What is it Going to COST to BUILD a Kit CATAMARAN? - A Comprehensive Guide (MJ Sailing) 

As a 21-year-old dreaming, this breakdown helps a lot. Going to follow this until completion and once its my time ill use all this information. Thank you for this it truly helps and does wonders. Keep up the great work

Guys. I just wanted to say thank you. Amidst this health and economic crisis we're in, I've spent most of my time stressed about not losing my business. I absolutely needed this distraction and reminder that goals and dreams are still achievable. I legit needed this video. Thank you.

I've only been more interested in your channel because you decided to build another boat. I enjoyed the refurb of elements and your travels. But I enjoy the building more than anything.

Wow! That is a big undertaking. I know you're up to the task. I hope everything works out for you I will be watching as you proceed. Thank you for taking the time for the explanation.

This is HUGE information package for my project. Going to watch and learn it closely! I thank you! 😀

I built an F-9A (31' tri) launched in 1993. An educated guess at the beginning was that it would take 8 months and $35K to build. It ended up taking 24 months and around $100K (at least $18K was rent for the indoor shop where it was built - SoCal prices). So approx x3 for both. I say this because designers and builders notoriously estimate the low end for $$$ and time. Be mentally and financially prepared for overruns and stay strong. In the end, you will have something to really be proud of when you are "horizoning" other boats. AND, you will know the boat inside and out. BUT, building takes so long because so many decisions have to be made before you even touch the material or the piece of gear. Researching, sourcing, ordering and receiving parts takes time. Wish you guys the very best success in your endeavor.

Hats off guys ... I can't go to the supermarket without going over budget. I'm very excited to see ye get started ! Best of luck !!

The way you put together the video, spreadsheet, and just following you guys for a while, I am a believer you guys can absolutely pull this off. Looking forward to the start date.

Such an interesting and deductive video...super!! Thank you for sharing all this amazing plan and info

These things aren’t investments. You are buying a wonderful life experience and end up with a free boat at the end. Realism and transparency will add attraction to your film production, you seem to be committed to that. Good luck for the years ahead.

I really hope this pans out for the both of you. I followed pretty much the entire build of Elements. I am a former power boater and did almost ALL my own work on it. I will look forward to the start of the build. All the best from Canada.

Wow so much info! Thanks for sharing!!

A lot of homework you have done already, and very informative for any considering such a thing.

Good luck to you. This is an exciting project. I've been following you for quite some time and I have no doubt that you can complete this project as long as you can manage outside factors. I've been involved in estimating large project professionally for decades, Adding contingency as a separate line item is really important as you set your budget. That way you can manage uncertainty; whether it is higher costs for identified items (economy, shortages), unidentified items within the current scope (additional hardware not anticipated); or items outside of the budgetted scope (adding a generator, watermaker, etc); either through scope creep or misfortune (errors, damage, etc.). The contingency should be higher at the beginning of the project; but then can be reduced as the project gets closer to completion as you have more committed costs. I've seen that regional costs make a big difference in labor projects which doesn't necessarily apply directly to you (since you are doing the labor youself); but indirectly since the cost of living, facilities, utilities, etc, varies tremendously depending on where you work. I've been noticing while we are starting the slow process of opening up from our stay at home orders; that things are just not going to be as efficient as before. What used to be a quick 10 minute trip to the grocery store has become an hour long ordeal. Everything slows down as social distancing, cleaning, limiting facility occupancies, etc. becomes the prime concern. I imagine that we will see significant price increases until the population gains immunity to this virus.

This is no different than someone building thier own landlocked home themselves. A ton of work, but in the end, your sweat equity puts you years ahead. Kudos to you guys and looking forward to the build videos. 😀

Thank you so much for all of that work and information. Very impressive well done and thought out

I'm looking forward to following this project! Keep it simple, light and fast.

