What is Power Scaling? | Powerscaling 101 

The problem with A < B < C is that some characters are better suited to fight certain characters. A might beat B but C can beat A due to having an ability that counters A but C will still lose to B.

First cuz I’ve got Irrelevant Speed

The subtitles in that seth vs vacheeto debate were needlessly funny lol

Came From Noodles's Bleach Hub Video. Glad you got you're name cleared up, Nobody has to go through that.

Definitely thought this was very good for people who are new to power scaling. We need more content like this on RU-vid for normie scalers. Please keep up the good work! 👍

Awesome shit man; can't wait for more "Lessons on" videos! It's great stuff.

Honestly this guy explains so well

Thank you for this, I haven’t understood power scaling very well and this really helped me. Can’t wait for the video about hax :>

I'm just learning however there's 1 thing in powerscaling that I disagree with. That being the A>B>C argument. Because of different characters abilities. C could be able to beat A, but not B. Its very possible I've been in real life situations where this was the case. In terms of actual power it would hold up, but not in terms of who would win the fight.

Thank you for educating the masses so we don't have to argue with newcomers on vocab and basic concepts of power scaling for an hour. Really helpful video!

I'm glad to see that people are now more willing to accept statements in debates. I was at my wits end seeing these "feats>statements, I only want to see feats" elitist arguing that the dbz verse was only planet level.

I came from Noodles’ video and I wasn’t disappointed. Amazing work, man!

I’m so glad I found this I’ve been trying to start for a while

am just getting into powerscaling and debating and this video is very informative. You deserve way more subs than u have. ^.^

To people new to powerscalling, start with the Demon Slayer verse. The feats are not that hard to compare and understand. Things such as comparing two characters speed is quite easy

This was awesome. I did not know what power scaling was, but now I understand exactly how someone could say power scaling is a cop out.

That debate in the beginning is so aggressive for no reason 😂💀

I want to try powerscaling my characters for my story (I pride myself on being a good story architect), so this series will be pretty useful!

My issue with these arguments is that they depend on scaling rules that the authors themselves have inconsistently applied. You can't really scale a character where the author is just going to release a new issue where the scale no longer makes sense. Who wins just depends on what the author wants, usually.

You're toooo underrated

Best Explanation ever👑

What I think about when I hear powerscaling: The classic “my dad can beat your dad” but with science, math, and an ungodly amount of toxicity leaking from the cracks in its structure

Your quality is watt above your channel size.

This man spittin fact 🔥🔥🔥

I love how this works exactly like scientific field lol

Great video,definitely informative and is overall a great start for people who want to get in powerscaling

Friend sent me this video because I wanted to know how powerful a character I liked was Still not quite sure where I'd place him, but this video is great! Very informative!

Ey, hey there, Mineta's quirk is really decent and allows good speed boost and defense with staggering.

So basically what I understand from this is that you could only scale characters mainly throughout feats and statements by you have to be specific about what these "feats" or what these "statements" statements help give context to both of them and you HAVE to use inverse scaling for each other when comparing two from different verses

Nice video man. I would like you to make a video explaining about how to verify the validity statements.

U need more subs tbh

damn I've been looking for a guide on power scalling

nice i’ll be scaling myself to literally unkillable now

The funny thing is, quantifying things up to the speed of light through mass and energy. Though I would think that if you were to edge into the quantification of things that approach the speed of light, it would probably be more of a debate of the cannons ability to describe something. Then when we are comparing a characters/cannons ability to describe something, if there isn’t agreeance, then have they failed to describe light? I think though this may seem paradoxical, the ability to come to terms would exhibit a cannons ability to navigate the structure of things that are unchangeable, which would in turn be the other side of the equation of power scaling to balance itself out. Basically just using e=mc^2 because I find it fitting for most things in life if you can describe them as being three separate expressions.

