What is Russia's Baltic 'Shadow Fleet'? | DW News 

And Russia is paying for it (aka for the intermediary), given Europe is paying the same price it used to before, not more.

And the Arab countries 😅😅

​@@lepetitroquet9410Europe pay Less then before... About 25 - 33 dollars less per barrel😂

@@Rubberduck-zt8lm I mean, if you compare to 2010-2014, yes. But I was kinda averaging the price instead of picking that period of high prices (or during Covid when it was exceptionnally low). That's why I'm talking of "paying basically the same". Though you're right, Europe pays less than in 2010-14. About 25-33 dollars less per barrel, I have to aknwoledge that fact.

India refines the crude it buys cheap from Russia, It then sells it in the open market for ah profit, The only looser here is Russia 😊

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​@@palar4195 that will just open the floodgate for criminality around the world, disrupting trade and raising insurance payout.

@@uchennaabosi7651 isn't dat is the goal for safe heaven of america?

@@palar4195 but it's not to their advantage; disruption of international trade will invariable lead to massive inflation all over including the United state.

​@@uchennaabosi7651 it worked in the middle of last century, why wouldn't it work now.

Right

And both pay peanuts to Russia for its resources...

Aš far it is enought, Europe payed peanuts aš Well.

@artiefakt4402 Russia keeps profiting and Europeans pay more for their energy now. What a masterful economic chess move they've played 🤣

​@@artiefakt4402 that is what you are made to believe

​@@artiefakt4402 in your dreams 😂

Nope, not in Danish territory.. its was blown in the DK and Swedish economic zone... Denmark refused Russia to put the NS pipeline in...

Of course not as they were blown up by Russia.

@@pjhgerlach it was the Ukrainian special forces or the Americans who blow it up... Why should Russia blow up a 100 billion dollar pipe line that they played for? It will never make any sense As the Russian government loved to use the gas as a Tool against Europe ... Gas and oil is all they got😂

@@pjhgerlach If that were true, they would be screaming from the roof tops, and the investigation would be public for all to see. once again you demonstrate your western wisdom.

@@Rubberduck-zt8lm 26 September 2022 ; Location, Central Baltic Sea, near Bornholm, Denmark.

and did anyone said something about ecology damage? But in Europe they tax cows for gas emission. That's really idiotic

Yet the european union isn't paying more for its oil. So... either India is selling it at a loss, or Russia is paying for having India as an intermediary ;p. Easy to see which one it is.

the 'cheap' part is only coz transportation means. thru India mean not cheap at all

​@@lepetitroquet9410India gets ah 30 dollars per barrel discount from Russia, for crude, Which it then refines and sells onto the market, Making ah profit, Russia the only looser

That was the point of sanctions. It forces Russia to sell its oil at heavy discounts, the intermediaries get wealthy, not Russia, and the amount of globally available oil remains stable, keeping overall prices down.

@@serebii666 Yes, but that pushes India to Russia. Putin and Modi are in Astana, Khazakstan now.

Exactly. The hypocrisy is unparalleled

Russia does not want to get involved in a military confrontation with EU/NATO.

You do want to, because it's the only language Russia understands.

It is a shadow fleet, being owned by Russia is not necessary to be one. The "shadow" aspect is from them breaking WTO regulations, truning off responders and creating fraudulent manifests - hence why they are called "shadow".

Mostly Greek.

Russia is a rogue state, none of their laws are legal

Wherever US laws do not apply, business is illegal. You don't seem to understand DW very well 🙂

what exactly is this comment even referring to ? 🤔Sure Russia has its own laws, so do all the other countries. Russian tankers going through the baltic sea would have to enter danish or swedish waters- in which danish/swedish laws apply, not russian laws. Am I missing something here ??

@@user-ry7rd2po7r Yes, you missing maritime law

@@user-ry7rd2po7r Do you think anyone cares about Denmark or Sweden? especially Russia? they can think whatever

Because that was Russia's doing, comrade.

Nordstream 2 wasn't blown up, just damaged. However, it was never turned on anyway...

I cant get over how russian troll bot farm did not even learn to use English properly. Just proof that russia is falling apart.

@@LavionsOregon You yourself can't spell properly. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The irony!

Why would they want to learn English?,😂

Germany keep forgetting that their ally caused the biggest environmental terrorism in the Baltic sea. Attack on civilian infrastructure is also a crime in international law, but Germany is like, "let's not talk about Nordstream"

the Russian economy is falling apart.

@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Putin privately reports you about the state of economy in Russia? What else did he say?

BRICS will have their own Financial Mechanism to bypass the dollar very soon. Bye sanctions, bye 1000 bases around the world.

Why would they do that? The US economy is 20 times bigger than Russia's.

@@MrJonezy541 are you Jonzen? I didnt say side with Russia, I am saying countries of the world should not let the US dictate what they will do with sanctions.

Right. And then they'll point their fingers and say "Russian ships are dangerous to our environment and must be stopped immediately"

You sound like an expert at wasting brain

Cargo ships require insurance to be allowed to dock at ports, not to travel through international waters.

@@GonzoTehGreat Then what about the risk of oil spilling and environmental damage. Who takes the responsibility for such accidents?