Thanks for your dedication to making great videos and sharing so much. I did sense you both are a bit tired of everyone chiming in, but for the most part, viewers have only the best intentions and wish you well. Here is my take on things. Just food for thought, do with it what you like. Outboard engine install is certainly easier and less $ than inboard diesels. However range may be an issue so you may want to look at fuel consumption on the gas motors vs. diesel based on your records of engine hrs and when you needed to motor-sail. Outboard manufacturers specs on consumption is likely very optimistic and your #'s are actual use. You may find you need much larger fuel tanks and $$$ for the same hrs and/or distance. There are more BTU's in diesel than gas, and diesels make power at lower RPM so inherently use less fuel. Gassers run much faster (2 X ish) for the same power. If you motored for days at a time, the sound of 2 gassers howling might get old real quick. I don't know of a diesel owner who wishes they had gas, but a lot of gassers wish they had diesel, for a lot of reasons. Consider exhaust fumes. I'm a power boater so don't know how wind and relatively slow speeds of a sail boat would affect fumes getting to the cockpit, but gas engine fumes are headache food and more motion sickness for almost everyone. So anytime you have smelled diesel fumes in elements,, multiply that annoyance by at least 2 for gas. You kids are full of energy and also have tremendous options for where your life can take you. Looking back for me (i'm 60), I think the best things came from recognizing and being in a position to take opportunities that were extraordinary, not just pretty good. This applied to my choice of woman to marry, career direction, real estate investments... Everything. Meaning more than just one or two stars needed to be lined up, out of the 5 or 6 needed for things to go reasonably well. Extraordinary was 3 , 4 or even 5 stars lining up and only 1 or 2 things (stars) left to follow common results. You both like to build, and are certainly not afraid of hard work, so labour is free (sort of). One star lined up. Start lovin' the fast food joint nearest the build site. Everything else seems pretty regular and no real stars lining up. Say you already had access to a near perfect space to do the build that was nearly (or totally) free (an uncle has a manufacturing business with a vacant building that's perfect). Great - two stars out of 6. Corona-plaooza hits! Sheesh. Effects on the economy are likely to last for most of a decade maybe even more. Cruising boat market will definitely go soft for a bit, so elements is worth less as you noted - Minus one star. You may need to pay near retail for many supplies and delivery can add up quick. - Minus 1 or at least 1/2 a star. As you said, refitting Elements wasn't cheap and it remains an old hull. But it's a metal hull so less mysterious than the same age fibreglass. Excellent call on that! However, the new build will still be a kit boat despite the newer year. Is that be a wash as far as value goes? The biggest value is the kit appears to be bringing the boat build into your price range. Like the warranty issues on the refit parts you described, things will always come up to throw off the budget. Now throw in just one wild card and the equation can fall apart. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, right? Say one of you breaks an ankle miss-stepping off a stool. My friend did exactly that building his house and added 6 months to the house move-in date and he's still limping 5 yrs later. In my experience there doesn't seem like enough stars lining up in Plan-A anymore to make the build an extraordinary opportunity. Opportunities come in many shapes and sizes. Maybe embrace Corona-plaooza for what it might offer in new options while the pendulum swings the other way. I built and did a pretty wide range of things in my life and had a great ride. There were a number of things we didn't do that we were 98% convinced were great next steps. Like you, planned them out meticulously, and at the last minute stopped it. Looking back, most of those were sheer dumb luck that we stopped and shortly after saw we had dodged a bullet. By far, the most rewarding was fitting a family into our plans and are so glad now that we have 2 amazing kids and shared so much of our lives with them. That's an opportunity you might be glad to have, and sail a 10 yr old 45' corona-cat for $0.25 on the dollar? What ever you do, we'll be watching your amazing adventure as long as you are sharing it with us!

Great Planning , thank for educating us about this. Important information. Thank You

I really enjoyed the content thanks,' your planning well .

Really enjoyed every second of this!

Wonderful detailed description folks. Thank you. I clearly see your logic, "BUT", I really wish I had seen inboard engines with shafts . . .

I get really excited about you and your new build. Cost is a killer but don't quite. Hull layup, spars, and rigging financing can be a headache but do it anyway. Love ya both.

Thank you, that helped a lot...

Totally love and can relate to the extreme research. That was a ton of talking, your arms must be tired ;). Looking forward to your journey.

Nice weather and Sutton Harbour good marina...hope your enjoying Plymouth... plenty of bass under your boat... enjoy...

This is absolutely the longest RU-vid video I’ve sat through non stop. Thanks for the depth of detail. I’d be a bit concerned about the weight of this vessel. It’s light, very light. While that might be good for speed but what about the sea motion. I hope you’ll find it comfortable. That’s so important. Keeping a lid on scope creep will be a challenge. Resisting the “Might as wells” would be very hard for me. Hopefully you will have stronger self discipline. Regardless this is a daunting task. If you take it on I wish you the best. I’ll enjoy watching.