Cool video and editing, keep it up :)

I’ve already made 4 iPhone notes pages on this one video. I have so much to learn my brain is begging for mercy

I know this video is kind of old and what not. I am also not a part of this subculture, although I have dabbled in the debate of fictional characters here and there for funzies. However, it would seem to me that folks might just be using the term "Power Scaling" instead of "Power Creep" since they may not be aware of this subculture in the first place. "Bad Power Creep" is a critique of the writing, since Power Creep itself is a writing term. And considering "Scaling" and "Creep" both can mean to "progress" (scaling a mountain, for example) it seems like this is a way simpler answer to why folks use that term than them explicitly harshing on your specific subculture. I've noticed a fair amount of victimization and us-vs-them-ism that I guess I don't really understand.

I'm subscribed to you now I hope you don't disappoint in the future cuz I like you're videos so far

About your point with kefla, her strength actually does make since in the context of the story. This is because dragon ball has shown numerous times that a mortal can surpass a god in power. Just because goku has god ki doesn't mean he should one shot any mortal he faces(nor has dbs tried to convey that). Plus we already know that fusion multiplies the power of two characters many times over their total output. So the fact that Kefla is made up of two characters that have showed strong abilities makes it so that she can contend with god goku.

Oh yeah. This guy gets it

Thx I’ve been trying to get into power scaling

The part where you were debating the guy was funny af

Thank you 40 year old man

I ain’t never watch the two people who debated but They ain’t gotta do my boy like that in the debate tho! 😂

I would say new comers should stick to more grounded series. DO NOT power scale hax heavy verses or verses that introduce celestial busting very early on. As another commentator said, demon slayer is good place to start. The most important advice I could give to beginners as someone who doesn't power scale anymore is that this is (and should be) purely for fun. If your seriously getting heated over this, then just stop for a bit. You have to understand that this isn't a competition to see who can wank a certain character the hardest nor how many vs. debates you can win. Most perceive this whole power scaling thing for people with too much free time anyways. Just have fun and don't wank.

3:47 I see.

That Seth vid was gnarly. 😬

I’m gonna watch this bcuz I’m abt to have a argument with a jean grey stan and I’ve never debated and they seem rly experienced I rly hope this is gonna work

I appologize ahead of time for the long comment. I'd appriciate a response if you have a second. SOLID VIDEO!!! You basically took all the fundemental ideas of power scaling that I was already aware of from reading other's debates and string it together into a cohesive video that I can use as a reference when debating others. I have a question on a debate I'm active in. I debate sword art online kirito vs yuuki frequently. SAO is very tricky to scale bc most of the feats don't have easy paralels to anything in the real world, nor could they be compared against other canonical feats. Add to that an issue where the characters jump to different VR games frequently and it's been explicitly stated and even demonstrated canonically that each VR game operates under fundementally different balance and physics (a good paralel would be comparing a vs where the universe is the size of a planet to a vs where the universe is the size of our universe). The issue here is that because it's a video game, their avatars scale to their respective universe resulting in a character being able to react to bullets only with foresight of where they come from to that same character reacting to light speed with no indication on timing or direction. Am I wrong to say it's therefore impossible to directly compare characters between games because no scaling methodology can be used with any semblance of accuracy? In order to solve this I came up with something called OSS scaling which I think is pretty accurate in concept but the results seem too absurd to be accurate. In 1 of the games there is a game mechanic called OSSs which allows the characters to create a custom special move if they can perform a custom series of sword swings under very specific and difficult conditions. Because of said restrictions, the maximum combo of the OSS and the amount of grinding it takes to make it in my belief could be used to measure kirito against yuuki. To be brief, kirito made a 6 hit combo OSS in 2 months while Yuuki created an 11 hit combo OSS on her first attempt, and there is reason to believe she could have done better but was simply trying to make something impressive quickly to attract attention. It's also heavily implied that OSS difficulty scales exponentially and that a single hit combo increase represents an exponential increase in difficultly. After running the numbers, that would put Yuuki thousands of times faster and more consistent than kirito even without factoring exponential difficulty. Even a modest exponential curve would put it in the tens of thousands. Her strength is backed up by character and author statements and direct fights, and this idea of her being capable of system level attacks on demand is backed up in a fight with a feat of her's parrying a sword skill by the fastest player in the game in unfavorable conditions, however that number just seems absurd to me and I have no idea how to relay it to my viewers for the video I'm making in a way that they will actually take it seriously. What do you think? Thanks for your time.

