What is TF2's Worst Mechanic? 

HONORABLE MENTIONS BECAUSE MY EDITING SOFTWARE HATES ME: - Unboxing tiers (arbitrarily affects rarity of items) - Skin wears (cool in concept, lame when you consider facnew is usually the only good one) - Halloween ghosts (pain) - Crit pumpkins (I LOVE DYING TO CRITS I LOVE DYING TO CRITS) - Random crit snowballing (yes let's let the Soldier on a 28 killstreak one-shot you more often) - Slowdown effects (this is TF2, not Overwatch) - Explosion truncations (hard to explain, but it's what makes your explosions do no damage on stairs) - Sniper (Sniper) - Manual interp adjustment (telekinetic backstabs are for losers) - Physics differences for throwable reskins (ah yes, the $20 item that gives you a 3% upgrade) - Snowballing weapons (I don't care what you say, fighting a Sniper with 5 heads is annoying) Sorry the list wasn't in the video, I got hungry and ate it :(

I think it's worth noting that Truces were not originally added when the Halloween bosses were introduced. They were introduced in 2015 when Merasmissions were added as people complained that it took too long to do the boss contracts because people would just kill each other instead of the boss. I remember the general attitude at the time was that people were for this change but that did not last long.

If you want a hilariously bad example of Tf2s melee Hitreg, boot up a Zombie Survival map and watch as the last survivor is unreasonably immortal because the entire team of zombies can't stop punching each other on "accident" because Hitreg logic

8:00 Imagine walking into a walmart and hearing the intercom come on and just "A GARGOYLE HAS APPEARED SOMEWHERE ON THE MAP!", and 5 minutes later it just comes back on and "THE GARGOYLE... IS GONE!"

Due to popular request, i'll be adding skeletons into every future halloween map I make. Thanks for the feedback.

As an Engineer main, the thing I hate most about truces is how you're forced into two bad corners: you either wait for the truce to end to rebuild any destroyed sentry nests destroyed by the boss OR rebuild your nest and have a Demoman notice this and set up a sticky trap, causing you to restart or quickly move everything out of the way depending on how much time is left

Surprised that you didn’t mention another frustrating part of truces: your temporary teammates still collide with you, and so any attempt to cooperate just results in unintentional bodyblocking and ceaseless anger.

fun fact about melee hit registration: In MVM, the robots you faces doesn't get registered as "players", therefore, when several of those are gonna melee you..well..you end up more mashed than a potato purée in no time. this also applies..to the infamous skeletons.

CTF Capture crits are one of the few reasons why youd want to cap in the first place, in a game mode notorious for having no incentives to cap in the first place. It also makes lopsided matches end quicker. Like, if you backcap you can coordinate with your team to crit roll through a spawn camp. Or the enemy is competent and you can die with crits but atleast someone's capping. Oh and the Mannpower Dev is Dario Casali. Yes, the creator of Plutonia. You ain't gonna get past him ever. He's been trolling fps players before half of tf2's playerbase was even born.

The more advanced version of taunting your enemy is spraying after a kill. Now I know that you can do it consisti

I love the melee hit detection actually! So many times when playing soldier I land an epic multi rocket jump market garden and get that nice satisfying hit sound, but then the hit doesn't register anyways and I close tf2 and go outside. Melee hit reg has really helped me with my life goals.

"At least it's not as bad as *real life,* where killing *one* person gets you put in Dominant status for *80* years." This is why I watch your videos. I can't unthink jail time like that now, thank you.

Melee blocking teammates does have some benefit in that it prevents you from instantly dying when 3 or more people attack you with melee in a swarm. The risk of accidentally hitting a teammate is meant to force you into attacking one person at a time. A lot of fighting games work specifically because when you're in a swarm, only one opponent is allowed to attack you at a time. I guess the TF Team wanted to make the melee system work more in that way? It's a mixed bag, honestly. On one hand, you have badly designed maps and bad teammates which can make this mechanic an annoyance. On the other hand... Imagine trying to play Spy or Demoknight, only for 2 or more enemies to swing a melee weapon in your general direction, killing you instantly.

The problem with Halloween bosses is that they're just slapped haphazardly into existing modes and shut the whole game down for a while to make you fight them. I think they should be given more complex sets of abilities (especially Monoculus) and given their own mode where there's no truce and you're fighting to deal the most damage. You could even have some sort of secondary objective like dropping a Payload cart on them or capturing a control point to deal extra damage, which would compliment the primary objective of the mode rather than be an awkward side dish to it.

11:51 "Your honor, my client is not a murderer. He is simply dominant."

Great Blue, if you must know, the only reason the Dominant status exists is because SolarLight broke the mode in one of his videos, so valve nerfed him in response.