Well, you've got your numbers, you've got your enthusiasm and dedication, now just have to do it... good luck, I'll be following you and waiting for an address.

I’ve been watching you guys build your kit catamaran and the thought occurred to me what a good idea it would be to build a scale model of you boat in plastic extrusion similar to the Revel model kits. I would have loved to do what you are doing, what an adventure, but as an 82 year old I’ve missed the opportunity,but in my younger days I’ve owned four sailboats, divotced twice and raised three kids, so al I can do now is to build scale models, my latest attempt is to build a plastic scale model of the Titanic which has over 400 plastic extruded components. This could present a good business opportunity for you both to fund your lifestyle

Watching the refit of Elements was fun, so I look forward to seeing this process unfold! The detail is impressive as always, thanks for sharing guys!

Guys just wanted to let you know that your pretty close on budget i did same costings a little bit ago and it came to $350K AUS DOLLAR.

This is amazing! Thank you so much!

Great to stumble across a YOUNG couple who seem to have worked out how to do it, and have the myriad skills to make it happen . I had to have a professional career, and do up 3 houses and two cats in England before I could buy a new Fontaine Pajot 37 ,which was then home for 22 years and a circumnavigation . Good luck with the blogging. I love your youthful energy !

Great video. Really excited to watch this process. Two items I didn't see listed but I would be surprised you didn't have: watermaker and generator/inverter. Any plans for theses?

Yes one more thing... as one mention before; the market - how is corona going to impact the market? Locally we see now a surge for boats (Norway) - but how will the big international charter market look like in the future? There is a big chance there will be hard times for years to come and many will go under, so there can be a buyers market soon.

A great review of projects and associated costs. I run with a saying "If I buy cheap, I buy twice". Although now just an estimate, I felt the area of batteries and available power should not be compromised. I would build to the 400 watts now. Another $500 in the scope of things is nothing. We own a 44' motorhome, and carry 8 classmate batteries for an all electric coach. Obviously weight is not as big a concern, and our ability to recharge them is much easier, but the step up for 4 in our older coach to 8 makes life much more worry free. From one Michigander to another good luck, wish you were building near us, would love to offer free labor. Travel Safe

Having heard what's basically involved, I think it's a great adventure, and you are very brave to take it on. Have you asked or even told Georgie Girl about it yet!

Wow, that's such a brave project to undertake. I thought the boat chores I was tackling were brave, ha ha (they're not). Anyway I'm subscribed just to see how this unfolds. Best of luck and stay safe guys!! ⛵️👌🏻😁

I am so excited to watch the two of you tackle this project!

following closely , great info

Good Luck, this is going to be very interesting.

You get a "thumbs up" right up front for segmenting the progress bar. 1:27 is a long YT commitment so I can pop in and out. This should be interesting.

This is a very impressive projet and nice planning. I wish you the best.

I know, everybody has suggestions. I'll keep these to a minimum. Galley - replaced my entire electrical system, went to LiFePO4 too with bigger panels and charge controllers. Worked so well for my RO system, refrigeration, water heater and house uses I went and refitted the galley to an induction stovetop and microwave and tossed the propane system. Amazing upgrade. I still never need my gen unless it's cloudy for 3 days. Interior paints - look at the Ben Moore Advance waterborne alkyds, easy to use and great for wet areas. My deck, cockpit and both interior heads were redone with this (one head is converted to a sauna). Use the satin finish inside. The Yamaha high thrust outboards are an excellent choice. Retrofitted an old Catalina 30 using the 9.9 on a bracket, pushed the fat 11000lb boat at 6kts, used 1/2gph and SOOOO quiet. Just remember to make use of the cooling channel flush, plumb a permanent flush hose and open the valve for 30 seconds after every use.

Happy for you guys ...I can’t wait until the build starts...I’ve been with you guys through the 1st boat refurb...I’ll be there for this build....Iam a quiet subscriber.Lol....It’s gonna be a great build ....😊😊😊😊

Great information

Good luck to you guys, I hope that all goes well for you to achive your dreams. A few things occurred to me while looking over your plans. I didn't see life raft or survival equipment listed. Also, from my experience of personally rehabbing two homes I am not sure you have enough budgeted for misc expenses such as incidentals, upgrades, spoilage, mistakes, inspections, license fees, etc. Do you have a separate budget for your expected living expenses over the two years if it differs from your living expenses aboard? Do you have a plan B if you get hurt or sick and can't work on the boat so you don't lose major equity on the project? Plan for the protective equipment and procedures you need so you don't have long term health issues from the heavy duty toxins you are going to be around for the next two years? Not trying to throw cold water on your plans, I would like you to succeed in your goals.