I don’t get how you would find the quantity of something to qualify it

May the 4th be with you.

is goji chronic reliable

Amazing video but I won’t tolerate the mineta slander

I'm going to binge all your videos to get better

great video!

How to argue against characters with High godly regeneration.

I’ve been trying to scale Ohio Final boss with his feats ty for this video

IM OMNIPRESENT

I watch anime for fun but debating seems fun

Great video.

the way seth shut that dude down is the same way i do it, but they arent usally as calm as this dude is all ima say

hey how much power does a character have when he can destrpy over 3 million universes in one fully powered hit that he can do many times

The name vecheeto is absolutely hilarious to me

Power scaling is kind of useless if a writer uses power fluxs. What I mean by this? Well, let's say one minute Goku is lifting 4000 tons with ease, but then the next minute he is struggling with lifting 1000 tons and can barely do it. How? You explain this as Goku being tired, but what if the battle just started and Goku was in 100% condition at the time? We also have issues with characters statements that are just plain false. Like Burter saying he is the fastest in the universe. We know this is false and many jokes have been made, but does that mean everything every character said is false? No. Does it mean everything a character said is true? No. My big problem with Toriyama is not power scaling, but continuity and he does change things to suit a story. This is why I say that core of character is best way to go at time with characters who break outlandish feats. When people argue say Saitama vs Goku, they always say things like "Goku is universal while Saitama is only planetary." While OPM is still going and so is Super, Saitama's feats are growing bigger and bigger and Goku wasn't always universal level if he even is at all. Can Saitama beat Goku? Yes. Can Goku beat Saitama? Well, Yes, but if that occurs then both character destroy the main point of them existing. Goku is meant to struggle while Saitama never struggles. Saitama is a tale of a man who is bored cause he reached the top and none can challenge him. Goku is the progression of him climbing the mountain. Now if we had a contest of "who can climb the mountain first" and Saitama is already at the top, how could Goku beat him? Yet people want to fight me on this constantly because "Saitama has barely planetary feats." Okay, but he has massive feats that not only some refuse to accept, but that doesn't mean he won't have those feats in upcoming chapters. The stories are still going and who knows where the feats will go.

Bruh that Seth vs Vacheeto was so cringe. If he wanted to prove his point on Janemba being stronger than Broly he could had just went with the easier route of saying that he was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who Goku in himself should be way stronger than Broly in his SSJ3 form at that point for Dragonball inverse standards.

old video, hopefully someone is still checking comments. how do you deal with a statement that introduces a contradiction, and you argue it is a contradiction. but, what if the other person argues it is a retcon?

u see, when im debating i always pop in some jokes here in there so that when i get debunked or some shit i can just be like: “fuck- anyways-“

Came back so I could relearn, but why you got a cuties image for this video 😭

Learning how to power scale so I can powerscale my own OCs lmfao

Underrated asf

Ok i understand a lot now

19:30 I just thought about something about your ruler example. When people say that a series has bad power scaling they are talking about the inconsistent measurements of the house itself instead of blaming the "ruler". So if a series contradicts its own scaling rules then what's wrong with pointing out the bad " measurements" of the house itself(instead of blaming the ruler)? I think that's what the term "bad power scaling" should mean or am I mistaken?

Dude, y'all have to chill out a bit. There is no right way to scale power level, because there is something called "readers interpretation". If I say that X > Y than that's true in my mind and fiction is nothing other than what's happening in my mind.

That was a stupid debate tactic tho. If you can tear the fabric of reality then u shouldn’t have to quantify it. It’s like quantify how much force it took for frieza to blow up a planet to prove he can beat Donald trump.