There was a time when the Halloween gift functioned like the gargoyle, where one would spawn specifically for you that nobody else could get, which was a much better system than having it be a free-for-all for who got it.

Autobalance literally leaves me with a gaping void in my soul

10:12 Incorrect. It is a snowball mechanic. Which is a surprising thing for anyone to complain about, given that TF2 has lots of them, and given that CTF is notoriously stalemate-y.

honestly, the kills-reset-spray-cooldown would make sense considering you'd only want to put down a humiliating spray either on some random wall or next to a guy you just killed

13:30 Was something supposed to be on screen here or was that just a lovely moment of Mario 2 music?

The thing that really does irritate me is how TF2 registers hitting someone from behind where in some cases, going for a backstab against someone who is clearly not facing you won’t die to a backstab while in other cases, you die to a backstab even though you’re directly facing them. Same goes with other weapons like this such as the Backburner and the Back Scatter.

9:35 Red Ones

Loose Cannon seems to be the best weapon against skeletons, it's like shattering glass with an actual cannon. It crushes them in hoards with the cannon ball, as it kinda penetrates thru and tiny skeletons are no problem with it's bigger projectile or a charged fuse. Despite being the worst grenade launcher, it's hella fun. Have fun with it on halloween.

I thought the gift system was really fun and represented the chaotic nature of TF2 perfectly. AND, if you didn't want to go through that chaos to get it, you could always just go to gift farming servers, which actually worked.

SUGGESTED CHANGES TO TRUCES: - Make the capture timer and capture progress pause instead of reverting to neutral. It feels unfair, both to a team that already owns the point and a team that had nearly captured it. - Make stickies fizzle out or have a cooldown after the truce, and potentially disable sentries for a moment too. Having 2 classes that can use the truce to set up is STUPID and unfair to other classes (even though I main engie myself).

One of the best mechanics in TF2 has gotta be engineer

I honestly think the halloween gift boxes were the reason I got into the game, I liked having to hunt down a cool cosmetic I had never had before. It was like a fun easter egg hunt every few hours

I remember the headshot immunity bonus being used in a clip to troll someone who was using a tool to make all their shots headshots. Dunno where to find that clip, but that’s how I as an outsider learned that tf2 had cosmetics with gameplay bonuses. The fact that it came from a set I didn’t learn until several years later

i still think truces are a good thing but they definitely need to lower the timer to 3 minutes like normal, and limit boss spawning to 1-2 times max per game (not sure about the specifics of when)

5:23 That scout doing the A-pose: My power is beyond your limits.

When you play demoknight and you go to a resupply closet to recharge your meter, the game randomly decides not to recharge it for some reason, forcing you to walk back to the closet right after you walk away.

I like how you used a clip of Zesty Jesus to represent the people who hate random bullet spread with a passion, even though he made a 20 minute long video that conveyed almost the exact opposite.

4:10 literally baby zombies but in tf2

You didn't talked about the fact that during a truce, engineers can still build sentries, so if the ennemy team is like 12 engies, when merasmus dies, you need to fight 12 sentries no matter what

What’s funny about the dominance feature is because the only reason it exists is because solar light was destroying in the Mann power gamemode.

Want to know something else about Melee hitreg priority? Valve fixed it... in Mvm mode. Yes, hordes of robot demoknights can all hit you at once. That means this mechanic is *very very very* much intentionally enabled in pvp... for a reason I'm sure none of us will know for our whole lives

9:33 im dying over here

melee doesnt use the hitbox, it uses the bounding box. since the bounding box is a square this also means that melee is inconsistent depending on angle

0:20 “this spaghetti bowl of a game” is perhaps the most accurate description of tf2

Worst part about truces are the engies who set up there nest right on the control point and not being able to do much about it

I actually liked the present mechanic. I would always get it first by memorising each of its spawn points off by heart and keeping the bonk on me so I could get around sentries and whatever else was in the way to get to it first. I got a lot of cosmetics, including one I still have to this day which I remember very fondly getting, the haunted hat which gave me extra cool scout voicelines. It's been tradition ever since to ALWAYS wear the haunted hat whenever it's halloween for me again.