Thank you for the extremely detailed information. Seriously, you guys are awesome. And sharing the spreadsheet too, wow! I will be following your project with enthusiasm.

This is such a terrific video - you have given this topic such excellent thought, such thorough preparation, and present a very well condensed version of your findings. I agree with so much of what you've listed / spoken about, and understand your reasons where we differ. You've created a great resource for others considering this journey, including the spreadsheet. Thank you very much! I'm looking forward to your decision & build. I'm a big fan of Schionnings fwiw but Oram is great too . . . I respect your decision to favour your existing sail loft relationship, but you (and others) could consider making your own sails. Compared to a boat-build it's much easier! Designs can be found including free open-source designs AND software. I prefer the advanced laminates and more of a racing rig but again I get where you're coming from for more of a cruiser. Could you build your own carbon mast & get a better, stronger, lighter spar for less than the aluminium? I support your preference for outboards for this build too, and although i prefer electric, it is true they are hardly used so hard to justify.

Oh man, that was pretty comprehensive and almost down to the penny. I have to agree, tech changes so fast it’s a total waste of time and money to talk about that now. I will say that I’m gonna be watching every video, call me stupid but I love boat work. Thanks to RU-vid I’ve learned so much and have been able to do practically all my jobs, solar and fiberglass were the biggest. Thanks you two, I know it was long but I watched every second. We have lost a ton in the markets too, totally feel that pain, shoot.... so many good tips too! Take care and try not to get bored!

thats an amazing amount of info, I'd like a copy of that spreadsheet. I dont have money yet to build, i want to learn ahead of time.

Excellent vid. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to this build.

Keep an open mind as to the amount of time you have allotted for the build. That can change in a heart beat. And if you decide to go that route don't get in a hurry and by all means if you get discouraged take a break and walk away for awhile. It'll still be there. I know I'm building a 24 foot self designed Trimaran for use on the ICW and gulf. A self build is labor intensive and time consuming. Good luck to you fellow boat nut!

I have briefly been on board an Oram 44C which is the forerunner to the 45R. It is a very good design, nice choice.

great summary of the project, since you still have some time have you considered diesel outboards, petrol on a boat that has low usage may have shelf life issues typically it goes off between 3 and 6 months and is definitely at least as big a hazard on board as propane cheers

How about a line item for the expense of moving your completed boat to the place where you intend to launch it? Also, when completed will it fit on a flatbed truck and be not too big to haul down the highway? When I was a kid my parents built a themselves a houseboat from scratch over 100 miles away from its final destination. They did not think to measure twice (especially how wide it was going down the road) and also forgot to factor in how much it weighed for going over bridges on its final journey. In other words for them it was a hassle similar to moving an actual house. One other caution: working with all the chemicals and solvents and fiberglass will be really hard on your respiratory systems. Please don't ruin your lungs in the process. I do wish you all the best on your building adventure. Thanks for the weekly videos!

Great information, a lot of it. How will you keep your sailing skills in tune while building your new boat?

any details on what rustoleum you used on elements interior? watched entire refit and don't remember seeing... thanks!

will be very interesting to follow your hard work. However you missed the davit system for a dingy as this is not part of the structure. also there will be more SS pushpits and pullpits etc. Canvas wilh clears for the cockpit is also a substantial cost. Would strongly advise on installing an electric winch for using especially with the main halyard, remember a cat mail is a lot heavier than a mono main. Also advise to install a separate battery up front for the windlass, saves a lot of expensive heavy gauge cable. Again looking forward to the start of your build. PS as a Norwegian I loved your northern tour.