This is nice .

I mean if you compare two characters from different fictions, you have to have a setting if you want to get anywhere or else nothing you say matters because without those assertions you can write the story any way you want so the winner then become ambiguous.

I need some explaining cause I wanna power scale the team fortress two characters

So wait quantifying something is like saying for example he was able to shake the earth yeah but how much energy did it take for him to do that?

I guess I also got crossverse scaling down

What’s the name of a debate between Seth and Cheetos😂😂

I'm only here cause I'm tired of Goku's boyfriends calling him invincible🙄

Great video! Only I didn't understand the part about inverse scaling. A > B > C wouldnt give us any information that is valid, because C can counter A.

Nice vid.Do more videos about dc in the future please🙏

my Brain Exploded

Seth: shits on a guy who can’t come with a reason for reality warping Also Seth: I just say physical strength can beat reality wrapping without giving my reasoning No wonder I payed no attention to this nark

So where does Archie Sonic scale?

damn seth is dis you cause damn this video was fuckig great man gg

After watching this video I can officially say Batman solos Goku

Power scaling for nerds 😂

please do a saitama vs goku power scaling vid

These arent real pl of the characters. Its just so we can get a grasp on the Kefla/Goku pl's. Goku (Greatly Fatigued) Base - 100 SS1 - 5000 SS2 - 10000 SSG - 5,000,000 SSB - 25,000,000 SSB + Kaioken x20 - 500,000,000 Ultra Instinct Omen - 1,200,000,000+ Caulifla Base - 2 SS1 - 50 Kale Base - 1 SS Berserk Controlled - 50 Kefla Base - 15,000,000 SS1 - 600,000,000 SS2 - 1,200,000,000

petition to make it so that kid goku is a scaling device for OP characters that are not in dragon ball

Have you ever make videos about the Inverse scaling? The Wis Community are so confused about what is Inverse is and they don't understand of what actually inverse scale. Because they had no idea what is it they don't understand How it works and the example including DC Comics & Marvel Comics Character. Like saying Base Comics Spiderman negs TOAA Base Comics Batman negs Darkseid And they don't understand that parts and they highly disagree with it because all of their never experienced of Wha Inverse scale is and what Crossverse scale is. So if you have did the video about Inverse since I'm missing something that i did watched all your videos and i couldn't find it at all. So do you mind make an Video about the Inverse Scale?

8:25 So another example would be Applejack is faster than Rainbow Dash because she can keep pace with Pinkie Pie.

I guess I got inverse scaling down

While I'm not against the idea of powerscaling characters as it can both provide useful information to analyse a series' writing and also be fun sometimes (You have no idea how much I laughed when the calculations pointed out that Mercury from RWBY could withstand 100 times the gravitational force of the Sun without getting squashed by the force of his own legs pulling out of the way of a lightning), I do not really like the use of it for Versus debating, which is what most powerscalers tend to do with such information anyway. In fact, I don't like the idea of doing versus debates on itself. While in theory these might be fun, in reality they usually quickly devolve into statblock checks that result into one sided curbstomps. They are usually unfun to me because of that. "This character is ranked X. This other character is Y. The end". That's usually how it goes most of the time. Sometimes a bit of "outhaxing" here and there or taking into consideration just a few more stats, but that's about it. I have yet to see a "versus" debate that goes more for the side of strategy and explores how many scenarios could play out in different ways. Wouldn't be as much of a versus batle as much as a "what if" discussion, and it would be more common in war scenarios rather than 1v1s, but still...

Verse equalization is a joke. Why don’t we simply accept that the methods and power sources are different? They’re from different verses so if it requires chakra to put someone in a genjutsu why would we use verse equalization as an excuse to make spiritual pressure irrelevant and make it so people in bleach can be put in genjutsu? It’s a joke and a dumb excuse for people to force one character to win.

The death note music 😭😭

In me and my friends universe sausages is a power measurement (900 sausages)

When this is your first time debateing : 4:49