11:51 This was such a good line

I agree with you on the truces as there are some bosses that completely neglected that mechanic and it’s hard to determine if you don’t look at the small notification in the big and fast game (also you make a great grandpa impression)

Okay, I'm just saying, I loved the Haunted Halloween Gifts. I was a new player back then and didn't know what was going on, but god dammit, the scavenger hunt for that box was fun. I do wish they would bring this back in a sense, where they use the same thing for Gargoyles to spawn specialty gifts, but increase the time so only one spawns per match per person and has a shorter window of time. This creates an interesting and twofold solution to current problems: Gargoyles are useless if you aren't doing contracts so why not create a special one that gives you a cosmetic for once you complete all your Merasmissions and beyond that, it incentives people to play the longer gamemodes beyond contracts and their own personal enjoyment. Long Halloween maps are rarely fun in my experience because all the bullshit of Halloween, so why not give people a better reason to play on them other than contracts and random queue?

7:44 there were special idle spell servers that teleported you around the spots where the gifts appeared. Me and my bros used to leave it for the night and it would drop a few spells the next morning. We still have an old alt account with 12 unused spells. F

Most of the time when I get the Dominant nerf in Mannpower I'm not even doing that well but I just happened to get too many kills in that 5 minute time period. Then of course I get a free pass to the bottom of the scoreboard for the entire game.

I've been playing TF2 for years, and this is the first year I've actually played more than one Halloween match at a time (it's hard enough for me to play non-holiday maps as it is). Thank you for explaining why Truces can be seen as bad; I was legitimately wondering why some Halloween Payload maps made defending even more difficult than it already is thanks to Monoculous spawning, sometimes at the same time as another Monoculous is already floating around blasting everyone.

Some say skeletons are the most annoying part of the Halloween maps, some say Boss truce, some say Crit pumpkins, but I think the GHOST, the godforsaken GHOST is what makes me absolutely hate some Halloween maps. Ghost randomly spawns without proper notice, has a gigantic effect radius, triggers near instantly, and turns you into a punching bag for 5 seconds when spooked. Pretty much impossible to predict, and there's no counterplay to it. Seriously, who thought it was a fun mechanic to play with? It feels extremely fucked up when playing on pl_hellstone, the map where the CART ITSELF is a ghost. Playing RED Spy on that map is nearly impossible. It tortures your soul. I wish Valve remove that map from the Halloween map pool, tbh. Actually, making a video about Halloween maps that needs to be vaulted can be an interesting idea.

I just found your content... I thoroughly enjoy it... You're an exceptional editor and that earns the highest respect award from me possible

It’s not the truces, it’s the bosses. Disabling truces would make those maps even worse

0:53 what is quantum crouching

I gotta say truces on Eyeduct are much better than those on ghost fort since on eyeduct you only fight Monoculus once or twice a round and it doesn't take 7 minutes before a team wins.

9:20 that part got me

2:14 Zesty did not say that.

6:55 I actually loved that mechanic I used to play all day on helltower because it had only 2 spawn locations for the gift and would rotate around those 2 spots the whole game

Man those honorable mentions were the highlight of the video for me

3:49 They shove these thing on every FUCKING Payload map

5:06 Have to disagree just because Truces allow me to do the funny and invite the BLU team to RED’s spawn

I'm still pissed the skeletons/bosses still have framerate issues (You know, they move/attack you at like 10-15 FPS?). I thought Valve fixed that!

1:13 And Remember Kids Pinkie Pie Is Best Pony

I wasn't expecting to be educated much after 10 years of playing, but you got me within 15 seconds. Well done

I completely forgot about the grappling hook mode, I remember when they were working on it years ago, crazy shit

I'd like to see one about unintended mechanics, this one was surprisingly interesting.

Honestly I like truces, they make fighting the boss more of a part of the map than just a massive nuisance to run from and pray it starts harassing the enemy instead. The biggest problems with them are really just how the maps they're in (at least valve's) don't accommodate for the fast boss spawn times at ALL with the actual point cap times, and how enemies get free positioning due to the truce in most cases (which is notoriously bad whenever some greasy engi sets a level 3 up in your team's face and a demo with stickies doesn't just babysit that encampment for when truce ends)

Truces need to exist because pyro and and any weapon that does splash damage would make working together a lot harder. If bosses spawn a few minutes into the match and had a 15 min cool down it would be much better

6:06 I remember for a contracts I had to kill marasmus once and it took 30 minutes due to merasmus spawning so many times

The funny thing about the melee hitreg issue is that MvM robots specifically don't have it, so robot demoknights can clump up and still hit players just fine.

Melee being stopped on friendly hit was only added with the medieval mode update. This change was probably made to stop the team stacking into the corner in the final point and basically being unkillable.

10:22 that's exactly why it was added; pacing. Without it, CTF rounds would last even longer than they do already. Granted, most people who enjoy CTF nowadays like it specifically because of how long they take due to Meet Your Match replacing the efficiency of quickplay with a matchmaking system that causes players to spend significantly more time waiting for a new map to load, even if everyone voted for the map that's already loaded.

i actually quite like the truce mechanic. maybe it does happen way too often for its own good, but i think it can be really good if tweeked a bit. also i'm bad at the game, so the dominant thing is not something that'll bother me much.