I'm anxious to see how this all pans out. I love building but never done nothing like this : )

Im amazed at how he sat there and talk for an hour and a half

Very Beautiful ☺👍

I am doing the same thing. I am torn between the Schionning Arrow 1360 and the Oram 44 C or the Oram 45 R. They all look great boats to me. My prices had the Schionning as more costly but taking less time to build. The other factor for me was the resale value. I too just want to get my money back after 5-10 years and I have the Schionning ahead there. I think their furniture options gives them a better finish. The Oram philosophy is more upon the spartan/performance end, and the focus is on simplicity and pure sailing practicalities. I am probably going to hire some help so I am costing in some wages and on costs on top of this to give me a better comparison. I am not sure whether you have mentioned the choice between Duflex balsa or foam. I think both designers are right with preferring balsa but the resale value of foam seems better even though I think the concerns about balsa are ill informed. Please keep posting theses videos, it is much appreciated.

As always, I am all in on your plans and am really looking forward to watching this project unfold. I just have to say this one time though, I really think you are making a mistake in prioritizing performance. I mean, this is a liveaboard, your home. Comfort would be my priority. It's like you are going to a catamaran, but, not reaping the biggest benefits...comfort. To me, a performance cat is one thing, and, a liveaboard home is another, not to be combined. In reality, how often is your cruising life is performance a deciding factor? The vast majority of your life, you are at anchor Anyways, you know way better than me what you want, but, I just had to express my reservations this one time. Love you guys and will be there for every episode, even if I cringe every time I look at those narrow hulls....: )

Great overview, thank you. I think you need to add about $50,000 in miscellaneous extra cost for nuts bolts washers screws, wire terminals, vhf cable and connectors, plumbing fittings, etc and the 10,000+ extra parts on a cruising cat to install all of the major equipment you listed. Think about every time you go to West Marine and get a small bag of parts for $200 or more. It’s going to add up.

1-electrical system, is going to be 12v, 24v, 48v,? appliances are cheaper and more common for 12v system.. 3-The cost (build of material, BOM) to build the 42 footer is 4800 USD per linear foot(double hull). Excellent price. 4-What is the estimated cruising speed with the outboard engines only? 5-I would suggest taking into account a ready-drop-in solution (future upgrade) for an e-motor system from Oceanvolt or at least a hybrid wired-ready system for future use. 6-What is your estimated labor cost(normally 10x higher in the States) and certified inspection fees for 2 years? 7-I would add 10% for inventory (material, objects..) shrinkage during the building process.

Hi Matt and Jess, I’m excited to watch this project evolve, and while I know it will be fabulous I’m still curious as to why you want to use up all the energy of a new build as opposed to finding something existing and making it your own.I watched the elements build closely and while you guys are very good at what you do, I just hope that the New World order ( Post corona) will allow this builder to move forward. By the way, which one of you is the trust fund baby? :-) Cheers from a huge fan

I am sure I will never take on a task this massive. Big respect to you guys. I will follow along while you build it! Best of luck!

Absolutely go for outboards! I had twin honda 20s on my 40' cat (Pescot Whitehaven that I built) and they were amazing! Being able to raise them out of the water, no folding props, no worry about anodes, 1/3 cheaper, 1/2 the weight, take 'em out when needed and they could push my boat at 9 knots fully loaded. Fuel economy was around 4-5 litres per hour. The down side is on resale-- people don't like them.For practical purposes, they are perfect.

I hope you get some sponcers to help out. I love and watch all your videos.

Hi guys, I love your vids, and they're only going to get better with this new build. One thing that I don't understand or have seen before, is a camera at the top of the mast?? It would be invaluable when navigating shallow water. Any thoughts on why it isn't standard?

Greetings from India Thanks for this so detailed explanation... You can check wharram designs or Chris White design as well since you are considering a multihull

Move to South Africa, and do your build there . . .

Hello, nice episod! May i ask you what board did you use to make your headliner? It looks very nice - together with the wall.

when they say they include all fillers and such in the kit - Is it enough to get the inside fared out to a good standard as well as fairing the outside?

Matt, Could you please provide a link or details on the ceiling cabin lights you referenced in this video? Thanks!

Best of luck to you guys. As far as location, all things considered I'd recommend somewhere on the North Carolina coast, maybe around Washington or New Bern. Up some of the rivers you're basically sitting beside navigable fresh water with enough depth for you. The climate is the most conducive - summers not too too hot, winters not too cold. Great protection from hurricanes. Reasonably cheap property values. Good labor rates. If you find a decent spot, you can then build a house on it for an eventual home base.

I'd prefer to see yall on an Oram Drumbeat 62' but I understand the economics. My favorite cat.