@@basithali1196 That is the point of the insurance these ships need.

@@basithali1196 Company itself... duh... russian logic at work.

@@basithali1196 Who took responsibility for leaked gas from Nord Stream?

Yes he was buffering for a while with answer! As he should say most EU countries buying bloody oil from Russia

@@goodlightphotos Oil money not for war It's for lavish life of kremlinist ... Another Russians kind of beasts ... They fighting for a vodka and slice of bread ... No more need ...

EU is indeed buying some of this oil, but most goes to neutral ports (e.g. in Turkey, India) and from there to destinations all over the world.

Must be Zimbabwe

Russia works with Israel quite often. But you ignore this

Are they overreacting? This may be funding a war. Is that overreacting?

@@nigelgarrett7970 US congress passing the 61B$ bill is not funding the war?!!!

@@nigelgarrett7970yes it's overreacting. Your sanctions are not working but you're too bone headed to backtrack, sinking your other preferred war financiers EU and US in a recession. At least Russia is not begging anyone for money.

@@wolfswinkel8906 So if sanctions are not working then I suppose it is normal today to have 8% inflation and 16% interest rates, lots of other countries have that. As for begging, Putin has been begging from North Korea, China and Vietnam. Fortunately the last two turned him down. As for the US in recession, just ROTFLMAO!

@@wolfswinkel8906 The sanctions are working well enough. Russia keeps selling oil keeping price low enough on the international market, while making way less money from it all. Win-win for the western powers (and the rest of the world). "At least Russia is not begging anyone for money." Russia is bleeding money all over. The russian state is in deficit despite new hikes in taxes, coming after other hikes in taxes, all on top of high inflation. Their war coffins are emptying, the russian civilian economy is suffering and they haven't yet ran out of the soviet legacy stocks of weapons, an event that will make the cost of the war explode way beyond what it currently is. 10% of the enitre russian economy (allegedly, probably more) and growing fast, not counting the costs in blood.

Precisely

@@fingerprint8479 Attributed to Einstein, but not known to have been said by him...

@@GonzoTehGreat The content is what matters!

@@fingerprint8479 I agree it's a good quote, but in this case, attributing it to Einstein is an attempted appeal to authority, which is itself flawed, as he was a Physicist, not a Psychologist!

@@GonzoTehGreat That is the way I saw it. But it doesn't really matter who created it but what it means.

They're called a shadow fleet because they're unregistered to avoid sanctions. If a ship is registered then it's progress can be tracked via ports.

@@GonzoTehGreat Unregistered. In what way are they unregistered?

@@GonzoTehGreatwhy should they be registered with westerners? You westerners don’t own world . They are registered in Russia and countries like India

@@hypothebai4634 The largely anonymous tanker purchases can be tracked by the big increase in unnamed or new buyers appearing in registries. The vessels are generally 12-15 years old and would be expected to be scrapped in the next few years, said Anoop Singh, head of tanker research at Braemar. “These are buyers that we, as longstanding brokers, are not familiar with,” Singh said. “We are confident that the majority of these vessels are destined for Russia.”

Yeah, that is based on GDP calculations which give equal credit to production of weapons and production of apartments. Also, it doesn't discount for deaths of soldiers, despite even middle level countries placing the value of a human life at a million dollars. Even with other countries economy going downhill, the quality of life is still better than in Russia. What can I say, both Europe and Russia are sick, and going to go sicker. But the "healthy" Russian economy has citizens that are about as well off as the poorest members of the EU. That said, Russia has 6,000 nukes at least, which counts for something.

😂😂😂 Sure.

World Bank just said Russia is Number 1 economy in Europe and 4th in the world. Beating both Germany and Japan. So much for sanctions.😂😂😂

@@jimmytimmy3680 See my other comment.

@@richdobbs6595 🤣🤡

It's... It's different.

Looking for trouble but trying to convince the rest of the world they're the victim 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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But EU countries are the ones that are buying the oil carried by these ships

No, they didn't. And the EU organized these sanctions to do exactly this. They wanted to make Russia to make no money off of selling the oil, while keeping global supply stable. If Russia were to be cut off from the global market completely, it would just make oil prices explode, making it profitable for Russian shadow fleets. Like this Russia makes no money, India gets discounts that strengthen their economy and sell the refined products to the EU at the same market prices as before. The only loser is Russia, who's refinery industry loses out the most.

@@serebii666 The fact is that Indian refineries working with Russian oil are partially owned by Russians. For example, the second largest refinery in India belongs to Nayara Energy Corporation. And 49% of Nayara Energy shares belong to.... Rosneft😂😂😂

if they can stop those ships without causing a major escalation, they would have done it a long time ago

@@ibrahimtouman2279 They aren't worried about escalation, they just want the prestige of having sanctions while not actually having to enforce them.

They're EU sanctions, so while Denmark should enforce them, they shouldn't be expected to do so alone, which is why the EU needs a defence force.

@@GonzoTehGreat physical blockade of commercial ships belonging to any country in international waters is a "casus belli".. many wars were triggered throughout history for this particular reason!!