Thnx for coving more obscure stuff (specifically relating to Mannpower and random dmg spread). I didlike that the Boston Basher's "foregiveness check" doesn't work when you're crouched\standing on top of an enemy player.

Say what you want, but at least we can have these weird mechanics instead of 10 of the same gun and generic maps

A note about item set bonuses: I think their original intention was to make subclasses more viable. Nobody used the sydney sleeper or shortstop without using the rest of the set, because they didn't work well on those classes (chip damage scout and no-headshot sniper). Buffing said weapons would mean they are too powerful when used with other specific secondaries, like crit a cola and the smg. The biggest problem was pyro's set. It already used some of the most popular and versatile weapons for pyro, but then went ahead and gave bonuses for it. You also couldn't tell if someone actually had all the weapons for it, so people donned the croc hat for sniper to make other snipers not try to headshot them. I think it was an interesting attempt at balancing even if it ultimately failed. edit: the necessary hats are also craftable with 4 ref + one of the set weapons. The criticism of the mann co store is just that - it is not necessary to get the hat (or anything) through the store. Why this isn't made clear to players is another issue entirely.

The biggest problem with truces is how it makes it's too easy for engineers to abuse. It's not too common to find one or more level three sentries outside your spawn, but when it does happen it is quite aggravating. Random crits are aggravating for obvious reasons, but the issue I have is how easy it is to fix it. Disabling random crits is a server config that would take exceedingly little effort to disable.

3:08 i though it was a smear on my screen lol

Here's some suggestions that I think could fix Ghostfort (and other boss-spawning halloween maps) if implemented together: - Bosses spawn much less frequently, often just once, sometimes two if the point is stalled. - Either stop the countdown timer and keep the point capped when a boss spawns, or uncap it and have it automatically cap to whoever owned it when the boss dies. - Reduce the objective time to match the regular map versions.

You know what's even more annoying that melee collision? Projectile collision every time you play demo and soldier you see your rockets disappear or your grenades bouncing off the target just because a team mate step on your way.

9:26 Nicely referenced player.

Mannpower dominant status is a new thing, right? I've played that mode a while ago but now I see I'm probably never coming back

Everything about the Holiday Punch. - It does not get Spies generous 270 Degree back detection - Does not work on disguised Spies - Does not work on Robots - Does not work on jumping enemies

Crits on cap in CTF is a good mechanic, it rewards the objective playstyle.

I really liked the halloween gift mechanic, I played on helltower all the time during Halloween 2013 and ended up with multiple pages of halloween hats.

You know, that bonus that make you immortal to headshots would be really useful against the bots

I’d say quick-scoping. It should at least have reverse damage falloff until you got at least a little charge. Makes Sniper weaker at close range but still lets high skill snipers have long range deleting.

Heartbroken you didn't talk about domination. Like, regular domination, where the soldier who spammed assist damage all game and then shot a crocket into a hallway and killed you by accident gets rewarded with a jingle and a flashy icon over his head.

9:11 Okay, so, in theory, this could be fixed by 1 to 2 lines of code, saying that players of the same team color as you (team1 and team2 code wise) would make that invisible line pass through that player

The fact that in the Halloween contracts, in order for your point to count on the contracker you have to wait like 1-2 seconds. If you die before it counts the point, you ain't getting it. The _other_ contracts like Jungle Inferno count your points even if you die, so why is there such a fragile window between you killing someone, and you getting the point for it??

12:20 1/1000 dove gib

The worst mechanic in TF2 is that allies eat up melee hits.

I'm shocked that auto balance isn't on here. Somehow when I'm in a party of my friends, it's always one of that gets moved to the other team. AND SOMEHOW IT ALWAYS SWAPS RIGHT BEFORE I WAS GOING TO WIN THE MATCH.

6:42 that’s not even mentioning the fact that beginners will build nests at enemy spawns

I actually liked the gift spawns for the halloween events. The sudden burst of adrenaline in having a mad dash to find it was so much fun.

The whole “User can not die for headshots” would actually make for a cool item in the secondary slot.

the sniper class.

TF2’s worst mechanic according to Great Blue: Scream Fortress

6:56 This sounds like a great idea for a MrBeast video...wait has he already done this?

"getting a kill resets the cooldown on your spray" Me: time to defrost the allfather scout pic.

12:20 DOVE

I hate skeletons because I missed the beta when it was a secret glitchy looking zombie mercenaries that would spawn all over the map making it feel l4d like. It's just not the same anymore...