort, Radhe.That They name her as Mula Pkiriti. But in Devi Bhagavatam, Mani Dvipa abode is considered far superior than Goloka, Vaikuntha and Kailasa. Adi Sakthi's consort is Lord Sadasiva. Lord Sadasiva is self-born deity, directly from Brahman and not Sri Krishna. He has no form, the first state of Siva. Then, He created Maha Bhagavati, then He manifested himself in a formless form state, second state of Shiva. Then, Maha Bhagavati created Purusha and Prikriti. Purusha will be Lord Narayana manifesting "Adi Shristi" or multi-verse.Prikriti or Lalitha Tripurasundari manifested universes. So, You ISKCON people are praying Lord Sri Krishna will go to Goloka. One that prays Lord Ram will go to Saket loka. One that prays respective God will go to respective abode.So, Goloka are just a planet not a realm. So, supreme abode or realm will be Sadasivaloka.
Arwin Krishnamorthy devi bhagwat puran is not a major puran and apart from shaktya mathas none of the maths accept it. It's a 6th century fictional expansion of Devi Mahatamya by Markandeya muni. where as brahmavaivatra puran directly makes it's place among 18 major purans and accepted by gurukuls all over india and traces it's making directly by the hands of ved vyasa
Yes but Vaisnavam Agama has less "expansion" on creation. Based on Vaisnavam Agama, Para-Vasudeva is supreme which is not Krisna (Avatar) who became Narayana. Thus, Narayana is supreme in Vaisnavam Agama. To study any books of Sanatana Dharma, we need (MUST) to know our agamas. I am a Saivist. Based on what you have said, I believe that you are Vaisnavam. Brahmavaivarta Purana contradict Vaisnavam Agama itself. Thus, it can be explained that the purana is interpolated. In my 2 years of study on this religion, I can conclude Lord Sadasiva is supreme. I have studied all sect's agamas, puranas, itihasa, darshanas, and Vedas. Ganapatya Sect is 6th, Kaumaram Sect is 5th, Sauram Sect is 4th and thus completing minor Sects. Vaisnavam Sect is 3rd, Sakta Sect is 2nd and Saivam Sect is 1st. This is based on the creation explanation of Sect of Sanatana Dharma. The reason Vaisnavam is in 3rd is that there is no mention of Sadasiva and Adi Para Sakthi. Thus, Lower than Sakta Sect. Sakta do mention both of them but they say Adi Para Sakthi is supreme and also they accept Sadasiva is supreme. So, Saivam is supreme. Iskcon is just a cult formed due to Demon Kali's Kali Yuga effect. I hope it explains and answers to your answer.
Arwin Krishnamorthy I'm equally neutral towards vaishnavism and shaivism and view shiva and vishnu as one and the same. I'm talking on the basis of what i have read and understood so far. ok agreed that brahmavaivatra has been manipulated , but still the crux remains same. and yeah got to have a read of brahmavaivtra , it does talks of shiva loka , shakti loka. and as per what i have understood i would say that sadashiva is formless aspect of supreme god , where as Narayan is formed aspect of very same god. even purush sukta says that supreme being is husband of hree (shakti) and shree (lakshmi). so it's vishnu and shiva combined by logic. that supreme being only is referred as krishna in brahmvaivatra as it reads that krishna presides over shakti and lakshmi in goloka and with furthur expansions hree goes to shiva and shri goes to vishnu. even as per adi shankaracharya govinda is adi purush who existed before his avataar too and he sung shakti as power of god (shiva and vishnu) but never sung shakti's existance before shiva/vishnu. theory of brahmavaivatra nowhere contradicts to major puranas. btw i don't know where did you gather this ranking of sects from
The ranking is based on the creation ideas of the Sects, since I have read the agamas. Govindam Adi purusham by Adi Sankara where he mentioned Narayana as Govinda not individually. The palm leaves for brahmavaivarta Purana is found in Bengal where gaudiya Vaisnavam is prominent. Narayana as per Vishnu Purana is the supreme. There is no mention of Narayana's source as krisna. So, therefore brahmavaivarta Purana do contradict.Narayana's source is Vamadev of Sadasiva not directly from Sadasiva. Since I have gone through Adi sankara's govindam Adi purusham song. He mentions govindam of Bhagavad Gita. As per Mahabharata, Krisna is an avatar of Narayana and Bhagavata Purana confirms it also. My point is that Krsna is not the source of Narayana but Narayana Himself is the source of Avatar Krsna. Why Narayana is called as Govinda is because He is Govinda. For example, if I say Uma and Durga is different, will you accept it? For some people, Durga and Uma is different. But original both names goes to Sakthi, the same. This is how you explain to me just know.tq
Arwin Krishnamorthy sir , govindam adi purusham is from brahm samhita and not by shankaracharya. adi shankaracharya has written madhurashtakam , achyutashtakam , bhaja govindam and many more glorifying krishna. 2nd if you read bhagawat carefully it does talks of supreme being/maha vishnu entering hiranyagarbha and then having a sleep for several thousands daivik years. but here my intention is not to debate upon godhead , i just wanted to negate the shakt theory of creation. rest we are not that enlightened to give commentaries on godhead , he's way beyond our reach but the crux of brahmvaivatra is pure till date , our negation can't prove it wrong :) and yes very same brahm samhita says kshiram yatha dadhi vikara -vishesha -yogat sanjayate na hi tatah prithag asti hetoho yah shambhutam api tatha samupaiti karyad govindam adi - purusham tam aham bhajami Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of vikaars , but yet the "curd " is neither the same as , nor different from, its milk , so I adore the Primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Sambu has evolved for the performance of the work of destruction. so , jai HariHara :)