@@ibrahimtouman2279 I don't see what your reply has to do with my comment, as I didn't suggest blockading these ships to enforce sanctions...

Lol the EU Community is a big joke. Absolute Muppets

Russia will do the same in the Red Sea and the Strait of Gibraltar by leveraging its allies. The problem with international laws is that if you start to apply them only when they suit your needs, they lose their strength. If we foolishly follow your idea, international shipping will become, at last, the subject of maritime piracy. Every country will have to escort its vessels, and that is a no-profit scenario.

Well, denying someone the right to sail through international waters or forcing someone to take "western insurance" tends to make people "pissy"

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Freedom of navigation.

That's what average European thinks they will stop the world lol

Freedom means you can ^^. Not that you would understand the concept.

And then back to Russian oil through a third-party

Better to pay an ally than an enemy.

so why is my gas bill cheaper today than in early 2022?

Is it cheap than in 2021?

@@MrKingsleyisaiah on 3/7-2021, the price of natural gas in the EU was 36 euro/Mwh. Today's price is 32 euro Mwh.

Russia will do the same in the Red Sea and the Strait of Gibraltar by leveraging its allies. The problem with international laws is that if you start to apply them only when they suit your needs, they lose their strength. If we foolishly follow your idea, international shipping will become, at last, the subject of maritime piracy. Every country will have to escort its vessels, and that is a no-profit scenario.

Russian oil is sold at near market prices, rest assured about that

Just buy Alberta oil instead.

@@ibrahimtouman2279 That "near" is doing quite a lot of lifting there ;p.

@@jpl9148 maybe you should try yourself to convince the Indians to pay a premium for their oil purchase from Alberta, I wish you all the luck with that task

Then everyone laughs at Russia's rustbuckets and they either turn around or join the Moskva.

Russia doesn't have enough naval assets to do this. The cost of accompanying these relatively small size vessels with military escort would wipe out the profit from exports from that ship.

Better question. What if the US NAVY does instead?

They can't as they don't have enough ships.

The Danish straits are so narrow that even cannons from the 1700s could fire on passing ships from the shore.

Yeah, India will always support Russia until the Suez Canal and Danish Straits get blockaded, and it isn't economically feasible to get any significant oil from Russia to India.

@@richdobbs6595 Learn about russia-iran-india trade route - your point is a moot point that india addressed ages ago. That's why India built Iranian Bandar Abbas Port / Chabbahar Port

@@richdobbs6595 not to mention the northern sea route, which is far shorter and being developed by Russia. Your comment is a festival of ignorance.

@@namewithheldforprivacy7107At the current time India doesn't import oil from Iran, due to concerns about secondary sanctions. No reason to think that if things get serious regarding blockades that the USA wouldn't become even more serious about secondary sanctions. I mean, it is feasible that Russia could put in a ghost fleet in the Caspian.

what an intelligent comment... DW is german and the german laws protect independent news, so no, it has nothing to do with the U.S.. If you are Indian, you seemingly have no clue about the politics of your own country. The Soviet Union/Russia sold weapons to China and India- which both used to fight each other. India recently ordered Russian weapons - which didn´t get delivered since they were needed in the Ukraine - which is a problem since India and China are in an open border-conflict. In recent years India has seeking closer connections to the west since India is in need of a lot of investments (China is now far more developed than India thanks to investments from other countries) and weapons + China will always have better connections to Russia than India. If the war between China and India turns hot, where would India get support from ? With all those western sanctions on Russia, western brands got replaced- by chinese brands ;)

Nord stream was blown up in Danish waters. biggest release of methane in history, biggest environmental disaster in history. Didn't hear a thing from Danes then.

The Nordstream 2 pipeline wasn't blown up, only damaged. 🙄 Also, it was never turned on.

Except it's no accident...

The current Russian regime is catastrophic for the entire planet.

@@GonzoTehGreat On 26 September at 02:03 local time (CEST), an explosion was detected originating from Nord Stream 2; a pressure drop in one of its pipes was reported and natural gas began escaping to the surface southeast of the Danish island of Bornholm. Seventeen hours later, the same occurred to both pipes of Nord Stream 1, resulting in three separate leaks northeast of Bornholm.

Not yet in a hot war?

US navy is all over world. Just like their military bases. Russia lacks in that badly...

@@LavionsOregon US navy can do nothing to Huties in Yemen so what US navy can do to others which are much more armed with various missiles

That is what we are trying to do... Ruzzia should be isolated and all alone.

@@clausheegaardpoulsen6698 that's not possible to isolate the largest country in the world.

@@Nata-rp6pf The total landmass of the world is 510.1 million Km2 and Ruzzia is only 17.1. and it's is only the border between Europe and Ruzzia, that we need to mine and fence-in and await a normal government in Rizzia.

@@clausheegaardpoulsen6698 And yet it's the biggest country of the world. Cry about it.

😂

@@nyarkofelix7922 dude is a clown 🤣

Sanctions entire world then . Days of imperialism is over . No one would follow western imperialist orders

I'd like to see them stop oil trading between China, Russia and India. 3 of the largest naval power in the world.

@Blodhelm, Russia is not in South America...that would be Venezuela 😜

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