Something to consider when deciding on components is the warranty length, where it has to be shipped to for warranty repair(Europe or USA) & if the mfg offer out of warranty repair. Pronautic P series chargers carry a five year warranty. Both Garmin & Raymarine offer out of warranty repair. (better than throwing away & cheaper than buying new.) If not repairable they may offer a reduced rate for upgrading to current models. Some Fusion(Stereo, Amp) models are warrantied for 3 years. Ritchie Compass I believe is five years as well. ...just little things can make life easier down the road.

Very cool project. I'm late to the party, but watching the videos in order. I didn't see anything in the project for a RO water-maker/filtration system. Do you plan on topping up the tanks prior to long passages and hoping for the best? Or did I miss something? Subscribed/following...

I can’t access the Bob Oram Design website. Do you have another way to contact them? Many thanks.

Looking forward to the builds. Got a link to those interior LEDs? I need some for my project boat.

Charter companies are dying left and right. Used cat prices will plumet. After the hurrican season this fall you can probably get a production boat with a couple dings and scratches for close to what these kits cost. - but you need liquidity for that.

If you want a cat there's going to be a huge selection at discounted prices soon and financially this would be the way to go. But then if you want to build your own so be it.

This was a great and thorough video. Any plans for Genset, Water maker or AC unit? Those will ramp up your comfort factor 1m%

Very comprehensive cost analysis, thanks. I've been wondering about this ever since the subject came about. If you're comfortable talking about it, I'd be interested if this is bank financed similar to a home construction loan? Or is this a project that is owner financed? thumbed

I'm planning to build a trimaran. Not from a kit though (I wish!). Anyway, this was super helpful. Do you have a link for the machined aluminum LED interior lights you mentioned?

Any thoughts of raiding boat scrapyards for some stuff like the steering quadrant or wheel?

Wow - Great Info and thanks for sharing....I was looking at the Elco Electric Outboards - Is there a way to get away with Long shaft instead of Extra Long (5 inches)? They are roughly the price of the Yamaha you mention - Of course the Batteries are not included in that - But then clean and no fuel......

Did you get a chance to talk to Mick and Liss from the channel Surf, Sail, Roam? I know he built his catamaran too.

Wow you have planned this down to the last nut and bolt it seems. Maybe I missed it, but do you plan on a water maker or is that down the road?

I'm blown away by the detail cost breakdown. Great job. Personally, I hope you get a lot of things free from manufacturers on this build. Since you enjoy the building process, I'm looking forward to this process as well. Outboard engines are intriguing. Diesel is the preferred fuel due to it's safety factor. How are you migrating the risks of significant gasoline storage?

Lots of detail and number which is interesting, certainly be a challenging project. However, didn't see heating in the plan? Are you planning on sailing anywhere cold?

Suggest​ you​ look at​ Elco​ outboards.​ Price​ and​ weight similar​ to​ yamaha.

That's a lot of money! It's great you can pull this of. Stay save.

Did you get any estimates to have this built professionally? Just interested what it would cost for someone who wanted something as custom as this but didn't have time to do the actual assembly themselves.

Thank​ you​ for​ this.​ Your​ price​ per​ ton was​ just​ slighrly.higher​ than​ I​ got​ for​ the​ harryproa​ 50,​ 4​ tons gross 2​ tons​ net.​ I​ got​ to​ usd​ 30k per​ gross​ ton, 120k.

nice please may I have the excel file because the link doesn't work please!!!!

Firstly, thanks for this super video - very interesting and well put together. Bravo! U guys rock! If of interest, some feedback on the 'financial sensibleness' of this project (of course, yachting never makes financial sense....i know), sure you already thought about this, but anyways (maybe i just wanna write this down, to persuade myself from not starting my own custom-build project ;-D ) : 7,500 working hours - wow! Not sure what your prior jobs were, but conclude u guys are pretty bright, so let's say a wage of at least $50/hr, that equals $375,000 (excluding health benefits, pension etc that your employer would pay for, easily worth another $50k), add-on the $200k to purchase the physicals = $575k. take 10% contingency = $633k. Then we are not looking at missed opportunity costs, building time 2 yrs plus, cash u could have invested in the market....2 to 6% pa.

Matt...this question is off topic but when you two had Elements on the Hard in Tampa area...a) was it liveaboard and if so ...b) what Marina did you use ?